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Research in Other Countries => United States of America => Topic started by: RCB on Sunday 05 June 11 12:14 BST (UK)
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Hello, I'm new to the US boards. A few questions to get me started.
1. Can we search by State/county as we do on the UK boards
2. Is there a national BMD archive like the UK GRO.
Using the US 1870 and 1880 census I found a friends grandmother Frederica Barrett born 1863 Phillidelphia, daughter of Lawrence Barrett born PA about 1836 of Irish parents, he was a sea captain, a clipper called the Mariquitta. His wife Frederica Barrett was born Ireland. The marriage details would help us know more. Five daughters Margaret, Frederica, Ellen, Annie, and Leonora, and as is often the case the 4 younger girls were known to each other as Freddy, Nell, Nan, and Nora.
There is a story that one of the parents, probably Lawrence, was quite closely related to the USA's president who had the shortest term in office William Harrison.
Frederica worked in New York for a publication "Book News" She lived alone and was probably involved in Womens rights. She came to the UK in the 1890's aged about 32 and either married or was let down by an Englishman. But she managed to find a friend of her fathers, another sea faring man who made trips to the US. He was a widower with young children, they married, had more children, and now I'm helping her grand-daughter to add some facts to the story she knows. Cheers Fred
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No, there is nothing national that covers vital records for everyone.
There are some vital records for Philadelphia on www.familysearch.org.
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Thanks for the quick reply, I thought that might be the case. Oh well on with the show. F
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I wonder if Lawrence might also be known as Leonard. The 1870 Census lists him as L.D., and there's a Philadelphia death record for an 8-month old Leonard W. F. Barrett, son of Leonard D. & Frederica Barrett. This 1900 Census - http://www.rootschat.com/links/0dlk/ - seems to fit reasonably well with the parents' ages & the son Stephen fits with the son "S" on the 1880 Census.
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Also, this death record for Leonard D. Barrett says he was a steamship captain: http://www.rootschat.com/links/0dll/ No mention of Ireland in his or his parents' births, but it seemed like too much of a coincidence not to make note of it.
I thought this might be a maybe for Frederica's death record - http://www.rootschat.com/links/0dlm/
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The name Rutledge seems to have siginificance to the family - Stephen and wife Mary McGuckin had a son Leonard Rutledge Barrett 15 February 1908 in Orange, Union, New Jersey, who died
February 1984 in Summit, Union, New Jersey. A Mary Rutledge and William appeared on earlier Census with them.
Leonard Barrett - Last Residence: 07901 Summit, Union, New Jersey.
SSN was issued in New York (Before 1951)
Sandra
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Leonard Rutledge Barrett appears in US School Year Books Index at Princeton University in 1928/1929/1931/1932 - the address is 377 Tillon Road. South Orange. New Jersey in 1928.
His sister Stephanie Barrett born 9 October 1910 New Jersey appears on New York Passenger Lists.
Stephanie Barrett. Born about 1910 Roselley. New Jersey and aged 17 years
Travelling Le Havre to New York on De Grasse. Arriving 7 th May 1928.
Passport No:- 451010,
Address 377 Tillon Road. South Orange. New Jersey.
Stephanie Barrett. Born about 1911 Roselle. New Jersey and aged 24 years.
Travelling Hamilton, Bermuda to New York arriving 22 November 1935 on the Monarch of Bermuda.
Going to 8 Glenside Road. S. Orange. New Jersey
Sandra
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In 1910 Stephen and Mary/May have 1 son and live Roselle, Union, New Jersey.
Stephen F Barrett 33 Born PA. Life Insuramce Broker.
Mary C Barrett 30 Born PA. Had 2 children and 1 survives.
Leonard R Barrett 2 Born New Jersey
This is Stephen Barrett and Family in Roselle, Union, New Jersey in 1920. Children all born New Jersey.
Stephen F Barrett 39 Born PA. Insurance Broker.
May Barrett 38 Born PA
Leonard Barrett 11 Stephanie Barrett 9 Elizabeth Barrett 7
Kathleen Barrett 4 Cynthia Barrett 2 Robert Barrett 10 months.
Gertrude Thorpe 24 Maid
Sandra
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Stephanie Greves - Born 9 th October 1910 and Died August 1971
Last Residence: 07940 Madison, Morris, New Jersey,
SSN was issued in New Jersey (Before 1951)
Sandra
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Family slightly mis-transcribed in 1930 living TILLON ROAD. South Orange, Essex, New Jersey.
Stephen F Barnett 53 Born PA. Married at 30 years. Owns Home $40,000. Broker. Insurance.
Mary A Barnett 49 Born PA. Married at 26 years.
Leonard R Barnett aged 22
Stephanie Barnett aged 19
Elizabeth Barnett aged 17
Kathern M Barnett aged 15
Cynthia M Barnett aged 12
Robert R Barnett aged 11
Betsey Day 0 18 Servant. Private Family.
Sandra
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According to the WW1 Draft for Stephen Frederic Barrett born 27th January 1877. Resided 250 East 3rd Avenue. Roselle. New Jersey.
Occupation:- Marine Insurance. Place of employment of business 45 Wall Street. NY
Wife:- Mary Barrett of the same address. Medium build, grey hair and dark hair.
Dated September 12 th 1918.
Can see a family tree entry that says Stephen was Stephen Flanagan Barrett and a death date of March 1938 in Essex. New Jersey (No source info)
Sandra
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There is a New York Passenger List entry for Stephen F Barrett. Born Jan 27th 1877 Philadelphia, married and aged 35 years. Travelling Cherbourg to New York on The Prinz Friedroch Wilhelm, arriving 19 August 1912. The address given is 3 South William Street. New York.
Sandra
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According to a family tree entry - Elizabeth Barrett - Born 2 nd January1913 in Roselle, New Jersey. Died 28th March 2005 in Harrisburg, North Carolina.
Married to John Joseph Delaney, Jr
Born 12 th August 1907 in Boston, Suffolk, Massachusetts. Died 20 th February 1980 in Charlotte, North Carolina.
