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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Offaly (Kings) => Topic started by: tucson mike on Sunday 19 June 11 05:43 BST (UK)
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I'm interested in the townland of Fearboy in Co. Offaly. This is in the civil parish of Kilcumreragh, while its RC parish is Tubber and Rosemount, whose church is in Co. Westmeath.
In 1847 or so Griffith's Valuation lists about two dozen families in Fearboy. Three are named "Stones" and are headed by Thomas, John, and James.
In 1880 my GGF Patrick Stones was a farmer in Offaly, per his daughter's birth certificate. He married Ellen Maguire in Tubber & Rosemount in 1879, and his daughter Mary Anne was baptized there the following year. He seems to have passed away in 1899, and his daughter emigrated to the US the same year.
In 1901 the census of Ireland lists a Patrick Stones and his wife Marcella as living in Fearboy.
The two Patricks may have lived in Fearboy at the same time, but I have no idea how they were related to each other or to the three families listed in Griffith's. I'd appreciate any help with this puzzle. Thanks.
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I was in Durrow cemetery today (just outside Tulamore) and came across this headstone.
Jack
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Jack,
Thanks for the photo.
Unfortunately, whether due to my computer monitor or my ageing eyes, I can't read the writing on the headstone. If you have a higher resolution file, please mail it to me at: *
Thanks again and best wishes.
Mike Carroll
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The Stone reads;
John Stones; 13/8/1838 (50)
Annie Stones; 27/6/1914 (82)
Patrick Stones; 3/7/1914 (?)
John Black; 3/1/1929 (60)
son-James; 19/7/1920 (21)
Honor Black; 19/1/1940 (66)
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Jack
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Ah yes, it's the Stones' stone, isn't it!
Thanks very much for the transcription and the photo. I'll have to check & see if that matches anyone I know about.
Mike Carroll
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Hi Mike, I'm new on Rootschat and saw your post and the thread with interest. My mother-in-law is a Catherine nee. Stone (Stones and Stone being variants in the same family) whose ancestors lived at Lurgan near Tullamore/Moate. She still lives at Tubber near the church on Clara Road. My wife and I are in Birmingham UK but often visit - indeed we were over in August. With the name Stone having English derivation, the story is that the original Stone in Offaly may have been a Cromwellian soldier who was given land. Cromwell apparently stopped at the castle in Moate on his tour of the Irish Midlands. I would be surprised if all the Stone/s families in the area weren't connected back to this person but am yet to make progress beyond the mid 1800s. Would be interested in continuing the dialogue if you think there is common ground.
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Hi Pete,
I had wondered about the "Stones" surname, as not sounding Irish to me, unlike say my mother's maiden name "Fogarty." So the story of the Cromwellian soldier sounds plausible. I have not made progress beyond the mid 1800s either, however. I'll send you a Private Message (PM) with my email address so we may correspond further if you like.
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I've written my research into a PDF document and posted it to Calameo. there is duplication in parts of it and it needs a bit of editing and proof reading, but it gives a comprehensive overview of where I'm at. Paying the family history centre at Tullamore 80 euros helped me get a wealth of old church records from Tubber church:
http://en.calameo.com/read/000675467c4471b7112df
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Its really interesting, I just looked at Fearboy on a map and its no distance from Lurgan, Moate, Tubber, etc. In fact it seems to be right by where my wife's cousin TJ Kelly still has a large farm. TJ's mother was Anne Stone born at Lurgan. His brother Cormac Kelly still farms Lurgan. Re: the English connection, its one of those subjects local people don't talk about much and perhaps we can understand why. Following Irish independence in the 1920s I get the feeling most traces of English colonial heritage were swept quickly under the carpet. But having said this, my impression is that even if the Stone surname was English from the 1650s, the family were hard working people scraping a living on the land, they married Irish families and have been Catholic and 100% Irish for generations. My mother-in-law will make occasional references to the ancestral line going back to a Cromwellian soldier but has no information to substantiate this. I often wonder if there are records of soldiers being granted land. Moate was a Quaker dominated town in the 1700s, so that might also be worth exploring.
