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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Wicklow => Topic started by: jetred on Sunday 12 June 11 19:31 BST (UK)
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I am search for the family of Edward Langrell born in Wicklow July 29, 1846. He came to Canada, alone, as a young man and married there. His middle name was "Pierce" which could be his mother's maiden name. Would anyone have a record of a Langrell marrying a Pierce pre 1826?
Thanks very much.
Jan in Canada
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Full civil records started in Ireland in 1864 (1845 for non-Catholic marriages only), so for earlier details you would need to check for available parish records. To do this you need to know the family religion and where they lived at the time - i.e. townland, town or parish.
see : Introduction to Irish Records (http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,442233.0.html)
Shane
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There are some Langrell entries in Co. Wicklow on Griffith's valuation, dated in 1854, so slightly after Edward left, that might be worth following up. They all seem to be in the townland of Cappagh, Civil parish of Ballinacor - near Rathdrum. The first four are as occupiers, the others as landlords.
see : link (http://www.askaboutireland.ie/griffith-valuation/index.xml?action=doNameSearch&Submit.x=53&Submit.y=20&familyname=Langrell&wildcard=on&firstname=&baronyname=&countyname=&unionname=&parishname=)
Griffth's was a land tax survey, and shows occupiers and owners of property at the time.
Shane
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My grandmother was a Langrell from Cappagh Hill, Aughrim, I have lots of Langrell information and will go through my records to see if I can find Edward. The Langrells were Church of Ireland. Those who went to Canada became Methodists. COI records start here in the 1840 so you should be able to get Edward birth cert., which would give his mothers name. I have just started a facebook page - Langrells from Wicklow lost and found.
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Edward Pierce Hopkins - his parents John (d 12.5.1852) and Susan (d 25.6.1860) Langrell were my Great Great Grandparents. His sister Katherine Amelia m Robert Stevenson and remained in Ireland. However their daughter Mary Frances known as Mabel spent a year at college in Ontario and stayed with Mrs Lane who I believe was another sister. Mabel was my grandmother. There is a lot of Langrells around Cappagh Co Wicklow and I am just getting my head around them!
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There was a Susan Langrell married to a William Stevenson in 1869. In 1811 Sarah Stephenson married William Langrell, both were from Cappagh, Aughrim.
Also found a Pierce Wedding in Arklow, Co. Wicklow with a Hopkins witness. I will send you my email address in a private message.
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Is this the Edward we are looking for:- Edward Pierce Langrell married Elizabeth Trevell and and had a daughter Sarah Ellen born 4th Jan, 1879?
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My Great Aunt Margaret married a Edward Langrell in 1923. Her maiden name was Murray and during my childhood I lived with her and my mother on The Mall, Wicklow. This Edward, or Ned as I knew of him, died in Sept 1945 aged 54. His father was Issac Langrell who died in Nov 1929 in Wicklow aged 70. I know Ned had a sister Margaret (Mag) and a brother William (Bill) who both lived in a house in Market Square Wicklow. It was a Protestant family, although Ned married into the catholic religion when he married my Great Aunt.
I hope this helps
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Langrell death;
Mullinacuff COI graveyard
In memory of our dear sister, Bessie Langrell, Newtown
9/7/1898 (55)
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Prison records; Wicklow Petty Sessions;
(included becuase year of birth is given)
Isaac Langrell; single, labourer, Ballidrune?
