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Some Special Interests => Travelling People => Topic started by: MiaBurnside on Monday 20 June 11 13:30 BST (UK)
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Hi
Im new to posting although I have lurked for quite a time!
When I was a little girl I used to go out 'hawking' with my Grandma selling rugs around the Leicestershire villages. She'd be done up to the nines with her rings and sovereigns and I would wish I wasn't there! I also used to go out with my Grandad picking up scrap metal and taking it to 'the yard' to weigh it in
Unfortunately she didn't tell me much about her background so I have very limited information to trace her family back. There are names on here that I seem to know. Janey, Wilsons, Elliotts, Fred Smith or is it Fred Elliot
Grandma was Elizabeth Burnside b.1916 Manchester. Her father was Richard Burnside but I'm not sure which one! I think it was the one born Skipton 1880. Her mother was Mary Stewart and I recall her saying her grans name was Annie Stewart.
She married John Joseph Monaghan in 1933. His mother was Nancy Morrison. He died in 1943 and she later married a Tom Woodward. I think he came from travelling stock too. His birth certificate said born in a tent somewhere in Norfolk.
If anyone has any information, please let me know. Please bear in mind I am unable to PM anyone until I've posted x3.
Thanks
Mia
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I forgot to mention. I know live in New Zealand!
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Hi Mia.
Welcome toRootsChat. The names you mentioned were definately travellers. Maybe when a few more people on this board see your post you may get some answers. In the meantime you can reply to me and then be able to PM whom ever you may wish to.
Val :)
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Hi Val
Thank you for replying to my post ;)
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hi, mia, welcome. it would take a bit more info to help you. but for now i can say that i am related to the wilsons, burnsides, and stewerts all well known old travelling folki. there are lots of romany men called dick burnside, and a lot live in the skipton and north yorks areas, and all of the names you mention still travel around today. something i can tell you the wagon in the photo is the rolls royce of its day, looks like a bill wrights, there is no poverty there. these are well off travellers, still holds true today. i used to hawk rugs carpets etc myself. and the wilsons still do. l know what you mean about being ladged, ( embarrased ) when hawking, i used to go out with my mother many years ago now, and did not want to be there! my dad used to say a traveller cannot afford to be ladged, we have to make a living. anyway i am sure you will find lots of info on this site. by the way my brother in law/ had a brother in law, jim burnside, dead now. that did scrap metal in skipton he was first cousin to my dad. so we may be related somewhere? if you want to pm me feel free. bye rob..
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Hi there I am too related to the Stewarts and the Wilsons, but having trouble finding relatives of my Martha Stewart born either Ireland or Yorkshire born approx 1806. She married William Stewart in Yarm in 1824. Any help on Martha Wilson would be a help, as she is my 4th great grandmother. Thanks.
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hi, feesca1, i am in my fifties, when i was a boy and i never asked my family about the stewart connection. except we camped with jimmy stewart. my mothers first cousin born penrith cumberland circa 1920s, sadly all the older folks are dead, and as yet i have not began to research that side of my tree, there is info on them living in foster street penrith on familysearch.org in 1881 census, they were hawker/horse and general dealers. some went to the kendal, ulveston areas, others scotland,they are a fairly large traveller family. as with most romany folki, family relations. are a lot more verbal than written, i know they were in lancashire also. my mother was a miller, and you will often find both familys living in the same areas on censuses., sorry i cannot help more at this time. but when i get round to researching them i will let you know if i find a connection. rob...
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Mia ,your gran was my Aunt Lizzie ,i am Janey Wilson- Smith daughter ,i have a couple of photos of your gran ,she used to hawk polish with my mam both gorgeous blondes .my great granny was burnside i remember Johny and Jimmy Stewart ,lizzie was her cousin .i am so exited to see this post Janeo ,ps i'm in Canada .
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i also remember tommy woodward ,he used to call me gyppo , i would tell him ''it takes one to know one ''he was a very good looking man ,dark with a tache ,lovely memories,i have a lot of info on Wilson /Burnside and a lot of photos ,will be so glad to share .
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Hi to Rob and Feesca........I've already said hello big time to Janey via PM ;D
Any road up....thank you for replying to my post. Janey has helped loads and put me on the right path with the Burnsides and we are related which is fab news
I am really struggling with my Gt Grandma Mary Stewart b abt.1887 and her mother Annie. She married Richard Burnside in Jun 1911 and thats all I know. I'm just posting this in case anyone has them in their trees
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LOL...sorry that pic is a bit big
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Hi,
I only started researching my family tree yesterday so i am very new to all of this. Burnside is my mothers maiden name, her father been tommy burnside son of henry and mary burnside (maiden name cunningham) henrys parents were edward and hannah burnside. this is as far as i have come wih it but my mum mentions they were from a travelling background and also i have spotted in this post that there is a mention of a a richard burnside, and i was wondering if he is the same richard i have who is brother to edward. I was wondering whether there was any family connection or not.
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Hi my Family are Burnsides /Wilson ,i have Edward 1816 and Anna Burnside 1818 ,they had lots of children they were my great great grandparents through their daughter hannah /anna they had lots of children ,can you narrow it down to dates and districts? .I found them easy to trace .Lots of info on them .This family tree stuff is very addictive ,great fun xxxxx Janeo
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Thanks for your reply. It is very addictive! ha....I will get back to you with dates etc once I have found out a bit more info. xx
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Hi All
My Mum was born Margaret Burnside 1935 and my Nan was Born Edna Burnside 1911 they were born in The Old Tinkers Yard In Huddersfield..My Nan had many brothers and sisters inc Mary Agnes , Martha, John , other possible names are alice, henry , think their where up to 13 in total
My Nan lost her leg at an early age when the wheel of the vardo crushed her leg when she was asleep under it ring any bells ???
