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I wonder if anyone can help me with some information please? I am trying to trace my Holdsworth family back further than 1801. In more recent times this family line lived in Bradford, but originally came there from Calverley.
I know and am in touch with many of my living relatives from this family line and we have been researching the Holdsworths for about 10 years now and we really haven't got very much further in all that time.
My Gt Gt Gt Gt Grandfather was Charles Holdsworth, a farmer in Idle/Calverley (substantiated by his son's marriage certificate) and was not listed as deceased in 1842 when his son William Holdsworth married.
Charles married Mary Hornby (listed on calverley.info website) and when one of the youngest children Susannah was born on 11 Oct 1837 he is listed as a farmer in Simpson Green Idle Yorkshire. Mary died in 1838 (I have her death cert). Charles appears on the 1841 census as a farmer in Simpson Green and year of birth is listed as 1801 and with him are several children, including William and a Jonas Holdsworth who on the original census document shows up living in a second dwelling on the property. Maybe a Brother? I can't find a likely death certificate. My cousin has spent a kings randsom on most Charles Holdsworth's certs from the death listings, but none of these turned out to be even possibilities of being ours.
My Gt Gt Gt Grandfather was Charles son, William Holdsworth b.1819, who married Mary Gill in Otley Yorkshire on 25 Sep 1842. In 1841 there is a listing for a William Holdsworth and a Jonas Holdsworth in the criminal registers. Both were found guilty of housebreaking and sentenced to 9 months in jail. The date of their trial was 20 Oct 1841.
This is the only information that I can find. Does anyone know if full court transcripts are available anywhere or if there should be at least an address, next of kin, which might give me further information leading to clues about the rest of the family or at least allow me to know for sure that this is my relative, as the name Holdsworth was somewhat common in Yorkshire at that time?
Holdsworth is my maiden name and this family are the one's I know the least about - very frustrating!
Any help will be very gratefully received
Kind regards,
Jill
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Hi Jill
Wow there are alot of Holdsworths lol.
Looked through the Yorkshire BMD which is a free site if you have never looked at it before. There is a Charles Fred Holdsworth who died in 1874 but
it doesnt of course tell you how old or where in Calverley he lived.
There are lots of Calverley Holdsworths on that site.
I did find on another site a Charles Holdsworth born in 1801 in Calverley as
you have mentioned. I looked for a marriage around that time and found
a William Holdsworth marriage to Dinah Grundy on 5th October 1801? Dont
know if this is your Charles's parents. There is also a William born Calverley
3rd July 1802 to a William (Dad) so maybe this was Charles brother.
You didnt mention how old Jonas was on the census but there is a marriage of a Jonas Holdsworth in Calverley to a Hannah Walker. That took place on 9th February 1806 which could be William snr brother.
We do have a poster who comes on often called Calverley Lad so maybe if he
comes on here he will be able to help you. Try posting this on the West Yorkshire site as well as thats where all the Yorkies go.
Hope you find your family
regards
Sandymc
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Hi Jill
Have you had a look on this site
http://www.harrogatepeopleandplaces.info/
There's 3 pages of Holdsworths mostly newspaper items but including some wills and there are some early wills for Gills.
Dave
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Jill thanks for posting for your lost Charles.
Strange - Looking at Hampsthwaite records, found Charles and Mary having the kids baptised.
Occupation for Charles as lab living in Hampsthwaite.
Marriage to Mary at ?
Found a marriage of Charles Holdsworth to a Mary Mawson at Hampsthwaite.
Or is it a coincidence of a Charles marrying a Mary?
Yet Charles and Mary living in Simpson Green Idle Bradford in 1841 census.
Brian
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Hi Jill
Sorry if I have lost the plot here, but I thought we were looking for Holdsworths in Calverley/Idle area? I dont know where Hampsthwaite
nr Knaresborough came in?
I did find two more interesting Holdsworths in Calverley.
John Holdsworth Farmer married Elizabeth Gaunt on 7th November 1803
in Calverley
William Holdsworth Farmer married Martha Gaunt on 5th July 1807 both
in Calverley.
I then found John died 5th Feb 1855 aged 75 yrs
Elizabeth widow of John died 20th December 1861 aged 78
Priesthorpe late of Woodhall Hills.
If this is your John then he was born in 12th Dec 1799 his Father was James of Woodhall
As you mention Gaunts as one of your names of interest I think these must
be some of yours?
regards
Sandymc
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hi Sandymc,
I am looking at Calverley, because that was where my Charles was born, but he disappears after the 1841 census and I can't find many other around the area, after looking a the entire 1841 census a couple of times. i'm wondering if they moved into the area in the late 1700 - early 1800s.
