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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Tyrone => Topic started by: Tirohanga on Monday 06 June 11 01:22 BST (UK)
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I'm looking for any relations of my Samuel who was born around 1822.His father was listed as Samuel, mother Annie Herching ( I have wondered if Erskine may be her name as pronuciation may of been a problem back then). Samuel married Margaret Anderson in 1858 Donaghmore,Don, they had three sons born Samuel Patrick,William Fife and John James then they came to New Zealand in 1863 on the Queen of Beauty,but only Samuel is listed on passenger list. I found a Mary Moody came out on the Louisa in 1865 with Samuel,William and John this could be my family.They were living in Strabane when they came to NZ and owned a Mill. Margarets father is listed as David her mother was an Eady. John Anderson came to NZ and died 1943 he left all his estate to his siblings David,Samuel,Mary and Annabella all of Co. Tyrone. Does anyone have these names in their tree. John was a relation to Margaret but we don't know how.He was the same age as her children. He never married. Samuel and Margaret settled in Opotiki NZ and had 4 more sons,Oliver,Joseph,George Septimus and Thomas.Other names of grandchildren were Lavinia,Lewis(Louis),Stewart(said to be family name). The Fife name could be family name also. Story has it that the Moodies came from Paisley Renfrewshire in 1600's but we cannot confirm.I hope someone can add to my story from their family. We are going to hold a reunion for 2013 to commemorate 150 yrs in NZ.
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Hi,
These marriages may be of interest.
Patrick Moody married Jane Stuart in Ardstraw Presbyterian Church, Ardstraw, Strabane on 15th June 1848
William Fyffe
married Rebecca Moody in Drumlegagh Presbyterian Church, Ardstraw, Strabane on 17th March 1852
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Hi,
Griffiths Valuation ( a survey of all property in Ireland between 1847 and 1864) shows that in 1858 Samuel Moody rented a farm of 48 acres ( large in Irish terms) and a flax-mill from the Marquis of Abercorn in Drumlegagh.
Regards
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Thanks for both those replies.
I had found Patrick Moody and made a connection to his family in Australia but they can not confirm anymore information as there are several Samuel Moody's in Ireland.Also Rebecca Moody I thought could be a sibling but have not found any body who has her on their tree.
Lets hope someone sees our posts.
It sounds like the flax-mill in 1858 could be my family as they were wealthy when they came out to NZ as they paid their own passage.
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These photos are of Samuel Patrick Moody snr and his sons Samuel Patrick jnr,William Fife,John James,Oliver,Joseph, George Septimus,Thomas.
One that I can't identify but his family appears again in another photo and he appears in a photo with some of the other sons.
The person standing was taken in Dublin. The photograher was Moore his address 115 Grafton St opposite Trinity College Dublin the emblem in the middle between Moore and address says Highest Awards.I have not found any information on this photogragher to give me a time period. This photo was in the Moody album so it could be a Moody or Anderson.
Does any of these men have a likeness to any other family out there that could be connected.
Thanks for reading my post
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The person standing was taken in Dublin. The photograher was Moore his address 115 Grafton St opposite Trinity College Dublin the emblem in the middle between Moore and address says Highest Awards.I have not found any information on this photogragher to give me a time period. ......
There's a James Moore photographer, age 38, listed as one of the occupants of 115 Grafton street on the 1901 census - see : link (http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Dublin/South_City/Grafton_Street/1304962/)
In earlier directory listings (1850s/60s) the address is listed is a Thos. Cranfield, with trades of 'printseller publisher & frame maker', and adds photographer to his list of professions in about 1880. Thomas is listed up to at least 1894, but must have died sometime before 1901 as his wife Edith is listed at one of the other sections of 115 Grafton street, as a widow.
Maybe James Moore took over the over the photography business after Thomas died ?
Shane
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Thank you Shane,will have a look at link
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some more information on Mr Moore - it seems his business moved from Grafton Street sometime between 1901 and 1904, as he is listed at a different address in Thom's 1904 and number 115 is undergoing renovations by it's new owners :
114 & 115 Grafton Street, Rebuilding for the Northern Banking Co.
4 Nassau Street, James Moore, photographer,
Shane
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Thanks Shane, now I know this person must be a relation to my family as the photo was taken after they came to NZ. John Anderson came out around 1881, so it's not him.