Believed to have 4 sons and 2 daughters.
Elizabeth B. Delaney. Born 2 January 1913 and Died 27 March 2005
Last Residence: 28075 Harrisburg, Cabarrus, North Carolina
SSN was issued in North Carolina (1963)
John Delaney
Born 12 August 1907 and Died February 1980
Last Residence: 28203 Charlotte, Mecklenburg, North Carolina,
SSN was issued in New York (Before 1951)
Sandra
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A possible death record for Mary McGuckin/Barrett
Mary Barrett. Born 22 March 1880 and died March 1964
SSN: 139-20-5831
Last Residence: New Jersey
SSN was issued in New Jersey (Before 1951)
Sandra
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If the name Rutledge proves to be the right connnection, there is a Philadelphia Passenger List.
Frederica Rutledge. Born about 1838 Ireland and aged 9 years. Travelling Liverpool to Philadelphia. Pennsylvania on the Saranak. Arriving 21 September 1847. Also travelling are Mary Rutledge aged 30 years and Ellen Rutledge 12 years and Mary 7 years and Alick ??? 3 years (male)
Sandra
TO ADD:- On the next page of the passenger list are George Rutledge aged 5 years and Wm Rutledge aged 10 months.
So this is the William we see on the 1870 Census with L D Barrett and Frederica
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On the 1850 Census for Philadelphia Lombard Ward, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania a Frederica Ratlidge appears. Born Ireland about 1838 and aged 12 years.
Sandra
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Looks like Leonora Barrett married Caspar Carpenter in 1904
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0dlr/
They appear on the 1910 :- http://www.rootschat.com/links/0dls/
and 1920 http://www.rootschat.com/links/0dlt/
Family living in Philadelphia, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania in 1930
Caspar B Carpenter 55 Born MA. Married. Married at 28 years. Manuafcturer
Beatrice Carpenter 24 Born PA. Asst Librarian. Free Library.
Alfred B Carpenter 22 Born PA. Clerk. Insurance Co.
Caspar B J Carpenter 18 Born PA Clerk. Insurance Co.
Middle initial of Alfred is Barrett.
Father was Caspar Briggs Carpenter.
Leonora Barrett. Appears on a Philadelphia Passenger List - Liverpool to Philadelphia arriving 23 rd October 1900 on the Belgenland. Going to 1803 S 15th Street. (No further information)
Sandra
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Alfred Carpenter. Born 3 rd February 1908 and Died November 1985
Last Residence and Benefit 60068 Park Ridge, Cook, Illinois,
SSN was issued in Pennsylvania (Before 1951)
Wife of Arthur:-
Dorothy A. Carpenter. Born 5 September 1910 and died 10 September 2002
Last Residence: 60068 Park Ridge, Cook, Illinois,
SSN was issued in Illinois (1966-1967)
Maiden Name was Dorothy Aitken Buzby
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0dlv/
Sandra
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Caspar Carpenter. (Was also Caspar Barrett Carpenter)
Born 13 November 1911 and Died April 1985
Last Residence: 19131 Philadelphia, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania.
SSN issued: Pennsylvania (Before 1951)
Was mentioned in US Year Books 1929 - Honour List - Distinguished and Meritorious Pupils.
Sandra
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There is a possible marriage record for a Beatrice Carpenter married to a Nielson in 1934
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0dlu/
If that is the right connection, then the death record below could be Beatrice
Beatrice C. Nilson. Born 14 January 1906 abd Died 19 February 1994
SSN: 209-34-4835
Last Residence: 700 (U.S. Consulate), Italy
SSN wasissued in Pennsylvania (1961-1962)
Sandra
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There are some Philadelphia newspapers on Chronicling America - http://chroniclingamerica.loc.gov/lccn/sn89060297/ If you go under Advanced Search and search for Leonard & Barrett within 5 words of each other, a few articles come up that refer to Leonard D. Barrett being a ship captain and trading with the Congo. He was reported to be head of the Board of Admirality Surveyors for many years. It appears that the columnist Tom Daly, who wrote about Leonard, was married to one of Leonard's daughters.
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I see a Civil War draft registration listing for a Leon Barrett of 621 Vine St., Philadelphia. He was age 25, a sailor, married, and born Ireland.
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Looks like that is Nannie/Mamie (born 1869) married to Tom Daly.
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0dlw/
Philadelphia Ward 26, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania
Thomas Daly 29 Born PA. Manager. Newspaper.
Mamie Daly 30 Had 3 children and 2 survive. Married 1896.
Leonard Daly 3 (Is Leonard Barrett Daly accordng to WW1 Draft) Born 31 March 1897
John Daly 8 months
Mary Downey 26 Boarder
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0dly/
1910 - http://www.rootschat.com/links/0dlz/
Thomas is remarried by the 1920 Census.
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0dm0/
1930 Philadelphia, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania
Thomas A Daly 59 Editor. Newspaper.
Anne B Daly 60
Anne E Daly 26 Teacher. Public School.
Frances Joan Daly 15
Thomas A Daly 28
Stephen B Daly 25 Clerk. Office
Frederick R Daly 21 Musician. Orchestra.
Leonard B. Daly
Born 31 March 1897 and Died 10 April 1991
Last Residence: 36106 Montgomery, Montgomery, Alabama,
SSN was issued in New York (Before 1951)
Sandra
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There's an article here - http://www.rootschat.com/links/0dlx/ - mentioning your friend's grandmother "Freddie" going to Mardi Gras in New Orleans.
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Stephen Daly - Born: 19 Dec 1905 and Died Feb 1966
SSN was issued in Pennsylvania (1957-1958)
Sandra
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Thomas Augustine Daly
http://www.bookrags.com/biography/thomas-augustine-daly-dlb/
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0dm1/ (with photograph)
Born May 28, 1871 and Died Oct. 4, 1948
Burial:- Burial: Old Cathedral Cemetery Philadelphia Philadelphia County Pennsylvania.
