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Research in Other Countries => United States of America => Topic started by: Jokdy on Saturday 04 June 11 09:38 BST (UK)
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Trying to find the death of Mabel Bussman nee Bell.
She was born abt 1895 in Pennsylvania, parents were John Baird Bell and Jane/Jennie Fowler, both born in Scotland.
Mabel married John Henry Bussman about 1915.
They moved to Michigan and can be found in 1930 living in St Clair Shores, Macomb County.
John died in 1970 in Alma, Gratiot County, but I have been unable to discover anything about Mabel's death or whether they had any children.
Can anyone help?
Jo
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I have found them in the 1920 census where John & Mabel are staying with her brother, John F Bell, and his family in Wilkinsburg Ward 1, Allegheny, Pennsylvania. It confirms Mabels parents were from Scotland (though you have this already) and John's were from Pennsylvania. They did not have any children at the time which, considering they had been married for 5 years, is quite unusual.
I know you've seen the 1930 version which also shows no children so there is a reasonable case for them never having had children since I would have expected either fo these two census entries to show them otherwise.
As for the death.... I can't find anything either but then again I'm in Scotland so there are better folks at USA stuff out there than me for sure....
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Hello Jo,
The Polk's Dearborn (Wayne County, Mich.) City Directory for 1943 shows John H Bussman and Mabel F - asemblr - Ford - h2101 - Academy
1946 shows similar entry but occupation for John is Clk. (mabel still listed)
1948 same address etc but occupation for John is Stockmn. (Mabel still listed)
The 1953 entry shows John H Bussman (Ida A) - ofc wkr - Ford - h2101 Academy.
Sandra
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This shows the SSDI entry for John
John Bussman. Born 8 August 1893 and Died June 1970
Last Residence: 48801 Alma, Gratiot, Michigan,
SSN was issued: in Michigan (Before 1951)
and this SSDI entry seems to match:- (The Michigan Death Index shows Mildred's middle initial "I"
Could it be that Mabel died between 1948 and 1953 and John remarried. ???
Mildred Bussman. Born 19 July 1896 and Died June 1981
Last Residence: 48801 Alma, Gratiot, Michigan.
SSN was issued in Michigan (Before 1951)
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I have found them in the 1920 census where John & Mabel are staying with her brother, John F Bell, and his family in Wilkinsburg Ward 1, Allegheny, Pennsylvania. It confirms Mabels parents were from Scotland (though you have this already) and John's were from Pennsylvania. They did not have any children at the time which, considering they had been married for 5 years, is quite unusual.
I know you've seen the 1930 version which also shows no children so there is a reasonable case for them never having had children since I would have expected either fo these two census entries to show them otherwise.
As for the death.... I can't find anything either but then again I'm in Scotland so there are better folks at USA stuff out there than me for sure....
Hi weemantam
I too found them on the 1920 census, but thanks for trying to help me, it's very much appreciated. Like you I'm in Scotland, so sometimes finding deaths in the U.S. is difficult.
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Hi Sandra
That's very interesting stuff from the directory, thanks for that! :D
I found the SSDI entry for Mildred too, and had the same thought about him re-marrying.
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Unfortunately, being in the US doesn't necessarily make finding deaths any easier, unless you're willing to spend money on ordering certificates. Not everything is online, and Michigan has a sizeable mid-20th century gap in the death records available online.
Do you have an obituary for John? Maybe that would answer the question about whether they had any children or if he remarried. If you don't have it, maybe you could try e-mailing the Alma library - http://www2.youseemore.com/alma/default.asp Also, if he remarried in Gratiot county, there's a person on www.raogk.org who has access to the marriage records.
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Hi all, hope it's not inappropriate for me to hijack an old thread with a related question, but I'm trying to find more information on a Marion Ruth Bussman, who is listed as living with John H and Mabel Bussman in the 1946 Dearborn directory, but not in 1943 or 1948. I believe she was born around 1924, and though I thought she was born in Pennsylvania (where John H was born), the only things I'm finding are Ohio, Michigan, or North Dakota. I thought for sure that she must be related to John and Mabel, since she stayed with them, but John's only male sibling, Charles (b. 1888) only had one daughter named Catherine. And John H (b. 1894) has a father John H. (b. 1860) who I can't find anything about, except that he was a butcher and married Annie McDermott.
Any ideas on how I could track down a Marion or Ruth, related to or somehow connected to John and Mabel Bussman?
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Not sure if this would be the correct one but will try and follow to see what we can find. Can see a marriage in Illinois of a Marian R Bussman to Patrick Pisauro - 11 September 1951 Cook County Illinois.
Also a passenger list with Marian Pisauro (and a young female)- 13 th April 1953 (which says she was born in Michigan - middle initial "B" ???) Departed Leghorn. Italy to New York on the General Maurice Rose.
Then a Michigan death record for Marian:-
Marion B Pisauro -Born 21 Apr 1924 and died 12 Jan 1985 Royal Oak. Oakland. Michigan
Residence was Madison Heights, Oakland, Michigan
Patrick C. Pisauro
Born 11 July 1927 and died 9 th November 1999
Last Residence: 48098 Troy, Oakland, Michigan.
SSN issued: Illinois (Before 1951)
Patrick remarries and appears on the Nevada Marriage Index:- Patrick Casper Pisuaro married Nancy C Viers 5 th July 1988 Clark. Nevada.
Obituary listed Daily Times Index but no publication name ???
US Veterans Gravesites also lists Patrick
Family tree entry but it lists no further info of parents on this particular Marian. Couple appear to have 2 sons and 4 daughters.
