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If anyone is researching the name Kinvig please get in touch with me.
Thank you:)
mab
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Hi,
My name is Jackie, and I am researching Kinvigs in the Isle of Man.
My GGGG Grand Father Thomas KINVIG b. 5.09.1784 Arbory IOM married 28.5.1809 Braddon, IOM.. to Isabella CURPHEY b. 28.12.1784 Douglas IOM.
Their daughter Eliza b. 20.06.1815 married William MUNCASTER.
I have got a bit further back on the KINVIG line if, this line interests you.
My email is
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Cheers
Jackie
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It's a while ago that I left that message and it's very nice to know that someone finally replied ;D
I have the Kinvig line I'm researching back to William Kenvigg 1615 and forward to the death of my husband's grandmother in 1949. The line starts in Arbory and then they moved to Liverpool between 1851 and 1861.
It was a hard slog but now that more records are on line it's a heck of a lot easier.
I have quite an extensive tree but unfortunately I don't have any of the names you mentioned on it.
mab
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Thanks for the reply.
My Kinvigs (Kenvigg) go back to
John Kinvegg 1615 and Ellen Beggagh (Bodaugh)
and their son
John Kinvig abt 1640 Arbory and Elizabeth (Bessie Cubbon).
All the best with your research
Jackie
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For some reason I'm not getting notices of your posts ???
I also have a John Kinvig 1640 married to a Bessie (Elizabeth) Cubbon but I have John's father as William Kenvigg.
I have no proof of this except some research done on behalf of one of the Kneen family who was researching her husband's Kinvig family tree.
http://www.kneen.com/Kinvig.htm
Bessie Cubbon's mother was Christian Crosse and her father was Fin or Phinlo Cubbon.
The Kinvig family came into possession of Ballagrenia (Ballagreyney) in Arbory through this marriage to Bessie Cubbon. There was a contract bargain.
There is a summary here if you look at the 1674 entry for Christian Cubon nee Crosse.
http://www.isle-of-man.com/manxnotebook/famhist/willsums/ay1699.htm
Phinlo died in 1680. His death is mentioned here under 1680/81 entry #016.
http://www.isle-of-man.com/manxnotebook/famhist/wills/smy168x.htm
mab
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Hi mab,
You are right with William, my error. I do have William m. Ellen Beddagh , for some reason I wrote John, sorry about the error.
I had Bessie's parents as Chriatian Crosse and Phinlo Cubbon with a question mark.
Thanks for your reply.
Jackie
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So now you have me curious as to how you are related to John and Bessie. My husband is descended from their son John.
My husband's grandmother was a Kinvig ;D
mab
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Ok, in brief -
John Kinvig, b @1640 m 1663 Bessie Cubbon
John Kinvig b@1665 m 1685 Alice Quayle
William Kinvig b @ 1685 m 1711 Catherine Costin
John Kinvig b @ 1712 m 1730 Joney Corrin
John Kinvig b 1730 m 1750 Ann Moore
Thomas Kinvig b 1753 m 1776 Elizabeth Clague
Thomas Kinvig b 1784 m 1809 Isabella Curphey
Eliza Kinvig b 1815 m 1836 William Muncaster.
There my Kinvig line ends.
Where does our common ancestor start ??
Cheers
Jackie
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Hello Jackie :)
John Kinvig, b @1640 m 1663 Bessie Cubbon...yes
John Kinvig b@1665 m 1685 Alice Quayle...yes
William Kinvig b @ 1685 m 1711 Catherine Costin...yes
John Kinvig b @ 1712 m 1730 Joney Corrin...yes
Then...
William Kinvig @ 1737 m to Margaret Juke in 1768
John Kinvig @ 1779 m to Jane Cubbon in 1807
Henry Kinvig @ 1825 m to Eliza Jane Callister (2nd wife) in 1872
John Kinvig @ 1873 m to Lilian Mary O'Neill in 1898
Elsie Amiee Kinvig @ 1901 died 1949
mab
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Hi all I have been doing my family tree for a couple of months now and my 3rd great grandma was called Margaret kinrig/kinvig can't read the writing properly she married a William radcliffe he was born around 1817 in arbory Isle of man...do you have any extra info it would be much appreciated. Thanx Andrea...
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Could this be her burial?
11th August 1847
Arbory, Isle of Man
Margaret Raddcliffe or Kinvig, age 90
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Hi all I have been doing my family tree for a couple of months now and my 3rd great grandma was called Margaret kinrig/kinvig can't read the writing properly she married a William radcliffe he was born around 1817 in arbory Isle of man...do you have any extra info it would be much appreciated. Thanx Andrea...