Offence committed; 1855
Year of birth given; 1830
William Langrell; married, labourer, Rathdrum
1859
1792
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Jack
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Brian Cantwell's memorials of the Dead; Wicklow
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Bray St Pauls COI graveyard
Anne Pierce; Bray Shore; 30/6/1850 (36)
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Ballymaghroe;
erected by Michael Pierce for
wife-Judith; 1806 (70)
dtr-Elizabeth; 1780 (20)
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Kilpipe Old;
Edward Pierce; Ballythomas; 13/6/1782 (90)
wife-Jane; 23/7/1787 (87)
Thomas Pierce; Annacurra Parish of Preban
died; xxiv of May mdcccxxx, aged xxxviii years
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1798 Rebellion claimants;
Samuel Pierce; Carpenter-Carnew
house-furniture-tools-boards
claim; £30-2-0
granted; £30-2-0
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Edward Pierce; farmer, Tubberpatrick-Kilpipe
house-cloaths-butter-car
£24-17-2
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Jack
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Jack, I've a vast amount of information on the Langrells. My grandmother was a Langrell and I've been working on the tree for years. I believe their origins were French Hugeunot's but I cannot find when they came to Ireland. The earliest I have found is an Edward Langrell in Dublin in the 1600's then a Joseph in Wicklow early 1700's.
Thanks for all the information you supply.
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. I believe their origins were French Hugeunot's but I cannot find when they came to Ireland. The earliest I have found is an Edward Langrell in Dublin in the 1600's then a Joseph in Wicklow early 1700's.
Though there had been persecution of Huguenots in France in the 16th century, the big issue that forced large number to emigrate was the Edict of Fontainebleau in 1685, which revoked the Edict of Nantes (which had granted Protestants tolerance). Many Huguenots refugees arrived in Ireland from 1685 onwards. So, that perhaps might be the era when your ancestors arrived (if they were Huguenots).
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According to a local Manitoba history and Canadian census records, Edward Pierce Langrell came to Canada around 1869, after attending Dublin University. He lived in Ontario where he moved around, teaching school in small communities. He was living in Port Arthur in 1882 when he married Mary Elizabeth Trevillion. He moved his family to Edmonton, Alberta for several years before moving to Woodlands, Manitoba around 1888. He was a pioneer in both locations, helping to shape communities as a farmer, teacher and local politician. He died in 1924 in Manitoba.
I'm not sure how many children were born in the family, but there were at least 4: John Edward (1886- ), Mary Amelia (1888-1894), Francis Trevillion (1890-1937) and Henry Grattan Guinness (1893-1979).
- source: 'Tween Meadow and Meridian: a history of Warren, Manitoba. c1985
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I love the fact he named one of his children Henry Grattan Guinness.
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Henry Grattan Guinness was a well known preacher born in Dublin in 1835 He was the grandson of Arthur Guinness.(Guinness Brewery). Henry Grattan Guinness had a huge following in 1870 he opened the East London Training Institute for missionaries. Edward Pierce must have been on of his followers.
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I am a descendant of the Langrell's in Wicklow. Ned, Bill and Mag were my Uncles and Aunt. My father Joe was the 7th son Of Isaac followed by Aunt Mag as the only daughter. The house in Market Square was the family home. Joe and James were the only ones who had children.
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Can anyone tell me which Census district covered Ingersoll, Ontario, Canada. My Langrells are Edward Pierce Hopkins Langrell (1846-1924) and siblings but I am trying to identify a photo of 'Mother & Dad, outside our family barn in Ingersoll'. They look far too Victorian to be Edward's generation (I have pics of him) and this generation lost their parents when very young and probably emigrated to relatives, thus I am not sure what name I am looking for and have to trawl the census until I am inspired! Thanks
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Does anyone have any information on Margaret Walker's family who married Isaac Langrell in Wicklow approx 1888 born 1866? There was a Jack Walker died in 1964 who had daughters Emily and Queenie. He may have been her nephew.
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Does anyone have any information on Margaret Walker's family who married Isaac Langrell in Wicklow approx 1888 born 1866?
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There's a possible match for that marriage on the BMD Index in Rathdrum registration district :
name: Isaac Langrell
registration district: Rathdrum
event type: Marriage
quarter and year: Apr-Jun 1888
volume: 2 / page : 793
a Margaret Walker appears with the same references, so a possible match. A marriage cert would show father's names and occupations, and also current residences for Isaac & Margaret
for notes on ordering research certs see :
Ordering Certs from GRO Roscommon (http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,599538.0.html)
Details included on a Marriage Cert (http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,433042.0.html)
Shane
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Thanks a lot Shane. That's the one.
