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Title: Offer: Notts Hearth Tax 1664 : 1674
Post by: Alexander. on Sunday 29 May 11 01:43 BST (UK)
I have a copy of Nottinghamshire Hearth Tax 1664 : 1674, which includes transcriptions of most of the known Notts Hearth Tax returns for those years. It covers the whole county, and most parishes are included at least to some extent.

If you have traced any ancestors back to that period, I am more than happy to lookup their name (there is a surname index). Or if you are interested in a whole parish, it would not be difficult to supply the details of a parish.

Generally most entries include the names of the householder, and the number of hearths they were charged for (or in the case of poor people, the number not charged for).

Please send me a PM if you want a lookup (or post on the Notts lookups board).
Title: Re: Notts Hearth Tax 1664 : 1674
Post by: kitching on Wednesday 03 August 11 17:30 BST (UK)
Hi

My husbands ancestors come Nottingham the name is Joynes, i have traced them back to1680s, A Richard Gines wed a Elizabeth Pratt 26th June 1688 St Peters, i believe he was a chandler Burgess, would he be on the Hearth Tax.

Val
Title: Re: Notts Hearth Tax 1664 : 1674
Post by: Redroger on Wednesday 03 August 11 17:57 BST (UK)
I have lost my wife's ancestors a little later on in the East Markham/High Marnham areas; surname Stockdale. Thanks in anticipation.
Title: Re: Notts Hearth Tax 1664 : 1674
Post by: Alexander. on Thursday 04 August 11 17:43 BST (UK)
Hi

My husbands ancestors come Nottingham the name is Joynes, i have traced them back to1680s, A Richard Gines wed a Elizabeth Pratt 26th June 1688 St Peters, i believe he was a chandler Burgess, would he be on the Hearth Tax.

Val

Hi Val,

I've searched through all the J and G surnames to no avail I'm afraid. No-one that looks like Joynes or Gines - closest name is Jones, but no Richard there. As a last resort I went through the Nottingham pages, but still nothing. Perhaps he wasn't old enough by 1674.

There are a number of Pratt's recorded, however - would you like me to send you those?

Sorry I couldn't be of more help.

Alexander
Title: Re: Notts Hearth Tax 1664 : 1674
Post by: Alexander. on Thursday 04 August 11 18:02 BST (UK)
I have lost my wife's ancestors a little later on in the East Markham/High Marnham areas; surname Stockdale. Thanks in anticipation.

Hi Redroger,

I searched through East Markham and Marnham areas, but no Stockdales. However, I did find only three in the whole county, so thought I'd post them just in case. Sadly not quite the areas you were searching...but there may be a connection.

1664
BOLE                         Hearths    Charged
Christopher Stockdall........i..............ij s

WORKSOP
Widow Stockdale.............3..............vj s

1674
ADBOLTON
Richard Stockdale............1.............Discharged by Certificate


Fingers crossed that there's something useful for you here. If you have any other names, just let me know.

Alexander
Title: Re: Notts Hearth Tax 1664 : 1674
Post by: Redroger on Friday 05 August 11 13:15 BST (UK)
The one at Bole looks promsing, not far from Markham, Worksop isn't that far either. Thanks very much. Any trace of Weselby please?
Title: Re: Notts Hearth Tax 1664 : 1674
Post by: Alexander. on Saturday 06 August 11 02:38 BST (UK)
Sorry, nothing for Weselby, though there is Wesby, Welby and Westby entries which could possibly be related, depending how the name was said.

Alexander
Title: Re: Notts Hearth Tax 1664 : 1674
Post by: Redroger on Saturday 06 August 11 19:44 BST (UK)
Thanks for that, I shall now follow up the entries from Bole and Worksop. (That's the second time I have corrected that word from Workshop!)Freudian I think.
Title: Re: Notts Hearth Tax 1664 : 1674
Post by: larkspur on Monday 12 September 11 09:30 BST (UK)
Could you please look if there are any Ancliff, Antcliff, Antliff with or without a final E in  East Markham. Many thanks in advance.
Title: Re: Notts Hearth Tax 1664 : 1674
Post by: Neohet on Monday 12 September 11 10:22 BST (UK)
Hi Alexander,

Would you mind looking to see if there are any TOMLINSON in South Leverton or Tresswell areas please?

Thanks in advance,

Matt T.
Title: Re: Notts Hearth Tax 1664 : 1674
Post by: Alexander. on Monday 12 September 11 23:12 BST (UK)
Larkspur - you're in luck, there are a couple in East Markham. I also included the other An(t)cliff(e)s as there are only a handful and they may be related. The returns are from 1664 and 1674, and it looks like Thomas and Ellis were around for both:


1664

EAST MARKHAM             Hearths           Charged
Thomas Antliffe...................i.......................ij s
Widow Antliffe.....................i.................not chargeable

STURTON CUM FENTON
Widow Ancliffe.....................i.................not chargeable

EDWINSTOWE
Ellis Ancliffe.........................2.......................iiij s

Probably SUTTON IN ASHFIELD
Luke Ancliffe........................i..................not chargeable


1674

EAST MARKHAM
Thomas Ancliffe...................1

EDWINSTOW CUM THORESBY
Ellis Ancliffe..........................3

Shireoakes, WORKSOP
Richard Antcliffe...................1

----


Matt - I'll check for Tomlinsons in just a second.

Alexander
Title: Re: Notts Hearth Tax 1664 : 1674
Post by: Alexander. on Monday 12 September 11 23:46 BST (UK)
Hi Alexander,

Would you mind looking to see if there are any TOMLINSON in South Leverton or Tresswell areas please?

Thanks in advance,

Matt T.

Matt,

I've checked South Leverton and Treswell, both the 1664 and 1674 returns, and no T(h)omlinsons are there I'm afraid. Unlike with Larkspur's Antcliffes, Tomlinson is quite a common name and there are over 50 Tomlinsons throughout the county - a few too many to type all out. If you know any other villages where they might be, I'd be happy to check those for you. Or better yet, if you know the first name of any of your Tomlinson ancestors alive at this time, that would help narrow it down considerably.