Yes she is in the family tree that I have worked on for some time now. She is my husband's 1st cousin 4x's removed ;D
I have a family tree on Ancestry.uk called The Tate Family Tree......http://person.ancestry.co.uk/tree/3397183/person/6908975872/facts
Margaret married William Radcliffe on 04 Nov 1843 in Arbory.
Her parents were Thomas Kinvig and Jane Quayle. Thomas' parents were William Kinvig @ 1737 m to Margaret Juke in 1768.
I found the following Radcliffe children for Margaret and William: William abt 1844, Thomas abt 1847, Ann abt 1850, James abt 1853, John abt 1856, Jane about 1859, Margaret abt 1861, Mary abt 1863.
Then again I could be wrong but I have been researching the Kinvig lines for some time now. I can get the line back some considerable time.
mab
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I see there are a lot of Radcliffe wills on the following site
www.mannincloud.info
I hope this helps.
Also has lots of other Manx info.
Good luck.
Jackie
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Hi
My KINVIG tree is recorded on my fathers website www.kneen.com sadly my dad passed away in April and I will be taking over the up keep once things have settled
I don't have any other info at the moment
Angie KINVIG Moore ( nee Kneen )
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Thank you so much everybody...not been able to get online this week so I will look at all this info properly Tomoz...thanx again everybody finally some hope I was completely stuck......
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until 20th century 95% of Kinvigs were in Arbory or Malew with a few in Rushen (the southern parishes of the Island)
www.imuseum.im should help you on most of the parish registers (tho the marriage reg pre 1729 for Arbory is lost)
I have on my website (www.manxnotebook.com) summarised most 18th C wills - my CD Rom has many more details of their landholding which will be required to really track the families
- A W Moore in his Manx Names (see www,manxnotebook.com) has the earliest date for name of 1641 but there are earlier notes in various records post 1600 - I'm not 100% convinced by his derivation of the name tho
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Hello Jackie :)
John Kinvig, b @1640 m 1663 Bessie Cubbon...yes
John Kinvig b@1665 m 1685 Alice Quayle...yes
William Kinvig b @ 1685 m 1711 Catherine Costin...yes
John Kinvig b @ 1712 m 1730 Joney Corrin...yes
Then...
William Kinvig @ 1737 m to Margaret Juke in 1768
John Kinvig @ 1779 m to Jane Cubbon in 1807
Henry Kinvig @ 1825 m to Eliza Jane Callister (2nd wife) in 1872
John Kinvig @ 1873 m to Lilian Mary O'Neill in 1898
Elsie Amiee Kinvig @ 1901 died 1949
mab
Hello mab,
It was so wonderful to find your post about the Kinvig family.
My husband's 10th great grandparents were John Kinvig and Elizabeth (Bessie) Cubbon.
John Kinvig, b 1640 m 1663 Bessie Cubbon...yes
John Kinvig b1665 m 1685 Alice Quayle...yes
William Kinvig b 1685 m 1711 Catherine Costin...yes
John Kinvig b 1712 m 1730 Joney Corrin...yes
Then...
Jane Kinvig b 1731 m 1759 William Taylor - Arbory
Jony Taylor b 1766 m 1788 William Crebbin - Rushen
Catharine Crebbin b 1795 m 1821 Thomas Nelson -- Rushen
Catharine Nelson b 1826 m 1853 John Coole - Malew
Jane Coole b 1862 m 1887 Robert Joseph Cain (e) - Douglas / Braddan
Elizabeth Jane Cain (Janey) 1894 Douglas Isle of Man possible death 1918 Chestire England
Edna Cain (Williams) b 1915 Liverpool Lancs d Abt 1973 Manchester England
Terence Arthur Williams b1939 d 2002 Manchester England.
Margaret
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Hello Margaret :)
This is exciting after all these years.
I have all that you have listed up til "Jony Taylor b 1766 m 1788 William Crebbin - Rushen" I didn't know that Jony had married William Crebbin etc so thank you for that.
I did get the Kinvigs and Cubbons back one more level.
William Kenvigg abt 1615ish.
Father of John Kinvig that married Bessie Cubbon.