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I'll have a look through all of this stuff the Irish Midlands Ancestry centre sent me. For starters I can see a death record indexed for 3 year old Joseph Stones on 18/5/1881 at Fearboy, farmer's child who died of bronchitis. Also Thomas Stones of Fearboy died on 14/12/1877, a farmer aged 59 - cause of death was 'decline'. (I've finally found a medical diagnosis for myself there!) Also Bridget Stones from Fearboy died on 18th March 1876, farmer's wife and widow aged 77 also died as a result of 'decline'. Hope these are relevant.
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Your research: Your book at Calameo is very well done. It will take me a while to get through it.
Geography: Yes, the townland of Fearboy is in northernmost Offaly. My grandmother Mary Anne Stones was born in Fearboy but baptized in the R.C. Church in Tubber & Rosemount in Co. Westmeath. That's also where her parents were married on 22 July 1879.
Irish Midlands Ancestry data: My grandmother Mary Anne had no siblings I know of. The Joseph Stones who died at age 3 on 18 May 1881 would have been born prior to Mary Anne's parents' wedding, if the dates are correct. So that's probably a cousin of hers.
The Thomas Stones who passed away in 1877 was old enough to have been Patrick's father. Perhaps Patrick married after inheriting the farm, but that's just speculation at this point. Thomas was also old enough to have been listed in Griffiths; I'll have to check.
My research: Mary Anne's mother was Ellen Maguire. The 1901 census for Fearboy lists a Patrick Stones married to a Marcella. There was a marriage of Patrick Stones to Marcella Eagney in 1884 in Co. Westmeath, parish of Kilcleagh. I have been assuming Ellen Maguire Stones passed away sometime between 1880 and 1884, and Patrick remarried. But you if have no death record index for her I may be mistaken.
I'm attaching Mary Anne's civil birth certificate. I'm confident it's hers because all the details agree with her baptismal record, except one: the year. This certificate was produced after the records were computerized, and I'm sure someone typed "1890" for "1880".
Edit: I deleted the birth cert attachment as it might violate copyright. Please send me a PM if you would like to see it.
I've not been to Ireland yet; I hope to make it there someday.
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Pete,
Griffiths (I used the version at AskAboutIreland) for Fearboy lists Thomas, John, and James Stones. Presumably Thomas is the same as the one in your Midlands Ancestry records. On the other hand, there were four more STONES listed for the parish of Kilcumreragh in townlands other than Fearboy. There are 24 listed in Co. Offaly as a whole, and another 20 in Westmeath. Easy to go wrong.
Mike
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This is a list (attached) of all relevant references to the Stones family of Fearboy (also spelt Feerboy) from the centre at Tullamore. Most are baptisms at Tubber church of James Stones and Mary McCormack (various spellings of McCormack but it's undoubtedly the same person). James seems the right age to have been the James mentioned in the Griffiths Valuation. I'm under the impression they married late back then. I'm wondering if the Bridget Stones who died as a widow aged 77 in 1876, therefore born 1799, might have been the matriarch of all of these and therefore possibly your direct ancestor.
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Pete,
Thank you for the list of references.
I'm having trouble telling if you and I are talking about the same "Tubber" and the same church. Your David Stones married Mary Duffy in Tubber in 1880, according to your book. My Mary Anne Stones was baptized in 1880 in the parish of Tubber & Rosemount in Co. Westmeath, according to a church baptism record I obtained.
I have Brian Mitchell's atlas in front of me but still can't decide if these are one and the same church. Can you help?
Mike
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I think the answer to that question is that Tubber (also spelt Tobber) & Rosemount is the name of the Parish, but the parish is served by two churches. The Church of St Thomas the Apostle in Rosemount and the Church of the Holy Family in Tubber. The two churches are a few miles apart, my wife's ancestors at Lurgan would have attended the church at Tubber whereas I'd guess your ancestors attended the St Thomas church at Rosemount. I think the reason it gets confusing is that the records from both churches all ended up at the main parish house, normally the head priest's abode which is close to Tubber. The church at Rosemount was probably served by his Curate which in the 1880s were Rev Joseph Carey (1878-84), Rev. James Duffy (1884-86) and Rev. William Healy (1886-93). This is further complicated by the fact that I think the Parish crosses a border between the counties of Offaly (formerly Kings County) and Westmeath, so Rosemount might sometimes be identified as Westmeath and Tubber as Offaly. Its still confusing to this day as the area is very rural and you can drive along a country lane passing from one county into another and back again in the course of a couple of miles.