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My maiden name was Langrell. My father's family was from Wicklow. He told us that the family had been Huguenots, lace makers, and went to Ireland in the time of William of Orange. He used to tell us stories of people/families being piked? in the past. Unfortunately The information was never written down. My grandmother was a Walker with a similar history but I haven't found any information on them.
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Edward Pierce Hopkins Langrell -Manitoba History - may say he was at Dublin Uni but a researcher there says there is no record of him whatsoever. It would have been Trinity College. However in 1867 he was in London applying to become and Outdoor Officer in the Customs and later travelled to Ghana.
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I am curious about your Hopkins, Pierce and Langrell connections.
My Hopkins came from Co. Wicklow and settled in Grey County Ontario. They had Langrill neighbours who were also from Ireland...William Langrill, born 1835. He married one of our family members, so they may have also been neighbours in Ireland.
the fact that your Edward Langrell had middle names Pierce and Hopkins suggests he had Hopkins and Pierce ancestors.
A Thomas Pierce held the lease to 41 acres at Coolfancy in Co. Wicklow in 1827...close to many Hopkins!
What more can you tell me? This is all a shot in the dark but interesting.
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Was William Langrell married to Hannah Hutton? He was born 1832 and was from Cappagh, Wicklow. He was Hannah's second husband. Hannah was the daughter of Charlotte Hopkins and Edge Hutton.
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Can anyone confirm that Edward Pierce Langrell 1846-1924 was Edward Peirce Hopkins Langrell? If so, what is the Hopkins connection?
What is the reference to a Hopkins witness to a Pierce wedding in Arklow...details please.
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Yes. William Langrell (b1835? on tombstone)married Hannah Hutton, daughter of Charlotte Hopkins and Thomas Hutton...possibly Thomas Edge Hutton. Any more details?
Hannah's first husband was Thomas Lawrence
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I have the following information on 'Langrell' in my database, hope they may be of some help to you,
The Census of Ieland for 1901 and 1911 are on line at NAI. Census, these are the only census available for Ireland until the 1926 are released in 100 yrs i.e. 2026.
Also the graveyard inscriptions and photos of headstones were very kindly posted by Joyce Tunstad
census of Ireland 1901 b3, Ballinacorebeg 38/1: D.E.D. Old Town, Roundwood.Civil Parish Derrylossary. Co Wicklow, Ireland
1 Richard Langrell, head of household, C of I, could Read & write, age 80 yrs Farmer, widower, born Co Wicklow
2 Henry Langrell, son C of I, could read & Wrie, age 35 yrs, Farmer's son, married, born Co Wicklow
3 Elizabeth (nee ? ) Daughter-in-Law, C of I could read & write age 25yrs, married, born Co Wicklow
4 Ellen C. Langrell, Grand daughter c of I age 1 yr born Co Wicklow
5 Denis Doyle, servant, R.C. could read & wrie age 25 yrs Farm servant, single, born Co Wicklow.
Burials in Dunganstown Churchyard, Co Wicklow, Ireland:
1888 - Langrell, Seapark, Coachman.
1889 - Langrell, Seapark, Coastguard.
Ref.: cyndislist rootsweb: Archives: Dunganstown. No other information given on this website.
Double Grave in Rathnew Cemetery, Merrymeeting, Rathnew nos (a) 2215: (b) 2216.
Buried in grave No 2215: 3 persons
1 Isaac Langril died 4th November 1920 age 70 yrs. [bc 1859] where? Religion Protestant .
2 Margaret Langril, widow died 21 Jan 1943 age 78 yrs [bc 1865] where? Religion Protestant.
3 John Langril, son, single, died 24th May 1945 age 57 yrs [bc 1888] where? Religion Protestant.
Burid in grave no 2216: 2 persons, possiably children of the above Isaac.
