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Wales (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Wales => Glamorganshire => Topic started by: Dannemois on Sunday 29 May 11 11:25 BST (UK)
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I wonder do we have any members from Pontlottyn? I am looking for information on a public house namely the Bute Arms which I am led to believe was in Bute Terrace, Pontlottyn in the 1890s.
Any info would be appreciated
Regards, Roy
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Hello Roy,
I asked around about this last night and wrote down some notes. I'm assuming this is accurate.
In old Pontlottyn, there was an area called Sodom and Gomorrah. Gomorrah was Chapel Street and Bute Terrace was called Sodom. The pub in Sodom was called the Bute. Bute terrace may have been knocked down because of a TB outbreak. Both areas are now no longer there. I'm told that the street looked somewhat like one side of the main row in Butetown, just a couple of miles up the new road. There was also a place called the Rock Hotel off a fork near these places. I may have some old video\photographs of the area. I also have a lot of more recent shots of the valley including Pontlottyn, Butetown, Tirphil, Brithdir etc.
Regards
Richards74
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Hi
Thanks for the detailed account of the Bute, it is much appreciated. Anychance of seeing your recent shot of Tirphil and of Brithdir
Roy
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Hello
I remember Bute Terrace- Sodom, really well. Some of my relations lived there and I used to visit them. One thing that I remember was going to the toilet which was situated across the road and up the hill a bit. There you would have to "fight" with the sheep or the horses to get to the loo!! I know that some if not all the houses had cellars and my aunties was nearly full of water.
One of my relations for Bute Terrace used to frequent the Lord Nelson in Pontlottyn.
All my fathers side of the family came from Pontlottyn.
My mothers side came from Rhymney and I was actually born in Lady Tyler Terrace Rhymney
Cheers, Avril :) :)
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Hi Avril
My mother's maiden name was Brewer and they were Rhymney and Pontlottyn folk; ever heard of them?
Regards, Roy
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Hello Roy,
Was one of your relations from the late 1800's early 1900's a Mary Brewer?
::)
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Hello
I remember Bute Terrace- Sodom, really well. Some of my relations lived there and I used to visit them. One thing that I remember was going to the toilet which was situated across the road and up the hill a bit. There you would have to "fight" with the sheep or the horses to get to the loo!! I know that some if not all the houses had cellars and my aunties was nearly full of water.
One of my relations for Bute Terrace used to frequent the Lord Nelson in Pontlottyn.
All my fathers side of the family came from Pontlottyn.
My mothers side came from Rhymney and I was actually born in Lady Tyler Terrace Rhymney
Cheers, Avril :) :)
Hello Avril,
The Lord Nelson is still there.
:D
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Hello Roy
My cousin used to be married to a Brewer but that is all I know sorry.
thankyou all for the memories. :D :D
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Hello :)
Kelly's directory of 1895 has William Jenkins at the Bute Arms Inn in Pontlottyn.
However 1n 1891 Evan Jones is there. The address is given as 8 Bute Terrace Bute Arms {Public House}
Evan Jones Head age 51 born Rhymney Lice Victualler Inn Keeper
Catherine Jones Wife age 46 born Carmarthenshire
John Evan Jones Son age 22 Fitter in Iron Works born Rhymney
Rowena Jones Daughter age 18 Barmaid Inn born Rhymney
Catherine Morgans Servant age 83 born Rhymney
RG12 Piece 4431 Folio 30 Page 24
Kind Regards
Morgan
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Hello Richards74
Yes, Mary Brewer was my mother's aunt, she married a Perry
Regards, Roy
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Hi Morgan
Many thanks for the details and your help is much appreciated.
Regards, Roy
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I wonder do we have any members from Pontlottyn? I am looking for information on a public house namely the Bute Arms which I am led to believe was in Bute Terrace, Pontlottyn in the 1890s.
Any info would be appreciated
Regards, Roy
I wonder do we have any members from Pontlottyn? I am looking for information on a public house namely the Bute Arms which I am led to believe was in Bute Terrace, Pontlottyn in the 1890s.
Any info would be appreciated
Regards, Roy
Hi Roy
I used to live at 8 Bute terrace up until it was knocked down when we moved from there in 1957. And if you have got any photos of Bute Terrace i would like to see them Because i haven't got any and i am looking for some.
Gerald d
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Hi Avril
My mother's maiden name was Brewer and they were Rhymney and Pontlottyn folk; ever heard of them?