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Put some of the female members photos on here and see where we go from there maybe someone in Ireland has the same photos in their album
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It was quite common to send photos back 'home' to Ireland to the relatives and close friends. In this case it could have been the same idea in reverse- photo sent to someone who'd left Ireland- but that really don't mean that the person is definitely related. We have several very old photographs in old albums of people who were not related.
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i understand where you are coming from just thought it may just jog a memory some how and thanks for the replie
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I have some photos of ladies that we can't identify which family they belong to. They were in William Fife and his wife Harriet (nee Ball)Moody album. Also I have a photo of their daughter Mary who was brought up by Samuel and Margaret and she was like a sister to the younger Moody sons as there was only about 10 yrs between them. The photo of four sons when they were younger.
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Hello Tirohanga,
I must say that I really enjoyed seeing your photo's that you so graciously shared here. I don't have a bit of info regarding your Samuel Patrick MOODY's line, but can share this much with you.
You mentioned that you believed your line came out of the Paisley, Renfrewshire, Scotland area before coming to Nor. Ireland.
Well it just so happens that our proven Ydna MOODY (poss. Mudie early on / Moodie) line may have too.
We have direct intermarriage with the McQUISTON (McCuistion various spellings of this name - see anciently Clan UISDEAN in Scotland), family line and some of their ancestors were from Paisley, Renfrewshire too. Google or Bing Alexander McCUISTION of Paisley, Renfrew, Scotland (that spelling of the last name and some info should come up which will involve our Ydna MOODY cousins family).
Our earliest known and proven not only via Ydna (genetic) testing and documented genealogy was a Thomas MOODY b.c1710 in/of Aghadowey, Co. L'derry, Nor. Ireland whose 1st wife was Jean McCUISTON (McQuiston) daug. of Benjamin McQuiston.
They came to America around c1735 with a Robert McCuiston and a bunch of others, landing in New Castle, PA (now Delaware).
They then removed to Guilford Co., North Carolina and their descendants have spread all over the U.S.
I have recently posted some info to the MOODY board at GenForum about these Paisley, Scotland MOODIE's etc. I don't know that any of it will help you.
There was an early Patrick MUDIE in the old Presbyterian church records at Ballykelly, Nor. Ireland (baptism records) , also another Ydna link to MUDIE's/Moodie's we have which has been proven again via Ydna and documented genealogy is to a n Alexander MUDIE/Moodie/MOODY of Lenamore/Magilligan, Co. L'derry, Nor. Ireland who m. Priscilla DICK. Many of their descendants went to Australia and some are now living in New Zealand as well. They link to an Abraham James Hopkins MOODY line.
Thanks again for sharing and good luck with your research.
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Thanks Nona Anon for your info.
Will try and locate Alexander Moody in NZ family and will look at your posts on Gen forum.
I'm sure if we keep looking the key must be found to unlock our family history.
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Hi Tirohanga,
Yes, I believe the answers are out there somewhere. To let you know a bit more, another of our proven Ydna MOODY ancestors as I mentioned before was an Alexander MOODY b.c1747 who m. Priscilla DICK. His line of Moody's per family tradition and stories told (which can be found at PRONI), state that his family came over from Fifeshire, Scotland. This is the area around Dunfermline, Dysart, Wemyss etc. on the mid east coast of Scotland. My own Moody family states that our Moody's link to the Capt. George MOODIE of the ship the Cutty Sark. Capt. Geo. Moodie was also from Fifeshire, Wemyss, Dysart area...the same area as the Moody's to whom we share proven Ydna with. However, I have been unable thus far to link my family line to Capt. George Moodie's.
Anyway, in the earliest records we've been able to find in the area of Nor. Ireland where our known Moody's went to church were from the late 1600's to the early 1700 Baptism records of the Ballykelly Presbyterian Church in Co. L'derry.