1 William Langril, single died 2nd April 1960 age 68 yrs [bc 1892]
2 Margaret Langril, single died 12th July 1964 [bc 1899]
Info with thanks to: Mr. Wm Roberts, Clerk of the Rathdrum & Wicklow Joint Burial Board, Wicklow County Council, Station Road, Wicklow Town.
(20th March 2008 MF). Forgot to ask Billy if any addresses were entered!
Who was Anne Langrell The Mall, bc 1875 other Elizabeth. I have no more information or where I got this information from. I think it was from Billy Roberts.
No.108 Erected | by | their daughter | In Memory of her parents | ISAAC LANGRELL | who died 3rd Nov. 1928 | also his wife MARGARET | who died 21st Jan. 1943 |
and their son ISAAC | who died 10th July 1943 | Interred at Adderbury, England| also their son JOHN | who died 24th May 1945. | and their son WILLIAM LANGRELL | who died 2nd April 1960. Base of headstone:- also their daughter MARGARET | who died 12th July 1964
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Thank you for posting this information. In the Applotment books the only Langrell outside Cappagh, Augrim was Richard, Derrylossary. In Griffith Valuations there was William Langrell at Annagh as well as Richard, Derrylossary and those at Cappagh. The burials in Rathnew are the family of Isaac Langrell, Wicklow Town who was son of John Langrell Cappagh. Have you a connection to the Langrells?
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Thanks for the reply. If anyone needs further info on the LANGRELLS and HOPKINS of Grey Co. Ontario, I have plenty.
In the meantime, still waiting to figure out the connection between Edward Pierce Langrell of Cappagh, Co. Wicklow and Hopkins
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20 hits for Langrell on here
http://www.nationalarchives.ie/search-the-archives/
And 3 more here
http://www.willcalendars.nationalarchives.ie/search/cwa/
and more when you enter Langrell as Benificary
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As you can see by previous posts, Edward Pierce Langrell had another middle name...Hopkins. I would love to find out why he had this name. As all of these families seem to have come from Wicklow County, it is likely that either a Pierce of a Langrell had married with a Hopkins at some point.
Anybody got any clues?
Cheers
Ross in Canada.
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Edward Pierce (Hopkins) Langrell - 29th July 1846 - was my Great Grandmother's brother. I am in touch with his direct descendants in Canada. He was christened only Edward Pierce. However the family was effectively orphaned in 1853 and the children were looked after by two families. EPH and his sister Susanna went to a Hopkins relative and as a means of identifying the family to which these children belonged the name of the 'carer' was added in the usual Irish tradition. Thus EP became EPH. His youngest brother had the name Wilson added - he was only a year old and she was a nurse/housekeeper to a Rev Guinness who EPH had great respect for and probably helped him get his Certificate at the Royal Dublin Society. He named one of his sons after the Rev but being teetotal spelt it Ginnis! There were 8 children (1836-1852). Two girls remained in Ireland and three girls and three boys emigrated to Canada and Detroit initially. Their parents were John Langrell and Susanna Hopkins. I have not tracked the Pierce yet. I have more info if you wish to e mail me direct. I am in the UK but have a house in Ireland.
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Same man?
A Reverend William Smyth Grattan Guinness mentioned here in the indexes of Arthur Lee Guinness of Roundwood died 1863 11 Jan 1863.
http://www.willcalendars.nationalarchives.ie/reels/cwa/005014885/005014885_00276.pdf
He William may have died shortly after in 1864
http://www.willcalendars.nationalarchives.ie/reels/cwa/005014886/005014886_00253.pdf
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Susan Wilson died 1850. Rev. W.S.Grattan Guinness was the Wilson's landlord,
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Hello Ross, I am in Ireland. My grandmother was a Langrell. If I could find John Langrells father's name I would know exactly which branch of the family your Edward Pierce belongs to. All the Langrells go back to Wicklow, Ireland where they can be found in 1700. Their roots we believe were French Huguenots.