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Hi all
My Mum was Born Margaret Burnside 1935 My Nan was born Edna Burnside 1911 they were born in
The Old Tinkers Yard Huddersfield My Nan had many brothers and Sisters which Inc.. Mary Agnes, Martha, John, other possibly names are Alice, Henry , dont know any others would love to hear any info
My Nan lost her leg at an early age when the Vardo she was sleeping under moved and crushed it ring any bells ??? :(
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BURNSIDE BAPTISMS
DUR
DUR Aycliffe St Andrew bp2/4/1820 Ambrose s/o Ambrose/Elizabeth, potter of A
DUR Aycliffe St Andrew bp7/12/1824 Edward s/o Edward/Sarah, potter of A
DUR Aycliffe St Andrew bp10/12/1826 Jonas s/o Edward/Sarah [Ø]
DUR Aycliffe St Andrew bp25/9/1831 Mary d/o Edward/Sarah, potter now lab of A
DUR Aycliffe St Andrew bp26/4/1835 James s/o Edward/Sarah, lab of A
DUR Aycliffe St Andrew bp17/9/1838 Ann d/o Edward/Sarah, railwayman of A
DUR Aycliffe St Andrew bp16/3/1841 Ambrose s/o Edward/Sarah, lab of A
DUR Aycliffe St Andrew bp17/12/1843 Thomas s/o Edward/Sarah, lab of A
DUR Aycliffe St Andrew bp26/9/1847 Edward s/o Edward/Sarah, lab of A
(YKSnow)DUR Barningham bp22/1/1813 Elizabeth d/o John/Jane, potter of Newnham
DUR Hurworth Sll Saints bp19/2/1811 (b4/9/1810) Benjamin s/o John/Jane, he brazier, native of psh of Darlington; she native of Bp Hurworth
WML
WML Appleby St Lawrence bp9/6/1985 (b3/3) Violet Annie d/o Joseph Charles/Violet, scrap.dlr of Dumbarn Caravan site, Burtley, Chester le Street [LIN]
WML Appleby St Lawrence bp8/6/1986 (b24/2) Joseph James Frederick Lockey s/o Joseph
Charles/Violet, dlr of 19, Olive Street, Waldridge Fell, Chester le Street [DUR]
WML Appleby St Lawrence bp7/6/1992 (b15/5) Charles s/o Fawcett Charles/Violet, small
holder of 12, Drum Road, Bartleymor Chester le Street [DUR]
WML Kirkby Stephen bp5/11/1886 Henry s/o Richard/Mary, hkr of Mill Hills
WML Ravenstonedale bp30/5/1977 (b12/5) John Stuart s/o Edward Stuart/Jane, gn.dlr of nfa
YKS
YKS.DON Brampton Bierlow bp2/10/1873 Alice d/o William/Ann, e-w.dlr of Firth Lane
YKS.NLN Deighton bp5/7/1829 Amorous s/o Edward/Sarah, travs of Guisbrorough
YKS.CLE Guisborough bp12/10/1831 Mary d/o Edward/Sarah, potter of G.
YKS.CLE Guisborough bp7/11/1834 Benjamin s/o Edward/Sarah, potter of G.
YKS.CLE Guisborough bp14/3/1840 Sarah d/o Edward/Sarah, potter of G.
YKS.CLE Guisborough bp19/1/1843 Isabella d/o Edward/Sarah, tinker of G.
YKS.CLE Guisborough bp6/6/1846 Joseph s/o Edward/Sarah, potman of G
YKS.CLE Guisborough bp26/11/1847 Thomas s/o Jonas/Elizabeth, potter of G.
YKS.CLE Guisborough bp30/10/1850 William James s/o Jonas/Elizabeth, potman
YKS.CLE Guisborough bp31/7/1853 Elizabeth Mary d/o Jonas/Elizabeth, tinker of G.
YKS.CLE Guisborough bp20/11/1853 Elizabeth d/o Ambrose/Isabella, potter of G.
YKS.CLE Guisborough bp20/1/1856 Edward s/o Jonas/Elizabeth, tinker of G.
YKS.CLE Guisborough bp3/4/1858 Mariann d/o Jonas/Elizabeth, potter of G.
