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Some Special Interests => Travelling People => Topic started by: Kaybron on Tuesday 31 May 11 07:15 BST (UK)
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My father's mother was a Lambert from Croydon, Surrey. I have recently made contact with a person connected to the Lambert family. In one of her emails she mentions the family were gypsies. I have found most of the family back to 1841 and in all census apart from 1851. The family certainly did travel around a bit. They can be found in Portsea Hampshire, Sussex and also in Surrey. In 1861 they are living in a tent, with their entry the last one on the page for that particular district. Occupations given include Hawker, Flower Hawker, Chair Carver, Basket Maker, Umbrella Maker. I have done a bit of reading on Gypsies on various sites and would just like an opinion from "Rootschatters" on the likelihood of the family being Gypsies.
Regards Kaybron
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hi, kaybron, there are lamberts in the romany people, and all the trades you mention are ones that gypsy folk did. also the areas you mention have lots of travellers living and moving around them.so the likelyhood is very strong that there is a connection.as to the person saying they were gypies i am a full blood romany and can say that it is a bit like any ethnic group,times and jobs alter but but your blood cannot. ie if you were asian born in britain, you would be as british as the next man, but still asian, same thing for romany folki. cushty bok ,(good luck in romany) in tracing any gypsy roots. if there is any thing about traveller life past or present, you wish to ask, feel free. rob g
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Thanks rob g for your reply. I guess I was a bit surprised when someone who had been looking into the family for a while told me this. I never realised that there was so much information on the internet about gypsy folk and it is all very interesting to read. Up until a couple of months ago I knew very little about my father's maternal grandparents/great grandparents and it is quite exciting when putting their tree together.
Regards Kaybron
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Thanks rob g for your reply. I guess I was a bit surprised when someone who had been looking into the family for a while told me this. I never realised that there was so much information on the internet about gypsy folk and it is all very interesting to read. Up until a couple of months ago I knew very little about my father's maternal grandparents/great grandparents and it is quite exciting when putting their tree together.
Regards Kaybron
Hi there I have Lambert in my family They were smiths Most Lamberts are usually wood carvers tin smiths scrap metal folk horse dealers and breeders My Grandfather was Alfred Edward lambert There was Minnie (sissy) Lucy who married her cousin George lambert Then there was Freddie,Charlie,joseph and William (uncle bill )Danny There were more children but I think they didn't make past infancy .Alfreds father was Charles lambert and he's farther was Eddie Jesse lambert in Cheshunt there is A horse statue made from scrap metal this was made for my grt uncle bill As he loved his horses .💗
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It was a surprise to me to find that my great grandparents were travellers/gypsies and now I would like to find out more. My great grandfather was William Blake, a hawker who married Elizabeth Davis, also a hawker. Going back from there leads me to the Lambert family that you have also found, William Lambert, married to Esther Campbell.
I've reached a dead end now, did you ever get any further?
Jill
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Hi Jillt, Yes I have done quite a bit of research on the Lambert family and do have some information on the family.
When was Elizabeth born and when did she marry William Blake?
Regards Kaybron
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Thank you for your prompt reply Kaybron.
My grandfather was James Blake, mother Elizabeth Davis (b 1867, probably Brighton) James' father was William Blake, a hawker. Elizabeth's father was Job Davis (b 1842, Surrey), a hawker. Job married Elizabeth Lambert Campbell (b 1844, Brighton). Elizabeth Lambert Campbell's father was William Lambert. Her mother was Esther Campbell.
I have more if you need it!
Thanks for your interest.
Jill
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Hi jillt, As you have done some research I guess you are aware of William Lambert and Esther Campbell's children:
William (1840) Joshua (1843) Elizabeth (1844) Sophia (1845) Thomas (1848) Sampson (1852) Henry (1855) Aaron (1857) Eliza (1862)
Your connection to the William and Esther is through Elizabeth and mine is through Joshua. Joshua Lambert/Campbell was my great great grandfather and William Lambert was my ggg grandfather.