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"Hello Ross, Do you know of any wedding between Susan Hopkins and John Langrell c.1835? John died in 1852 Susan in 1862. They left behind several young children. One of the children was Edward Pierce Langrell who added the name Hopkins indicating he was looked after by a Hopkins family. He emigrated to Manitoba where he was know as Edward Pierce Hopkins Langrell. He was a member of the Plymouth Brethern. He must have been a follower of the Preacher Henry Grattan Guinness as he named one of his sons Henry Grattan Guinness.
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There are several direct descendants of John and Susan who would love to find a marriage certificate but so far nothing has been found! Family notes tell us Susan was from Clonegall in Co. Carlow so the marriage is likely to be in that area or Wexford rather than Wicklow. We believe we have traced her family and her birth in 1809 - Carlow. She died in 1860 - Carlow.
Did any of your Hopkins in Canada come from Carlow? Having asked that another relative in S Dublin Co. married a Hopkins from Carlow who must have been living more in that area. No doubt the cert is in some dusty cupboard which researchers have not yet been able to tackle, but the competency of Vicars records in that era leaves a lot to be desired.
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Hi,
You can reply to me via this service as it has a chance of reaching others also.
First of all there was a large branch or several branches of Hopkins in and around Clonegal.
Nicholas Hopkins (c1723-1787) married a Sarah Brown and they had a daughter Susannah, probably around 1770
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Re your Susannah Hopkins, c1809, of Clonegal. I believe she was a daughter of another Susannah (c1773-1844), likely the daughter of Nich and Sarah, above. Susannah married a William Hopkins (c1768-1809). This family lived at or near Clonegal in Carlow and were said to be 2nd cousins. William, the father left his daughter Susannah 60 pounds in his will to be invested for her. Some old handwritten notes about the family only mention 6 children...leaving out a Sarah who died young, and this Susanna. I therefore believe that Susanna also died young and is thus not the Susan who married John Langrell.
Can you explain your source for saying that "Susan", wife of Langrell, was born at Clonegal in about 1809 and also regarding her death in 1860?
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Hi looking for information on on a Margaret Langrell of market sq Wicklow who died July 1964
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Hi looking for information on on a Margaret Langrell of market sq Wicklow who died July 1964
Aged?
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http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Wicklow/Glenealy/Newrath/897935/
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Langrell 1911 census http://www.rootschat.com/links/01nnz/
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Hi looking for information on on a Margaret Langrell of market sq Wicklow who died July 1964
Not registered
Death results for Langrell http://www.rootschat.com/links/01no0/
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My maiden name was Langrell. My father's family was from Wicklow. He told us that the family had been Huguenots, lace makers, and went to Ireland in the time of William of Orange. He used to tell us stories of people/families being piked? in the past. Unfortunately The information was never written down. My grandmother was a Walker with a similar history but I haven't found any information on them.
piked in Gorey....
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My maiden name was Langrell. My father's family was from Wicklow. He told us that the family had been Huguenots, lace makers, and went to Ireland in the time of William of Orange. He used to tell us stories of people/families being piked? in the past. Unfortunately The information was never written down. My grandmother was a Walker with a similar history but I haven't found any information on them.
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My maiden name was Langrell. My father's family was from Wicklow. He told us that the family had been Huguenots, lace makers, and went to Ireland in the time of William of Orange. He used to tell us stories of people/families being piked? in the past. Unfortunately The information was never written down. My grandmother was a Walker with a similar history but I haven't found any information on them.