Charles birth date was given as 1801 on the 1841 census and was probably rounded down to 40 years old, which means his actual year of birth could have been from 1797-1801. Jonas birth year in the 1841 census was 1796 and his age given as 45 years.
I would think that Charles, William or Thomas could have been Charles' Father's name. My Holdsworth line never seems to use the name John
My Gaunt family came from Pudsey in the late 1700s. My Gt Gt Grandfather Walter Gaunt was married at St Wilfred's Calverley.
Thanks for your help, it's very much appreciated.
regards,
Jill
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Thanks for this web-site address Dave. I'll have a good look at it and see what I can find - Cheers, Jill
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Just done another check Brian. Charles married Mary Hornby, which is on her daughter Susannah's birth cert. She was the only child born after the official records began.
Problem is these are so many common names. There were 3 sons, William Thomas and Charles and daughter, Mary, Ann, Maria, Harriet and Susannah. These names seem to be passed down the centuries. It could be that daughter Mary married a John Ibbotson and in the 1861 census there is a Jonas Holdsworth living with them and possibly sister Ann. The birth years all seem to add up. No trace of Charles though. I can't find Jonas in the 1851 census either.
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Jill - The only reason I included Hampsthwaite was the sequence names of the children I found!
(I like to do a global search of the family name, including the siblings names)
Brian
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I knew that there were lots of Gills in the Forest of Knaresboro area so when I saw
My Gt Gt Gt Grandfather was Charles son, William Holdsworth b.1819, who married Mary Gill in Otley
I remembered finding information about Gills on the Harrogate people site.
Whenever I hit a potential brick wall and even if I have no problems at all, I look at the bigger picture.
Dave
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Information on marriage of Charles and Mary Hornby, I don't think it came via a Calverley.info link?
Using IGI pilot, 24th July 1833 marriage of Charles Holdsworth to Mary Hornby location Otley.
Brian
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Thanks Brian, I went back to my Ancestry tree yesterday and was thinking I was going mad as I couldn't find the marriage on calverley.info again. I hadn't made any note of the marriage there either. This then must have been Charles second marriage as William was born in 1819 and Thomas in 1821, Mary 1823, Ann 1825 Maria 1831. So this means that Charles, Harriet and Susannah may well be the only children by Mary Hornby.
William and Mary had , Charles Henry (my Gt gt Grandfather) a combination of his and her fathers names, William Thomas (is this a clue to gt Grandfathers names?), Mary Jane (is this after step-mum and Mother?), Smith Gill (Mary's Mother was Hannah Smith) and Nancy Hannah.
Brian and Dave, I like the idea of looking at the bigger picture on this one. I've trawled all through Cudworth's books and can find definite links to many of my other family lines that show established links to the areas for generations back, but my Holdsworth line just seems to appear in the area in 1841. This family line wil disappear with my generation, because my Dad is the last remaining Holdsworth and he only has girls.
Cheers,
Jill
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I am in the same boat re family survival!
Me and my 2 daughters, my 2 sisters had sons.
Ah well now back to business.
So have you had a look round Otley (why choose Otley for marriage of Charles and Mary?)
http://www.wharfegen.org.uk/
Sign up here for a look at the Holdsworth and Hornby family links to you?
Brian
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Good point Brian, whay would they marry in Otley? Mary was actually born in Idle, but I can't track the Gill family further back in the area either. Henry Gill, her Father was also a Farmer. I will go back and check the marriage certificate again later this afternoon, just to be sure about Otley, as I just checked my Ancestry tree yesterday. One reason for marrying out of the area, may have been shame, as William may just have come out of jail. He was sentenced to 9month jail in Oct 1841 and they married in Sep 1842, not long after he was released. I wonder where he would have gone to jail? Do you know if any further records still exist?
Thanks for the website address, I wouldn't have discovered this on my own.
Cheers,
Jill
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For old newspaper articles I use a link via my local library, but that is down as we speak.
(For prison I would thing Armley Gaol) :o
Given the year of marriage of Mary, she could have gone to Horsforth/GuiseleyRawdon churches (Leeds areas)
or non conformist church Bradford areas (other than Calverley).
Just looked at above church records on Genuki. http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/WRY/index.html
Holdsworth named people there also.(Horsforth/Guiseley)
Brian
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Jill,
The Gills were prolific in the Fewston area which is just North of Otley. There is an on line burial web site for Fewston Parish Church ( can be found under 'Teal family history' http://www.tealfamily.co.uk/fewgen.html ).
Places of marriage were usually at the parish church where the bride was living at the time.
Armley prison started to take inmates in 1847 but York and Wakefield are likely candidates.