I don't know if you are aware that William and Esther separated before the 1871 census was taken and this caused a division in the family. Some of the children of William and Esther changed their names and went by Campbell and others still used Lambert as their surname.
I did discover that the family were gypsies. There was an inquest into the death of Eliza Lambert in 1862. I found a newspaper write up of the inquest and this states that the family were gypsies and were at the time were living in a caravan and in Croydon. They lived on some vacant land set aside for gypsies and paid rent for the use of the land.
Up until finding this article I was uncertain if the Lambert family were gypsies.
Regards Kaybron
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Hi jillt,
Once you have made another post we will be able to send personal messages. I can then give you my email through a personal message and you can give me yours through a personal message. We will then be able to communicate directly and exchange files without having to work through Rootschat and also any posts we make will not be seen by others.
We have to do it this way as Rootschat does not allow people to post their email addresses directly onto this site where others can see.
The personal message works through the green icon on the left side of the page just under where it states the number of posts you have made.
Regards Kaybron
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Well, well, so you are a distant relative! I will get a private message to you as soo as I figure out how to do it.
Jill
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Hi Jill,
I have just sent a personal message with my personal email. Yes, we are related. Will be interesting to exchange information. I do have some gaps in some areas and looking forward to find out further information about the Lamberts.
Regards Kaybron
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Hello! I too have traced my genealogy back to Joshua Lambert and Esther Campbell-they would have been my 3rd great grandparents. I found an 1861 Census Listing with them in tents on Cinderhill Lane in Horsted Keynes. Are these the same people you are talking about? Interested in learning more about the gypsy culture-could make a LOT of things in my family make sense!!
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I too am related to William and Esther Lambert. William would be my GGGG Grandfather. Joshua Lambert/Campbell would be my GGG Grandfather. I have done a bit of research on the family but have not been able to go and further back with William's parents as a marriage record for William and Esther has not been found. This would give us an idea of who his father was and then possibly go back another generation. Distant relatives did tell me that the Lambert family were Gypsies but I could not determine if this was true. They did live in a tent and were hawkers, basket weavers, chair caners, umbrella makers, all occupations that were associated with Gypsies. Elizabeth Lambert (a daughter of Williams) married a Job Davis and they traveled around the country in a caravan. Eventually I found an article in a newspaper that stated the family were Gypsies, which confirmed what I had been told.
Currently you have only 1 post. Once you have 3 posts we can communicate through the Private Message system and will be able to exchange our personal emails. Rootschat does not allow you to post your email on this forum but you can send personal messages and exchange emails this way.
Regards Kaybron
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Forgot to add that the family you have found in the 1861 family is the correct family that I am related to and the William and Esther that I have mentioned in the previous post.
Regards Kaybron
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Wow! How very cool! I’ll make a few more posts so that we can privately message-I only joined this yesterday specifically so I could respond to this thread. :) I am working my way back from Joshua, but have definitely traced myself down through Joshua’s son William Henry. Would love to exchange info!
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I can see that you have made more than 3 posts. Now you will be able to send a Personal Message to me and we can exchange emails. All you have to do is use the icon that looks like a page. If you hover over this it mentions Personal Message. Click on this and then you will be able to message me.
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I am a Lambert descendant in the USA. My great grandmother was Ruth Palmer Lambert before she was married (Whitby/married name). I believe our family was originally from Sutton. We married in with the Brooks, Brewer, Standley, Rainey, Bennett, and Morgan families.
I've been able to find names in my line, but not much other information. My mother told me this was one line that she knew for sure was of Romani background. I'd love to connect with other descendants. GEDMatch # is available if you'd like to compare!
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Hello cousins Kaybron and Bless, I have been in contact with both of you and yes you are related.
Your cousin KAL in Canada ;).
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I am having a hard time seeing the Romani connection however other than the gypsy lifestyle.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romanichal
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Hi everyone,
Regarding gypsy heritage. The more I read, the more I believe Esther Campbell and William Lambert and other family members to be gypsies, but NOT of Romani descent. One piece of evidence is that I am 100% of European descent as per DNA results. There are gypsy groups that are of European descent - I am trying to figure out our specific gypsy families but as you know hitting brike walls due to lack of records - another clue to gypsy heritage. As Campbell is a Scottish name, I am going to start there. Let me know if you figure anything out.
