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I am interested in William Tedford, who married (Mary) Margaret McGee/ Magee in 1850 in Tartaraghan, Armagh and emigrated to Australia in 1855 on the Ramillies with 2 young daughters, Abigail and Mary. He was possibly born in Glencoe, Armagh. He died 1909 and was buried in Drayton cemetery, Toowoomba, Qld, Australia. Margaret’s parents are listed in Qld bdm of her death in 1871 as Robert McGee and Jane Sloane.
William’s death listing in Qld bdm in 1909 shows his parents as Thomas Tedford and Mary, but some secondary sources list his mother as Abby/ Abigail Lyett/ Lyat/ Lyaught. After his arrival in Australia, he married Elizabeth née Prosser in Berrima NSW (possibly b Bridgwater, Gloucestershire, Eng, with parents possibly John Prosser and Elizabeth Poole) but previously married to George Seaniger, possibly with parents William and Hannah Goulding. She died 1899 in Glenvale, Australia and was buried in Drayton cemetery, Toowoomba Qld, Australia.
A Thomas Tedford came to Qld, Australia on the Golconda in 1865, 58y, with Shrah/ Sarah 54y and John, 12y. She died In 1899 75y in Qld with parents John Morrow and Mary and is listed as being born in Ireland.
I’d love to know if Thomas Tedford married a Mary separately, Abigail Lyett and Sarah Morrow, or perhaps Mary Abigail Lyett then Sarah Morrow? Who was William’s mother?
Any information about any of these people would be greatly appreciated.
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Hello
Please see my ancestor search below
William Tedford1
b. 1830
William Tedford was born about 1830.1 William Tedford married Margaret McGee circa 1855.2
Child of William Tedford and Margaret McGee
• Esther Tedford+1 b. circa 1860, d. 1930
Margaret McGee1
Margaret McGee married William Tedford circa 1855.1
Child of Margaret McGee and William Tedford
• Esther Tedford+1 b. circa 1860, d. 1930
Esther Tedford is my wife's great grandmother. We have not been able to track William & Margaret's origins.
Can you help
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Hi
This is a summary of what I have found out so far about Esther Tedford:
b: ≈ 1860 U 18 FEB 1857 in WAMBO FOREST, Qld, Australia RW
m1: 1881/C408 Tedford Esther Shafer Frederick Q Frederick SHAFER b: in WIRTEMBERG, GERMANY m 3 DEC 1881 in St Matthews Church, DRAYTON, Australia RW
m2: 1885/C224 Schafer Esther Birrer Adolf Q
d: 1930 U 1930/C3181 Esther Birrer William Margaret Q
bu: Esk cem. Birrer, Esther, bur. 5 Sep 1930, age: 72yr, W E Hawkins FH, Grave #616 I
Sources:
I: http://www.interment.net/Default.htm
Q: http://www.justice.qld.gov.au/justice-services/births-deaths-and-marriages/family-history-research/search-our-historical-records
R: http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/
RW: http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/
U: http://www.theycametheystayed.com/index.htm
The shipping information about William and Thomas came from http://www.archives.qld.gov.au/research/index/immigration.asp search for Tedford
and http://www.records.nsw.gov.au/state-archives/guides-and-finding-aids/nrs-lists/nrs-5316
looking for the Ramillies 1855 after using the http://srwww.records.nsw.gov.au/indexsearch/keyname.aspx
There was information about William, Margaret and Elizabeth on http://www.loadsofpeople.co.uk/index.htm
William and Margaret’s marriage was on family search and a few more sites that would have needed paying for more information.
Elizabeth Prosser’s 1st marriage is at http://www.bdm.nsw.gov.au/
Her 2nd marriage, to William, is on the Qld bdm.
More I have found useful for Tedford include e.g. http://www.askaboutireland.ie/griffith-valuation/index.xml
I hope this is useful.
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Thank you so much for your very prompt reply.
My wife is Esther's great grand daughter so is there some family connection with you?.
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Hi
Yes. Esther was my great - grandmother's sister! It's a small world.
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Hello. This is a bit frustrating for cousins in law to be communicating!!
Do you have any evidence of
William TEDFORD was born in 1831 (possibly in Glencoe, Armagh.)
Margaret MCGEE/TEDFORD was born in 1830.
William married Margaret in 1850 in Tartaraghan, Armagh, Ireland.
or can you suggest how I might look it up.
You might be amused if you knew who we suspected Esther could be!!
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Hi
You have me very curious about Esther. Please let me know more, either here or by personal message.