Sandra
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There is a WW1 Draft for John Anthony Daly. Born September 11 th 1899. Residing 4937 Rubican Avenue. Student :- St Josephs College. Names his Mother:- Mamie B Daly of the same address.
Dated September 12 th 1918
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Possible marriage in 1939 for Anne E Daly to Samuel E Farrington
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0dm2/
Leonard D Barrett is mentioned in Gopsill's Philadelphia City Directory, for 1887 and 1889
U S Board of Surveyors (Marine) 140 Walnut h 412 Queen
Gopsill's Philadelphia City Directory, For 1895
At 216 1/2 Walnut
Sandra
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SLOW DOWN..... Wow I know there are some very helpful people on these boards but now I need to make sense of it all.
Yes Rutledge was the mother Frederica's maiden name, and Angela the grand-daughter of the young Frederica now remembers there was a son Steven. Angela is in her 80's and as bright as a button and loving having all these memories made clear(er)
She also remembers a Tom Daley being talked about, and you have already found this out. Angela once met a Frederica Clemmer. A very unusual name and a quick look yesterday found a ships first class passenger list from christmas 1953 travelling from Bermuda to New York. This Frederica was married to Abram Clemmer, and Frederica was possibly a neice of Angela's mother. Thankyou so much for all this info, all I need now is for you to find a link to President Harrison (was Harrison wasn't it LOL.)
It is certainly Leonard, hence the daughter Leonora, sorry about that, I was so sure it was Lawrence. thanks again. Fred
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From what I can tell from various online trees, William Henry Harrison's ancestors were born in Virginia going back to the 1600's.
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Hello Fred,
Came to the same conclusion as Shelly after spending time going through family tree entries back to 1600 - originating St Giles. Northants.
Abram Clemmer and Frederica are together on the 1930 Census. Abram was a salesman for paint.
Married 10 years.
Abram is listed in Pennsylvania Veterans Burials. Chances are Frederica may be buried there as well.
Abram Clemmer - Born: 10 Dec 1894 -Died 18 Nov 1971 aged 76 years. 125 Summit Ave, Willow Grove. Upper Moreland Twp. Montgomery Co.
Veteran of World War I - Navy. Rank:- Storekeeper 2/C
Cemetery Name: Hillside Cemetery - Roslyn; Montgomery County, Pennsylvania
Grave located Section A Lot No 1199
Fredrica Clemmer. Born 31 August 1896 and Died 1987
Last Residence: 19446 Lansdale, Montgomery, Pennsylvania.
SSN was issued inPennsylvania (1973)
Unfortunately there are no marriage records available for the time frame we are looking at here, so have'nt come across a maiden name for Frederica.
Sandra
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Still we (you) found out an awful lot in 24 hours. Angela will love that peice from the newspaper about Freddie and Nannie, a bit of a gem that for anyones family tree. And of course Thomas Daly.
Families were often big 150 years ago, so easy for somebody to be linked to a president via a cousin etc. In the end we are all family. thanks again Uncle Fred
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I just found out that the President the Barrett's are some how related too was not William Harrison, the short term in office was a bit of a red herring. Angela came up with the name James Buchanan. Now this president never married, so the link will be via another member of his family, brothers and sisters, or even more remote cousins born around 1790-1800.
You have helped me so much so don't go trying to find the relationship between these families...that is unless you are crazy enough to want to do so. I'll be taking a look ;D
Any of you with family links to South West England or Wales stuck and need some help you pnly have to ask LOL cheers Fred
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Hi Fred,
More of an Irish connection with the Buchanan's.
Frederica Clemmer was Frederica O Jones married Abram in 1920. Believe her mother to be Ellen Barrett.
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0dmi/
Sandra
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This is Ellen with her husband and Frederica in Moore Street Philadelphia Ward 26, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania in 1900
Robert Jones 33 Married for 5 years. Newspaper Clerk.
Ellen Jones 33 Born March 1867. Had 1 child.
Fredericka O Jones 3 Born August 1896
Robert Jones 70 Father
Amelia Jones 66 Mother
Sandra
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No further children by 1910 in Philadelphia Ward 22, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania.
Robert Jones Jr 42 Married 14 years. Advertiser. Newspaper.
Ellen Jones 42 Had 1 child.
Fredrica Jones 14
Sandra
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1920 must be just prior to the marriage of Frederica and Abram living Philadelphia Ward 22, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania.
Robert Jones 52 Advertising. North America.
Ellen Jones 52 Housekeeper.
Fredrica Jones 24 Artist. Photographs.
Sandra
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Sandra this was quite a successful and talented family, I wonder how humble their Irish beginning's were. But then this was the USA, the place for new beginnings and rich rewards, I wonder how they faired during the depression.
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I don't think we had found this one yet...an obit for Captain Leonard D. Barrett - http://www.rootschat.com/links/0dn1/
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There also appear to be some depositions of Leonard in this book: http://www.rootschat.com/links/0dn2/
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I'm told that while Leonard Barrett was at sea a black slave fell overboard, and that Leonard jumped into the sea and saved him, which didn't go down well with his superiors, he shouldn't have risked his life for a slave. A lot is made of the slave trade and slavery in general, of course it was never right, but we judge it now with modern eyes. Conditions of the poor here in Britain and Europe were probably no better, that's why so many headed for the US. One could argue conditions were worse. A black slave had value, if one died you might have buy another, while here in the free world you just dragged in somebody else. My great grandparents were both dead aged 39 and 42. Working in cotton mills, mines, kilns, and steel works, and living in terrible conditions you were lucky to reach 40 and still be fit to work. People forget that Unions were the only reason things changed, and that there are employers today who don't want anyone to have any rights, when jobs are scarce it's so easy to get a raw deal. If you don't mind me commenting, I think the US did what the once Great Britain did, and sat on your laurels on top of the pile thinking well we made it. The trouble is once you reach the top everyone wants to bring you down, when you reach the top the struggle still has to go on to stay there. Britain didn't take foreign competition seriously, maybe the US has done the same.