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I seem to recall my mother-in-law also telling me there is Church of Ireland church at Rosemount with some Stones buried there. Which adds weight to the theory that the Stones originated from the protestant tradition with some families converting to Catholicism perhaps in the 18th and 19th centuries. That might purely have been due to mixed marriages, with the wife getting her way and bringing up the children as Catholics, as opposed to any radical allegiances to one or the other. I will check that out though about there being a protestant church at Rosemount.
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I've just searched for Church of Ireland churches in Offaly but there isn't one at Rosemount, I think the nearest is at Tyrrelspass, about 10 miles up the road. However, I have noted down at some point my mother-in-law saying 'there are Stones buried in the protestant cemetery at Rosemount', so there could be a cemetery without an adjacent church.
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Pete,
I did a little more research before reading your latest posts. I think we agree about everything. I didn't know about the two RC churches in the same parish.
I find the Placenames Database of Ireland at logainm.ie (http://logainm.ie) very useful. If I read it right:
My Fearboy is listed at http://www.logainm.ie/42129.aspx (http://www.logainm.ie/42129.aspx) It's in the barony of Kilcoursey and the civil parish of Kilcumreragh, in Co. Offaly. Its coordinates are N 22715 39286. Your Lurgan or Lorgan is at http://www.logainm.ie/42073.aspx (http://www.logainm.ie/42073.aspx) It's also in Offaly and the barony of Kilcoursey, but its civil parish is Kilmanaghan and it's at N 19898 36033.
Mitchell's A New Genealogical Atlas of Ireland then confirms your other point, that the RC parish of Tubber spans the Offaly/Westmeath border.
Looking at those great hybrid maps for Griffith's at AskAboutIreland: it appears Fearboy is east of Moate between the R446 and the railway line, while Lurgan is south and slightly east of Moate, south of the M6.
There is a Rosemount northeast of Fearboy in Co. Westmeath, in the opposite direction from Lurgan. Since my church records mention Co. Westmeath, perhaps that's where my grandmother was baptized. That's what you said too: St. Thomas.
By the way, if there was a Stones fortune, I haven't seen it on this side of the Atlantic either.
Mike
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Pete,
I had a look at the Tithe Applotment Books at the National Archives. There are 32 entries for "Stones" in Co. Offaly. One is for Lurgan: Widow Margaret Stones seems to have had the largest plot of land in the village in 1827. Maybe she's the matriarch of your line?
For Fearboy, though, there are no Stones listed. So the Bridget Stones who died there in 1876 at age 77 (thanks for the info) didn't live there in 1823 - 1837, or remarried after her first husband died, or etc.. I read once you're lucky to get back to 1800 in doing Irish family history, and I'm beginning to understand why.
Mike
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From my headstone records from graveyards around Offaly, I only found one with Stones;
Durrow graveyard;(headstone)
John Stones; 13/8/1838 (50) b.1788
Annie Stones; 27/6/1914 (82) b.1832
Patrick Stones; 3/7/1914 (85) b.1829
John Black; 3/1/1929 (60)
son-James; 19/7/1920 (21)
Honor Black; 19/1/1940 (66)
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Jack
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Jack,
I have a GGF Patrick Stones. I found a probate record for him and he passed away in 1907. He lived in Fearboy north of Tullamore. So that's not him, but might be a relation. Thanks for the info.
Mike
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Hi I'm a decent of Patrick Stones from moate I think his farther was called Patrick Stones and he married Mary hynes if anyone knows anything about them could you please let me know?
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Welcome to RootsChat Stonesy
You haven't given any dates.
There is a birth of a Patrick Stones to Patrick Stones and Mary Hynes in 1873
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1873/03183/2167080.pdf
Is this your ancestor?
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Yes sorry and thank you for your reply. Patrick Stones was born 1873 to Mary hynes and Patrick Stones they were married in 1866 and I think their other children were called Mary, honor, john, Alice and Anne I don't know when or where Patrick Stones snr was born but his farther was a john stones that's all I know if any1 can help me find out about my stones ancestors I'd be very grateful because the Stones knowledge was never past down due to my grandad dying very young ..