I am not at all sure about William Tedford’s birth. I was hoping someone from Ireland might know more. What I have is:
Born: ≈ 1831 L ≈ 1830 U N GLENCOE, ARMAGH, Ireland RW from Ramillies 1855 25y b 1829 – 30 N, from bu 21.12.1909 85y b 1824 – 25 DT, so 1824 - 1831
Sources:
DT: http://ww2.toowoombarc.qld.gov.au/index.php?option=com_gravefinder&view=burials&Itemid=2
L: http://www.loadsofpeople.co.uk/index.htm
N: http://srwww.records.nsw.gov.au/ebook/list.asp?Page=NRS5316/4_4792/Ramillies_19%20Nov%201855/4_479200353.jpg&No=5
RW: http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/
U: http://www.theycametheystayed.com/index.htm
These are the same is for Esther. The Ramillies record is primary, as it’s online microfiche. The bdms and burials are pretty close to primary.
I’m now almost certain the Golconda Thomas was William’s father. He is buried in the same grave as William’s 2nd wife, Elizabeth. This matches with a Qld bdm death with parents Nicholas Tedford and Nancy Gardner.
By the way, by the Qld bdm of Margaret’s death, her parents were Robert McGee and Jane Sloane. I would love to know more about her too.
Griffiths valuation possibility for Thomas is:
http://www.failteromhat.com/griffiths/armagh/tartaraghan.htm
Fáilte Romhat: Griffith’s Valuation for Ireland: Griffiths Valuation of Ireland - Tartaraghan, County Armagh e.g.
Tedford Thomas Cloncore Tartaraghan Armagh
There’s an outside chance this could be William before he sailed: http://streetdirectories.proni.gov.uk/aetopia/WebObjects/StreetDirectories.woa/1/wo/tbxkw7pZIveH1RmhZpSWbg/10.0.0.1.5.7.7
Public Records Office of Northern Ireland: Street Directories incomplete1819 to 1900: search: 84 results Tedford 1819 to 1858: The Belfast and Province of Ulster Directory 1852 pp. 350 – 351: alphabetical directory: p. 351
Tedford, James, ship chandler and provision dealer, 29 Donegall quay; residence, 34 Chichester St
Telford, Wm., customhouse officer, 66 York street
Lurgan Ancestry may have more.
Also Robert McGee might be: Griffith Magee Robert Town Of Lurgan, North-Street Shankill Co. Armagh
From the Irish Family History Foundation.
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Thanks again for all your input.
Esther gave birth to a son Stephen in 1878 when she was about 18. The father was Stephen Gavin, a English migrant. The son seems to adopted his father's surname & is my wife's grandfather. The birth place on the certificate is Billa Billa on the McIntyre River & so there has been some conjecture that Esther may have been an original inhabitant??. However your research has shown this not to be the case. I have one convict great great grandfather & there was some thought I may have had an Irish highwayman but this is unproven, drat!.
You do show Esther's birth as '1. Esther TEDFORD was born on 18th February 1857 in WAMBO FOREST in Queensland.' I have searched all the BD&M sites & looked amongst the websites that you have provided but I can't find the source of the info. I know I am a scrounge but can you help here pls.
Toowoomba Council are going to photograph the Tedford headstones in the Toowoomba Drayton cemetery. Are you interested in a copy?
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Hi
Thanks. This is fascinating. I’m happy to help with any questions. I love doing it. I only hope it’s accurate enough. The information about Wambo Forest was from World Connect. To get to it again, I used http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ I searched this time for Esther Tedford and 16 came up. That information is from the first one. It has much about the people we are interested in. It doesn’t seem to give sources. It mentions your Stephen and what you know may be of great interest to the author. In the William Tedford entry, it mentions Esther’s younger brothers as being born in Billa Billa, so all is not lost.
This site http://www.theycametheystayed.com/index.htm has long notes about Esther and her family. It lists the sources.
I’m very interested in those headstone photos. How much would they cost? Have you seen that on http://www.tddfhs.org/ on the projects page, that they have cards about those buried in the cemetery. Also, on the blog page they have indices to the Darling Downs Gazette. Tedford appears on the 1911 – 1915 index and there is a Telford on the 1906 to 10 index.
It’s interesting to think I could have very remote connection to an Irish highwayman!
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Nope, no charge for photos I don't think. Council reply follows=
Thank you for your email dated 12 June 2011, regarding Mr and Mrs William and Margaret Tedford.
Mr and Mrs Tedford can be researched on the Toowoomba Regional Council website (link below). There is a headstone on Mr and Mrs Tedford's grave and I will forward a photograph in the next week.
Further information can be obtained from the Qld Government's, Department of Births, Deaths and Marriages, where birth and Death Certificates can be obtained.
Additionally, you can contact the Darling Downs Family History Society on 4634 7377 or on tddfms[at]yahoo.com.au.
Please feel free to contact me via return email or on 4688 6686, if you have any questions in relation to this matter.
Of course great speculation now as to who you are actually are & your relationship to my wife & her sisters. Is there any way I could have your actual email address.
Moderator Comment: e-mail edited, to avoid spamming and other abuses.