Alexander
Title: Re: Notts Hearth Tax 1664 : 1674
Post by: larkspur on Tuesday 13 September 11 10:07 BST (UK)
Alexander, many thanks for that Thomas Antcliffe is either my 8x great grandfather or my 7th  great Uncle. I have come across Ellis before but not managed to link him up to my lot.
Title: Re: Notts Hearth Tax 1664 : 1674
Post by: Neohet on Tuesday 13 September 11 10:21 BST (UK)
Thanks for that Alexander.

As a last request, would you mind checking Askham? I know they were later in Tresswell & South Leverton but possibly moved from Askham, though I don't know when, so it would help to know if there were any in Askham at this time.

Thanks again,

Matt T.
Title: Re: Notts Hearth Tax 1664 : 1674
Post by: Alexander. on Tuesday 13 September 11 18:56 BST (UK)
As a last request, would you mind checking Askham? I know they were later in Tresswell & South Leverton but possibly moved from Askham, though I don't know when, so it would help to know if there were any in Askham at this time.

Thanks again,

Matt T.

Going to have to disappoint again I'm afraid, Matt. I've checked Askham and there are no Tomlinsons there. Sorry.

Alexander
Title: Re: Notts Hearth Tax 1664 : 1674
Post by: Redroger on Tuesday 13 September 11 18:58 BST (UK)
And the name Antcliffe survives in the area to this day, or at least recently.
Title: Re: Notts Hearth Tax 1664 : 1674
Post by: larkspur on Wednesday 14 September 11 10:14 BST (UK)
It certainly does Roger, I have a brother and a nephew and a few cousins......I live in the village where my earliest ancestors (9th gt grandparents) are found in a marriage in 1608.
Title: Re: Notts Hearth Tax 1664 : 1674
Post by: Neohet on Wednesday 14 September 11 10:23 BST (UK)
Thanks for looking anyway.

Kind regards,
Matt T.
Title: Re: Notts Hearth Tax 1664 : 1674
Post by: Redroger on Wednesday 14 September 11 14:42 BST (UK)
It certainly does Roger, I have a brother and a nephew and a few cousins......I live in the village where my earliest ancestors (9th gt grandparents) are found in a marriage in 1608.

Fortunate indeed, my ancestors seem to have moved around quite a lot, perhaps they were run  out of town  or got out before the law caught up with them!
Title: Re: Notts Hearth Tax 1664 : 1674
Post by: Bulwell on Sunday 09 October 11 20:48 BST (UK)
I have an ancestor Robert Wilcockson who was married at Saint Peters church Nottingham in 1666.  I would be most obliged if you could check if he appears in any of the Notts Hearth tax returns 1664:1674
Title: Re: Notts Hearth Tax 1664 : 1674
Post by: Alexander. on Sunday 09 October 11 21:16 BST (UK)
Hi Bulwell,

I have checked both 1664 and 1674 returns and there are no Wilcocksons (or variants) recorded at all. It doesn't seem to be a Notts name.

So I checked the marriage you mention - I assume you mean Robert Wilcockson who married Grace Phepound. The marriage license states that both Robert and Grace were of Crich in the county of Derbyshire. Knowing that much of the 1670 hearth tax for Derbyshire is available online, I checked Crich parish, and there is a Rob. Wilcockson (1 hearth) recorded there - he might be the man you were searching for. In the 1664 returns there is a Robert Wilcockson who has 2 hearths, living at Crich.

You can see the entries at:
http://www.crichparish.co.uk/webpages/hearthtax1664.html
http://www.crichparish.co.uk/webpages/hearthtax1670.html

Hope this helps.

Alexander
Title: Re: Notts Hearth Tax 1664 : 1674
Post by: Bulwell on Sunday 09 October 11 21:31 BST (UK)
Thanks for the quick response.  I know of the Crich connection and have traced the two Wilcockson families there back to the 1550's.  What I am trying to confirm is where Robert lived after his marriage and before he turned up in Greasley Notts some 20 years later.  Any further suggestions most welcome
Alan
Title: Re: Notts Hearth Tax 1664 : 1674
Post by: famhistbuff on Monday 19 December 11 10:34 GMT (UK)
Hi,

Is it possible to get a list for Farndon?

thanks in advance.

Lisa :-)
Title: Re: Notts Hearth Tax 1664 : 1674
Post by: Alexander. on Sunday 01 January 12 12:39 GMT (UK)
Hi Lisa,

Sorry for my long delay in replying. I will PM you now.

Alexander
Title: Re: Notts Hearth Tax 1664 : 1674
Post by: famhistbuff on Thursday 29 March 12 05:03 BST (UK)
Hi again.

When you have a moment would you be able to do a look up for PORTER & BUCK in the Hearth Tax & Protestation Returns?

Much appreciated
Lisa :)
Title: Re: Notts Hearth Tax 1664 : 1674
Post by: Alexander. on Thursday 29 March 12 14:44 BST (UK)
Hi Lisa, there are about 20 Bucks and 50 Porters in the hearth tax returns, similar numbers in the prot returns. Is there a particular area or name you are interested in?

Alexander
Title: Re: Notts Hearth Tax 1664 : 1674
Post by: famhistbuff on Thursday 29 March 12 21:49 BST (UK)
Hi Alexander,

Sorry, common name. Any bucks or Porters in the Northeast - places like Newark, Blythe, Bingham, Ranskill, scarrington.

Thanks
Lisa :)
Title: Re: Notts Hearth Tax 1664 : 1674
Post by: Alexander. on Friday 30 March 12 15:02 BST (UK)
Hi Lisa, I'll check these tonight.

