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Independent Islands => Alderney, Guernsey, Jersey, Sark => Topic started by: bendywendy on Saturday 04 June 11 14:30 BST (UK)
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Can anyone help with the living relatives of Philip Rodney Nightingale and his wife Annie Barnard Pierce.
Did they have a dau Margaret E Nightingale (*)?? and 2 sons Michael D and Robert F ??
P R Nightingale was born 1896 Horsforth, Yorkshire son to John & Louisa Nightingale, he also had a sister
Florence Annie a little older than him. His father John was a Medical Practioner. They lived at The Green, Horsforth, W. Yorks.
P R Nightingale was a Cadet/Lt Col/Major during his army career in WW1 & WW2. He was made an OBE possibly WW2.
I know he spent time in Australia and I think he may have lived in Jersey??
He wrote the book A History of the East Yorkshire Regiment (Duke of York's Own) in the War of 1939-45 as Lt Col P R Nightingale OBE.
I have found a Will of same name in Jersey Heritage, but as I don't live anywhere near Jersey I don't know if this is the same person, if anyone could help with this I do have the info.
Someone overseas has found something of his and would like to return it to his relatives
Kind regards
bendywendy
(*)Moderator Comment: recent date and place of birth removed as this person could still be alive- please remember not to post details of anyone who could still be living.
I am very sorry abt that, it just didn't occur to me at the time, thanks for removing
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Does anyone know if these peoples are related to Philip Rodney Nightingale???
LE ROSSIGNOL Wilfred John
[Spelt Wilfrid on Nataonal Archives of Canada] Private using both 57701 and 920114, 14th Battalion, Canadian Infantry (Quebec Regiment).
Died on Monday 2nd September 1918. Age 24. (Served as NIGHTINGALE).
Born 29th January 1894 in Jersey. Son of Mrs. Philip Le Rossignol, of Cora Lodge, Bulwarke Hill, St Aubins, Jersey, Channel Islands.
At the time of First Enlistment, 14th February 1916 in Vancouver, his next of kin is listed as his father, Mr P Nightingale, Labeyhouse, Mint-Les-Beaux, St-al-Jersey. He was then living at 900 Hastings Street, West, Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada and was a single man, driver by trade. At this time he stated having been 2 years in the Jersey Militia. He is recorded as being age 22 years and a ½ month, height 5 feet 8 inches, girth 40½ inches, complexion ruddy, eyes blue, hair brown, religion Church of England. He had a tattoo on his right forearm of a girl. He also had a wart in the centre of his back. His vision was stated as 20/60 in both eyes. He was passed fit the first time 14th February 1916 and served in the militia with the 55th Battalion, Irish Canadian Rangers.
At the Second Enlistment, 2nd November 1916 in Montreal, he was living at The Kingston House, Craig Street, Montreal and was now 22 years and 9 months. His father, Philip Nightingale was still listed as next of kin living at Labey House, Mont Les Vaux, St Aubins, Jersey. At this time his occupation was listed as labourer and he was still a single man. His girth had reduced to 39 inches, his complexion was now described as light and his hair fair with an additional tattoo on his left forearm of a flag. He was passed fit on the same day.
Commemorated on VIMY MEMORIAL, Pas de Calais, France.
There are two sets of attestation papers in the National Archives of Canada Accession Reference: RG 150, Accession 1992-93/166, Box 7334 - 24
http://data4.collectionscanada.ca/netacgi/nph-brs?s1=&s2=&s3=920114&Sect4=AND&l=20&Sect1=IMAGE&Sect2=THESOFF&Sect5=CEF6PEN&Sect6=HITOFF&d=CEF6&p=1&u=http://www.collectionscanada.ca/archivianet/02010602_e.html&r=1&f=G
Note.. maybe the Will of Philip Rodney Nightingale, Jersey, Channel Islands may shed some light upon these persons above if related.
bendywendy
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How can I find his death if it occurred in Jersey???