Dave
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Thanks for the correction Dave.
Brian
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Hi there,
I just went back over my notes and it was Susannah Holdsworth's birth/baptism that was on the Calverley.info site where I first saw Charles Holdsworth listed as Father and Mary Hornby Mother, birth cert confirms this. I checked today and found Charles and Maria's Baptism/births also listed on the site. No sign of the older children though. Yet William and the others are listed as being born in Idle/Calverley. I think that probably confirms there was a first wife. The church was in Idle (I've just forgotten which one) the same one that Mary was buried at in May 1838.
Confirming also that William and Mary Gill definitely married in Otley so the link with Charles and Mary Hornby marrying there is worth exploring although all children were born in Idle/Calverley.
Thanks for the other web-sites to explore.
Jill
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Regarding the prison sentence:
''Imprisoned 9 months Wm Holdswoth (22) and Jonas Holdsworth (47) for stealing wearing apparel in Idle the property of Thomas Clayton.''
As reported The York Herald and General Advertiser 30th October 1841
Brian
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Wow Brian, how on earth did you find that? Thanks so much. The prison sentence adds some colour to an otherwise fairly boring family tree!
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And here is me thinking it's past your bed time in Aus ::)
I found the article in 19th Century newspaper articles. (library subscription service)
Brian
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Another article:
Released from Rothwell Gaol (Debters prison)
James Holdsworth husbandman - Calverley, debt discharged 23rd October 1841
Well something to tell your grand children?
Brian
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It gets worse! I just found 2 more convictions in 1843 for a William Holdsworth b. 1819. They're hard to read, but the first looks like 2 months jail for sedition.... riot and the second conviction was 6 months jail for what looks like fraud, a few months later.
There is also a listing for deportation to Australia for a William Holdsworth same birth year in 1849, the year my William's first child was born. The sentence was for 7 years, but since the second child was born in 1851 I guess it could be another William Holdsworth.
Interestingly, my Grandfather b.1902, was called James Holdsworth.
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The worst is yet to come!
Deported to Aus for 15years.
( Samuel is the name 9th March 1840)
Crime highway robbery, with 2 others.
Brian
(Having to sign off now, my work awaits me)
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15 years! Goodness, I'm struggling with the criminal records because there is only scanty information given and William Holdsworth was a very common name. I notice that the York court session in 1841 was at Leeds and there are no addresses or next of kin details listed in the records I have.
My William couldn't have been deported because although he had the first child quite a few years into the marriage, they were born a few years apart after that and I can't see a 7 or 15 year gap.
Interestingly it's only the 1841 conviction that Ancestry brings up as a match for William and from the newspaper article Brian found, this conviction would link to a William Holdsworth from Calverley, plus Jonas appearing on the same page lends it more credence as well.
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Hi,
I just wanted to share: I have Holdsworth, Gaunt, Hartley, and many more from the Calverley area in my family tree. I got stuck at John Holdsworth born about 1823 Father John Holdsworth. John who was born abt. 1823 married Faith Kellett, Father Joseph Kellett, Mother Mary Pratt.
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Confirming the Holdsworth and Pratt family names are well known in Calverley.
Can't see your John Holdsworth at the moment, have you a location for the father John and possible location for the Kellett families.
Brian
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Hi Brian, I know you from Calverley.info
this is what I have found for my line:
William Littlewood Holdsworth [my dad] deceased
Charles Holdsworth b. 1874 and Mabel Blomfield b. 15 Jan 1879 [my grandparents]
Kellett Holdsworth b.5 Dec 1852 and Mary Littlewood b. 16 May 1851 [my g. grandparents]
John Holdsworth b. 1823 and Faith Kellett b. 29 Dec 1819[my g.g. grandparents]
Faith's parents were Joseph Kellett 1794 and Mary Pratt 1795
Mary Littlewood's parents were John Littlewood born 28 Jun 1809 and Hannah Holdsworth born 13 June 1827. I think that is correct .
All either Calverley, Eccleshill, Woodhall Hills areas.
All the best,
Lesley
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Seems strange that I can't find specific named people on the data base?
Event not taking place within the logistic area or simply left off?
Very strange if as you say they lived/married or died within the area.