Sandra
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Do you have an obituary for John? Maybe that would answer the question about whether they had any children or if he remarried. If you don't have it, maybe you could try e-mailing the Alma library - http://www2.youseemore.com/alma/default.asp Also, if he remarried in Gratiot county, there's a person on www.raogk.org who has access to the marriage records.
Did you follow this excellent advice from Shelly - libraries are usually very good ?
Sandra
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Have you seen this very recent entry for Charles E Bussman January 16th 1888 - December 10th 1948. Created by Marilyn - wonder if that has any significance - Marian and Marilyn very similar (grand-daughter perhaps) ??? Probably red-herring.
Burial: Gethsemane Cemetery and Crematory Detroit Wayne County Michigan.
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0lag/
Sandra
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And John H (b. 1894) has a father John H. (b. 1860) who I can't find anything about, except that he was a butcher and married Annie McDermott.
Suppose Marian could belong to any of the aunts, uncles, great aunts,uncles or cousins of John
Here is some further census and background on John born 1860
First census showing John with his parents in1860 Altoona, Blair, Pennsylvania (all children born Penn)
Chas Bushman 35 Born Prussia. Moulder.
Susan Bushman 28 Born Darmstadt.
Sophia Bushman 5 Kate Bushman 3
Susan Bushman 2 John Bushman 5 months
Ann Ewalt 21 Domestic. Born Darmstadt
Sandra
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Still in Altoona Ward 4, Blair, Pennsylvania in 1870 in the Ilkes household. All children born Penn.
John L Ickes 65 Elizabeth Ickes 48 Jesse B Ickes 22 Jennie Griffith 16
Charles Bushman 45 Butcher. Born Prussia and Susan Bushman 38 Born Hesse Darmstadt
Kate Bushman 14 Susan Bushman 12
John H Bushman 10 Edward Bushman 8
Charles Bushman 6 Annie Bushman 4
George Bushman 7 months.
Sandra
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Transcribed as Bucsman in 1880 Altoona, Blair, Pennsylvania. All children born Penn
Charles Bucsman 55 Born Prussia. Butcher.
Susanna Bucsman 48 Born Darmstadt
Catharine Bucsman 23 Susan Bucsman 22
John Bucsman 20 Butcher
Jeanette Bucsman 18 Charles Bucsman 16
Annie Bucsman 14 George Bucsman 10 Sophie Bucsman 7
Sandra
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Father Charles born 1824 and died December 1888
Burial: Fairview Cemetery Altoona Blair County Pennsylvania.
Plot: Sec. G, Lot 52
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0lah/
Mother Susan May Bussman 1832 - 16 August 1901
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0lai/
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0lam/
Sister Sophia 1855 - March 1863
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0lak/
Sister Anna Bussman/Eberle 1866 - July 1955 Altoona. Blair.
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0lal/
Sandra
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Wow Sandra, thank you so much, words cannot express my appreciation for all of this information. I had completely missed the Bushman/Buscman/Bussman possibilities for John H; that's given me so much more to go on.
I did see the Pisauro connection, and my gut tells me that could be her. I posted a message to someone I think is their son on another board, and will try to follow up with him.
I also saw Shelly's recommendation, and I'm keeping that in my pocket till I've exhausted the online search.
Again, thank you thank you thank you.
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Hi Masonn,
Pleased to have helped, should keep you busy for a little while ;) Give a shout if you need any more. Best of luck.
Sandra ;)
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Jokdy, not sure if you are still following this thread, but I located John and Mabel Bussman in the 1940 census, and it shows that they have a daughter named (*). This is confusing, as the 1930 census does not show a daughter (they are instead renting to Mabels sister and husband, the Kellingsworths).
If you are a member I think you can see it here:
http://interactive.ancestry.com/2442/M-T0627-01783-00143
Otherwise, I think it is visible here:
http://d1fn1xzknil967.cloudfront.net/9d/5d/f1/ff/9d5df1ff320843c1db004ac5d1009a76
or here:
http://1940census.archives.gov/search/?search.result_type=image&search.state=MI&search.county=Macomb+County&search.city=St.+Clair+Shores&search.street=Ridgeway#filename=m-t0627-01783-00143.tif&name=50-28A&type=image&state=MI&index=11&pages=36&bm_all_text=Bookmark&searchby=location&searchmode=browse&year=1940
Not sure what this means, but thought you might be interested.
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Didn't know of the policy to redact names of people possibly living, but Marion Ruth Bussman died in 1985.
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Hang on. The post I made here earlier has been removed. Can we have some clarification please ??
The name of a lady listed on this thread was removed but the death record for her appeared in reply 8 - she is not a living person.
On another thread - a transcription was allowed that showed the name of a living person - that thread is now removed to completed - the census image was not removed ?
One contradicts the other, are we allowed to post census images of people who are still living ???
Sandra
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I didn't see any census image. If anyone sees something that should not be posted, such as the name of a living person, please click the Report to Moderator button. I removed the name on the other thread.
I made an error in removing the name from this thread, but I don't always have time to go through an entire thread before making a change. I am a volunteer and do the best I can with what may be a limited amount of time. If anyone has an issue like this in the future, please feel free to contact me via PM.
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Thanks for clearing up the mystery. Think you do a great job - not one alot of us would want to take on.
Thanks You.
Sandra
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My name is Bonnie Bussman Rieckmann.
I was born in Altoona, Pa.
My grandfather was George R. Bussman. His father was Charles Bussman.
I know of Anna Ebberly and other members of the family.
How nice to see other members of the Bussman being researched.