YKS.CLE Guisborough bp16/5/1869 (b12/4) Robert s/o Jonas/Elizabeth, miner of
Westgate
YKS.CLE Guisborough bp13/7/1870 (b30/6) John s/o John/Susannah, potter of Church Street
YKS.DON Hatfield bp9/4/1843 Violet d/o William/Mary, trav with e-w, of Blackwell DUR, b at Stainforth
YKS.YRK Hovingham bp7/9/1837 John s/o Edward/Sarah [Ø]
YKS.CLE Seamer bp16/9/1810 Benjamin, s/o John/Jane, travs
YKS.DON Thorne bp14/11/1847 Isabella d/o William/Mary, e-w.dlr [BURNSIDES sic]
YKS.DON Wath upon Deane bp26/1/1846 Ambrose s/o Edward/Ann, e-w.dlr
YKS.DON Wath upon Deane bp26/12/1847 Edwin s/o Edward/Ann, e-w.dlr [BONSIDE sic]
YKS.DON Wath upon Deane bp17/3/1850 Susannah d/o Edward/Ann, china.dlr of Melton [BONSIDE sic]
YKS.DON Wath upon Deane bp23/10/1859 Thomas s/o Edward/Ann, pt.hkr
YKS.DON Wath upon Deane bp9/3/1862 Mary Ann, illeg d/o -/Susannah [BONSIDE sic]
YKS.DON Wath upon Deane bp1/2/1863 William s/o William/Ann, p.hkr [BONSIDE sic]
YKS.DON Wath upon Deane bp23/8/1863 David s/o Edwin/Ann, e-w.dlr [BONSIDE sic]
YKS.DON Wath upon Deane bp24/11/1861 John s/o Edward/Ann, e-w.dlr
YKS.DON Wath upon Deane bp30/10/1864 Ann Isabella d/o William/Ann, hkr
YKS.DON Wath upon Deane bp29/1/1865 Isabella d/o Edward/Ann, pt.hkr [BONSIDE sic]
YKS.DON Wath upon Deane bp5/7/1868 Jane d/o Ambrose/Susannah, hkr [BONSIDE sic]
YKS.DON Wath upon Deane bp9/10/1870 Alice d/o Ambrose/Susannah, pt.hkr of West Melton
YKS.DON Wath upon Deane bp29/10/1871 Frederick Royson s/o Edward/Mary, hkr of Melton Field
YKS.DON Wath upon Deane bp3/12/1871 Ambrose s/o William/Ann, hkr of Melton
YKS.DON Wath upon Deane bp26/5/1885 George Edward s/o -/Isabella (noi)
BURNSIDE MARRIAGES
(DURnow)T&W Hetton le Hole St Nicholas m24/8/1857 John (full) potter (Edward – glass & china dlr) = Ann FORREST (full) (fa: Hannibal – potter)
DUR Hurworth Sll Saints m9/12/1805 John = Jane RICKABY, botp
DUR Sedgefield St Edmund m29/6/1857 Benjamin BONSIDE (full) hkr (fa: Edward – hkr) = Dinah LINSLEY (under age) (fa: Robonson – hkr)
YKS.NLN Pickering m20/6/1820 William = Elizabeth CUNNINGHAM, botp
YKS.CLE Yarm m23/12/1861 Sarah BURNSIDES (23) (fa: Edward – hkr) = William LINDSLEY (30) hkr (fa: Robert – hkr)
YKS.CLE Yarm m19/2/1873 Edward (24) (fa: Edward – tinner) = Anne PATTISON (21) (fa: James - tinner)
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MORRISON BAPTISMS
CML
CML Penrith Christchurch bp8/8/1869 Anne d/o Joseph/Anne, hkr of Foster Street
CML.WVN Whitehaven St James bp18/8/1861 Ellen Lowther s/o Joseph/Anne, potter of Harris Moor
CML.WVN Whitehaven St James bp4/10/1863 James Lowther s/o Joseph/Ann, potter of Harris Moor
CML Wigton bp10/9/1871 James s/o William/Elizabeth, hkr of W
LAN
LAN.BIF Ulverston St Mary bp2/6/1820 (b13/5) William s/o WilliamHannah, potter of U.
LAN.BIF Ulverston St Mary bp3/11/1909 (b5/10) Agnes d/o John Morgan/Margaret Ann, hkr of Swan Street
LAN.BIF Ulverston St Mary bp1/5/1912 (b14/4) James s/o John Morgan/Margaret Ann, dlr of 12, Swan Street
LAN.BIF Ulverston St Mary bp2/2/1916 (b19/1) Margaret d/o Samson/Annie, gn.dlr of 2, Quebec Street
WML
WML Ashby bp28/5/1845 Elizabeth d/o Joseph/Catherine, trav’g potter
WML Kirkby Stephen bp4/2/1904 Jane d/o John Morgan/Margaret Ann, hkr of Ulverston
YKS
YKS.CLE Guisborough bp3/11/1869 (b17/1?) James s/o James/Mary, e-w.dlr of Church St
YKS.LDS Hunslet St Mary bp19/3/1854 (b6/2) Hannah d/o Joseph/Betty, e-w.dlr of H
YKS.NLN Kirkby Moorside bp16/8/1828 Mary d/o Isaac/Hannah, potman of K.M
YKS.NLN Kirkby Moorside bp25/6/1828 Thomas s/o Isaac (potman soj’g at K.M., s/o Isaac/Ann)/Hannah (d/o Francis/Christiana SWALES)
YKS.NLN Knaresborough Holy Trinity bp19/4/1883 Martha d/o Robert/Elizabeth, gn.dlr of Cistern Hill
YKS.NLN Knaresborough Holy Trinity bp1/5/1890 Elizabeth d/o Robert/Elizabeth, hkr of Fishers Gdns
YKS.NLN Knaresborough Holy Trinity bp11/5/1891 Isabella d/o Robert/Annie Mary, hkr of Briggate
YKS.CLE Thornaby bp12/3/1858 Colin s/o Colin/Clare, hkr of South Stockton
YKS.CLE Thornaby bp25/4/1858 Martha d/o Robert/Nancy, pt.wre.dlr of South Stockton
YKS.CLE Thornaby bp16/1/1860 Lavinia d/o Gollin/Anne, hkr of South Stockton
YKS.CLE Thornaby bp27/5/1860 Joseph s/o Robert/Nancy, hkr of S. Stockton
YKS.CLE Thornaby bp27/5/1860 Mary Ann d/o Alexander/Mary, hkr of S.Stockton
MORRISON CENSUS
1851CML-2425/47/3 Catherine (25) potter’s wife +1 [spouse of Towson LOWTHER]