Brian
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in 1881 Census
Carr Littlewood Farm, Calverley cum Farsley
William Littlewood [head] age 63 born Calverley occupation farmer of 30 acres
Kellett Houldsworth [nephew] married age 30 born Calverley occupation farm labourer
Mary Houldsworth [niece] married age 30 born Calverley
John William Houldsworth [son, nephews] age 9 born Calverley
Charles Houldsworth [son, nephews] age 7 born Calverley - my grandfather
Littlewood Houldsworth [son, nephews] age 2 born Calverley
1891 Census
Woodhall Hills
Kellett Holdsworth [spelt correctly this time] age 38 born Calverley my g.g. grandfather
Mary Holdsworth [wife] age 39
Charles Holdsworth [son] age 17 occupation wool warehouseman
Littlewood [son] age 12
Mary [dau] age 9
Francis [dau] age 6
Fred [son] age 1
1901
The family is at Mount Road Eccleshill
1911
Charles Holdsworth is Married to Mabel Blomfield and they are living North Bierley with
two daughters
In some records the Blomfield family's name has been mistranscribed as Bloomfield
I am surprised that you couldn't find them in the database. I shall go now and have a good look.
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I just went back and found the marriage for one of my cousins Alan Charles Holdsworth at St John Farsley. My other cousin David was one of the witnesses. It has been a while since I have checked the database.
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Noticed when using your information 'Houldsworth' some are called as Houldsworth whilst others are recorded as Holdsworth.
Brian
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I have been searching for a Holdsworth connection to my Huttons for many years. The 1841 census shows the family of Charles Hutton and his wife Maria Holdsworth next entry but one to my gt.gt.gt.grandmother Mary Hutton in Moorside Road Eccleshill. That means that Charles and Maria would almost certainly have been living in one of the half dozen Hutton Cottages. The property extended back all the way to Fagley Lane and included The Smiling Mule Pub.
Charles's first wife Mary Holdsworth had died in August 1838 and he then married her sister. The Holdsworth girls were daughters of William Holdsworth and Phoebe Beck who married in 1802 in Baildon.
My gt.gt.gt.grandfather William Hutton married the above Mary Hutton nee Barron in 1807 and one of the witnesses was a Hannah Holdsworth. So there has to be some close connection, but I haven't been able to find out who this Hannah Holdsworth was.
Charles and Maria and their children migrated to Melbourne in the 1850's and I am in touch with a number of their descendants.
This map of the property shows who was living there in 1841.
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Hi, my Holdsworths come from the Eccleshill, Calverley area. It is such a common name in that part of the country. Have you tried looking for Houldsworth in the Calverley website database. Sometimes mine are misspelt that way. I have two branches of Holdsworths in my tree - one is the direct line from my Father William Littlewood Holdsworth and the other is a line from John Littlewood who married Hannah Holdsworth, who was the daughter of Thomas Holdsworth.
Sometimes I find the search from my Holdsworths totally overwhelming and I have to take a very long break to clear my head.
Please feel free to contact me if you think that we might be able to share information.
Good hunting, Lesley
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Thank you Lesley. I did have another look at the Calverley records the other day but as you have found, lots of Holdsworths and hard to differentiate the different Hannah's. When was your Hannah daughter of Thomas born? I guess the one I'm searching for would have to be in twenties or thirties when a witness in 1807. Malcolm
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I have just come across some Holdsworth's in this record of Idle Upper Chapel - http://archive.org/stream/idleupperchapelb00idle/idleupperchapelb00idle_djvu.txt
I would also think a search in the land memorial books at Wakefield would be rewarding as I did with my Hutton's in the past. Some records list the names of numerous people living in Eccleshill.
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My Hannah Holdsworth was born 13 June 1827, Eccleshill, Christened 15 July 1828 St. Wilfred's Church Calverley. Her father was Thomas Holdsworth, occupation wheelwright. Hannah Holdsworth married John Littlewood 12 July 1847 St. Wilfred's, Calverley.
I have far too many Holdsworths to mention.
I have another Hannah Holdsworth born 12 November 1809, Christened 10 December 1809 St Wilfred's, Calverley - Father William Holdsworth [no other information about her].
And another Hannah Holdsworth Christened 7 April 1745 St. Wilfred's Calverley Father Robert Holdsworth [no other information about her or her Father]
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Thanks Lesley. Unfortunately none of them are a match except for my birthday -13th June !
I had the same problem with so many Hutton's in Eccleshill, Baildon, Idle, Shipley and the surrounding area. I somehow managed to split them up into their different families and that helped a lot. Regards Malcolm
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(And another Hannah Holdsworth Christened 7 April 1745 St. Wilfred's Calverley Father Robert Holdsworth [no other information about her or her Father])
Unable to trace the above record in the database!
Brian
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Thanks Brian,
Yes, I have to admit that this Hannah was an "iffy" one. The information was provided to me by another researcher and I have not been able to prove that it is correct or not. The informant told me that this Hannah Holdsworth was the same Hannah who married William Marshall 18 May 1774 Calverley. As I said before, I have kept the record and have tried over the years to prove or disprove the connection for a number of years with no success. I also believe that another individual has made the same conclusion without any proof and has added it to a tree on the familysearch website. I do not like to discard any of my hints or clues in case they can be proved at a later date.