Alexander
Title: Re: Notts Hearth Tax 1664 : 1674
Post by: Alexander. on Sunday 01 April 12 17:20 BST (UK)
Hi Lisa, for some reason I already had a list of all the Bucks in Notts extracted for the Hearth tax returns, I must have been doing some research into that name a while ago. Here they are:

1664
BALDERTON     Hearths
Widow Buck......i (not chargeable)

SOUTH SCARLE
William Buckes..i (not chargeable)

EKERING [Eakring]
Jo: Bucke..........i (not chargeable)

BLITHE [Blyth]
Thomas Bucke...i (not chargeable)

CARLTON LINDRICK & CARLTON KINGSTON
Simon Bucke......i (charged ij s = 2 shillings)
Roger Bucke......i (ij s)
Repent Bucke....i (not chargeable)


1674
WOLLERTON
Thomas Buck.....1
Oliver Buck........2
Francis Bucke....1
Mary Buck..........2

WOODBOROW [Woodborough]
Richard Buck....2

Stockwell gate, MANSFEILD [Mansfield]
Ger: Buck..........1

BLYTH
Thomas Bucke...3

CARLTON in LYNDRICK & WIGSTHORPE
Widow Bucke....1 (discharged by certificate)

Stockholme, WARSOPPE [Warsop]
Francis Bucke....3

LOUND
Mr. Bucke..........3

---

As for PORTERs there are a lot more of them, all throughout the county. I checked the parishes you mentioned, and a few surrounding ones, and these were the only ones I came up with:

1664

BLITHE
Mr. Thomas Porter...4   (charged viij s = 8 shillings)

1674

BLYTH
Mr. Porter.................5

BINGHAM
Mr. Porter..................6


Hope this helps
Alexander
Title: Re: Notts Hearth Tax 1664 : 1674
Post by: famhistbuff on Sunday 01 April 12 22:00 BST (UK)
Thanks Alexander. It's definitely helping to put the pieces together. :)
Title: Re: Notts Hearth Tax 1664 : 1674
Post by: sunflower on Sunday 23 September 12 13:36 BST (UK)
Hi Alexander

When you have a minutes could you please check for -

Bamfords of Sutton in Ashfield
Slaters of Teversal

Thanks very much
Carol
Title: Re: Notts Hearth Tax 1664 : 1674
Post by: Alexander. on Sunday 23 September 12 15:57 BST (UK)
Hi Carol,

Though there weren't any Bamfords at Sutton in Ashfield, there were not many in Notts:

1664
CARLTON LINDRICK & CARLTON KINGSTON
Robert Bamford..............1 (ij s)

1674
STAPLEFORD
Francis Bamford.............3

PAPPLEWICK
Ralph Bamford...............1

CARLTON in LYNDRICK & WIGSTHORPE
James Banford..............1


I checked Teversal and the vicinity for Slaters but I'm afraid there were none. There were about 16 Slaters in the county recorded - I would be happy to type them up if you think it would be helpful.

Regards,
Alexander
Title: Re: Notts Hearth Tax 1664 : 1674
Post by: sunflower on Sunday 23 September 12 17:26 BST (UK)
Hi Alexander

Thanks very much for looking for me.

Don't worry about the Slater's.  It is such a common name I think they may have to remain on my brick wall list. 

Thanks again
Carol
Title: Re: Notts Hearth Tax 1664 : 1674
Post by: sunflower on Wednesday 26 September 12 13:22 BST (UK)
Hi Alexander

Sorry to bother you again.  Could I ask for another 3 please?  Very common names again.

Wood - Warsop
Morley - Scarrington/ Orston
Cooper - Orston


Carol
Title: Re: Notts Hearth Tax 1664 : 1674
Post by: Alexander. on Thursday 27 September 12 03:02 BST (UK)
Hi Carol,

It's no bother at all. The number of times you've helped me, it's the least I could do. ;)

1664
WARSOP
Roger Wood      1     2s
Paul Wood                Not chargeable

SOOKHOLME
Roger Woods     1     Not chargeable

1674
WARSOP - Sookholme
Roger Wood       2
Paul Wood         1      "Discharged by Certificate"

I'm afraid there were no Morleys or Coopers in Orston. :(

Cheers,
Alexander
Title: Re: Notts Hearth Tax 1664 : 1674
Post by: sunflower on Thursday 27 September 12 07:46 BST (UK)
Hi Alexander

That's brilliant, thanks very much.

Carol
Title: Re: Notts Hearth Tax 1664 : 1674
Post by: Elizcr on Thursday 04 October 12 16:42 BST (UK)
would you mind checking to see if you have any entries for the surname Radley?  My family are in the area from 1700's on.  Would be good to see if any mentioned in the Hearth Tax.  Thanks.
Title: Re: Notts Hearth Tax 1664 : 1674
Post by: Alexander. on Thursday 04 October 12 16:56 BST (UK)
Hello Elizcr :)

Surprisingly there are not many Radleys recorded. I have also included Re(a)dley in the search.

1664
NEWARK (Castlegate)
William Radley        1 hearth      not chargeable

NEWARK (Appletongate)
Nicholas Redley       1             2 shillings

EAST MARKHAM
William Radley          1             2 s

STAUNTON cum Membris
Widow Readley         1             not chargeable

1674
LOUND
William Radley          1

STOKE BARDOLPH
George Redley          2


Regards,
Alexander
Title: Re: Notts Hearth Tax 1664 : 1674
Post by: Designer Jeans on Wednesday 07 November 12 16:45 GMT (UK)
Hi Alexander

If it's not too much trouble, please can you help with the following

Holmes
Housley
Johnson
Naylor
all Arnold

Fleeman/Freeman - Eakring

Atkin
Jackson
Stanfield
all Stapleford

Also, Kitchen and Swanwick parish not sure/not known

Look forward to hearing from you

Very many thanks
Valerie
Title: Re: Notts Hearth Tax 1664 : 1674
Post by: Alexander. on Wednesday 07 November 12 17:40 GMT (UK)
Hi Valerie,

ARNOLD parish

1664 Arnold (only a small fragment of the bottom of the return has survived)
Thomas Nalor, 1 hearth, paid 2 shillings

1674 Arnold
Val: Johnson, 2 hearths
Thomas Nalor, 2 hearths, "discharged by Legall Certificate"


STAPLEFORD parish

1664 Stapleford (returns not survived)

1674 Stapleford
Mr. George Jackson, 5 hearths
Mr. Jackson, 1
Thomas Jackson, 1
Widow Jackson, 1, "discharged by Certificate"


KITCHENs

There are something like 57 Kitchens recorded in the county - a few too many to type out. If you have a few places or first names you would like me to check just let me know.