1851CML-2425/52/16 Isaac (83) pauper, Nancy (72) +1
1861CML-3900/45/1 John (25) hkr, Margaret (25) +1
1861CML-3949/99/4 Joseph (22) lab, Ann [née LOWTHER] (24) +2
1871CML-5202/14/22 Joseph (45) tinsmith, Elizabeth (43) +6
1871CML-5202/15/23 John (35) rz.gr, Margaret (23) +4
1871YKS-4857/61/12 Isaac (40) pt.hkr, Christiana (26) +0
1881YKS-4844/72/9 Isaac (40) hkr +1
1891YKS-3747/7/7 Ann (51) lic.hkr +0
1911YKS-Huddersfield, Sch 188, Thomas (49) hkr, Hannah (51) Jane (28) Hannah (21) Margaret (13) Jane (70) [with LOWTHER]
MORRISON NEWSPAPERS
Yorkshire Daily Observer 10 June 1910 George LOWTHER, Enoch and Robert VAREY, John MORRISON and James WILSON, gipsy hkrs at Lancaster Court
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STEWART BAPTISMS
CML
CML Arthuret bp28/7/1816 William s/o John/Jane, potter of Stanoix
CML Bridekirk bp3/4/1832 Jacob s/o Richard/Sarah, potter, Little Broughton [ot]
CML.WVN Brigham bp12/5/1833 William s/o William/Ann, potter of Little Broughton
CML.WVN Brigham bp3/2/1835 Benjamin s/o William/Ann, hkr of Broughton
CML.WVN Brigham bp25/10/1835 George s/o George/Jane, hkr of Little Broughton [STUART sic]
CML.WVN Brigham bp8/7/1838 George s/o Richard/Sarah, potter of Little Broughton
CML.WVN Brigham bp11/12/1842 Margaret d/o Richard/Jane, potter of Broughton
CML Carlisle Christchurch (St Cuthbert) bp25/8/1839 John s/o William/Ann, potter of Upperby
CML Castle Carrock bp12/2/1843 Elizabeth d/o Edward/Mary, potter of Long Dyke
CML.WVN Cockermouth All Saints bp19/8/1849 Sarah d/o William/Ann, potter of C
CML Crosthwaite bp25/7/1728 James s/o Thomas/Elizabeth, a trav (born at Row End) [STEWERT sic]
CML Culgaith Chapelry bp24/8/1834 George s/o Edward/Mary, potter of Clumithwait?
CML.WVN Distington bp14/3/1829 Ann d/o Benjamin/Margaret, potter of D
CML.WVN Gosforth bp23/10/1864 William s/o Edward/Elizabeth, hkr lodging at Cross Head
CML.WVN Hensingham bp22/6/1890 William s/o William/Jane, hkr of H
CML.WVN Hensingham bp12/6/1892 Charlie s/o William/Jane, hkr of H
CML.WVN Hensingham bp26/5/1895 Andrew s/o Richard/Annie, hkr of H
CML Hesket bp12/2/1837 Edward s/o William/Ann, potter of Scough Dyke
CML Hesket bp13/6/1841 Isabella s/o William/Ann, potter of Scough Dyke
CML Hesket bp30/8/1846 Sarah d/o Charles/Jane, potter of Zarn oppening
CML Hesket bp26/5/1858 Edward s/o Edward/Margaret, potter of Low Hesket
CML Hesket bp29/3/1863 Mary d/o Edward/Margaret, potter of Low Hesket
CML Hesket bp12/9/1886 Charles s/o Edward/Jane, hkr of Low Hesket
CML Hesket bp19/4/1891 James s/o Edward/Jane, hkr of Aiket Gate
CML Hesket bp7/5/1893 Edward s/o Edward/Jane, hkr of Aiket Gate
CML Irthington bp6/12/1825 Mary d/o John/Jane, potter of Newtown [STEWARD sic]
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STEWART BAPTISMS continued
CML Penrith Christchurch bp13/1/1856 Elizabeth d/o George/Jane, pt.dlr of Town Head
CML Penrith Christchurch bp18/10/1863 Swales s/o William/Ann, potter of Townhead
CML Penrith Christchurch bp26/3/1865 Edward s/o William/Ann, hkr of Foster St. [STUART sic]
CML Penrith Christchurch bp24/6/1866 Mary Jane d/o Edward/Elizabeth, hkr, Foster Street [STUART sic]
CML Penrith Christchurch pbp18/2/1867 Mary Ann d/o William/Ann, hkr of Foster St
CML Penrith Christchurch bp18/8/1878 Margaret d/o James /Mary Ann, hkr of Foster St
CML Penrith Christchurch bp26/3/1882 Harriet d/o James/Mary Ann, hkr of Foster St
CML Penrith Christchurch bp27/4/1884 James s/o James/Mary Ann, hkr of Foster St
CML Penrith Christchurch bp15/8/1886 George s/o James/Mary Ann, hkr of Foster St
CML Penrith Christchurch bp16/10/1887 Jacob s/o James/Mary Ann, hkr of Foster St
CML Penrith Christchurch bp19/1/1890 George s/o James/Mary Ann, hrs.dlr of Foster St
CML Penrith Christchurch bp4/3/1892 Isaac s/o James/Mary Ann, hrs.dlr of Foster St
CML Penrith Christchurch bp22/5/1896 Thomas Moore s/o James/Mary Ann, hrs.dlr Foster St
CML Penrith Christchurch bp22/10/1897 John s/o James/Mary Ann, hrs.dlr of Foster St
CML Penrith Christchurch bp22/9/1901 (b9/9) Mary Ann d/o James/Mary Ann, hrs.dlr of Foster St
CML Penrith Christchurch bp27/3/1904 Thomas Lowther s/o James/Mary Ann, hrs.dlr of 1, Skinner St
CML Penrith Christchurch bp24/3/1907 Mht. Howard d/o James/Mary Ann, gn.dlr of Foster St
CML Penrith St Andrew bp2/1/1814 George s/o George/Mary, potter of Townhead, P.