I haven't done any further research on this particular clue for years and you have spurred me on to have another look at her.
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Here she is: source freereg
Hannah Holdsworth baptized 7 April 1745 St. Peter, Bradford Father Robert Holdsworth Junior of Eccleshill.
That is why she isn't in the Calverley records. I will have a look at the Calverley site and see if I can see Robert and Hannah in any of the Census Records there.
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I think that it must be way way past my bed time - of course they will not be in any of the census records for Calverley. They would have been dead by then.
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The informant told me that this Hannah Holdsworth was the same Hannah who married William Marshall 18 May 1774 Calverley.
This is the first connection I've seen linking either Holdsworth or Hutton to a Marshall. As already mentioned a Hannah Holdsworth was a witness to the marriage of my gt.gt.gt.grandfather William Hutton to Mary Barron in 1807. That marriage was made possible by a bond of 200 pounds guaranteed by a Sarah Marshall. I wonder now if she was the daughter of the above William and Hannah?
Years ago I searched for all the Sarah's who (if not married) might have been the Sarah Marshall who put up the bond. I see now that the last one on the list is a possible.
SARAH MARSHALL
Who was Sarah Marshall, Spinster, who guaranteed a bond of £200 for William Hutton’s marriage to Mary Barron in 1807?
List of Sarah Marshall’s born in or close to Bradford in a period that would make her anything from 27 to 75 years of age.
Baptised At Father Age in 1807
1. 8. 4.1732 Baildon Wm. 75
2. 28. 3.1742 Guiseley Thomas 65
3. 23. 2.1743 Baildon Samuel 64
4. 18. 5.1747 Mirfield James 60
6. 2. 9.1753 Otley John 54
7. 5. 4.1757 Mirfield William 50
8. 2.10.1763 Baildon John 44
9. 4. 3.1770 Birstall Joseph 37
10. 21. 4.1771 Adel Abraham 36
11. 28. 5.1772 Mirfield John 35
12. 11. 8.1773 Keighley John and Mother Anne 34
13. 10. 3.1776 Calverley Samuel 31
14. 6. 4.1777 Bradford Joseph 30
15. 4. 5.1777 Baildon Henry 30
16. 11. 1.1778 Guiseley Isaac and Mother Mary 29
17. 6. 2.1780 Bradford Robert 27
18. 13. 2.1780 Bradford William 27
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Wow. I see this thread was started in 2011 so me replying now in 2017 is a bit of a long shot, but here we go. This is SO interesting. I just started seriously tracing back my lineage as well (use ancestry.ca). This Charles Holdsworth you're speaking of, born 1801 died 1842, was my 5th-great-grandfather. His son, Charles, was my 4th-great-grandfather. So we must be related somehow!! Distant cousins at least! ;D
Like you, the Holdsworth side of my family is the side that I know the least about. Although I've been finding out so much more than I ever would've known had I not given ancestry a try. As I can see, you were searching this information out 6 years ago, so by any chance have you been successful and figured out who Charles' parents are?? I can't find anything on them either! Nothing on ancestry, no censuses, etc, list anything to do with who his parents might be. I guess this might be the end of my Holdsworth search. But at least I was able to decipher that I have strong roots in Bradford, Yorkshire. My family now lives in Ontario, Canada! :)
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Hi, I haven't checked my Holdsworths in years. I know that I don't have a Charles Holdsworth born 1801, but I do have a copy of the Census Record for 1841 Charles Holdsworth living in Idle.
These are the details: I hope that it helps.
1841 Township of Idle, Address is Simpson Green page 7 ED 35
Charles Holdsworth age 40 occupation farmer
William " (son) age 20 occupation wool comber
Thomas " (son) age 20 occupation wool comber
Mary " (dau) age 18
Ann " (dau) age 16
Maria " (dau) age 10
Charles " (son) age 6
Harriett " (dau) age 5
Susanna "(dau) age 3
Jonas Holdsworth age 45 ocupation cart driver
I am happy to do some further checking if you like, just ask.
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I found the abovementioned Susanna's birth and baptism if it helps.
Susanna Holdsworth born 11/10/1837 baptised 20/11/1837 Father Charles Holdsworth, Mother Mary address: Simpson Green, Idle - Idle Upper Chapel Independent Church.
I didn't find any baptisms for the other children but I found this burial:
Mary Holdsworth age 34 years of Idle buried 25 May 1838 Idle Holy Trinity Parish Church.
