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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Wicklow => Topic started by: Lee R on Sunday 19 June 11 12:12 BST (UK)
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I am searching for the parents (family) of my GG Grandfather Anthony Sutton who was born 1803 Glasnamullen, County Wicklow and emigrated to Canada in 1818 at age 15 yrs. It is possible that an Annie Sutton & her brother John who emigrated at the same time were Anthony's siblings. There may be clues from Suttons buried at Calary church. Searching for years. Any help appreciated.
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hi lee,
did you try the familysearch site loads of suttons on there from wicklow.
best wishes,
cyril
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Hi. Thank you for your suggestion. How do I get the Family Search Site?
Lee
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The FamilySearch website is at https://www.familysearch.org/ but you will not find many Irish records on that system for the timeframe you are interested in.
Full civil registration started much later in 1864, and few rural parishes have records back as far as 1800.
Do you know the denomination of your Sutton family ?
The townland of Glasnamullen is in the Civil / Church of Ireland parish of Calary, and the RC parish of Bray.
see : Introduction to Irish Records (http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,442233.0.html)
Shane
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Thank you for your reply. Yes the "family search" does in fact find Anthony Sutton, however it sheds no light on his parents or siblings. Is there a site in Wicklow that lists online names buried in cemeties there? Calary Church or others in that area?
Thanks again
Lee
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you can see a transcription for Calary (CofI) at this link, but it's a cached version from google - the live IGP link seems to be broken - link (http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:bZWKQB1Ypn4J:www.igp-web.com/igparchives/ire/wicklow/photos/tombstones/1headstones/calary.txt+igp+wicklow+calary&cd=2&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=ie&client=firefox-a&source=www.google.ie)
what type of record is the one you found on FamilySearch ?
Shane
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On Family Search I found record of Anthony Sutton, birth (Ireland) residence Canada etc. etc.... but nothing about his parantage.
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I see references to several Canadian records - a death and two census returns. Is this your Anthony ?
Name: Anthony Sutton
Event: Death
Date: 16 Jun 1878
Place: Dunwich, Elgin, Ontario
Age: 75 (estimated year of birth year: 1803)
1861 and 1871 Census returns - located in Southwold, Elgin, Ontario in 1861 and Dunwich b, West Elgin in 1871. Both list him as Widowed, and the 1871 detail shows him as Church of England
I'm not familiar with Ontario BMD records, but maybe the death cert would give you the name of his parents and other useful clues ?
It might also be worth checking out the details of those census returns to see if any family are included
Shane
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Unfortunately historic Church of Ireland records (equivalent to CofE at the time) for the parish of Calary do not survive.
The oldest records listed for the parish in the RCB Library are marriages from 1845, which would be civil records.
Shane
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Yes that is our Anthony and I do have most all information about him and the family from the time he emigrated to Canada from Glassnamellen in 1818. When he was born in 1803 I have no record of his parents and when passed in 1878 there is no record of where he is buried.
Just wondering if there are Suttons living in Wicklow who wouod be related or if there are celetery records of Suttons in the area. This is a long time puzzle...
Thanks for any help ...
Lee
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not sure if you've already seen these - there's a number of Sutton households listed in the same area on the 1901 and 1911 census returns :
1901 - Sutton, Calary DED (http://census.nationalarchives.ie/search/results.jsp?census_year=1901&surname=sutton&exact=&firstname=&county=Wicklow&townland=&ded=Calary&age=&sex=&relationToHead=&religion=&education=&occupation=&marriageStatus=&marriageYears=&childrenBorn=&childrenLiving=&birthplace=&language=&deafdumb=&search=Search&sort=&pageSize=100)
1911 - Sutton, Calary DED (http://census.nationalarchives.ie/search/results.jsp?census_year=1911&surname=sutton&exact=&firstname=&county=Wicklow&townland=&ded=Calary&age=&sex=&relationToHead=&religion=&education=&occupation=&marriageStatus=&marriageYears=&childrenBorn=&childrenLiving=&birthplace=&language=&deafdumb=&search=Search&sort=&pageSize=100)
there are also a number of Sutton households on Griffiths valuation in the same parish - see : link (http://www.askaboutireland.ie/griffith-valuation/index.xml?action=doNameSearch&Submit.x=59&Submit.y=10&familyname=Sutton&firstname=&baronyname=&countyname=WICKLOW&unionname=&parishname=CALARY) Griffith's was a property taxation survey and shows heads of household and details on the holding they occupied. The returns are dated 1852 for this area.
There are links to some Memorial Inscriptions in the 'Wicklow Resources and Links' post at the top of the Wicklow board. I have read that many of the older headstones in Calary graveyards either have no inscription or they are unreadable.
Shane
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you can see a transcription for Calary (CofI) at this link, but it's a cached version from google - the live IGP link seems to be broken - link (http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:bZWKQB1Ypn4J:www.igp-web.com/igparchives/ire/wicklow/photos/tombstones/1headstones/calary.txt+igp+wicklow+calary&cd=2&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=ie&client=firefox-a&source=www.google.ie)
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The IGP link is now working again. You can see a list of the transcriptions and photos for a number of Co. Wicklow cemeteries - including Calary
IGP Web. Co. Wicklow, headstones (http://www.igp-web.com/IGPArchives/ire/wicklow/photos/tombstones/markers.htm)
Shane
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Suttons listed as Head of Households in Calary 1852-53 on http://www.failteromhat.com/griffiths.php include:-
Anthony, Glasnamullen
James, Glasnamullen
John, Glasnamullen
Thomas, Glasnamullen
William, Glasnamullen
Elijah, Ballyremon Commons
Elizabeth, Calary Upper
Maryanne, Calary Upper
Allen, Calary Upper
Samuel, Calary Lower
Richard, Ballinastoe
Areas listed are within yards of one another, dotted around Calary.