Hi Roy. Not sure how to navigate this site yet but I’m just replying to the above post re the Brewers from Rhymney. My grandfather and his father were Brewers from Rhymney. My great grandfather’s name was Thomas and he was one of 11 children. He had sisters named Leah, Blodwen, Mary Ann, Barbara and Sarah. Do the names ring any bells with you?
Regards, Roy
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Hi Roy. Not sure how to navigate this site yet but I’m just replying to the above post re the Brewers from Rhymney. My grandfather and his father were Brewers from Rhymney. My great grandfather’s name was Thomas and he was one of 11 children. He had sisters named Leah, Blodwen, Mary Ann, Barbara and Sarah. Do the names ring any bells with you?
Thanks,
Dai
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Hi Avril
Pleased to hear from you; all the names are familiar. My late mother Eileen Brewer was a daughter of Sylvanus and Margaret Brewer who lived at Pontlottyn and then Brithdir. I have researched the family and we share the same ancestors. Look forward to further correspondence.
Regards Roy
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Hi Roy thanks for the update. I remember my grandfather Jim talking about Uncle Syl from Brithdir. Jim and your mother would have been first cousins. I remember Barbara and Sarah well. I used to visit them in Harcourt Place, Rhymney with my grandpa ... they always spoke Welsh to other without fail. Their brother Emlyn lived a few hundred yards away too. I am still in touch with my cousin Rachel as well ... her great grandmother was Mary Ann Brewer. Also met a Mark Brewer from Tredegar a few weeks ago ... he said his family were from Brithdir. I remember his father John who used to drive our school bus years ago. I imagine that most of you are Syl’s descendants in and around Brithdir. If there is any information you think I can help with let me know. Sorry about the long post!!
Regards,
Dai (Brewer).
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Hi Dai; don't know where Avril came from, sorry about that. My mother often mentioned her cousin Jim (Councillor) Brewer when reminiscing about her childhood. She was about 10 years old when the family relocated to Brithdir. As a young child my mother often went to Pontlottyn to visit her aunty. I never knew my grandfather Sylvanus, he died before I was born. I was raised in Wellington Terrace with my grandmother and had a very happy childhood being the youngest of the household.
Roy
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Hi Roy. I hadn’t realised that they had lived in Pontlottyn initially. It sounds as if your grandfather was quite young when he died ... by today’s standards at least. I did some research with my dad into Tom and Syl’s parents a few years back. You may already be aware but Edwin Brewer was their father who married Elizabeth Williams. Her father was Edward Williams (one of your great great grandfathers). I found his gravestone a couple of years ago in the old churchyard of Rhymney Church. I’m not sure where Edwin and his wife are buried. I know the Brewers (from the second generation on) were all Welsh speaking chapel people who attended Capel Seion in Carno Street, Rhymney. I have a feeling that the earlier burials were at the Graig cemetery at Rhymney Bridge. My grandpa Jim was a keen photographer and a hoarder of family memorabilia. My dad has dozens of boxes of photographs in his attic which have not been sorted through since he died in in 1993. Doubtless there will be photographs of our ancestors including Tom, Syl and their siblings. When I get a chance to rifle through them over the summer I’ll let you know what I find.
Regards,
Dai
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I have my hands full at the moment writing an article on a Pontlottyn soldier for Gelligaer Historical Society’s WW1 Journal with the dead line drawing closer to get it ready for the publishers. In addition, for my sins, I am the society’s treasurer and I have to get a financial report ready for AGM in two weeks’ time. I have done a fair amount of research into the Brewer family and when time permits, I will get out my notes and folder and share my findings with you. I do remember making contact with Craig Brewer, Abertyswwg in 1998 and we corresponded through to about 2006 - are you related to him? I certainly would be interested in any photographs of family members especial of my grandfather Sylvanus. He died before I was born, and if you do find one I would be very grateful for a copy.
Regards for now, I will be in touch
Roy
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Deheuwr
Hi Dai; please check your messages, I've been trying to contact you to share document on Glyndwr Brewer
Roy
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Hello David (Dai)
Its been a while since we last made contact so I hope you will pick this message up. I found a head and shoulders image of Ted Brewer in his boxing days but sadly the quality is very poor and I wondered if you have had chance to check out the boxes in the attic yet? I would appreciate a photo of Ted if you have one.
Regards, Roy