Where was I??? Oh yes trying to sort out all this wonderful info you guys have found, can you say thank you too often? Nice Obituary notice.
I imagine Angela will want to try and find some living relatives, well thanks to you that should be possible. Fred
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Hi Peter,
Thank you for your generous comments. The Obituary was a good find - noticed it said survived by 4 daughters and a son - this must mean Margaret had died, she was the one I was unable to locate.
The other avenue unexplored at the moment was Hugh Barrett who appeared on the 1880 Census with the family described as a cousin and born in Pennsylvania - perhaps that could lead you back to previous generations in Ireland.
Sandra
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This could be Hugh with his parents in 1860 Lower Merion, Montgomery, Pennsylvania. The value of the real estate and personal estate would make you think they were a quite well to do family in 1860 ???
Hugh Barrett 50 Born Ireland. Real Estate Value $23,000 Personal Estate $5,000
Ellen Barrett aged 40 years. Born Ireland.
Georgiana Barrett 17 Born Ireland
Jane E Barrett 17 Born PA
Hugh W Barrett 7 Born PA
Levi Lancaster 25 Born Pa
Alice Quinn 19 Born Ireland.
Sandra
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In 1870 this looks like the same family - Philadelphia Ward 8 Dist 24 (2nd Enum), Philadelphia, Pennsylvania
Ellen Barrett aged 50 years. Georgina aged 28 years. Hugh aged 18 years and Jane aged 22 years
Sandra
ADDED:- Found the first enumeration - Ellen was keeping house and Hugh was a Clerk in a dry goods store. Georgina and Jane were without occupation.
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Hugh Barrett aged 34 years - Ellen aged 23 years and Georgina aged 1 year arrived on a Philadelphia Passenger List 28th July 1842 - the Columbia.
Sandra
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This family looks a match in 1850 Northern Liberties Ward 2, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania
Hugh Barrett 40 Born Ireland. Shoe-Maker.
Ellen Barrett 30 Born Ireland.
Georgiana Barrett 8 Born Ireland
Jane Barrett 2 Born Pennsylvania
Maria Barrett 0 Born Pennsylvania
Wm Barrett 22 Born Ireland Shoe Maker.
Ellen Duffy 18 Born Ireland
Sandra
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Hi Peter,
I believe that this is possibly Marjorie C Steinbrugge/Barrett wife of Leonard Rutledge Barrett (Son of Stephen)
They had 2 sons - will send you a pm.
Marjorie Barrett. Born 26 April 1914 and Died December 1985
Last Residence: 07660 Ridgefield Park, Bergen, New Jersey
SSN was issued in New York (Before 1951)
Marjorie with her family in 1930 Summit, Union, New Jersey.
Edward Steinbrugge 50 Born France. Salesman. Life Ins
Marjory C Steinbrugge 36 New York
Marjory C Steinbrugge 16 Born NJ
Edward D Steinbrugge 13 Born NY
Believe this to be her parents:- Married 1 st March 1913 York. Ontario.
Edward Steinbrugge Jr - Born about 1876 - Turgeau Holti West Indies - Aged 37 years
Father Name: Edward Steinbrugge - Mother Comilla Liot
Spouse Name: Marjorie Cicely Macdonald. Aged about 26 years. Born Albany. New York
Spouse Father Name: Donald Macdonald. Mother Florence Nichols
Spouse Mother Name: Florence Nicholls
There is a passport application for Edward Steinbrugge with photograph. (15th November 1922)
Sandra
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What do you think about this? I think I found this not you guys. Seems odd to me, husband always comes first, is Frederic really Frederica? With the Rutledge family sharing? The ages are all over the place if it is our Barretts. Leonard is said to have been a life long sailor, captain of a ship before he was of full age, 21, just a coincidence isn't it? But the Georgina fits in well with the Barrett 1850 . census other than age again, are these just errors? or people saying they are older than they are. We also would have to ask who Ann and Joseph belong too.
1860 US census, Philadelphia.
Ellen Rutledge age 28, female, printer,
Frederik Rutledge age 28, male, (Is this is an error)
Ann Rutledge age 3
Joseph Rutledge age 1
William J Rutledge age 26
plus
Leonard Barrett age 25, printer
Georgina Barrett age 24
cheers fred
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Am I just dull ::) don't answer that. Ancestry have Irish census and parish records, but I can't find them when I sign in. Is it a seperate site where we have to pay again? Off to try again. Fred
Yep I was dumb
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Angela remembers the name Hugh and him being a shoe maker. Leonard was probably already a boy sailor
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Hello Peter,
Yes, I did see the Rutledge and Barrett 1860 Census earlier but so far haven't come up with any further leads from it. I also added on the posting (reply 14) on the next page were 2 more children - George aged 5 years and Wm 10 months. So the William Rutledge on the 1870 with L D Barrett, Frederica was that particular William.
On reply 42 - Found the first enumeration and have added the occupations of that Barrett family.
Georgina aged 24 years on the 1860 could be a sister of Leonard rather than Georgina the cousin born in 1842 (Hugh Snr's daughter) ???
So far haven't found Frederick, Ellen and children later.
Sandra
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There is a Passport Application for Hugh R Barrett born 13 August 1852 Philadelphia. PA. and aged 23 years. Date of application 23 March 1883.
Although the middle initial is not the same that seems to match with Hugh, wife and daughter in Lower Merion, Montgomery, Pennsylvania in 1897
Hugh W Barrett 47 Born PA. Married 3 years. Manager Ice Co.
Lotta Barrett 31 Born PA. Had 1 child.
Dorothy Barrett 1 Born PA
Margarett Witherenton 34 Servant
May E Witherenton 14 Servant.