SWANWICKs

There are about 10 Swanwicks, here they are:

1664 Gonalston
Gilbert Swanwick, 1 hearth, 2s
Gilbert Swanwick, 1 hearth, not chargeable

1664 Scaftworth
William Swanack, 1 hearth, 2s
Richard Swanacke, 1 hearth, 2s
Welbeck Swanacke, 1 hearth, 2s

1664 South Leverton cum Cottam
Edward Swanacke, 1 hearth, 2s

1664 Tylne
Peter Swanecke, 5 hearths, 10s

1664 Barnby in le Moor
William Swanacke, 1 hearth, 2s

1674 Gonalston
George Swanick, 1 hearth

1674 Scaftworth
William Swannack, 1 hearth


EAKRING parish

1664/1674 Eakring
No Fleeman/Freeman

Incidentally, I have Fleeman/Freeman ancestors from Eakring. I'm descended from Gervas Fleeman who married Sarah Clarke there in 1706. It looks like the Fleemans probably came from elsewhere since they aren't on the 1664/74 hearth taxe returns for Eakring, but I haven't yet done much research on that line. Anyway, is this the same Fleeman family you are researching?

Hope some of the above matches up with your ancestors. :)

Alexander
Title: Re: Notts Hearth Tax 1664 : 1674
Post by: Designer Jeans on Thursday 08 November 12 17:44 GMT (UK)
Hi Alexander

This is wonderful, thank you so much for taking the time and trouble to help.

I think the Kitchens were in Bramcote, but have a bit of gap where they might have wandered off!

Our Fleemans are the same family (we were in touch a couple of years ago) I wonder where they were for the hearth tax?

Best wishes
Valerie
Title: Re: Notts Hearth Tax 1664 : 1674
Post by: Alexander. on Thursday 08 November 12 20:18 GMT (UK)
Hi Val,

I know who you are now, good to hear from you again. :D

There aren't any Fleemans at all on the hearth tax, though there is one Mr. Fleeminge in Nottingham and a large number called Freeman. I wonder if Gervas came

There were no Kitchens in Bramcote on the tax returns, and I quickly checked the surrounding area but didn't spot any.

Alexander





Title: Re: Notts Hearth Tax 1664 : 1674
Post by: PhilLoverseed on Monday 10 December 12 22:57 GMT (UK)
Hi

I am new to Rootschat so I hope I am doing things correctly.  I have been researching various Nottinghamshire families for the past ten years and my particular interest is in the Loverseed(s). 

Unfortunately the name has morphed over the years from Loversedge to Loverseeds with a number of variations along the way.  I believe there are entries in the Notts Hearth Tax book for Loversead Rt and Loversidge (Loverseedge, Loverseige) J and R (there may be others) and I would like to know if the book has details on these families? 

The family name is a very rare one and all living Loverseed family members can trace their ancestry to one person who lived in South Collingham in the 1600's.

Many thanks for sharing your book with other researchers.

Phil
Title: Re: Notts Hearth Tax 1664 : 1674
Post by: Burto on Monday 17 December 12 15:54 GMT (UK)
Hi,
Are there any Elliots mentioned? I'm particularly interested in any John Elliots. Many thanks.
Title: Re: Notts Hearth Tax 1664 : 1674
Post by: Alexander. on Thursday 10 January 13 16:08 GMT (UK)
Hi Phil and Burto,

Apologies for not replying sooner, I've not been on Rootschat for ages.

Phil, here is what I could find on the Loverseeds & variants.

1664
SOUTH COLLINGHAM
Robert Loverseige, 2 hearths, 4s

WALKERINGHAM
Robert Loversidge, 1 hearth, 2s


1674
CLAYWORTH
Thomas Loversaige, 1 hearth, "discharged by certificate"

SOUTH COLLINGHAM
Robert Loversead, 2 hearths

BABWORTH
John Loverseege, 1 hearth


I should add a belated "Welcome to Rootschat", Phil. :)

Burto - I'll check for Elliots in a moment, I have a feeling there will be lots of them.

Alexander
Title: Re: Notts Hearth Tax 1664 : 1674
Post by: Alexander. on Thursday 10 January 13 16:14 GMT (UK)
Hi again Phil, In case you don't have this information I've also checked the Protestation Returns from 1641/2, and there is only one Loverseed from what I can see. He was living in South Collingham, and appears on the list twice, once at the top under the list of officials as "Robert Loversedes, Churchwarden", and further in the list as "Robert Loverseidge". There is no doubt that it was one Robert and not two.

Alexander
Title: Re: Notts Hearth Tax 1664 : 1674
Post by: Alexander. on Thursday 10 January 13 16:21 GMT (UK)
Hi Burto,

There are too many Elliots to type out, but I've pulled out the John Elliots:

1664 BINGHAM
John Elyott, 2 hearths, "not chargeable"

1674 CARLTON IN LINDRICK & WIGSTHORPE
John Elliot, 1 hearth

1674 NOTTINGHAM TOWN, SAMUEL SOARESBY DISNARY
John Elliot, 2 hearths

If there is any particular place your Elliots were from I can check to see if there were any Elliots recorded there (other than John).

Alexander
Title: Re: Notts Hearth Tax 1664 : 1674
Post by: PhilLoverseed on Friday 11 January 13 06:40 GMT (UK)
Hi Alexander

Many thanks for the information.  This confirms other facts about the family and once again shows the name variations.  I have tried to pronounce the surname but still have trouble with the ending as "g" and "d" sound quite different to me.  Perhaps the accent at the time produced a sound which was a mixture of the two letters. 

Thanks also for the information contained in the Protestation Returns.  I don't have a copy of this publication but I do have copies of the Churchwarden Presentments for the years 1641 and 1642 which confirm Robert's church function.  Interestingly, Robert's mark was a capital R rather than the more normal cross, on the various documents I have sighted over the years.

Phil

Title: Re: Notts Hearth Tax 1664 : 1674
Post by: Malcolm33 on Sunday 10 March 13 00:28 GMT (UK)
Hi again Phil, In case you don't have this information I've also checked the Protestation Returns from 1641/2, and there is only one Loverseed from what I can see. He was living in South Collingham, and appears on the list twice, once at the top under the list of officials as "Robert Loversedes, Churchwarden", and further in the list as "Robert Loverseidge". There is no doubt that it was one Robert and not two.

Alexander

   Interesting.    Those officials aren't in the Index.  Thanks for pointing this out since I missed Thomas Townerow Overseer who is one of them, and somebody else has posted a request for Townrow.
Title: Re: Notts Hearth Tax 1664 : 1674
Post by: bobalong on Friday 12 July 13 19:38 BST (UK)
Hi,
I have just followed a trail that has lead to your offer of a couple of years ago. Does your offer still stand? If so please could you look up any Thurman (Thermon,Thirman, Thorman etc). If there are too many I am especially interested around Thrumpton, East Leake, West Leake, Broughton Sulney, Attenborough, Barton & Wysall.