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And providing you don't shout too loud, I usually hide here most days! :)
Brian
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Can I remind people that the relationships on the 1841 census are not set in stone and those given, in good faith, by veryoldgal might or might not be correct
Dave
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Hi there,
I haven't had much time in the last few years to do any intense family research, however I do try from time to time to find any new records. My Holdsworth line has been tricky though. I have nothing concrete on Charles 1801. The way the 1841 census was written he could in fact be born as early as 1796. This is perhaps more realistic as William was born in about 1818/19 and The older son Thomas before that. My ancestor is William and according to a birth record I have his Mother was also named Mary. This was not the same Mary as your Charles' Mother, who was Mary Hornby, there's a death listed for a Mary Holdsworth in 1832 aged 35 years, who is likely, mine
Your Charles, the son of Charles 1801, seems to be involved in real estate in later records. The Holdsworth links to the Bradford area are strong and one of my internet networks told me that records of the newly formed housing cooperative in Bradford in the 1800s had many Holdsworths listed. Which may account for why so many of my family all lived in the streets around Kensington Street in Bradford.
Charles 1801 just suddenly appears in the 1841 census in Idle and then disappears before the next census without trace. I spent one rainy sunday afternoon looking through each line of the 1851 census for idle and surrounds and found no lead. I've sometimes wondered if he was maybe caught up in the same criminal activities as William and Jonas in 1841 and may have been transported or something, but I haven't been able to find anything helpful. I can't find a death listing for him that is conclusive either.
Always nice to meet a new cousin maybe we can solve this one together. I live in Australia, but go back to England often. next time I go home intend to visit Scholemoor cemetery and see what I can trace back as most of my Holdsworth line were buried there. Please keep in touch. I'm happy to give you a personal email if you like.
Regards,
Jill
Wow. I see this thread was started in 2011 so me replying now in 2017 is a bit of a long shot, but here we go. This is SO interesting. I just started seriously tracing back my lineage as well (use ancestry.ca). This Charles Holdsworth you're speaking of, born 1801 died 1842, was my 5th-great-grandfather. His son, Charles, was my 4th-great-grandfather. So we must be related somehow!! Distant cousins at least! ;D
Like you, the Holdsworth side of my family is the side that I know the least about. Although I've been finding out so much more than I ever would've known had I not given ancestry a try. As I can see, you were searching this information out 6 years ago, so by any chance have you been successful and figured out who Charles' parents are?? I can't find anything on them either! Nothing on ancestry, no censuses, etc, list anything to do with who his parents might be. I guess this might be the end of my Holdsworth search. But at least I was able to decipher that I have strong roots in Bradford, Yorkshire. My family now lives in Ontario, Canada! :)
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Great to hear from you! :)
Very interesting. Wouldn't surprise me if his fate ended up how you stated. The Holdsworths (at least down my line) seem to be a bit of a troubled bunch at times lol. I would love to email and share what both of us have been able to find. I just started searching last week really, so my findings are minimal, but I'm sure we'd still be able to help each other! I just made an account on here to reply to this thread so I really have no idea how to use the site, like how to send you a private message of my email (don't want to post it publicly) anyway, hope to hear from you soon! :)
Hi there,
I haven't had much time in the last few years to do any intense family research, however I do try from time to time to find any new records. My Holdsworth line has been tricky though. I have nothing concrete on Charles 1801. The way the 1841 census was written he could in fact be born as early as 1796. This is perhaps more realistic as William was born in about 1818/19 and The older son Thomas before that. My ancestor is William and according to a birth record I have his Mother was also named Mary. This was not the same Mary as your Charles' Mother, who was Mary Hornby, there's a death listed for a Mary Holdsworth in 1832 aged 35 years, who is likely, mine
Your Charles, the son of Charles 1801, seems to be involved in real estate in later records. The Holdsworth links to the Bradford area are strong and one of my internet networks told me that records of the newly formed housing cooperative in Bradford in the 1800s had many Holdsworths listed. Which may account for why so many of my family all lived in the streets around Kensington Street in Bradford.
Charles 1801 just suddenly appears in the 1841 census in Idle and then disappears before the next census without trace. I spent one rainy sunday afternoon looking through each line of the 1851 census for idle and surrounds and found no lead. I've sometimes wondered if he was maybe caught up in the same criminal activities as William and Jonas in 1841 and may have been transported or something, but I haven't been able to find anything helpful. I can't find a death listing for him that is conclusive either.
Always nice to meet a new cousin maybe we can solve this one together. I live in Australia, but go back to England often. next time I go home intend to visit Scholemoor cemetery and see what I can trace back as most of my Holdsworth line were buried there. Please keep in touch. I'm happy to give you a personal email if you like.