There we found an Alexander MUDIE (spelled that way in the oldest common form of our surname), whose daughter Margaret MUDIE was being baptized in 1700. Alexander was from "Maglogan" (a misspelling of Magilligan). There was also a Patrick MUDY, Edward MUDIE, James MUDIE etc. Sons that were baptized in these early records were Robert MUDIE, Joseph MUDIE and I believe a John MUDIE...all baptized before 1710 in the same church. These were all no doubt related and no doubt part of our earliest Ydna family line from Scotland to the Lenamore/Magilligan area of Nor. Ireland. Alexander Moody and Priscilla Dick had known sons John MOODY who m. Mary HOPKINS and Israel MOODY who m. Elizabeth CASKEY. Israel and family in 1841 removed to Kings Co., Nova Scotia, Canada where my own exact matching MOODY family line also lives.
This was quite a find and surprise to say the least. So all of these lines were/are no doubt interconnected.
I have 3 books on the early lines of the Moody/Moodie/Mudie families...The Moodie Book publ. in 1906, The Mudies of Angus publ. in the 1950's and the Mudie's of Dundee publ. in the 1990's. One of our Ydna links in New Zealand states that their MOODY family came from Dundee, Scotland. A recently found onlinie genealogy from the line of Alexander MOODY and Priscilla DICK also shows one of the descendatns being born in Dundee, Scotland, however none of the others were so I think it might be in error.
There were also early MOODIE's in Co. Tyrone which I also think ~might~ somehow link in to our Moody's of Co. L'derry. Some of them lived in Strabane on the Abercorn Estate. The names were Samuel, John, Matthew, Henry, Andrew etc. as I recall. The records were also found at PRONI which I have around here somewhere. Hope this extra bit is helpful to you somehow. Take care and if you find anything please stay in touch.
Good Luck to you in your own research.
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Thanks Nona Anon,In any of those books on the Moody's does it mention a Theodore going way back. Also any scandal that the family would want hidden (reason for leaving Scotland or Ireland). I have seen a recent Theodore Moody wrote a book about Ireland, never read it.
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Hi again,
The Theodore Moody you spoke of who has written or contributed writings to about Ireland, from what I understand, his family were Quakers. Most of ours were Presbyterian/Congregational. I do not recall any Theodore's in any of the books I have.
It is my own opinion and The Mudie's of Angus book seems to hint at it as well, that there was some sort of rift in the Moodie/Mudie/Moody family which again seems to ~hint~ at possibly political or religious reasons for some of the splits in the family. There is nothing more said and there is Very Little said about any of them going to Nor. Ireland, however we Know that some of them were there.
Wish I could be of more help to you but its almost as if, someone wanted to purposely destroy our family tree and the link back to Scotland. I have an idea that weather, bad storage, and perhaps fire or other problems are the reasons behind it being so difficult. I have been researching my own Moody family tree for almost 30 years now, with the last 17 of them being nearly every day and at least every week, and I have found Nothing yet that solidly connects to Any of the Moody (all spellings) lines coming out of Anywhere on the earth. I've searched high and low and continue to stare at that Brick Wall.
I have Very Good supporting evidence for which branches our Moody's may have come from, but nothing other than the Ydna results from North Ireland to show for it. That's been a Great help but we need More participants From Scotland to do the tests.
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Thanks Nona Anon for your last bit of info, I think you are right. Will try and get our Moody men to do dna test in NZ.
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do you have any more photos of the moodie family as iam a directed descendent of this line and they lived in the fife area as well as Dunfermline, scone , bathgate, wells ect i was told that my line of moodies that they had piercing blue eyes and that includes the men to thow black and white or sepia photos hard to tell especially if they where dark blue and looking at your photos the four men look like they have piecing blue eyes
many thanks hannah
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Hi all, I am related to Samuel and Margaret Moody, Their son John James came to NZ with them as an infant. One of the sons of John James Moody was John Henry Moody born 1899 and died 1955. He is my Great Grandfather. John Henry had four Daughters and a son from his first Marriage, then a son and Daughter from his second Marriage. ( both are still alive.)
John Henry's son from the first Marriage is John James Moody born 1922-23?. He is my Grandfather.
If at all possible I am after a photo of John Henry Moody and information on John James born 1922-23.
I have J.J,s timeline through to 1949. When his Father John Henry died in 1955, J.J. didn't claim his inheritance for the probate ( 1956 ) with the files stating "he has probably changed his name and left the Country". Last known facts is that he served time for four charges of Fraud by Credit in 1949. He was also known as Danny Morgan "The Irish Tenor " and was singing in Concert around NZ in 1948. Any information would be fantastic.