Thanking you in anticipation.

Best regards,

            Bob
Title: Re: Notts Hearth Tax 1664 : 1674
Post by: Alexander. on Saturday 13 July 13 01:24 BST (UK)
Hi Bob and welcome to RootsChat.

I can only see 3 Thurmans (& variants). Some of the returns are very badly damaged, such as Broughton below, so there were no doubt other Thurmans for whom no record survives...

1664

BALDERTON GATE, NEWARK TOWN
John Thurman, 1 hearth (not chargeable)

Probably BROUGHTON (unclear because place name torn away)
John Thurman, 1 hearth (2 shillings)

1674

THORPE BY WYSALL
Edward Thorman, 1 hearth


Regards
Alexander
Title: Re: Notts Hearth Tax 1664 : 1674
Post by: bobalong on Saturday 13 July 13 08:11 BST (UK)
Morning, Alexander, and many thanks for this.

The missing Thurmans are probably as important as the ones mentioned as I am trying to identify family links.
Is it possible to see whether the Wysall returns are complete and therefore the Edward I have in Wysall is actually the Edward from Thorpe by Wysall, as I suspect?

Equally is it possible to see if the Barton in Fabis and Thrumpton returns are complete and therefore the Thurmans that lived there have moved on?

Much appreciated,

Bob
Title: Re: Notts Hearth Tax 1664 : 1674
Post by: larkspur on Saturday 13 July 13 14:52 BST (UK)
Bob, not sure if these burials will help at all. Wysall, Holy Trinity
22-11-1666 William Thurman abode Thorpe, notes say  son of Edward.
1680 Edward Thurman notes say date illegible
2-11-1696 Edward Thurman notes- with wife Bathsheba.
2-11-1696 Bathsheba Thurman notes wife of Edward.
One baptism same church
1-6-1655 Edward son of Edward and Bathsheba Thurman.
Title: Re: Notts Hearth Tax 1664 : 1674
Post by: bobalong on Saturday 13 July 13 23:39 BST (UK)
Thanks, Larkspur,
yes I have these but may check them at Notts Archives next time I go.
The 1666 burial is the reason I am interested in the hearth tax; were Edward & Bathsheba from Wysall or Thorpe? It may help to place the family and give background colour to how the family was spread and moved through Notts.

Regards,
           Bob
Title: Re: Notts Hearth Tax 1664 : 1674
Post by: Alexander. on Sunday 14 July 13 00:43 BST (UK)
The missing Thurmans are probably as important as the ones mentioned as I am trying to identify family links.
Is it possible to see whether the Wysall returns are complete and therefore the Edward I have in Wysall is actually the Edward from Thorpe by Wysall, as I suspect?

Equally is it possible to see if the Barton in Fabis and Thrumpton returns are complete and therefore the Thurmans that lived there have moved on?

The Wysall, Barton in Fabis, and Thrumpton returns are complete and legible for the year 1674. I checked again to make sure I did not miss any Thurmans, but Edward Thorman is the only one recorded for those villages.

For the 1664 returns, none of these three places has any surviving returns, except a small fragment which may be Thrumpton.

At that time, Thorpe-in-the-Glebe was (and remains) a very tiny place. On the 1674 hearth tax returns there were only two houses recorded for Thorpe: Edward Thorman (1 hearth) and Mr Henry Benbridge (4 hearths). From the PRs and hearth tax returns, I think you can be quite confident that there was only one adult Edward Thurman in the parish of Wysall at that time, and that he lived at Thorpe in the 1660s and 1670s.

You probably have seen this already but just in case you haven't...
An administration bond and inventory for Edward Thurman (d1698) is at the Notts Archives - should be worth a look.
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0vbp/

Alexander
Title: Re: Notts Hearth Tax 1664 : 1674
Post by: bobalong on Sunday 14 July 13 09:23 BST (UK)
Once again, many thanks.

I can add the 1666 death to his tree, as well as focus in on where he lived.

Yes, I have a pretty full transcript of Edward's bond, with a lot of help from the Notts Archives staff. He was a farmer and left a reasonable legacy to his son, John. The bond says he was from Wysall so I am assuming that he lived on the Wysall side of Thorpe, they're only a mile apart, rather than he moved before he died. John was also a farmer and lived in East Leake.

I am sorry, but one last thing. Are the returns complete for Tollerton?

Best regards,

                  Bob
Title: Re: Notts Hearth Tax 1664 : 1674
Post by: Alexander. on Monday 15 July 13 01:14 BST (UK)
Yes, the 1674 returns are complete for Tollerton, but there are no Thurmans. Nothing survives from 1664.

As for the Wysall vs Thorpe problem, on the information we have I don't think we can determine which one he lived in when he died. He may have moved back into the village of Wysall between the 1670s and 1690s.

To understand more about the land where people lived and worked, you may want to search for deeds, manorial records, etc. I don't know what is available for Wysall and Thorpe specifically but I know many documents of this type are held at the University of Nottingham. It might be worth contacting them to find out what they hold.
http://www.nottingham.ac.uk/manuscriptsandspecialcollections/researchguidance/manorial/introduction.aspx

Alexander
Title: Re: Notts Hearth Tax 1664 : 1674
Post by: bobalong on Monday 15 July 13 07:55 BST (UK)
Thanks, Alexander.

The indication from the will is he still had the farm when he died.
I have had a look at the Notts Univ. site in the past and judged that my time was better spent at Notts Archives ( it is a 4 hour round trip). Now that the manorial records are of more interest I will review that decision.

I had another look at the Notts Archives on-line catalogue, using the link you provided. I noticed that on the later records for Wysall that there are records for a farm whose location is Wysall/Thorpe. The two places are around a mile apart so if he had a reasonable holding his farm would straddle the border between the two parishes.

I am trying to reinforce a perceived link in my tree between the later family in Tollerton and Edward, as well as trying to find out where Edward came from. I am hoping that by fixing the local Thurman families in the landscape I can get a better picture. To this end just knowing that Edward of Wysall and Edward from Thorpe are the same person is a good result.
It would be interesting to know exactly where his farm was but, for the moment, I will leave it on record.