Sandra
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This would seem to be the marriage of Hugh to Lotttie Suehnel in 1897
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0dnr/
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0dns/
Sandra
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I went looking at the Irish records, and if they weren't destroyed by fire the the government had them destroyed. I had almost given up because unless you have a record such as Hugh Barrett from Dublin or Donegal you are chasin rainbows. But I just entered Hugh Barrett into a search of Irish directories and - Hugh Barrett Boot and Shoe maker 12 Christchurch Place, Dublin came up, an 1841 list.
I know it sounds terrible but as far as keeping records of Irish people leaving Ireland nobody seems to have cared too much. Coming into the UK millions of records, leaving Ireland next to nothing as far as I can see. If it weren't for the ships lists and immigration lists there would be nothing. I know the parish records are very good in Ireland, but unless your grandfather or somebody else once told you where they came from how do you start.
Once a name is mis-spelt when transcribed from census records you really are struggling aren't you. That's what's happened in 1860 I think, and Mary Rutledge in 1850? You guys are as daft as me LOL I find it a bit of a challenge when things don't go the way you want. Where the bottle, time for a beer, it is as the song says "5 O'clock somewhere" I'm not much of a drinker, two beers and I'm anybodies......almost. ;D
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Rutledge comes up in the Dublin Almanac and trade directory quite a lot, even the Lord Mayor. A barrister etc and this for the suberb of Coolock 1841
Day and Sunday School - Thomas and Mary Rutledge superintendants.
Frederica is in the household of Alonzo Potter the Bishop of Pennsylvannia? in 1850. I wonder if the move to the US was aided by the church? Thomas may have died, or gone to the US earlier?
Just thinking out loud....
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Oh dear, you sound in a bad way - have a coffee instead. ;)
Hugh, Lottie and Dorothy appear on a Philadelphia Passenger List. Travelling Liverpool to Philadelphia. PA - Arriving 7 Aug 1904 on the Haverford. BUT Hugh is described as Hugh Wallace Barrett ???
Family also appear on the Haverford 25 th April 1906 going to Philadelphia
Sandra
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This is an interesting thread. Is this your Thomas Augustine Daly?
https://www.poemhunter.com/thomas-augustine-daly/biography/
I think there is a connection to my Daly's who were sea captains and in the performing arts.
There is a Lawrence Barrett(actor) in the mix and a connection to Harrison's.
My Daly's arrived in Philadelphia, but shortly became pilots in the port of Bathurst, New Brunswick. Some thereafter went to Boston and became famous on the stage.
I have recently tied them to...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Daly
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Augustin_Daly
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Merrigan_Daly
This is the Barrett connection....
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lawrence_Barrett
Will check out the Harrison connection, but seems possible your Thomas Daly might descent from the Daly Family of Raford, Galway, Ireland.
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Hi Sandra, I found this thread very interesting. Stephen Frederick Barrett is my great grandfather. Elizabeth Barrett (Delaney) is my grandmother. My father is Stephen Barrett Delaney. Much of the info you put in the thread was spot on. My question is - Is there any info on Stephen Frederick Barrett's father? My great grandmother Mary McGuckin's ancestry goes back to County Leitrim and County Tyrone, but we hit a wall with Stephen Barrett. His father's name was Frederick Barrett, possibly born in Yorkshire in 1851. That's all I got. Any help would be much appreciated. Hope I've done this right.
Thanks
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New info I've received says that it is Stephen Flanagan Barrett, not Frederick. And his father is Leonard Dobbin Barrett, who was married to Fredericka Rutledge. Her parents were William and Mary Rutledge.
What this all adds up to is that Elizabeth Barrett was the grand daughter of Leonard Dobbin Barrett. Family legend always said there was a ship captain some where in our lineage. Elizabeth Barrett was my grandmother. Her son was Stephen Barrett Delaney, I am same name add Jr.
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But... the draft record says Frederic, wife Mary. Could mean all things are the same, just a wrong Flanagan thrown in there by mistake. My uncles and father all thought Frederic. Regardless, Leonard Dobbin Barrett is in the line.
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But... the draft record says Frederic, wife Mary. Could mean all things are the same, just a wrong Flanagan thrown in there by mistake. My uncles and father all thought Frederic. Regardless, Leonard Dobbin Barrett is in the line.
Welcome to RootsChat.
The only record I could see showing Flanagan was the baptism record -
Stephen Flanagan 27 January 1877 - baptism 24 June 1977 Philadelphia, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania. Episcopal - Church of St John the Evangelist (Episcopal)
Father Leonard D Barrett - Mother Fredrica A Barrett
Sandra
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The Philadelphia Inquirer Philadelphia, Pennsylvania
19 Mar 1906, Mon Page 7
https://www.newspapers.com/clip/69753054/obituary-for-leonard-d-barrett/
Sandra
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marriage of Frederica Barrett - The Philadelphia Inquirer Philadelphia, Pennsylvania
12 Oct 1897, Tue Page 6
https://www.newspapers.com/clip/69753112/marriage-of-barrett-carr/
Sandra
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death notice - Fredrica Barrett (wife of Captain Leonard D Barrett)
The Philadelphia Inquirer Philadelphia, Pennsylvania
27 Feb 1905, Mon Page 7
https://www.newspapers.com/clip/69753214/fredrica-barrett-27-february-1905/
FIND A GRAVE
Frederica Rutledge Barrett - 1839 - 1904
Woodlands Cemetery Philadelphia, Philadelphia County, Pennsylvania
PLOT N 146
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/156874934/fredericka-barrett
Leonard D Barrett - 1839 - 1906
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/156874915/leonard-d.-barrett
Leonora Barrett Carpenter - 1874 - 1930
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/156874864/leonora-carpenter
Sandra
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The Courier-News Bridgewater, New Jersey
11 Jan 1965, Mon Page 6
Mrs Stephen Barrett - Mary A Barrett - The Courier-News
Bridgewater, New Jersey - 11 Jan 1965, Mon Page 6
https://www.newspapers.com/clip/69753559/obituary-for-barrett-aged-85/
Sandra
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marriage gives parents of Leonard Barrett
Leonard Dobbin Barrett 1836 - marriage 5 July 1862 - Philadelphia Pennsylvania - aged 26 years.