Cheers
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I am wondering if anyone would have an idea of any email addresses of Suttons living in the Calary - Glasnamullen area. It is possible that they could be descendants. I appreciate all the help everyone is giving me in this.
Lee R
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You could try searching the Eircom Phone book online to see if there are any Sutton households listed in the area - http://www.eircomphonebook.ie/
Anther option would be to try sending a letter addressed to 'The Sutton household', Glasnamullen, Co. Wicklow Rural postmen usually know their area very well and might be able to deliver to a possible connection if any of the family are still in the area.
Shane
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Hello Lee,
I too have been researching the Wicklow Sutton's for many years.
I think I may have found a possibility for you. I'm wondering if your Anthony could actually have been born Arnold Sutton (20 May 1803 in Wicklow?).
Arnold had a brother Thomas (born 3 Oct 1790) who married an Elizabeth Gilbert. She married again to a David Edge. Children from these marriages were Thomas who died 1902 (married Frances Bennett), and an unknown female who married William Morrison.
Could it be possible that Elizabeth Gilbert then married your Anthony (Arnold)?
The Morrison family were in Canada as was another sister of Thomas, Elizabeth, who married William Bates.
I know it's a bit of a long shot but I think it may be possible.
Kind regards
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See:
http://boards.ancestry.com/surnames.sutton/999/mb.ashx
Other people researching Sutton in Calary area.
PM
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Thank you for your research and thinking of the possibility regarding Anthony Sutton.
What we have been trying to discover:
Who were Anthony's parents in Ireland
Where are he and his wife Betsey buried in Canada
Our Anthony was born in 1803, but January 11, not the date your Arnold was born. We have that on a number of documents. And yes he did marry Elizabeth (Betsey) Gilbert but his Betsey was but 17 (b Feb 5, 1820) when they were married on July 20 1837. They had 8 children and Betsey died giving birth to the 8th child, Elsie in 1859.
However another relative Basil Sutton still with us and living in Ontario Canada believes that Anthony's father could have been named Thomas and his mother may have been Mary, both of Wicklow where Anthony was born.
Basil also believes that Anthony's sister may have been Annie and two brothers were Thomas and John. We know that Anthony emigrated to Canada the same year as Annie and John. Anthony went to Southwold Ontario in 1818 when he was just 15 years of age.
The following is verbatim from Basil Sutton and since you are so familiar with Wicklow it may give you (or others reading this )an idea.
Basil Sutton writes:
"Annie Sutton
Annie Sutton and her older brother John emigrated from Glasnamullen, County Wicklow in 1818 (same time as Anthony)and came to Montreal where Annie stayed while John went to New York. John then went to Southwold township and sent for Annie. The article states that Annie’s father was a surgeon.
Annie Sutton married Thomas Sharon. They had a farm on the west side of Frome.
Thomas' brother Hugh, owned the farm beside them. Annie taught school at Frome for many years. Annie and Thomas are buried in the Frome United Church cemetery. She lived to be 88 and Thomas was 89 when he died.
Thomas Sutton, a bachelor brother came over later and settled in Southwold
John Sutton
John Sutton with a wife and 7 children settled on Lot 21 on April 12, 1814. His wife died soon after at age 31 and is buried on his farm part of which later became the south part of the Frome United Church cemetery.
John later married Catherine A Halls who was 25 years younger than him
His son John Wesley, married Dolphine ? and carried on the farm and their son Harnum W, married Mary A Charlston in St Thomas"
I am wondering if this information may give someone a clue.
Thank you so much for thinking of this and to all who may help in our quest. Lee R
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Hello Lee,
Just wondered if you had read in inclusion on Ancestry.com about Annie Sutton and Thomas Sharon?
It's a very interesting and informative article about the life of Annie and her involevment with the Temperance Movement.
The tree in which it appears is named ShaornKnoxRobinsonHammondTree 2010.
Hope you find it, if you haven't already done so.
llij
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Hi, the original burial book for Calary is still in use. Calary parish was formed in 1832 and there are many Suttons of Glassnamullen listed in the burial book, the earliest being a baby (Elizabeth Victoria) in 1897. However, as Glassnamullen had previously been part of what is now Powerscourt Parish, Suttons continued to be buried at the old graveyard of Stagonil on the Powerscourt estate. Thre is still a family of Suttons farming at Glassnamullen.
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Hi
You may the following link interesting as the Suttons are mentioned several times:-
http://enniskerryhistory.org/home/index.php/archives/1378
Cheers
LH
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Hello Lee.
I too am looking for information going back to Wicklow, Ireland. My Great, Great, Great Grandfather was John Bates (possibly John William) and was married to Elizabeth Sutton of Wicklow. (Elizabeth Sutton Bates was born in 1798 in Wicklow, Wicklow, Ireland. She had one son with John Bates Sr in 1821. She died on October 11, 1869, in Montréal, Quebec, at the age of 71.) Am looking at your post and see a pretty good connection. Let me know if this helps and if you have found any other information. I have a complete Geno of the Bates side from them to my grandkids. If you think there is a link I can fill in more details.
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Greetings,
My Great, Great, Great Grandfather was John Bates Sr., born October 1800 of Wexford. He married Elizabeth Sutton, born June 21, 1798 of Wicklow, Ireland. They had four sons, Edward (1821-1837), John Jr. (1825-1895), William Arnold (1826-1892), and Thomas Sutton (1830-1908). Elizabeth died October 11, 1869, in Montréal, Quebec, and John Sr. died February 6, 1876, in Montréal, Quebec.
John and Elizabeth immigrated from Ireland to Montreal in 1832 with their four sons. I'm looking for any information prior to they're immigration from Ireland.