https://books.google.ie/books?id=Fe9hAAAAcAAJ&pg=PA1123&lpg=PA1123&dq=ISAAC+LANGRELL&source=bl&ots=up5qmLqyTh&sig=ACfU3U1RP1oOWrxuQ_3dy6RG5YQvqyIzBA&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwi8s_C6_dLhAhUySBUIHdLJBIo4ChDoATAKegQICBAB#v=onepage&q=LANGRELL&f=false
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Langreel age 59 single at Market Sq
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1964/04263/4094797.pdf
1911 age 9
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Wicklow/Glenealy/Newrath/897935/
parents marriage 1888 Isaac Langrell and Margaret Walker
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1888/10767/5927074.pdf
wife died 1943
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1943/04671/4244354.pdf
Isaac died 1928 at Market Sq
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1928/04949/4345837.pdf
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Edward Monkman Walker son of Charles married Hannah Ost/Ast dtr of John in Bray 13th Nov 1860
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FGF4-LK7
son Charles born 1866 father a Sailmaker
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1866/03520/2295127.pdf
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John Ost 1853
http://census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/vob/IRE_CENSUS_1821-51_007246918_00442.pdf
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see William Langrell 1893 to 1960
https://www.myheritage.com/names/william_langrell
death at Market Sq
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1960/04343/4124003.pdf
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see Plot 108
http://www.igp-web.com/IGPArchives/ire/wicklow/photos/tombstones/1headstones/rathnew.txt
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It would be interesting to see if Hanna Ost's father John is a Coastguard
https://www.coastguardsofyesteryear.org/forum/viewthread.php?thread_id=193
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see Plot 108
http://www.igp-web.com/IGPArchives/ire/wicklow/photos/tombstones/1headstones/rathnew.txt
That is the one posted Reply #28 on: November 22, 2014, 07:14:24 PM » where no Source was given for it!
Just Googling Langrell Wicklow or Walker Wicklow throws up so much stuff for them but this doesn't seem to have been done!
The Piking incident was found by Googling! Only posted a few examples!
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Hannah Ost/Walker ?
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Wicklow/Wicklow_Town/Ball_Alley/1817372/
Margaret Ost widow a householder age 84 died 1891 informant Catherine Walker grand daughter
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1891/06064/4729078.pdf
Hannah Walker widow of a Sailmaker died 1904 informant John J Walker son
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1904/05639/4586904.pdf
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The informant on Hannah's death above would be John Isaac Walker
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Wicklow/Wicklow_Town/Strand_Street_Upper/1817938/
1911
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Wicklow/Wicklow_Urban/Strand_Street_Upper/898993/
married Elizabeth Sylvia Farrell 1884
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1884/10910/5985570.pdf
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In 1887 James Andrew Ost gives his father John Ost as a Station Sergeant
https://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/display-pdf.jsp?pdfName=c-522-3-1-041
possible previous marriage 1875 Lancashire
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:2DP7-8KQ
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My Great Aunt Margaret married a Edward Langrell in 1923. Her maiden name was Murray and during my childhood I lived with her and my mother on The Mall, Wicklow. This Edward, or Ned as I knew of him, died in Sept 1945 aged 54. His father was Issac Langrell who died in Nov 1929 in Wicklow aged 70. I know Ned had a sister Margaret (Mag) and a brother William (Bill) who both lived in a house in Market Square Wicklow. It was a Protestant family, although Ned married into the catholic religion when he married my Great Aunt.
I hope this helps
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Margaret Langrell of market sq Wicklow , did she have a child ?
Margaret died 12 July 1965
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Isaac jnr
https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/D6578325
Isaac attested in the field at Natoye,Belgium on the 19th Feb 1919 age 28 and 10 months,
he was a valet,gave his next of kin as Mrs Langrell,Claremount,Rathnew, served 10 yrs and 198 days in Connaught Rangers
he must have been in another regiment prior to this due to location of his attestation
https://www.nam.ac.uk/soldiers-records/persons?ss=%7B%22q%22:%22langr*%22%7D
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My wife's family are descended from John Isaac Walker through his daughter Frances Eva Walker. My wife remembers meeting Aunt Lil, Aunt Bel, Aunt Vi (Elizabeth Walker, Isabella Walker and Violet Walker) in the early 1960's in Derby where Frances Eva was living with her husband William Ryan. This thread has been of enormous assistance in tracing back earlier than John Isaac. Many thanks for links.
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Searching for Edward Monkman Walker has a result from familysearch.org. Christened in 28 Dec 1812 in Hull, England. Father Charles, mother Mary. I guess it's time to search the Parish records to try to verify this.