It's been so long since I looked at that part of the tree I can't remember why I decided that William was ours but I think it was because of this tree......http://www.kneen.com/Kinvig.htm
The owner of the site who was a Brian Kneen has sadly passed away. Many years ago we had a few discussions about the Kinvigs. The tree was created by his daughter and she did have some professional help in compiling it so I decided to go with that info.
Now for Bessie Cubbon I have firm research.
Elizabeth "Bessie" Cubbon was the daughter of Phinlo "Fin" Cubbon. Fin was born abt 1620 an died 09 Dec 1680. There was a will and I have a picture of it. Basically he leaves his goods to his daughter Ellin, son Thomas and his wife Christian Cubbon. Bessie is not mentioned but she had already been endowed in another manner in 1663.
Christian Cubbon nee Crosse was Bessie's mother. There was a marriage contract and a precis of the details of Bessie's endowment is on the Manx Notebook but I can't see where there is a search facility to find it.
Basically in 1663 Christian Cubbon sets up an arrangement whereby the land owned by her and her husband Fin will ultimately go to her daughter Bessy upon the death of Christian. This is how the Kinvig family came into possession of Ballagrenia (Ballagreyney) in Arbory.
Mary Ann aka mab :D
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Margaret
Found the link.....http://www.isle-of-man.com/manxnotebook/famhist/willsums/ay1699.htm
Tab down to "1674-1 e 311 dg CUBON Christian CROSSE"
mab
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Hi Mary Ann,
I agree, this is exciting!
My husband's paternal line has been extremely challenging as his father was fostered as was his paternal grandmother Edna Cain, however, through persistance along with DNA matches, we have been able to find many of his ancestors.
I find the Kinvig line extremely interesting as it can be traced so far back in time. Thank you so much for sharing all this information which will take me a while to assimilate.
I haven't been able to find a marriage for Jony Taylor and William Crebbin, which I estimate would have taken place abt 1787 probably in Rushen IOM. Nor have I found a death date for Jony as yet.
Margaret
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Margaret
Found the link.....http://www.isle-of-man.com/manxnotebook/famhist/willsums/ay1699.htm
Tab down to "1674-1 e 311 dg CUBON Christian CROSSE"
mab
Thank you Mary Ann for posting this link and also to Frances_mnb for such an incredible website.
I found the summary of wills for both Christian Cubon nee Crosse (1674) and Phinlo Cubon (1680). This is great!
I also found a summary of a will for William Crebbin dated 23 April 1799 - Rushen in which his four daughters, including our Catharine and wife Joney als Taylor are mentioned. I have his burial - IOM Burial Index on 24 April 1799 at Rushen.
I didn't know that William Crebbin and Joney Taylor had a daughter called Jane, who is listed first in his will summary. The other daughters are: Margaret bapt 1790, Eleanora 1797 and Catharine 1795 - a son, William bap 1793 is not mentioned in the will summary for some reason.
Margaret :)
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I couldn't find a marriage myself. I looked on imuseum and found one for a Judith Taylor to a William Crebbin in Rushen on 10 May 1788 and I wondered if it was a typo. So I looked at the original copy on Family Search and it is Judith :-\
mab
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William bap 1793 is not mentioned in the will summary for some reason.
Margaret :)
Perhaps William died before the date of the will.
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So I looked for a baptism for Jane Crebbin and I found one in Rushen dated 04 May 1788. Parents William Crebbin and Judith Taylor.
Could Joney and Judith be one and the same :-\
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Jony ==Judith
the heir at law (eldest male child or if no male children eldest daughter) is not always mentioned as they will inherit any property subject to any widowright
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Thank you for that info Frances.
mab :)
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William Crebbin died in 1799. His last child was born in 1797. He must have been fairly youngish and would have left Joney/Judith a widow with children.
I found a marriage in Rushen of a William Clucas to a Judith Crebbin widow on 20 Feb 1804. It's too bad that her previous maiden name isn't mentioned but it could be her :)
mab
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Hope this link works.
https://www.mannincloud.info/wills/179/1799_025.html
Will of William Crebbin 1799
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look at Judith Clucas's admin 1838 - her only son Wm Crebbin by a former husband appt administrator - court 28 May 1838
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Where is that info located as I've been looking about for her death in 1838.
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where most administrations land up - Episcopal wills under Rushen book 1 1838 - email me (see my web site - I don't do PMs) and you can have a photo
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Will do :)
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Nor have I found a death date for Jony as yet.
Margaret
Thanks to Frances we now know that Joney/Judith Crebbin nee Taylor married William Clucas.