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Lambert family that I am related to
We’re Romany Gypsy
Many over the years have tried to prove or disprove. The difference is records only give a small picture as to fact inside family knowledge is everything
The lambert family were for generations
Wood Carvers Engravers Metal workers Scrap and Rag Men They also We’re Gypsy Blacksmiths . My mother still has in her possession Tools that belonged to her Great grandfather Edward Jesse Lambert . The lambert men like most Romany men also kept bought sold horses and I can remember such as a kid Watching them take the horses to wash in the river banks of the River lee .
The men were swarthy darker skinned and all had the same eyes I remember them wearing Diklas . The lambert family were known in the areas of Tottenham Edmonton Enfield Waltham
Walthamstow Epping And Areas of Kent Including Maidstone Ashford Sittingbourne and more . Many will have known them as surname smith but on paper they were Lambert .
Jesse /Rosina / Ada seem to be popular girls names with in the family. My Grandfather was born in 1912 and I met and still remember many of the older memories and the story’s I was told .
It was My family that taught me Words like Gaje And Hotchi And some of the Romany language.
West street Edmonton st Mary’s road Edmonton and Lawrence road are all places I know my family were around .
If anyone is linked or knows of this family I would love to hear from you .
I have alot to share .
Happy new year everyone
Joey
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Hi KimberlyAnnLambert
Sorry I am a bit late to the party. One website I have been to states that there are currently over 22,000 Lamberts in the UK, so not all of them will be Romani Gypsy, but I can confirm my Grandfather was a Romani Gypsy (Referred to by "kewsmith9" as "William (uncle bill)"), and could speak Romani) He grew up in the old wooden horse drawn caravans and could build one. My uncle Danny (also referred to by "kewsmith9"), once told me a story of how a friend of my Grandfathers came to him with a problem. A group of gypsies had set up camp on his land, refused to leave, and were trashing the place, and he asked if my grandad could do anything. Grandad walked into the camp, where he received a hostile reception, until he responded in Romani. They had a very long chat, and he enjoyed there hospitality. They promised to leave in the morning and to clear up after themselves, and they kept their word.
There is also a group of Romani Gypsy Lamberts still roaming around (as of 2000 at least). In that year, I made a friend online who claimed her own Romani decent, but could only speak a few words. She informed me that she had been to their camp on a few occasions. Later, when we exchanged pictures for some website project we were working on, she told me she would have known I was a Lambert from the picture, and that I could walk into the camp myself and be instantly recognised from my facial features. Of course, I only have her word for it.
Also, "joeyboy7" also made reference to my family. Between "kewsmith9" and "joeyboy7", I have been reminded of a lot of names I have not heard of since I was a young boy, so if you are still about, thank you.
Kind Regards
Danny Lambert
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Hi Danny I can’t believe I missed this you can message me and I will email you. Regards lambert.
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Danny needs 2 more posts before pm system is activated :)
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Hi Danny I can’t believe I missed this you can message me and I will email you. Regards lambert.
its so nice to be able to connect im so sorry our families are drifted , i used to go see bubbles (ivy ) in sittingbourne until before she passed away .im in touch with aunt minnie (cissy) son and have got some nice photos including some of bill and alfs mother . I have some photos of uncle bill ,freddie ,charlie the older one ,joey and ciss and aunt lucy . you know in typical romany style aunt lucy married there cousin george boy . most of the olders have passed on sadly . i would love to talk at some point . uncle bill had a son called joseph with my gran (rene ) sister louisa i spent many hors talking to him when we was stopped up in swindon .
im glad i could jog your memory . i have been researching uncle bills mothers family for some time it seems as if they had trouble with her burial as they couldnt find a birth record she was said to be connected to the lee and cooper families and smiths i believe would be good to talk . kushti bok cuz xx