CML Penrith St Andrew bp17/4/1814 John s/o John/Mary, potter of Townhead, P.
CML Penrith St Andrew bp16/4/1815 Charles s/o John/Isabella, potter of Townhead
[STEWARD sic]
CML Penrith St Andrew bp16/1/1817 Ann d/o George/Mary, potter of Townhead, P.
CML Penrith St Andrew bp13/12/1818 Jane d/o John/Ann, potter, Townhead, P [STUART sic]
CML Penrith St Andrew bp22/9/1819 Mary d/o George/Mary, lab of Townhead, P
CML Penrith St Andrew bp31/5/1820 Anna d/o Edward/Mary, farrier of Boroughgate, P. of 6th Dragoon Gds
CML Penrith St Andrew bp22/11/1821 Isabella s/o Edward/Mary, potter of Townhead, P.
CML Penrith St Andrew bp25/11/1821 Sarah d/o George/Mary, potter of Townhead, P.
CML Penrith St Andrew bp21/6/1826 Ann d/o Edward/Mary, potter of Townhead
CML Penrith St Andrew bp4/11/1827 Mary d/o William/Jane, potter of Townhead, P.
CML Penrith St Andrew bp27/8/1828 Mary d/o Edward/Mary, pt.slr of Townhead, P
CML Penrith St Andrew bp7/6/1829 William s/o William/Jane, potter of Townhead, P.
CML Penrith St Andrew bp25/1/1833 Ann d/o William/Jane, potter of Townhead
CML Penrith St Andrew bp29/10/1834 Jane d/o William/Jane, potter of Townhead, P.
CML Penrith St Andrew bp6/11/1836 Margaret d/o William/Jane, potter of Townhead
CML Penrith St Andrew bp17/9/1837 Mary Anne d/o George/Jane, potter of Townhead
CML Penrith St Andrew bp22/4/1838 Isabella d/o Henry/Margaret, lab of Dockray
CML Penrith St Andrew bp15/7/1838 John s/o William/Jane, potter of Townhead
CML Penrith St Andrew bp12/3/1840 William s/o George/Jane, potter of Townhead
CML Penrith St Andrew bp7/2/1841 Sarah d/o William/Jane, potter of Townhead
CML Penrith St Andrew bp17/4/1842 George s/o George/Jane, potter of Townhead
CML Penrith St Andrew bp7/6/1844 Charles s/o George/Jane, potter of Workhouse [STUART sic]
CML Penrith St Andrew bp29/11/1844 Jane d/o Richard/Sarah, potter of Crudmire [STUART sic]
CML Penrith St Andrew bp16/5/1845 Edward s/o William/Jane, potter of Townhead
CML Penrith St Andrew bp26/4/1846 Edward s/o George/Jane, potter of Townhead
CML Penrith St Andrew bp20/12/1848 Jane d/o George/Jane, potter, Townhead [STEWARD sic]
CML Penrith St Andrew bp15/8/1850 Sarah d/o George/Jane, potter of Wapping
CML.WVN St Bees bp4/7/1784 (3) Sarah d/o George/Sally, potter of Hensingham
CML.WVN St Bees bp3/2/1800 George s/o John/Eleanor [Ø]
CML.WVN St Bees bp21/12/1809 (b11/12) Hannah d/o Alexander/Ann
CML.WVN St Bees bp15/3/1812 (b18/2) Ann d/o Alexander/Ann [née MORDOCK]
CML Stanwix bp25/12/1819 James s/o John/Jane, e-w.dlr of Tarraby
CML Torpenhow bp9/2/1852 Michael s/o William/Ann, potter of Bottic
CML Upperby bp25/12/1847 Mary d/o Thomas/Ann, brazier of U
CML Wetheral bp25/11/1832 Margaret, illeg d/o George STUART/Hannah BROWN, potter of Penrith
CML.WVN Whitehaven Holy Trinity bp4/9/1814 Eleanor d/o Alexander/Ann [Ø]
CML Wigton bp22/2/1789 (b31/1) George s/o Charles/Ann, potter of W. [STEWARD sic]
CML Wigton bp5/9/1790 (b17/8) Nancy d/o Charles/Ann [née YOUNG] potter pf W.