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I have been following 2 further leads. They both relate to Thomas Tedford, Sarah Morrow and their son John on the Golconda…fairly slim chances
From the Qld bdm, John died 1916. There were also several children of a John Tedford and an Ellen Ford, but it seems evident from sites like RootsWeb free pages – Gordon’s family tree – that those children were of the same generation as John from Golconda. They may be related.
Also on the Golconda was a Prudence Morrow, 24, who from the Qld bdm died in 1944 as Prudence Forsyth with parents William John Morrow and Mary Jane. She first married William Bole, as seen in Qld bdm and in: http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/1300935
Trove: The Brisbane Courier (Qld. : 1864-1933) (about)< Tuesday 23 February 1869 > Page 1 of 8
MARRIAGES.
BOLE-MORROW.-On the 10th February, in Brisbane, by the Rev. Alex. Caldwell, Mr. William Bole, Ipswich Agricultural Reserve, formerly of Newtownbreda, county Down, Ireland, to Miss Prudence Morrow, daughter of Mr. William Morrow, Saintfield, County Down Ir
Her 2nd marriage, from Qld bdm, was in 1897 to James Forsyth.
There is much about the family of a William John Morrow and Mary Jane Morrow? Bowman? on Blyths and Beyond at http://members.iinet.net.au/~rteirney/wga7.html It doesn’t include Prudence but does seem to be her family. They came from Killinchy in Down and lived in Gammie Swamp, Fassifern, Qld. I found pictures of a Morrow family in Gatton, without individual identification, on Picture QLD and Bonzle. They may be related to Sarah Morrow from the Golconda. I also found William, Thomas, Agnes and Prudence Morrow as pupils in Purga School Qld in 1880 and Debbie in 1965 at http://www.freewebs.com/purgamusic/localpurgahistory.htm
Do any of these people mean anything to anyone?
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Hi,
Just in case anyone is still interested: ifhf have expanded their Armagh records, & the church baptisms of William & Margaret's children Abigail and Mary are there.
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The 'Diocesan and Prerogative Marriage Licence Bonds Indexes, 1623 - 1866', on the National Archives of Ireland website, include a marriage in 1825 between Thomas Tedford and Abigail Leggatt, Diocese of Armagh:
http://census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/dm/IRE_DIOC_007246527_00243.pdf
The Thomas Tedford - Sarah Morrow marriage is in the same index:
http://census.nationalarchives.ie/search/dm/index.jsp
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a thousand thanks
That's fantastic!
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Thanks from another Searcher as well.
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Less than 3 months before William Tedford married Margaret Magee in 1850, a William Magee of Cloncore married a Sarah McNally (in the same church), William's father was given as Robert Magee, labourer, and one of the witnesses - William Williamson - is the same name as one of the witnesses to the Tedford-Magee marriage:
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1850/09393/5402452.pdf
So just maybe a brother of Margaret.
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Thanks a lot. I still don't even have William's or Margaret's birth or baptism, other than that they were both born in Ireland. Everything helps. I will investigate that marriage a bit more. It sounds very interesting. Hi to other searcher too! I've only just looked back at this. ...
What an amazing site is Irish Genealogy! It has images of records!
William Tedford and Margaret Magee's m is there 11 Apr 1850 in Lurgan, and as you say it has a witness in common with the m of Robert Magee and Sarah McNally. Is the surname of the 1st witness in William Tedford and Margaret Magee's m Folies? I find it very hard to read.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/details-civil/1405453205225?b=https%3A%2F%2Fcivilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie%2Fchurchrecords%2Fcivil-perform-search.jsp%3Fnamefm%3Dwilliam%26namel%3Dtedford%26location%3D%26yyfrom%3D1850%26yyto%3D1850%26submit%3DSearch
and follow link to image
Thanks again. I am going to enjoy this site.
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Hi, Roots Ireland has transcribed the first witness as Forbes. Here is the original from Irish Genealogy (the link above):
Do people think it's Folies or Forbes? (or something else)
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It's most likely William Forbes.
Look at the third marriage down for a William Forbes in the link below, it took place about 6 months earlier than the Tedford-Magee marriage, in the same church, and the witnesses were... one William Tedford and one William Williamson:
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1849/09373/5394743.pdf
If you search for Cloncore in Griffith's Valuation, you will see a William Forbes listed, the print date was 1864:
http://www.askaboutireland.ie/griffith-valuation/index.xml?action=placeSearch
Added: BTW, note the witnesses to the other marriages on that page, I'm wondering if William Williamson was connected with the church in some way, for example, maybe a sexton?
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Thanks a lot. I'm very happy to go with Forbes. The link you gave sort of swallows up the "r" too. The Tedford record looked to have a dot above what then looked like an "i" but it was probably just a mark on the page.
I think you could be right about William Williamson too. It makes sense.