Roman Catholic - Church of the Evangelist
Father John Barrett Mother Jane Barrett - Spouse Frederick A Rutledge.
Sandra
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Yes, it was the baptism record that threw us off. Thanks for the other info.
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Wow, just saw all the other stuff. Thanks!
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Not sure what you already have - A few more small pieces for you.
U.S., Civil War Soldier Records - Leonard Barrett 1838 Pennsylvania
Enlistment Age: 25
Enlistment Date 10 Jan 1863 - Enlistment Place Pleasant Grove, Olmsted Co, Minnesota
Enlistment Rank Private
Muster Date 10 Jan 1863 Muster Place Minnesota Muster Company I - Muster Regiment 1st Cavalry - Enlisted Muster Out Date 1 Dec 1863 - Side of War Union
Survived War Yes
Title: Minnesota in the Civil and Indian Wars 1861-65; Minnesota Adjutant General's Report of 1866
Sandra
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Leonora daughter of Leonard and Frederica Barrett. - Leonora Barrett Carpenter.
Leonora marriage - 7 November 1904 - Philadelphia Pennsylvania.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QKJ4-8F31
1910 census - https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MG77-FK3
1920 census - https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M6YL-SGF
The Philadelphia Inquirer Philadelphia, Pennsylvania
3 Apr 1930, Thu Page 33
https://www.newspapers.com/clip/69762383/leonora-barrett-carpenter-3-april-1930/
Sandra
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FIND A GRAVE
Leonora Barrett Carpenter - 1874 = 1930
Woodlands Cemetery Philadelphia, Philadelphia County, Pennsylvania.
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/156874864/leonora-carpenter
Caspar Briggs Carpenter - 1875 - 1949
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/156874626/caspar-briggs-carpenter
Sandra
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Thank you! Will share all this with my cousins.
Census seems to confirm Irish birth for both Leonard and Fredericka.
Right now I'm trying to see if Jane Prince is a match for Jane Barrett. (wife of John Barrett)
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Son of Leonora and Casper -
Alfred Barrett Carpenter - Chicago Tribune Chicago, Illinois
12 Nov 1985, Tue Page 28
https://www.newspapers.com/clip/69763623/obituary-for-alfred-barrett-carpenter/
FIND A GRAVE
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/153323642/alfred-barrett-carpenter
Sandra
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son of Leonora and Casper
Casper Barrett Carpenter -
Philadelphia Daily News Philadelphia, Pennsylvania
10 Apr 1985, Wed Page 36
https://www.newspapers.com/clip/69763878/obituary-for-caspar-b-carpenter-aged/
FIND A GRAVE
Woodlands Cemetery Philadelphia, Philadelphia County, Pennsylvania.
PLOT N 146
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/153627805/caspar-barrett-carpenter
Sandra
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daughter Beatrice Nilson -
FIND A GRAVE
Chelten Hills Cemetery Philadelphia, Philadelphia County, Pennsylvania.
PLOT Section D
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/209574887/beatrice-c.-nilson
obit - Philadelphia Daily News Philadelphia, Pennsylvania
21 Feb 1994, Mon Page 25
https://www.newspapers.com/clip/69764516/beatrice-nilson-21-february-1994/
Sandra
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Your chart was missing a death date for John Joseph Delaney -
The Charlotte Observer Charlotte, North Carolina 24 Feb 1980, Sun Page 26
https://www.newspapers.com/clip/69778722/obituary-for-john-j-delaney-aged-72/
wife Elizabeth Barrett Delaney (Bee) The Charlotte Observer Charlotte, North Carolina
30 Mar 2005, Wed Page 55
https://www.newspapers.com/clip/66025156/obituary-for-elizabeth-barrett/
daughter Cynthia Delaney Mitchell -
The Charlotte Observer Charlotte, North Carolina 27 Jan 2005, Thu Page B7
https://www.newspapers.com/clip/69779168/obituary-for-cynthia-d-mitchell-aged/
Anna G Craven Delaney - wife of John J Delaney Snr.
The Boston Globe Boston, Massachusetts
3 Dec 1957, Tue Page 60
https://www.newspapers.com/clip/69779811/anna-g-delaney-3-december-1957/
Sandra
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Thanks!
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And thanks for all the info on our Philly branch. Haven't ever met any of those folks.
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Fixed it.
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You might find this interesting, my cousin sent it last night.
William Rutledge and Mary Sayer are married in Dublin. He dies in 1846. Mary Rutledge (now 30) leaves from Liverpool for Philly on the Saranac with her children, including Fredericka. (age 9)
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Sorry, you were way ahead of me. Just noticed you posted about the Saranac back on page 3.
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Just noticed the Anna Craven obit, thanks!
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Hi Sandra,
Do you have a source for this -
marriage gives parents of Leonard Barrett
Leonard Dobbin Barrett 1836 - marriage 5 July 1862 - Philadelphia Pennsylvania - aged 26 years.
Roman Catholic - Church of the Evangelist
Father John Barrett Mother Jane Barrett - Spouse Frederick A Rutledge.
Trying to find evidence that the good captain's middle name was indeed Dobbin, and also some evidence that those are in fact his parent's names.
You posted this earlier in the thread by the way.
Thanks,
Barry
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marriage gives parents of Leonard Barrett
Leonard Dobbin Barrett 1836 - marriage 5 July 1862 - Philadelphia Pennsylvania - aged 26 years.
Roman Catholic - Church of the Evangelist
Father John Barrett Mother Jane Barrett - Spouse Frederick A Rutledge.
Sandra
Pennsylvania and New Jersey, U.S., Church and Town Records, 1669-2013 (subscription site)
Leonard Dobbin Barrett - 1836 - aged 26 years - 304 Gaskill Street Philadelphia
Marriage Date: 5 Jul 1862 - Philadelphia, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania.