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It's late here now but Patrick's baptism is in Moate parish register July 24th
http://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000632446#page/146/mode/1up
So there may be earlier records to find in this parish
http://registers.nli.ie/parishes/0174
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Interesting note by the priest Father Patrick Sheridan on the marriage of Patrick Stones to Marium Hynds 28 Dec 1866 a bit hard to decipher but looks like
Mary Hynds was received into the C Church this same day by Father Smyth and illegible ?(sent before ?)the register at Athlone ?illegible
signed Patrick Sheridan
right hand side under A D 1867
28 Dec
http://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000632446#page/200/mode/1up
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FGD4-5WP
there also seems to be a reference to the marriage in Athlone
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FGDH-S66
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01krc/
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01krd/
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John Stones 1869
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FP6Y-RQ2
possibly married Margaret Rafferty in 1895
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1895/10537/5837918.pdf
unfortunately the church register for this marriage does not record parents names
1901
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Westmeath/Moate/Curries/1775334/
1911 apparently no children
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Westmeath/Moate/Toorfelim/878456/
possible death for their mother 1896 married residence Clonlurken
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1896/05882/4668017.pdf
there is also this John Stones but i think he was born in Athboy
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:F5FW-3JM
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Mary born Dec 7th 1866 prior to marriage left hand side
http://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000632446#page/128/mode/1up
possibly married Christopher Rourke 1887
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1887/10794/5936422.pdf
1901
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Westmeath/Moate/Moategranoge/1775539/
1911 ?
marriage of Thomas Roarke 1920
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1924/09161/5313215.pdf
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Thank you very much for this information , on 1 of Patrick Stones and Mary hynes children's births it mention that Patrick was born in clonlurken, but I can't find any such place , I thought Mary Stones Married john Finley or is that the other Patrick Stones daughter Mary??
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I was trying to make sense of that as well.
It's on Patrick's and John's birth certs, looks more like Clonlurcan on Patrick's.
You do sometimes get placenames that have fallen out of use and don't appear anywhere or the spelling has changed.
As I'm sure you know there are lots of places in the area starting with Clon
Clonlonan is the nearest but I don't feel that's it.
Needs work that one.
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There is another family using that address, Killion.
Birth of John Killion to William and Mary 1880.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1880/02883/2056292.pdf
Anne 1884
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1884/02678/1986542.pdf
If we could find this family in the census....
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John's baptism confirms his mother as Rush.
In Griffith's Valuation all the Killion's that lived in a civil parish covered by Moate RC Parish are in Kilcleagh
https://www.johngrenham.com/c_parish/c_parish_main.php?civilparishid=2469&county=&civilparish=Kilcleagh
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http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Westmeath/Moate/Moategranoge/1775362/
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Does any 1 know what happened to Alice stones 1875 and Anne stones 1878?? Please these were 2 of my gr8 granddads younger sisters .
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Thank you very much for this information , on 1 of Patrick Stones and Mary hynes children's births it mention that Patrick was born in clonlurken, but I can't find any such place , I thought Mary Stones Married john Finley or is that the other Patrick Stones daughter Mary??
I have Stone family in my family tree in Dublin.
My fathers uncles...2 of them married two stone sisters Esther and Edith. They married Denis and Stephen Menton respectively in 1935 and 1936 in Dublin.
Their father Thomas Stone states on 1901 census where he lived at 6 Camden Place Dublin, that he was born in Westmeath and the only birth that looks right for the time period is from Clonlurcan as well...an area I notice cant be found by anyone.
His parents were the Patrick and Mary Hynes referred to in posts on this forum.
Unless there is another Thomas Stone from Westmeath that was 23 and worked as a sawyer on the 1901 Dublin census then this Thomas is definitely from Clonlurcan.
All family members in my tree have BMD certs in the name Stone without the "s" in the Clonlurcan family.
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Thanks for that info I thought that my great grandads brother moved to Bolton England and died during ww1. But you have mentioned that Thomas stone was a sawyer, my 3 times great grandfather John stones of moate was a sawyer stated on the maridge certificate of of my 2 times great grandfather Patrick stones and Mary hynes
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Thanks for that info I thought that my great grandads brother moved to Bolton England and died during ww1. But you have mentioned that Thomas stone was a sawyer, my 3 times great grandfather John stones of moate was a sawyer stated on the maridge certificate of of my 2 times great grandfather Patrick stones and Mary hynes
I only have a basic marriage record for Patrick and Mary Hynes and would love the actual marriage cert but its unavailable online.