CML Wigton bp1/4/1792 (b19/2) Margaret d/o Charles/Ann [née YOUNG] potter of Kirkland [STEWARD sic]
CML Wigton bp28/3/1824 Mary d/o William/Jane, pt.slr of W
CML Wigton bp6/11/1825 Charles s/o William/Jane, pt.slr
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STEWART BAPTISMS continued
DUR
(DURnow)T&W Gateshead Fell St John bp13/5/1888 (b26/4) Christiana Scott s/o John/Barbara of Blue Quarries
DUR Hartlepool Christchurch bp21/1/1874 (b17/9/1873) Annie d/o William/Mary, hkr of Vine Street, Middleton [STEWARD sic]
LAN
LAN.BIF Broughton bp30/10/1808 (14/10) George s/o John/Nancy, trav’g chapman of Greetgate
LAN.BIF Broughton bp2/4/1848 Nancy d/o John/Jane, potter of Cartmel
LAN.BIF Broughton bp30/3/1851 Giles s/o John/Jane, potter of Windmill
LAN.BIF Broughton bp7/10/1854 Margaret d/o John/Jane, potter of Daw Mire
LAN.BIF Cartmel bp19/1/1817 Jane d/o William/Isabel., pt.dlr of Lindal
LAN.BIF Cartmel bp12/3/1817 Anne d/o William/Isabella, pt.dlr of Hard-crag
LAN.BIF Cartmel bp29/6/1844 William s/o John/Jane, potter of Ayside [STUART sic]
LAN.BIF Cartmel bp20/2/1848 (b31/1) Michael s/o Jacob/Joanna, potter of Ayside [STUART
sic]
LAN.BIF Cartmel bp6/8/1854 John s/o William/Anne, potter of Ayside [STUART sic]
LAN.BIF Colton bp23/11/1823 Jacob s/o John/Nancy, potter of Kirthwaite
LAN.BIF Ulverston Holy Trinity bp7/7/1889 Charles s/o --/Esther Jane, of Workhouse
LAN.BIF Ulverston St Mary bp12/11/1843 Michael s/o GeorgeAnn, trav potter of U [STEWARD sic]
LAN.BIF Ulverston St Mary bp11/8/1850 (b27/7) John s/o Charles/Jane, e-w.dlr of U
LAN.BIF Ulverston St Mary bp7/3/1852 (b7/2) Joanna d/o Charles/Jane, e-w.dlr of U
LAN.BIF Ulverston St Mary bp9/10/1853 (b25/9) Jane d/o Charles/Jane, e-w.dlr of U
LAN.BIF Ulverston St Mary bp2/3/1856 (b5/2) Charles s/o Charles/Jane, e-w.dlr of U
LAN.BIF Ulverston St Mary bp18/5/1856 (b1/5) George s/o George/Alice, trav’g potter of U. [STUART sic]
LAN.BIF Ulverston St Mary bp2/5/1858 (b10/4) James s/o Isaac/Margaret, hkr of U
LAN.BIF Ulverston St Mary bp2/5/1858 (b19/4) George s/o Isaac/Margaret, hkr of U [The last two entries make little sense but are accurately copied TL]
LAN.BIF Ulverston St Mary bp15/7/1860 Margaret d/o Isaac/Margaret, hkr of U
LAN.BIF Ulverston St Mary bp29/7/1860 Sarah d/o Charles/Jane, e-w.dlr of U. [STUART sic]
LAN.BIF Ulverston St Mary bp5/3/1865 Isaac s/o Isaac/Margaret, pt.dlr of U
LAN.BIF Ulverston St Mary bp26/1/1868 Ann d/o Isaac/Margaret, hkr of U
LAN.BIF Ulverston St Mary bp22/3/1874 Jacob s/o Michael/Jane, hkr of U
LAN.BIF Ulverston St Mary bp27/5/1883 (b13/5) John s/o William/Jane, hkr of U
LAN.BIF Ulverston St Mary bp30/1/1884 (b?6/1) Nancy d/o Charles/Sarah, hkr of U.
LAN.BIF Ulverston St Mary bp10/10/1886 Sarah d/o Charles/Sarah, gn.dlr of Sunderland
Tce.U
LAN.BIF Ulverston St Mary bp13/5/1896 (b24/4) Mary d/o Charles/Sarah, hkr of Quay Street [STEWARD sic]
LAN.BIF Ulverston St Mary bp27/2/1901 (b13/2) Mary Jane d/o Isaac/Margaret, hkr of FrontEllars
LAN.BIF Ulverston St Mary pbp2/2/1904 (b31/4) Charles s/o John/Jane, hkr of Schuster’s Yd
LAN.BIF Ulverston St Mary pbp17/12/1904 Townson s/o Isaac/Margaret, gn.dlr of 18 Swan St
LAN.BIF Ulverston St Mary pbp17/12/1904 Charles s/o Isaac/Margaret, gn.dlr of 18, Swan St
LAN.BIF Ulverston St Mary bp14/11/1906 (b1/11) Margaret d/o Isaac/Margaret, gn.dlr of 26, Quebec St
LAN.BIF Ulverston St Mary bp22/5/1907 (b7/5) Ada Elizabeth, d/o John/Jane, hkr 10, Quay St
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STEWART BAPTISMS continued
NMB
NMB Alnwick St Michael bp18/8/1872 (b6/7) Margaret d/o William/Mgt, hkr of Pottergate
NMB Alnwick St Michael bp17/2/1879 (b1/2) Margaret d/o James/Margaret, hkr of Clayport St
NMB Doddington bp7/5/1872 William s/o James/Margaret, hkr, North Sunderland
NMB Doddington bp14/5/1877 William s/o Bryce/Mary, trav’g bsk.mkr of Kelso in the road with te[ne]nts
WML
WML Appleby St Lawrence bp13/5/1866 Margaret d/o Joseph/Margaret, hkr of Kendal [STEWARD sic]
WML Brough bp14/5/1871 Christiana d/o Edward/Elizabeth, hkr of B
WML Brougham bp26/4/1846 Edward s/o John/Mary, tramper of Ward Side [STUART sic]