Judith Clucas was buried 29 Oct 1837, Rushen parish at the age of 71. You can find these details on
www.imuseum.im
If you haven't used this site before let me know.
mab
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I couldn't find a marriage myself. I looked on imuseum and found one for a Judith Taylor to a William Crebbin in Rushen on 10 May 1788 and I wondered if it was a typo. So I looked at the original copy on Family Search and it is Judith :-\
mab
Goodness - you have been busy!!! This is a fantastic result - So much to take in.
Yes, the name Judith would have confused me as well - thankfully, along with Frances_mnb's knowlege of interchangeable Manx names your hunch paid off. :)
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So I looked for a baptism for Jane Crebbin and I found one in Rushen dated 04 May 1788. Parents William Crebbin and Judith Taylor.
Could Joney and Judith be one and the same :-\
Yes indeed and a new 5th great aunt to add to the family. I notice that Jane was privately Baptised on 4 May and was received into the Congregation on 18 May - 8 days after her parents William and Jony (Judith) marriage.
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Jony ==Judith
the heir at law (eldest male child or if no male children eldest daughter) is not always mentioned as they will inherit any property subject to any widowright
Thank you for this - your timing was perfect re Jony = Judith - so much to learn. 8)
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William Crebbin died in 1799. His last child was born in 1797. He must have been fairly youngish and would have left Joney/Judith a widow with children.
I found a marriage in Rushen of a William Clucas to a Judith Crebbin widow on 20 Feb 1804. It's too bad that her previous maiden name isn't mentioned but it could be her :)
mab
Good find mab! I note they were married at Arbory, Judith being a widow from the Parish of Rushen Also there are two marriage indexes (indices?) - one for 20th Feb 1804 and the other 28th Feb - On the image it is written as 2∅th Feb 1∅04, indicating 28th may be the correct one. What do you think?
Margaret
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Hope this link works.
https://www.mannincloud.info/wills/179/1799_025.html
Will of William Crebbin 1799
Yes the link worked fine thank you mabs - this is so good! All five children are mentioned in the Will along with Jony.
Margaret
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much of this info is freely available on www.manxnotebook.com but I found few family history researchers are willing to do even basic research on the society they are attempting to dredge names from
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Nor have I found a death date for Jony as yet.
Margaret
Thanks to Frances we now know that Joney/Judith Crebbin nee Taylor married William Clucas.
Judith Clucas was buried 29 Oct 1837, Rushen parish at the age of 71. You can find these details on
www.imuseum.im
If you haven't used this site before let me know.
mab
imuseum is wonderful - I found Judith's burial details without any difficulty. This branch is certainly flourishing - I really appreciate all your hard work :D
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Good find mab! I note they were married at Arbory, Judith being a widow from the Parish of Rushen Also there are two marriage indexes (indices?) - one for 20th Feb 1804 and the other 28th Feb - On the image it is written as 2∅th Feb 1∅04, indicating 28th may be the correct one. What do you think?
Margaret
I saw the original record on Family Search. The confusion may be because of the old script. You can see that it should be the 20th...well in my humble opinion :)
https://www.familysearch.org/search/record/results?q.givenName=william&q.surname=clucas&q.marriageLikeDate.from=1804&q.marriageLikeDate.to=1804&f.recordCountry=Isle%20of%20Man&c.marriageLikeDate1=on&f.marriageLikeDate0=1800&count=20&offset=0&m.defaultFacets=on&m.queryRequireDefault=on&m.facetNestCollectionInCategory=on
Try this link and then refresh the page. You can see the original.
mab
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the official 1911 transcription of registers had 28 Feb 1804 - if there is a second record then that is possibly a relict of the bane of the old IGI which managed to turn the silk purse of an excellent transcription into a sow's ear by selecting 'patron submitted' entries to replace many readings - catch is many of these patrons were totally unfamiliar with 18thC hand etc etc + the nonsense just built up
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much of this info is freely available on www.manxnotebook.com but I found few family history researchers are willing to do even basic research on the society they are attempting to dredge names from
It's been just over a year since my husband discovered that the vast majority of his paternal line were born and bred in the Isle of Man - He hasn't visited the Island yet, however has become as fascinated as I, not only by it's history but all aspects of life there and is keen to discover as much as possible about his ancestors and his ancestral homeland. Thank you once again for the opportunity to explore and learn from your site - Ta keeayll ommidiys ny sloo my t'ee ee dooinney creeney dy reayll - "Wisdom is folly unless a wise man keeps it." From www.manxnotebook.com Chapter X Proverbs and Sayings [From Folklore of the Isle of Man, A.W.Moore, 1891]
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the official 1911 transcription of registers had 28 Feb 1804 - if there is a second record then that is possibly a relict of the bane of the old IGI which managed to turn the silk purse of an excellent transcription into a sow's ear by selecting 'patron submitted' entries to replace many readings - catch is many of these patrons were totally unfamiliar with 18thC hand etc etc + the nonsense just built up
Thank you Frances_mnb - yet again this highlights the importance of seeking out the official registers where they exist. I appreciate you taking the time to clarify and assist in ensuring that we have the correct information and guiding us to the source.