Denomination Roman Catholic - Church of the Evangelist
Father John Barrett - Mother Jane Barrett - Spouse - Frederick A Rutledge aged 24 years. Parents William and Mary.
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01qap/
Sandra
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Made a note the other day, that is thought Leonard attended school in Ireland until his tenth years, he ran away to sea as a stowaway. Landed Wilmington North Carolina. Secured work with a farmer and successful concealed his identity for several years.
1850 he was at 1507 67 th Avenue Philadelphia.
No sources for the above (anc tree) - the information probably came via his daughter Frederica who married Captain Christopher George Carr. South Fifteenth Street Philadelphia PA. Sailed for England and made home there.
The Philadelphia Inquirer Philadelphia, Pennsylvania
12 Oct 1897, Tue Page 6
https://www.newspapers.com/clip/69906462/miss-fredrica-j-barrett-12-october/
The U.S., Civil War Draft Registrations Records - Leon Barrett - born 1838 Ireland - aged 25 years
621 Pine Street Philadelphia - sailor - married. 5 March 1863 - 1st Dist. Philadelphia.
Sandra
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Pennsylvania, Septennial Census, 1779-1863 - Leonard Barritt - Birth Year1837 - Age26 - Residence Year 1863 Residence Place Philadelphia Ward 1, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania. Waterman. Household Members - 1 male and 1 wife.
Sandra
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Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, City Directory, 1864 - Leonard D Barrett - Residence Year 1864 - Residence Place Philadelphia, Pennsylvania - Occupation Mariner. McClellan ab Front.
Sandra
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Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, City Directory, 1868 - Leonard D Barrett - Residence Year 1868 Street Address 147 Siegel Residence Place Philadelphia, Pennsylvania - Occupation Seaman.
Many more city directory entries.
Sandra
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We cannot always rely on information given in census but the 1900 - South 15th Street Philadelphia - interestingly says Leonard was born in Ireland and both parents born Ireland.
Sandra
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Another line of enquiry may be to check where the following information comes from which is on anc tree.
John Barrett 1815–1840 born 1815 - County, Tyrone, Northern Ireland
died 1840 - Dundalk, Ireland (or Tyrone, Northern Ireland) - died of consumption.
Sandra
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Wow. Thank you.
Barry
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Screen froze in the middle of a long post so will try again and perhaps post in several sections.
I was asked to have a look at this topic from an Irish records point of view and haven't read through the whole thread so apologies if I'm repeating things which have already been mentioned.
Firstly, I found an Ancestry tree (thinking of starting a petition to ban them!) which says LDB's father John Barrett born c1815 and died 8 Apr.1880 in Co.Tyrone- the source for the latter being R.C. Parish burial register. No indication wife was called Jane or even that he had a wife.
The death certificate, which is also online, gives more, and different details- widower (no indication of wife's Christian name), age 78 (born c1802), date of death 6 April (8 Apr. in register likely burial date, I didn't go back to check) at Aughadulla (agrees with residence in burial register), cause of death- old age, informant- John Barrett of same townland.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1880/06477/4863493.pdf
I didn't look further into this family as I can see no obvious connection with LDB but suspect someone doing the online tree attached this John Barrett as LDB's father based on location (Ireland) and Ancestry suggestion. Perhaps petition to ban Ancestry trees should include banning Ancestry suggestions?
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It's much more likely that LDB, or his family, originated in Armagh area given the prevalence of Barretts using Dobbin as a middle name. Unfortunately, because the 'Dobbin Barrett' combination is so widespread there and goes back so far it may not be possible to sort out LDB's family in Ireland.
There was another Leonard Dobbin Barrett born in Ireland (in Portadown but much later) which might be worth making note of. His birth (1900) gives parents as Jacob Barrett & Jane Frazer. Jacob & Jane's marriage (1890) gives the grooms father as John Dobbin Barrett, farmer.
Now, onto the next tree I found (Family Search)- again submitted so any doubtful bits of information can be added.
This one gives the above Jacob Barrett as Jacob Alfred Barrett born 1848 died 1917. Says Jacob's parents were John Dobbin Barrett (1809-1855) & Mary Walsh (1805-1863). Other children listed are Mary Ann Barrett (1833) married John Fullerton, Eliza Ellenor Barrett (1838), Gregory Wilson Barrett. Note that LDB not mentioned.
I was able to find Gregory Wilson Barrett easily enough in civil records- married 1848 Letitia Harcourt and died 1871 age 56, making Gregory ten years younger than suposed mother and father.
Civil registration of births, deaths & Catholic marriages started in 1864 (non-Catholic marriages from 1845) and the first available census for Ireland is 1901. To find church records (baptism of LDB for example) you'd need to know family's religion and where they lived (parish if not townland not just a county) then see what records survive (not all that do are available online).
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My goodness, this is amazing.
Sandra posted this earlier as the evidence for parent names -
Pennsylvania and New Jersey, U.S., Church and Town Records, 1669-2013 (subscription site)
Leonard Dobbin Barrett - 1836 - aged 26 years - 304 Gaskill Street Philadelphia
Marriage Date: 5 Jul 1862 - Philadelphia, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania.
Denomination Roman Catholic - Church of the Evangelist
Father John Barrett - Mother Jane Barrett - Spouse - Frederick A Rutledge aged 24 years. Parents William and Mary.
Thank you so much for your effort, my family and I are very grateful.
SBDJ
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Leonard Dobbin Barrett - 1836 - aged 26 years - 304 Gaskill Street Philadelphia
Marriage Date: 5 Jul 1862 - Philadelphia, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania.
Denomination Roman Catholic - Church of the Evangelist
Father John Barrett - Mother Jane Barrett - Spouse - Frederick A Rutledge aged 24 years. Parents William and Mary.
Here's what I'm seeing.
Fredricka was Leonard D Barrett's 2nd wife.
Ignore some the dates & places of birth on some records. Who knows who gave what information.
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Fredricka with mother Mary & siblings on 1847 immigration.