WML Brougham bp26/4/1846 Thomas s/o John/Mary, tramper of Ward Side [STUART sic]]
WML Heversham bp30/6/1828 Edward s/o John/Nancy, potter of Hincaster
WML Heversham bp5/12/1830 Edward s/o John/Nancy, potter of Hincaster [STUERT sic]
WML Heversham bp6/12/1835 Isaac s/o George/Ann, potter of Hincaster
WML Heversham bp6/12/1835 John s/o George/Ann, potter of Hincaster
WML Heversham bp25/8/1839 Margaret d/o George/Ann, potter of Hincaster
WML Kendal Holy Trinity bp13/3/1822 (b18/1/1818) Charles s/o John/Ann, potter of Kirkland
WML Kendal Holy Trinity bp13/3/1822 John s/o John/Ann, potter of Kirkland
WML Kendal Holy Trinity bp3/5/1826 Edward s/o John/Ann, potter of Cartmel [STUART sic]
WML Kendal Holy Trinity bp5/5/1872 Margaret d/o Charles/Sarah, e-w.dlr of Fell Side [STUART sic]
WML Kendal Holy Trinity pbp18/11/1874 William s/o Charles/Sarah, hkr of Fell Side
WML Kendal Holy Trinity bp27/2/1876 Jane d/o Charles/Sarah hkr Fellside [STEWARTSON sic
WML Kendal Holy Trinity bp15/11/1878 Isaac s/o Charles/Sarah, lic.hkr of High Fell side
WML Kendal Holy Trinity bp26/6/1881 John s/o Charles/Margaret, e-w.dlr of Woolpack Yard
WML Kendal Holy Trinity pbp14/4/1889 Ellen d/o Charles/Sarah, gn.dlr of Entry Lane
WML Kendal Holy Trinity bp15/1/1893 Thompson s/o Charles/Sarah, hkr of Stricklandgate
WML Kendal Holy Trinity bp13/10/1895 Mary Ann d/o John/Jane, hkr of Fell Side
WML Kendal Holy Trinity bp23/6/1901 Isaac s/o John/Jane, hkr of High Fell Side
WML Kendal Holy Trinity bp1/12/1905 (b13/11) Elizabeth Annie d/o John/Jane, hkr, 31, Kirkbarrow
WML Kendal Holy Trinity bp16/8/1914 (b13/7) Dennis s/o Thomas/Agnes, hkr of 21, Chapel Lane [STUART sic]
WML Kendal Holy Trinity bp4/3/1917 (b15/2) Maurice s/o Thomas/Agnes, gn.dlr of 22, Chapel Lane
WML Kendal Holy Trinity bp7/7/1932 (b6/1) Abraham s/o John/Hannah [unreadable] Mary, pedlar of 6, Bishop’s Yard [MILLER overwritten by STUART; Robert overwritten by John]
WML Kendal St Thomas bp13/10/1873 Isaac s/o Isaac/Margaret, hkr of Woolpack Yard [ot]
WML Kirkby Stephen bp29/5/1932 (b12/5) Lily Sowerby d/o Jacob SOWERBY/Jemima STEWART, gn.dlr of Stoneshote
WML Long Marton bp11/4/1834 Edward s/o Edward/Mary, potter of Brampton
WML Long Marton bp12/5/1839 William s /o Daniel/Margaret, potter of Brampton
WML Long Marton bp20/10/1839 Richard s/o Daniel/Margaret, potter of Brampton
WML Long Marton bp23/2/1859 William s/o William/Margaret, potter of Brampton
WML Windermere St Martin bp25/12/1839 Esther Ann d/o John/Ann, bsk.mkr of Bowness [SUART sic] [o t, may not be STEWART]
YKS
YKS.NLN Arkendale (in Knaresborough) bp3/4/1828 John s/o Isaac/Jane, trav’g tinman [STUART sic]
YKS.NLN Ingleton bp2/3/1862 Jane d/o John/Martha, hkr of I. [STUART sic]
YKS.NLN Pickering bp4/3/1827 George s/o Henry/Hannah, brazier of P [STEWARD sic]
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Hi there,
My ancestor Ann STEWART/STUART (c 1815-1871) married my ancestor Isaac Pattison (c. 1812-1888) in Whitby, Yorkshire in 1835.
He was a peddler tinner and brazier and lived in and around what is now Teesside in England.
He later married Ann Gordon (nee BURNSIDE) in Middlesbrough in 1880.
I'm looking for a baptism for his first wife, but the census records her birthplace as being Kendal one year, Penrith another and Lancaster another (1851/1861/1871).
How can I find out which branch of the family she belongs too?!
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Since you have found Ann STEWART in three censuses and she is also with Isaac in 1841 at 1291/6//49/15 as Ann PATTERSON (age 25) where she claimed to have been born within the county (Yorkshire) the way to find out which baptism is hers is to eliminate all the others. If you should find any other Ann STEWART in any census then you know that they are not the right one.
These are referred to as 'negative checks', looking for who she is not, and you end up with who she must be. From there on if you fill out the brothers and sisters of both Ann and Isaac you can see where the forenames are coming from and a pattern emerges.
TL
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In my family tree I have an Isaac Stewart married to a Jane Francis.