Regards,
Jill
Wow. I see this thread was started in 2011 so me replying now in 2017 is a bit of a long shot, but here we go. This is SO interesting. I just started seriously tracing back my lineage as well (use ancestry.ca). This Charles Holdsworth you're speaking of, born 1801 died 1842, was my 5th-great-grandfather. His son, Charles, was my 4th-great-grandfather. So we must be related somehow!! Distant cousins at least! ;D
Like you, the Holdsworth side of my family is the side that I know the least about. Although I've been finding out so much more than I ever would've known had I not given ancestry a try. As I can see, you were searching this information out 6 years ago, so by any chance have you been successful and figured out who Charles' parents are?? I can't find anything on them either! Nothing on ancestry, no censuses, etc, list anything to do with who his parents might be. I guess this might be the end of my Holdsworth search. But at least I was able to decipher that I have strong roots in Bradford, Yorkshire. My family now lives in Ontario, Canada! :)
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Thanks for the info!! :)
Hi, I haven't checked my Holdsworths in years. I know that I don't have a Charles Holdsworth born 1801, but I do have a copy of the Census Record for 1841 Charles Holdsworth living in Idle.
These are the details: I hope that it helps.
1841 Township of Idle, Address is Simpson Green page 7 ED 35
Charles Holdsworth age 40 occupation farmer
William " (son) age 20 occupation wool comber
Thomas " (son) age 20 occupation wool comber
Mary " (dau) age 18
Ann " (dau) age 16
Maria " (dau) age 10
Charles " (son) age 6
Harriett " (dau) age 5
Susanna "(dau) age 3
Jonas Holdsworth age 45 ocupation cart driver
I am happy to do some further checking if you like, just ask.
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Hi there,
I haven't had much time in the last few years to do any intense family research, however I do try from time to time to find any new records. My Holdsworth line has been tricky though. I have nothing concrete on Charles 1801. The way the 1841 census was written he could in fact be born as early as 1796. This is perhaps more realistic as William was born in about 1818/19 and The older son Thomas before that. My ancestor is William and according to a birth record I have his Mother was also named Mary. This was not the same Mary as your Charles' Mother, who was Mary Hornby, there's a death listed for a Mary Holdsworth in 1832 aged 35 years, who is likely, mine
Your Charles, the son of Charles 1801, seems to be involved in real estate in later records. The Holdsworth links to the Bradford area are strong and one of my internet networks told me that records of the newly formed housing cooperative in Bradford in the 1800s had many Holdsworths listed. Which may account for why so many of my family all lived in the streets around Kensington Street in Bradford.
Charles 1801 just suddenly appears in the 1841 census in Idle and then disappears before the next census without trace. I spent one rainy sunday afternoon looking through each line of the 1851 census for idle and surrounds and found no lead. I've sometimes wondered if he was maybe caught up in the same criminal activities as William and Jonas in 1841 and may have been transported or something, but I haven't been able to find anything helpful. I can't find a death listing for him that is conclusive either.
Always nice to meet a new cousin maybe we can solve this one together. I live in Australia, but go back to England often. next time I go home intend to visit Scholemoor cemetery and see what I can trace back as most of my Holdsworth line were buried there. Please keep in touch. I'm happy to give you a personal email if you like.
Regards,
Jill
I made a note of these many years ago and I did wonder then if William married twice - a Mary and then Phoebe Beck.
William Holdsworth
mentioned in the record of William Holdsworth and Phebe Beck
Name: William Holdsworth
Spouse's Name: Phebe Beck
Event Date: 27 Dec 1802
Event Place: Baildon,York,England
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: M01190-1 , System Origin: England-ODM , GS Film number: 98531
Name: Maria Holdsworth
Gender: Female
Christening Date: 23 Apr 1817
Christening Place: BRADFORD,YORK,ENGLAND
Father's Name: William Holdsworth
Mother's Name: Phebe
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C10765-1 , System Origin: England-ODM , GS Film number: 0990533-0990535
Name: Tabitha Holdsworth
Gender: Female
Christening Date: 25 Jan 1798
Christening Place: KIPPING INDEPENDENT-NC,THORNTON BY BRADFORD,YORK,ENGLAND
Birth Date: 09 Oct 1797
Father's Name: William Holdsworth
Mother's Name: Mary
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: P00914-1 , System Origin: England-ODM , GS Film number: 942.74 B1 B4B V. 4
So not the same William Holdsworth who married Phoebe unless he was a widow by 1802 and Mary had died.