Bottom of page
Immigration: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:K8C7-N3B
Top of next page of next page is 2 more siblings George & William
Immigration: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:K8C7-NQ9
I believe George(b.1842) is actually Georgina(b.1842)
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Leonard D Barrett marries Georgina Rutledge 2 May 1860.
The Press
Philadelphia PA
May 5, 1860. Pg 3
(see attached below)
Leonard and Georgina in 1860 census. Census taken 7 June 1860. Ignore POBs and occupation...who knows who gave the information.
1860 Census: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MX5G-RHL
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Georgina died 27 March 1862. Her address is given as 304 Gaskill St.
Dollar Newspaper
Philadelphia, Pennsylvania
April 2, 1862 (see attached below)
BARRETT - On the 27th GEORGINA, wife
of Captain Leonard Barrett, in the 20th year of
her age.
Death:
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:VK8K-DMK
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:J638-9PP
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Leonard remarries 5 July 1862 to Georgina's sister Fredricka. The address given for Leonard is 304 Gaskill St, the same address as is on Georgina's death record.
Marriage: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q2WN-8KJY
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In 1870 the family is living at 1625 2nd St.
1870 Census: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MZRS-P6G
The mother Mary Rutledge died in 1872. Her address is given as 1625 2nd St.
Death:
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:VKZR-ZJX
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:JDKX-L87
She was buried at Odd Fellows Cemetery, the same place Georgina was buried.
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Aghadowey explored the possible "Dobbin" connection in Armagh where the name was turning up but nothing conclusive for Leonard Barrett.
Thank you Aghadowey for spending time going though the thread, over 95 pages, it was very much appreciated.
Quite probably it is true that his father had passed away in 1840 although no documentation to be positive regarding that.
Captain Leonard Barrett was given the schooner Mariquita in 1860 for a trip New York to Africa. This schooner may have been used in the slave trade. ??? He was very young at 19 years 9 months
(again no source given)
This is the quote from ancestry tree " Took charge of schooner, Mariquita. He was paid $80 a month and was directed to sail to Africa and back to New York. At this time Captain Barrett was 19 years 9 months old" Same tree owner also names the first born daughter - Mariquita Georgina Barrett (1861) - although you can see on the 1880 census it was Margaret by then.
Tending to think this has come from a descendant as was the "Stowaway" story.
Perhaps worth an enquiry to ask ? We have been lucky to find a volume of information on Leonard Barrett, the Rutledge family (from where both his wives came) and other descendants.
The original poster has been on line since you joined SBDJ, have you tried to contact him through the personal message system. He was working for a friend who was a very elderly lady back in 2011 and I believe he may have been in contact with a family tree member. So he might have more answers for you.
Another part which caught my eye after several read thru's was reply 32 when Fred said that his friend had corrected herself and thought there may be a link to James Buchanan 1791 - 1868 (not William Harrison) 15th President of the United States, U.S. Congressman, Senator, Diplomat.
He never married, so the link would have had to be from one of his siblings. Quick look though those did not turn anything up to link Buchanan to Barrett. Thousands of anc trees on that family :-\
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Buchanan
There was a marriage in 1826 of a John Barrett to a Jane Buchannon in Armagh. Ireland. Again nothing to connect Leonard Barrett to them.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:WG72-HBN2
Sandra
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I will contact the original poster, thanks for the suggestion.
Don't know the stowaway story. I do know there was a family legend when I was young that once upon a time we had an ancestor who was a ship's captain and that he refused to participate in the slave trade.
I wouldn't argue your descendant theory, I don't have an ancestry account but I do know some of my relatives do, or have had one in the past. I have never heard the story that was posted earlier about Captain Barrett jumping over board to rescue an enslaved person.
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The original poster may have more information than he had back in 2011.
Have you checked out https://chroniclingamerica.loc.gov/ as per the suggestion made back in reply 20. Its amazing where small snippets can be picked up.
Fred gave an account of saving the black slave in reply 40. He would be able to tell you if it was the friends grandmother who was recalling the family tales. Amazing how these can sometimes change with time.
Sandra
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I will check out that link, thanks.
And I just messaged the original poster.
Barry
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It would have been good to have come across a reference to where Leonard was born in Ireland, you do really need that info going back that far. You have made a lot of progress so that is a bonus. :)
Also nice to put faces to names with the photographs of the Barrett's
Good luck Barry.
Sandra
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Thank you ma'am, you really have been amazingly helpful.
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Hello Sandra, you along with others in this group have gone to a lot of trouble, more than a lot, to thread together the bits and pieces I offered. The lady who brought me here asking question has died aged 95, her mother was Ellen Rose Carr the daughter of Fredrica (her spelling of her name) and she was the daughter of Leonard Barrett. Angela was so pleased the story passed down was fact so thank you all for helping me to achieve that for her. Fredrica's story to her telling of her "Uncle Joe Foster" a gambler being killed in a gunfight was true, Ida Ellen Ruttledge was Joe Fosters wife, she remained in San Antonio until her death in 1918?
1918 is when Angela's mother Ellen Rose visited the US to see family in Philadelphia with her mother Fredrica, that's when they were given several items, Joe Foster's silver ring and a silver name plate. Recently Angela's son gave me a few photo's to copy and share on Ancestry.co, he found them among his mothers things, they show Leonard Barrett's first daughter by his first wife Georgina Catherine Rutledge, the daughter was called Mariguita Georgina, but from the detail on the back of the photo it looks like she was Quita to her family. A second photo is Fredrica Jane taken on the same day 9th August 1865 at "Grooms Photograph Gallery, Philadelphia. A third photo is Fredrica's mother, Leonards second wife, Frederica Alicia Rutledge taken in 1896 in Atlantic City, the detail on the back says Alicia Rutledge so it was obviously the name she used.
I think I've achieved all I can with this family, the majority of decedents are obviously in the US, but as I found with my own family, some in the US had no idea there were other branches of the family in other states. take care Fred