I notice in the record that Patrick was a widower so do you have his first marriage details
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Yeah her name was Mary Bryne I don't know how she died but her mother was one of the witnesses to the wedding. And there is a funny story to the the maridge of patrick stones and mary hynes the priest would not let Mary hynes in the church because she had birthed a bastard child in Mary stones. And she was prodestent, where Patrick was catholic, they went up to athlone to wed where father Sheridan took them back to moate had words with the other priest and performed the wedding there himself. (*) Moderator Comment: e-mail removed in accordance with RootsChat policy,
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and I'll send you a picture of the certificate I got mine on line my son's mother did it for me.
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How are you related to the stones of moate?
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No it Ann Byrne
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Here is the wedding certificate
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https://registers.nli.ie/parishes/0174 Moate
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https://registers.nli.ie/parishes/0174 Moate
Thanks very much...you are very obliging.
By the way there is a note from the moderator that the cut out an email address I think it was.
If you ever want to ask me anything that you are having problems with about researching your family feel free to ask.
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Yeah it was my email, how are you related to the stones?, I new nothing of my stones family neither did my dad as his father died when my dad was 9 years old his dad was 34 years old I never even saw a picture of my grandad stones until last year when I tracked down my grandads twin brothers grandaughter. I'm 40 at 39 I started doing my family history it was like digging through a 10 foot was with a wooden spoon I was getting no where until I found out my great grandads name. Patrick stones but then there was too many men called Patrick stones in Ireland so I had to get his death certificate and birth certificate to get the right one it took a long time but it was worth the wait as for Patricks dad who married Mary hynes I don't really know much about him to be honest but I have more in common with him as I was a landscape gardener and he was something very similar. I'd love to know what you know of them the stones of Ireland
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Fearboy 1901 census http://www.rootschat.com/links/01ngs/
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My family are Menton originally from Wexford and my g grandfather Thomas moved to Dublin in 1880s and married in County Dublin and eventually settled in city centre.
2 of his sons Stephen and Denis married 2 Stone sisters in Dublin.
Patrick Stones and Mary Hynds were their grandparents.
So basically 2 of my dads uncles married 2 grand daughters of your gg grandparents.
You and I would not be directly related by blood but are definitely related through marriages.
I am 63 now and live in London since I left Dublin in 1992 and have been doing my family tree since about 2010.
Like you I knew absolutely nothing about my paternal ancestors except family stories they came from Wexford but I now have a tree with a few thousand people on it.
I started it to try trace my maternal grandfathers 1st world war documents for my mother as a surprise and hit a brick wall immediately because of shame and lies in the family stories. I eventually discovered my mothers father was born out of wedlock by a married woman for my g grandad who was single and died at 20 years old so my grandfather was reared by his paternal grandparents.
The web of intrigue I discovered just blew my mind and my mother was mortified and even then tried to mix things up with wrong names and dates.
She died in 2012 but I did manage to get her dads war papers for her and it just spiraled from there.
I did initially have a subscription to Ancestry which is where my initial tree still is but I cancelled my subscription after about 2 years and the irony is my tree , or what it was then, is still on Ancestry but I cant view it without subscribing.
I realized Ancestry was a big rip off basically, despite it being a huge resource for research so I bought a software program...Rootsmagic, a brilliant bit of software, and that is where I have everything now. The beauty about it is I can make shareable CDs or USB keys with the family tree and edit it in such a way that I can make anyone on it whats called the "root person". This basically means that person is at the bottom of the tree and everyone else shoots off from him in a direct lineage or by way of different branches.
I recommend it to you as a secure way of storing and sharing your tree as well.
The customer support is exceptional even now and despite me not upgrading past RM 5.
I should imagine the latest version has a lot of extras that are great.
Even my initial 1st version...RM3 I think it was, has a direct link to Ancestry and loads of search engines but with Ancestry and others like it I still need a subscription to use their service.
I seldom need anything like that now as I have so much done already but now and again I go to my local library wher free access toi Ancestry and everywhere else is available.