Thanks once again for your help.
I have good access to Warwickshire records so if you ever need anything from there post on this thread and I will go and look it up, though most of their records are on line.

Bob

Title: Re: Notts Hearth Tax 1664 : 1674
Post by: larkspur on Monday 15 July 13 16:14 BST (UK)
Alexander, is it  possible that you could have a look at Rampton for me and see if there are any Carr(e) or Jackson mentioned.Many thanks in advance. Mr Jackson goes by the wonderful name of Original and Mr Carre by XPFER ( Christopher)
Title: Re: Notts Hearth Tax 1664 : 1674
Post by: Alexander. on Monday 15 July 13 18:28 BST (UK)
Hello Larkspur,

1664 RAMPTON
Originall Jackson, 1 hearth (2 shillings)

1674
RAMPTON
Ger: Jackson, 2 hearths
Eliz: Jackson, 2 hearths
Orig: Jackson, 2 hearths

No Carrs I'm afraid. There is also no Christopher Carr recorded (in any parish).

Alexander
Title: Re: Notts Hearth Tax 1664 : 1674
Post by: larkspur on Monday 15 July 13 18:35 BST (UK)
Wonderful, many thanks Alexander.
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Post by: landrover110 on Saturday 02 November 13 12:26 GMT (UK)
Hi i am interested in Notts Hearth Tax records to see if there is anything entered for Haggonfields (Hagginfields) (Haggon fields) in particlar Haggonfields Farm hope you help me regards landrover110
Title: Re: Offer: Notts Hearth Tax 1664 : 1674
Post by: Alexander. on Wednesday 23 April 14 22:05 BST (UK)
Hi landrover110,

I apologise for not replying to your message sooner, I have not been on RootsChat for some time.

I cannot see anything in the Hearth Tax returns for Haggonfields specifically - I suspect people who lived there are included in the return for Worksop or Shireoaks. If there is a surname you are looking for, I could check for that, or I could send you the list for the whole of Worksop. Let me know what would be most helpful.

Regards
Alexander
Title: Re: Offer: Notts Hearth Tax 1664 : 1674
Post by: landrover110 on Monday 28 April 14 19:26 BST (UK)
Hi Alexander I have no names for that period but the Worksop and Shireoaks Hearth Tax information would be very helpful       Kind Regards  Landrover 110
Title: Re: Offer: Notts Hearth Tax 1664 : 1674
Post by: Alexander. on Friday 02 May 14 23:29 BST (UK)
Hi Landrover,

I just sent you a personal message. If you could let me know your email address (by PM) that would be great. :)

Alexander
Title: Re: Offer: Notts Hearth Tax 1664 : 1674
Post by: landrover110 on Saturday 03 May 14 08:30 BST (UK)
Hi my Email address email removed by moderator, please use the Private Message function (PM) to exchange private information
Title: Re: Offer: Notts Hearth Tax 1664 : 1674
Post by: sarah on Saturday 03 May 14 12:15 BST (UK)
Hi Landrover,

Welcome to RootsChat :)

You can send your email safely by replying to Freckneale's private message.

Regards

Sarah :)
Title: Re: Offer: Notts Hearth Tax 1664 : 1674
Post by: sstain on Saturday 03 May 14 17:13 BST (UK)
Hi Alexander

Would you please be able to look for Blacknall and Foster in the Lambley, Lowdham, Calverton and Arnold areas.
Thank you

Sheila
Title: Re: Offer: Notts Hearth Tax 1664 : 1674
Post by: Alexander. on Tuesday 06 May 14 21:15 BST (UK)
Hi Alexander

Would you please be able to look for Blacknall and Foster in the Lambley, Lowdham, Calverton and Arnold areas.
Thank you

Sheila

Hi Sheila,

Blacknalls are easy - there are none in the index for the whole county.

Lots of Fosters, unfortunately none for the specific places you mentioned. I went through the whole of Thurgarton Hundred, so these may or may not be relevant.

Regards
Alexander

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1664

EPPERSTONE
Richard Foster   1   2s
Widow Foster   1   (not chargeable)

GEDLING
William Foster   1   2s

NORTH MUSKHAM
Widow Foster   1   2s

OXTON
Peter Foster   1   (not chargeable)

1674

CAYTHORPE
John Foster   2

WOODBOROUGH
Mr. Foster           6

EPPERSTONE
Richard Foster   2
John Foster   1   (discharged by Certificate)

SOUTHWELL (Easthorpe)
Widow Foster   3

HOCKERTON
John Foster   2

UPTON
William Foster   1   (discharged by Certificate)
Title: Re: Offer: Notts Hearth Tax 1664 : 1674
Post by: sstain on Wednesday 07 May 14 08:34 BST (UK)
Thanks very much.

Sheila
Title: Re: Offer: Notts Hearth Tax 1664 : 1674
Post by: pffog on Saturday 17 May 14 11:01 BST (UK)
I'd be grateful for the details of anyone named Gough, Goffe or Goff or any clear variants you see. Many thanks in advance.
Title: Re: Offer: Notts Hearth Tax 1664 : 1674
Post by: Alexander. on Sunday 18 May 14 20:18 BST (UK)
I'd be grateful for the details of anyone named Gough, Goffe or Goff or any clear variants you see. Many thanks in advance.

Unfortunately there is nobody with those surnames (or variants) that I can see, sorry.

Alexander
Title: Re: Offer: Notts Hearth Tax 1664 : 1674
Post by: glyn24 on Wednesday 27 May 15 13:46 BST (UK)
Hi Alexander
are there any Warburtons in there, thanks
Glyn
Title: Re: Offer: Notts Hearth Tax 1664 : 1674
Post by: Alexander. on Wednesday 27 May 15 16:41 BST (UK)
Hi Glyn,

It looks like there are two Warburtons recorded in the Notts hearth tax, each recorded in both years:


1664

BOLE
John Warburton, 1 hearth (not chargeable)

SHELTON
William Warburton, 6 hearths (12s)


1674

BOLE
John Warburton, 1 hearth (discharged by certificate)

SHELTON
Mr. Warburton, 4 hearths
Title: Re: Offer: Notts Hearth Tax 1664 : 1674
Post by: glyn24 on Wednesday 27 May 15 16:51 BST (UK)
Thanks Alexander
Johns the one i'm interested in
Title: Re: Offer: Notts Hearth Tax 1664 : 1674
Post by: anniecat on Friday 16 October 15 18:49 BST (UK)
Alexander,  If the offer is still open, I should be most grateful for knowedge of the returns for Oldfield (various spellings possible).  They were bellfounders of Nottingham. Also William Noone, also bellfounder of Nottingham.