Margaret
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To complete my husband's line his 3rd great grandparent's were:
Philiip Cain b 1836 Braddan Isle of Man Bap 16 Oct 1836 Saint Luke's Baldwin died 21 Jan 1910 Camlork Braddan.
His parents were Phillip Cain 1802 - 1875 Braddan and Catharine Ann Waterson 1812 - 1884 Braddan.
Phillip married 14 May 1864 Braddan IOM - Mary Ann Corkill bap 1840 Baldwin died 28 Feb 1921 Pleasant Cottage Strang Isle of Man.
Her parents were William Corkill b1802 Onchan d 1882 Douglas, Farmer Ballakewish Braddan (1851 and 1861 census) and Margaret Quirk b 1810 Braddan d 1887 Douglas Isle of Man.
Philip Cain and Mary Ann Corkill had 9 children including Robert Joseph Cain born 1865 Braddan, bap 30 Mar 1865 Saint Luke's Baldwin and died 7 Jul 1935 Pleasant Cottage Strang Isle of Man.
Philip Cain was a farmer at Ulican and later Camlork.
Margaret :)
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Hello again
Thank you for the info. I will put it on my tree plus it's good to record for future researchers.
Take care :)
mab
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I’ve been searching high and low for any record of my great grandmother Minnie Kinvig of the IOM. My dads entire family passed away years ago and he knows next to nothing about his heritage except he had a Grandmother named
Minnie Kinvig from IOM. From what I have found I believe her parents were William Kinvig and Lizzie McCarthy but I’m not 100%. I’m guessing they were born in the late 1800s, which isn’t much help. Is there anything you ca provide or any direction to point me? It would mean so much to give my dad info that he’s longed to know for his 70th bday next month. There are just so many Williams I don’t know what to do. I’d truly appreciate any guidance. Thank you so much for your time. Kim
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ManxBMD.com is showing:
Minnie Kinvig, birth registered at Castletown, 1879
1881 census:
Reference: RG11; Piece: 5607; Folio: 41; Page: 9
Castletown, Isle of Man
Elizabeth Kinvig Head F 32 Fisherman's Wife born: British Subject, America
Edward Kinvig Son M 11 British Subject, America
Robert Kinvig Son M 9 British Subject, America
Frank Kinvig Son M 5 British Subject, America
Minnie Kinvig Daughter F 1 b Castletown, IoM
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kimmyjhansen,
If you make 2 more posts (any old garbage!) the Private Message Ssyem will be open to you.
You can then send me your email address privately, and I can send you some information I have found.
Elizabeth and sons Edward, Robert and Frank were all born in USA.
On the US 1870 census, Lizzie (Elizabeth) was in Nevada City, Gilpin, Colorado.
Her stated place of birth was Indiana.
On UK 1911 census, she was living in Castletown (IoM), a widow, born Indiana.
"British Subject by parentage."
From the UK 1901 census:
Frank was living in Birkenhead, with wife Martha, place of Birth USA.
Robert was in West Derby (Liverpool), with wife Frances. Place of birth USA.
Edward was still on IOM; in Castletown, with wife Katherine Maria, place of birth Washington, Indiana.
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Isle of Man 1901 census:
Mill Street, Castletown
William Kinvig Head M 42 Labourer Coal Yard b Arbory, IoM
Elizabeth Kinvig Wife F 51 b USA, British Subject
Meta Kinvig Daughter F 18 b Castletown
Joseph Kinvig Son M 13 b Castletown
Henry Kinvig Son M 12 b Castletown
Eda Kinvig Granddaughter F 1 b Castletown
So that ties in husband William ;D
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kimmyjhansen
I'm sorry but I didn't get notification about your post on Rootschat. I have Minnie Kinvig on my husband's tree. Not related to him but someone in her family married someone in his.
If you need any further info let me know.
mab