When I go to Dublin I also visit various research centres and libraries if I need to as well.
I hope that wasn't too long an explanation for you...see attachments.
I tried to attach several certificates but my message was not sent as attachments were too large it said so I have given you links for them instead.
Esther Stone birth death and marriage: https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1906/01741/1687798a.pdf
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1935/08950/5239616.pdf
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1936/04805/4293220.pdf
Edith Stone birth and marriage: https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1911/01541/1623919.pdf
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1936/08915/5224274.pdf
Thomas Stone 1876 son of Patrick and Mary Hynes birth and 1901 census: https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1876/03067/2124205.pdf
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Dublin/Fitzwilliam/Camden_Place/1305603/
That should keep you busy for a while and tie up any loose ends about connection between us
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Awesome, thanks for that it clears up a lot of stuff like I said I thought Thomas stones moved to Bolton and died during ww1. My great grandad was to old to fight during ww1, but he was honored for his work effort in a rubber factory in Moston by the king. He also worked for the railways as a platelayer then when he was to old to do that he became a signal man. He had four children that lived and one that died as a baby, Patrick was a handsome man who dressed imaculately when not at work he was a hard man a fighting man. He died in 1937 leaving four young children, Nora, Patrick, John and Mary. Patrick and John were twins, Nora had 2 kids son and daughter, the daughter became a wren and married an admiral in the US navy. Her son became a top cop for GMP, Patrick had two kids son and daughter not much is known about them at this time. John was my grandad he died age 35, he was the hardest of the hard men he was the uncrownd king of Ireland which was a fighting title held by the hardest of the Irish men. When he died thousands came to his funeral from all over the UK Ireland and USA because the uncrownd king had died. Then there was a big fight to see who would be the uncrownd king. In all honesty my dad's mother hid most of my grandads life from my dad and her grandchildren. Mary stones not much is known of her she had a daughter.
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In the picture from left to right it's John, Mary, Nora, Patrick. The picture is of nora''s holy communion in 1930. I saw this for the first time in my life in 2018, then I got my grandads murchant navy photo from the royal archive, I think.
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During ww2 my grandad was in the merchant navy on the nariva it was hit by a Uboat torpedo and sank in the batle ofthe Atlantic shrapnel from the impact hit him below his eye he was 19 in the picture.
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Do you know who Patrick stones mother was, his father was John, was his mother Mary Anne ginnivun?
And did you know that the stones came to Ireland as a solider in cromwells army, and he married an Irish women she birthed 3 sons to him. And every stones and stone family in Ireland and came out of Ireland come from the soldier. Some stones took the s off the name through fall outs with their own family's. And some through census officials being lazy and not putting the s at the end.
The stones name is a land mark name, it came out of Cornwall where the stones held a family seat. When names were given out people got their names from either their job or land marks or the region where they lived. The stones clan were given their name because they lived by some neolithic stones that were sticking out of the ground.
The stones thought against the vikings and that saying if you can't beat them join them it's not that it's breed with them. 10 stones men married 10 viking women in between 1072 to 1190 the viking women had their four father names attached to them. Because in them days as a man you needed to know who you were breeding with back 4 generations. Hence the saying our four fathers, the viking women 4 times great grandfather was harald hardrarder. I did my dna I am 70.1% Irish scotch Welsh 22.1%. English 5.9% Norwegian viking. Which when I found this out I really wanted to know where the viking came from. My ancient dna is more in the viking kingdoms and England.
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Thanks for all that very informative info. So your grandfather was basically king of the gypsies despite not being a traveller/gypsy himself. Thats quite remarkable.
The only problem is because all these children in photo were born in 1920s I have no record of who they are as the only Stones I have in 1900s basically are the family my fathers family married into from Francis Street in Dublin.
Let me have your grandfathers DOB and any details, his parents etc, and I will see if I can trace this wife of John for you
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Hello,
I have sent you a Google Maps link, the house in it with the bollards outside is situated in Clonlurkan townland, I believe Hynds lived in behind this house further in the fields.
Regards,
TomásD
https://www.google.com/maps/@53.3807623,-7.7112845,3a,75y,247.41h,82.35t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1soATtwUySW0oPQpOOaK1chg!2e0!7i13312!8i6656