I have looked at several different websites and cannot find a reference to Jersey BMD's.
bendywendy
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ANNIE BARNARD PIERCE
Parents: James William Pearce & Ann Elizabeth Barnard
Birth: 1897 Ondit, Victoria, Australia
Residence: 1919 Beeac, Corangamite, Victoria, Australia
Residence: 1924 Flagstaff Gardens, Melbourne, Victoria
Marriage: Apr 1936 age 39 yrs Manchester South, Lancashire to Philip Rodney Nightingale
The Pearce family goes back to Australia and Tasmania
The Barnard family goes back to Australia only for Annie Barnard Pierce, her parents are from Unknown
Taking note of her age at marriage, she would have been at the upper end of child bearing years, if they did
have children.
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Linking all the threads together for these folk...
Australia
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=536716.new#new
West Yorkshire, England
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=536621.new#new
Kent, England
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=536776.new#new
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Someone overseas has found something of his and would like to return it to his relatives
bendywendy
http://www.goolecourier.co.uk/community/readers-letters/bid_to_find_artist_s_family_1_3437164
Is this the article [painting] you mention...and the author lives in Western Australia :)
Cando
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Hi Cando
Yes, this is the lady I am in contact with.
Jersey
Can anyone help with accessing the following at the Jersey Heritage, I have emailed them to ask if they could give some details, but the Auto Reply states it could be sometime before someone reads it.
Jersey Heritage Trust
D/Y/B1/71 D/Y/B1/71/66 Will and Testament of Lieutenant Colonel Philip Rodney Nightingale, of La Vallette, Mont Cambrai, Millbrook. Dated 24/02/1956. [Includes two closed documents] 18/12/1962 - 18/12/1962
Kind regards
bendywendy
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I have just googled this address
La Vallette, Mont Cambrai, Millbrook and it is showing as being in Pennsylvania, USA
can anyone in Jersey confirm if this address exists/ed in Jersey itself, otherwise I cannot understand
why his Will will be in the Jersey Heritage archives??
By what has been found so far about him, there dosen't appear to be another of same name.
bendywendy
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Yes that address does exist in Jersey. If you go back to the Jersey Heritage site and instead of searching under names you search under places you will see that in 1941 the occupants were Arthur and Mary Ann Le Rossignol, so a probable tie in there with Wilfred Le Rossignol.
The fact that the Jersey Archive holds a copy of P R Nightingale's will means that probate must have been granted in Jersey. This does not necessarily mean that he lived here but he must at least have either owned property or had bank accounts in the island.
I can look at the will later this week but the Archive is only open Tues - Thurs which is probably why you got an automated response.
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Thank you jerseylily,
That is great info and ties in with what I found, although as yet I don't know how these two Nightingale fella's are related.
Cando from Aus board thinks she has found something in America, so it looks likely that these two places are linked together somehow, hopefully the Will may hold the answers to many questions.
I am thinking along the line of bank accounts etc..
bendywendy
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I have received a reply from The Pioneer, who are the website for the Royal Pioneer Corps Association.
It is detailed with various pieces of information, but, as I am not a family member/NEXT OF KIN certain personal
pieces of information cannot be released, which is a pity because it would fill in the gaps and give
other important information.
Nethertheless, this is well written and does clarify some things that have been found via us Rootchatters.
I am not going to transcribe or copy any part of this report until I have asked the author if I have permission
to do so.
I did give The Pioneer the link to this thread so they are aware of what we have found etc..
IF THE NEAREST NEXT OF KIN IS FOUND AND THEY WOULD LIKE THE INFORMATION INC THE PERSONAL INFO,
I CAN PUT HIM/HER IN CONTACT WITH THIS PERSON WHO HOLDS THIS INFORMATION - BUT THEY MAY HAVE TO
PROVE THEIR "NEXT OF KINSHIP" TO PRN.
bendywendy
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With the Kind permission of the Historian of the Royal Pioneer Corps Association, some snippets from
the info I have received.