Very many thanks.
Title: Re: Offer: Notts Hearth Tax 1664 : 1674
Post by: sarah on Tuesday 26 June 18 10:12 BST (UK)
I am locking this topic as Alexander has not been online since 2015, many thanks to Alexander for his kind help on this offer.

Sarah
Title: Re: Offer: Notts Hearth Tax 1664 : 1674
Post by: sarah on Sunday 20 January 19 19:08 GMT (UK)
Welcome back Alexander, we very much appreciate your kind help with these records for the members.

Regards

Sarah :)
Title: Re: Offer: Notts Hearth Tax 1664 : 1674
Post by: Alexander. on Sunday 20 January 19 21:32 GMT (UK)
Hi Sarah, thanks for reopening this.

Anniecat – apologies for not replying to your request before now. In case you are still interested in the Noones and Oldfields here are the entries.

Alexander



Only entry for Noone is in Nottingham:

1674

NOTTINGHAM – WILLIAM FLYNDERS DISNARY
William Noone, 3 hearths



There are a number of Oldfields:

1664

LAMBLEY
John Oldfeild, 1 hearth (not chargeable)

MATTERSEY
John Oldfeild, 2 hearths (4s)

NORTH WHEATLEY
Thomas Ouldfeild, 1 hearth (not chargeable)

SCAFTWORTH
Richard Ouldfeild, 1 hearth (2s)
Richard Ouldfeild, 1 hearth (not chargeable)

SOUTH MUSKHAM
Richard Ouldfeild, 1 hearth (2s)
John Ouldfeild, 1 hearth (2s)

Probably SUTTON IN ASHFIELD (damaged page)
Henry Oldfeild, 4 hearths (8s)

1674

MATTERSEY cum THORPE
John Olffeild, 2 hearths
John Oldfeild, 1 hearth (discharged by certificate)

NORTH WHEATLEY
Thomas Oldfeild, 1 hearth
John Ouldfeild, 1 hearth (discharged by certificate)
William Ouldfeild, 1 hearth (discharged by certificate)

NOTTINGHAM – JOHN COLLINSONS DISNARY
Mr. George Oldfolde, 5 hearths

SOUTH MUSKHAM
Richard Ouldfeild, 1 hearth

SUTTON IN ASHFIELD
Mr. Oldfield, 4 hearths
Title: Re: Offer: Notts Hearth Tax 1664 : 1674
Post by: Annie65115 on Monday 21 January 19 09:29 GMT (UK)
Hello Alexander, thank you for your offer of help!

Is there any mention of any Rawson or Kenneson in Greasley?
Title: Re: Offer: Notts Hearth Tax 1664 : 1674
Post by: Alexander. on Monday 21 January 19 15:33 GMT (UK)
Hi Annie,

There are a number of Rawsons in the county but none I can see in Greasley. In 1674, there was a Mr Reason of Nottingham with 8 hearths in Watnall, and Francis Rawlin with 1 hearth in Moorgreen, Greasley parish. The returns for 1664 for Greasley were badly damaged so only a handful of names survive from that year.

No people of the name Kenneson recorded for the whole county – unless there is a spelling variation I missed?

Alexander
Title: Re: Offer: Notts Hearth Tax 1664 : 1674
Post by: Annie65115 on Monday 21 January 19 16:28 GMT (UK)
I can imagine that there would be many possible spelling variations of Kenneson. Thanks for looking.
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Post by: anniecat on Thursday 24 January 19 17:45 GMT (UK)
Alexander
Thank you so much for the Noone and Oldfield entries.  The ones I have most interest in are William Noone and George Oldfield (Oldfolde) - some others may be relatives, so will have to investigate these.  I am curious that there are no Nottingham entries for 1764, as the Oldfields were well established bellfounders in Nottingham.

Do you know what a Disnary is?
Judith
Title: Re: Offer: Notts Hearth Tax 1664 : 1674
Post by: Alexander. on Friday 25 January 19 04:34 GMT (UK)
Hi Judith,

The original returns for the city of Nottingham in 1664 are missing (so there may well have been Noones and Oldfields in Nottingham in that year).

"Disnary" seems to have been a Nottinghamshire specific word. The town was divided into about 30 disnaries, it seems each area or disnary was overseen by a constable.

Alexander
Title: Re: Offer: Notts Hearth Tax 1664 : 1674
Post by: Redroger on Friday 25 January 19 13:57 GMT (UK)
Any known or supposed connection to Norton Disney (Lincs) or indeed to Walt? I appreciate the difference in spelling, but at that time there was no standard spelling.
Title: Re: Offer: Notts Hearth Tax 1664 : 1674
Post by: Alexander. on Friday 25 January 19 15:20 GMT (UK)
Any known or supposed connection to Norton Disney (Lincs) or indeed to Walt? I appreciate the difference in spelling, but at that time there was no standard spelling.

I don't believe so. It looks like Norton Disney and the Disney family derive from the French name, d'Isney, and there is no evidence that "disnary" shares this derivation.
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Post by: Redroger on Saturday 26 January 19 20:51 GMT (UK)
Thanks
Title: Re: Offer: Notts Hearth Tax 1664 : 1674
Post by: tremal on Friday 20 December 19 09:41 GMT (UK)
Have you any record in the name of MALKIN for Blyth please?
Title: Re: Offer: Notts Hearth Tax 1664 : 1674
Post by: Alexander. on Sunday 22 December 19 05:05 GMT (UK)
Hi tremal,

There is a Richard Malkin assessed for 2 hearths (4 shillings) in 1664 in Blyth. I do not see any Malkins on the Blyth return for 1674 however I do see there is a Richard Morkin with 4 hearths - I wonder if this is the same man?

Hope this helps.

Alexander
Title: Re: Offer: Notts Hearth Tax 1664 : 1674
Post by: tremal on Wednesday 01 January 20 11:29 GMT (UK)
Hi tremal,

There is a Richard Malkin assessed for 2 hearths (4 shillings) in 1664 in Blyth. I do not see any Malkins on the Blyth return for 1674 however I do see there is a Richard Morkin with 4 hearths - I wonder if this is the same man?