Charles Hutton married Mary Holdsworth daughter of William and Phoebe and when Mary died Charles Hutton then married her sister Maria of whom we have a photo inherited by Hilary Johnson of Melbourne who traced the Holdworths back to William and Phoebe. Charles and Maria and family migrated to Melbourne circa 1870's and there are quite a few descendants of the daughters now living here. Before they migrated Charles and Maria lived in one of the Hutton cottages belonging to my Hutton ancestors in Moorside Road, Eccleshill.
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I found the abovementioned Susanna's birth and baptism if it helps.
Susanna Holdsworth born 11/10/1837 baptised 20/11/1837 Father Charles Holdsworth, Mother Mary address: Simpson Green, Idle - Idle Upper Chapel Independent Church.
I didn't find any baptisms for the other children but I found this burial:
Mary Holdsworth age 34 years of Idle buried 25 May 1838 Idle Holy Trinity Parish Church.
Yes sadly Mary passed away when Susannah was about 1 year old. I also have a death certificate for Susannah who sadly died aged 20 years.
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Hi there,
I haven't had much time in the last few years to do any intense family research, however I do try from time to time to find any new records. My Holdsworth line has been tricky though. I have nothing concrete on Charles 1801. The way the 1841 census was written he could in fact be born as early as 1796. This is perhaps more realistic as William was born in about 1818/19 and The older son Thomas before that. My ancestor is William and according to a birth record I have his Mother was also named Mary. This was not the same Mary as your Charles' Mother, who was Mary Hornby, there's a death listed for a Mary Holdsworth in 1832 aged 35 years, who is likely, mine
Your Charles, the son of Charles 1801, seems to be involved in real estate in later records. The Holdsworth links to the Bradford area are strong and one of my internet networks told me that records of the newly formed housing cooperative in Bradford in the 1800s had many Holdsworths listed. Which may account for why so many of my family all lived in the streets around Kensington Street in Bradford.
Charles 1801 just suddenly appears in the 1841 census in Idle and then disappears before the next census without trace. I spent one rainy sunday afternoon looking through each line of the 1851 census for idle and surrounds and found no lead. I've sometimes wondered if he was maybe caught up in the same criminal activities as William and Jonas in 1841 and may have been transported or something, but I haven't been able to find anything helpful. I can't find a death listing for him that is conclusive either.
Always nice to meet a new cousin maybe we can solve this one together. I live in Australia, but go back to England often. next time I go home intend to visit Scholemoor cemetery and see what I can trace back as most of my Holdsworth line were buried there. Please keep in touch. I'm happy to give you a personal email if you like.
Regards,
Jill
I made a note of these many years ago and I did wonder then if William married twice - a Mary and then Phoebe Beck.
William Holdsworth
mentioned in the record of William Holdsworth and Phebe Beck
Name: William Holdsworth
Spouse's Name: Phebe Beck
Event Date: 27 Dec 1802
Event Place: Baildon,York,England
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: M01190-1 , System Origin: England-ODM , GS Film number: 98531
Name: Maria Holdsworth
Gender: Female
Christening Date: 23 Apr 1817
Christening Place: BRADFORD,YORK,ENGLAND
Father's Name: William Holdsworth
Mother's Name: Phebe
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C10765-1 , System Origin: England-ODM , GS Film number: 0990533-0990535
Name: Tabitha Holdsworth
Gender: Female
Christening Date: 25 Jan 1798
Christening Place: KIPPING INDEPENDENT-NC,THORNTON BY BRADFORD,YORK,ENGLAND
Birth Date: 09 Oct 1797
Father's Name: William Holdsworth
Mother's Name: Mary
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: P00914-1 , System Origin: England-ODM , GS Film number: 942.74 B1 B4B V. 4
So not the same William Holdsworth who married Phoebe unless he was a widow by 1802 and Mary had died.
Charles Hutton married Mary Holdsworth daughter of William and Phoebe and when Mary died Charles Hutton then married her sister Maria of whom we have a photo inherited by Hilary Johnson of Melbourne who traced the Holdworths back to William and Phoebe. Charles and Maria and family migrated to Melbourne circa 1870's and there are quite a few descendants of the daughters now living here. Before they migrated Charles and Maria lived in one of the Hutton cottages belonging to my Hutton ancestors in Moorside Road, Eccleshill.
Thanks for posting this amazing photo! I love it.
I don't think that any of these are my William. I have all the certificates for my line and Mary outlived the William in my family tree, by some years. I am descended from their son Charles Henry and his son Thomas Henry. The fact that William was a criminal was not known amongst my family. My Grandfather James Edward Holdsworth never mentioned it and I think it would have tickled him to know that, he would have shared it with me.