Honour OBE
Action for which Commended and Awarded Sept 1940
Has commanded this, the first company to be raised of the A.M.P.C., with conspicous ability, maintaining
a high order of discipline and carrying out continuous good work. During the final evacuation of CHERBOURG
this company provided the rearguard under Major Nightingale. The work of closing all road blocks after the
last troops had fallen back through them was carried out efficiently and calmly.
Recommended by Maj Gen Jervase-Thorpe Comdr Cherbourg Sub-Area 5 Jul 1940
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He was also Mentioned in Despatches on 20 Dec 1940 for work undertaken in the B.E.F. (I will ask what this stands for, but I think it is British Expeditionary Force)
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His last address was La Valette, Mont Cambrai, Millbrook, Jersey
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18 Jun 1945 Lt Col P R Nightingale OBE relinquishes Command to stand for Parliament
28 Jul 1945 Lt Col P R Nightingale OBE re-assumes Command
bendywendy
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It appears that PRN had another wife, his first, also from Australia, go to the Australian link to read the details.
b.
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I've now had a look at the will and this is the gist of its contents. This is a will of moveable property, not real estate, which would have been in a separate will.
He confirms that he he is Philip Rodney Nightingale of La Valette and that he is a retired colonel in Her Majesty's army. He also declares that he is domiciled in the island of Jersey and intends to spend the remainder of his days here.
'I give and bequeath all my estate whatsoever and wheresoever (save and except real estate) unto my wife Anne Barnard Nightingale (née Pierce) and in the event of her predeceasing me then the same shall pass to my 2 children.' I have the names of the children, a boy and a girl, and will send them by PM as they could still be alive.
He also desires that a sum not exceeding £50 be given to his 3 godchildren.
The will is dated 24/2/1956 and he appears to have died in 1962.
I also had a look at the Land Registry and he seems to have bought La Vallette in 1951 from Lillie Nicolle Le Rossignol. She was the daughter of Alfred Philip Le Rossignol and he was the son of John Nightingale. Looking at the census returns Lillie was the sister of Arthur Le Rossignol who was living in the house duriing the German Occupation.
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thank you very much jerseylily, you mention his death year do you have any details for that please?? and was his wife Annie still alive after his death??
I will forward on the details to the lady in question, will do this now.
bendywendy
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Clearing out my mother's flat after her death in 2012 we came across an old folder with some water colour drawings made in Burma in 1943 by Major PR Nightingale OBE. Each water colour has text on the back describing was is going on in each picture. We would like to pass on to any living relative. Has your research be fruitful? My father was also in Burma and lived in Jersey until his death in 1994. He was an active member of the Burma Star Association. Why these drawings were in possession is not known.
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Hi Curious53
Sorry, as yet no known relatives have been located.
According to a message on the other link for Kent his wife returned to Australia after her
husbands death, it states they had no children.
What I would suggest is that you consider donating the file and contents to a library of his home
town of Horsforth, Yorkshire. His father was also a GP at Horsforth too.
bendywendy
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Thank you for that. We had been in touch with The Prince of Wales's Own Regiment of Yorkshire Museum before I came across your investigations, they are happy to take them off our hands so will go a head with gifting to them.
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Hi
That would be a fantastic gift for the PoW Reg.
b.
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Hi Bendywendy,
I have details of Philip Rodney Nightingale's son and daughter, who are my father and aunt. As my father is now elderly and would love to exchange information with you while he is still able, could you please contact me ASAP to discuss.
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Hi auslyn
I have sent a PM to you, but you may not be able to access it until you have made 3 postings, this it to avoid spam, if you have difficulties opening the message just make another 2 on this thread, just say Hi etc each time, then I can contact you.
Regards
bendywendy
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Hi Bendywendy,
Great to hear from you. Looking forward to exchanging information with you!
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Hi Bendywendy,
Not sure how to operate this site. You may need to guide me a bit!
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Hi auslyn
Going to send you a new private message, this should go to your email inbox, click on the link to open it, the message I send privately will not show up on this thread.
b.