Hope this helps.



Thanks very much

Tremal
Alexander
Title: Re: Offer: Notts Hearth Tax 1664 : 1674
Post by: Anne McNeill on Monday 27 July 20 07:22 BST (UK)
Many thanks for this great offer.  Would be interested if you have names Killingley or Raven in these records.

Anne, Sydney

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Title: Re: Offer: Notts Hearth Tax 1664 : 1674
Post by: Alexander. on Monday 14 September 20 18:11 BST (UK)
Many thanks for this great offer.  Would be interested if you have names Killingley or Raven in these records.

Anne, Sydney

Hi Anne, sorry for not getting back to you sooner.

There are no people of the name Killingley that I can see in the returns.

The only Ravens were in East Markham parish:

East Markham, 1664
Ralph Raven, jun., 1 hearth (2s)
Richard Raven, jun., 1 hearth (2s)
Ralph Raven, 1 hearth (not chargeable)
Thomas Raven, 1 hearth (not chargeable)

East Markham, 1674
Widow Raven, 1 hearth
Richard Rason, 1 hearth

Hope this helps.  :)

Alexander
Title: Re: Offer: Notts Hearth Tax 1664 : 1674
Post by: andrewflintham on Saturday 17 October 20 08:34 BST (UK)
Hello there, would it be possible to look up anyone with the surname Flintham or variables in Hearth Tax or Protestation returns, if you could this would be extremely helpful. Many thanks in advance.
Title: Re: Offer: Notts Hearth Tax 1664 : 1674
Post by: goldie61 on Friday 23 October 20 22:38 BST (UK)
Hi Alexander
I hope this offer is still good.

I'd be grateful if you could look up any entries for 'SHIPSIDES' and variant spellings.
Most probably Gotham, or Plumtree.

Thanks very much
Title: Re: Offer: Notts Hearth Tax 1664 : 1674
Post by: Alexander. on Sunday 01 November 20 14:59 GMT (UK)
Hello there, would it be possible to look up anyone with the surname Flintham or variables in Hearth Tax or Protestation returns, if you could this would be extremely helpful. Many thanks in advance.

Hi Andrew, sorry for the delay in getting back to you. Hope these are of some help to you!

1664 Hearth Tax

NEWARK TOWN

Kirkgate Disney
Francis Flintham, 1 hearth, not chargeable

Northgate
John Flintham, 2 hearths, 4s
Robert Flintham, 1 hearth, 2s

Milngate
Richard Flintham, 1 hearth, 2s

BESTHORPE
John Flintham, 1 hearth, 2s

WALESBY
Rog: Flintham, 1 hearth, 2s



1674 Hearth Tax

NORTH MUSKHAM
John Flintham, 1 hearth

NEWARK TOWN
North Gate
Samuel Flintham, 2 hearths

WALESBY
Alice Flintham, 1 hearth
George Flintham, 1 hearth



1641/2 Protestation Returns

WALESBY
Roger Flintham

SOUTH CLIFTON
Edward Flintham
John Flintham
Thomas Flintham

AVERHAM
John Flintham

CAUNTON
Thomas Flyntham (bachelor)
Title: Re: Offer: Notts Hearth Tax 1664 : 1674
Post by: Alexander. on Sunday 01 November 20 15:11 GMT (UK)
Hi Alexander
I hope this offer is still good.

I'd be grateful if you could look up any entries for 'SHIPSIDES' and variant spellings.
Most probably Gotham, or Plumtree.

Thanks very much

Hi Goldie,

Not spelled the same but I suspect these are related to your Shipsides. Took a bit of finding this spelling!

1664

WIDMERPOOL (only small fragment, all chargeable hearths missing)
Widow Sheepsids, 1 hearth, not chargeable

1674

EAST LEAKE
John Sheepesides, 1 hearth

GOTHAM
John Sheepesids, 1 hearth

The 1664 register for Gotham is quite damaged and only a fragment survives, so there could well have been there in 1664.

There is a John Shipman in Plumtree in 1674, but not sure if that is of any relevance.

Alexander
Title: Re: Offer: Notts Hearth Tax 1664 : 1674
Post by: goldie61 on Sunday 01 November 20 20:03 GMT (UK)
Thanks very much Alexander.
Yes, the variations of spelling make for interesting research! :)
Title: Re: Offer: Notts Hearth Tax 1664 : 1674
Post by: MichaelJD on Friday 05 March 21 21:46 GMT (UK)
Good Evening!

Could you please be so good as to look up any Hearth Tax or Protestation Returns for Job/Jobb/Jobe as they seem to have gone off the radar for Lincolnshire where I know they reside in the 1690s. Also, if at all possible, could you confirm that my other ancestors, with surname, Brockton and Neale reside in Nottinghamshire in the 1600s, as I’m somewhat unclear as to which parishes they might be in.

I would very much appreciate your help, as have been at a “brick wall” stage for ages now!

Many thanks,
Mike
Title: Re: Offer: Notts Hearth Tax 1664 : 1674
Post by: Alexander. on Sunday 07 March 21 16:55 GMT (UK)
Hi Mike,

These are the only entries in the Hearth Tax for the names Job, Brockton, and Neale.

1664

EAST STOKE
Widow Brocton, 1 hearth (not chargeable)

fragment probably MANSFIELD WOODHOUSE
Mr. Neale, 4 hearths (8s)

1674

MANSFIELD WOODHOUSE
Mr. Neale, 3 hearths
Mr. Neale, 7 hearths

WARSOP (Stockholme)
Mr. Neale, 3 hearths

BINGHAM
John Jobbe, 1 hearth (discharged by certificate)

In the Protestation Returns (1641/2) there are no entries under Job or Brockton. The only Neale is Roger Neale recorded in West Leake.

Hope this helps. :)

Alexander
Title: Re: Offer: Notts Hearth Tax 1664 : 1674
Post by: MichaelJD on Sunday 07 March 21 17:47 GMT (UK)
Yes thanks Alexander, that’s helpful information, and I very much appreciate you taking the trouble to look it up for me.

Hopefully it’ll allow me to uncover a bit more of my ancestry.

Best regards,
Mike