Isaac Stewart was born in Dundee, Scotland father was called William Stewart.
Jane Francis was born in Ireland and her fathers name was Thomas Francis.
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Martha Wilson was born in 1806 in Ireland and died in 1866
married William Stewart on the 28th November 1824 Yarm, Yorkshire.
William Stewart born 1796 Scotland died 1856 Easington Lane, Durham, England
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Hi and just seen these replies - sorry for just getting them. Thank you - I'll look into the negative searches but until then I can't confirm if we are connected Angela - thank you however and I'll keep looking.
Cheers,
Peter
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hello i am a Burnside from skipton and my grate granddad was Richard Burnside i wounder if its the same 1 ?
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Hi do you have an idea when he was born? Richard [Dickie ] is a family name so lots of them ! .Richard Burnside 1855 was my great-grannie Hannahs brother ..
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My Grate grate granddad Richard Burnside was born 1849-1928 married to Mary firth 1858-1904
his mam & Dad is William Burnside 1818-1900 marride to Mary Cunningham 1817-?
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i have a photo of Mary Firth and William Grace Jane and Susanna her children n.The photo on here of the waggon is i believe William Burnside .Mia is family to you .Your Burnsides were cousins to mine . If you would like to see the photos i can email them to you .x Janeo
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I'd love to see the pic i have loads of old pics of the Burnides!
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Hi, MIA, please get in touch with me i live in skipton and I'm the younger generation of burnsides i no a lot of my family history! xx
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Hello to you all, I am new to all this ancestry stuff. I have been doing my family tree on ancestry and have come to my third great grandmother violet bonside (burnside) born 1842. Her parents were Edward bonside (burnside) and Ann Bonside (burnside). Her siblings include susannah (born abt 1841), william (born abt1842), Hannah (born abt 1843), ambrose ( born abt 1846), ann (born abt 1846) edwin (born abt 1847) , edward ( born abt 1848), richard (born abt 1855) and isabella ( born abt 1858).
I have been struggling because i was looking for bonsides and on some census they are burnsides. It was one census where the occupation of edward was entered as pottery/ glass hawker and ann was entered as hawker. I will admit i had to google the meaning of hawker to find out.
If anyone can help me fill in the details of the family it would be really appreciated and any photographs would be fantastic. I have read several posts before replying and I am sure that you will be able to help me. Thankyou very much for reading my post. I hope someone will reply. :)
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There are lots of Trees on Ancestry with all of this set out. You are connected way back in my Burnsides. It is difficult with the misspelling of the name. Burnsides were travelers. A most interesting heritage. Will pm you with my Tree. :) :) Val
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Dear Dawnie ,Edward and Ann Burnside were my greatgreat grandparents ,my greatgrandmother Hannah / Ann married Terrans Rafferty first
and then my greatgrandad Andrew Wilson .I found only one census with them down as Bonside ..lots of records about them ...Janeo
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Can anyone help find the birth of Margaret Stewart b 1843c England ? parents Alexander Stewart and Alice Torrence, they were travellers so maybe the birth wasn't registered.she married charles rutherford who was the son of esther faa blythe.i can only find 3 kids for them aswell and i am sure there were more.any help greatly appreciated.
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HI THERE IS ANY ONE RELATED TO THESE FOLK MY GRANPARENTS GREATGREAT GRANPARENTS THE NAMES ARE HENRY BURNSIDE BORN KIRBY 1825 HANNAH BURNSIDE LIVED HENRITTA ST WHITBY BORN FEREBY LINCON 1828 MAIDEN NAME CD BE CUNNINGHAM /WILLAM BURNSIDE BORN KIRBY MILLS 1852 MABEL BURNSIDE 1866 CHRISTIANA BURNSIDE BORN1907 DIED 1940 THIS WAS MY GRANMA ANY ONE WHO MAY BE FAMILY PLEASE HELP WE HAVE BEEN TO KIRBY TO VISIT SOME FAMILY GRAVES ARE FAMILY ARE OLD TRAVELLERS ALL HAWKERS
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BURNSIDE FAMILY WERE ALSO BAILEY FAMILY FROM KIRBY / WHITBY AND DURHAM SCOTLAND AND LINCON YORK RIPON LEEDS
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Good evening guys,
I am currently writing a historical fiction novel in which a group nicknamed the Burnplatters also known as 'Duediz' feature heavily. They at one time dwelled on the 'Burnt Platts' at Worsell now known as Worts Hill at Pole Moor in Scammonden on the border of Yorkshire and Lancashire. I do know they would move around the Marsden Moor estate at the time, probably because the estates in the Worsell area were owned by the Earl of Dartmouth. On the Huddersfield Exposed Website, it seems that someone had been also researching the same thing. I've emailed the person that runs the website and he is unable to corroborate whether the Burnsides' really were the family that dwelled on the Burnt Platts.
I first stumbled across the group when reading the D.F.E. Sykes novel 'Miriam - A Tale of Pole and the Greenfield Hills.' What I will say is, if it is true, (which I think it is.) I am sure they were not the only family that were living on the Platts at that time. Other names I have come across that were possibly residing there were Sykes, Armitage, Parkin, Pearson, Sugden and Shaw (mostly typical Yorkshire surnames). The Scot heritage seems to fit with the Burnsides, Morrison and Stewart; names of more Scottish heritage. Another reference to 'Duediz' is a rumour that these families were former Jacobite militiamen of Bonny Prince Charles, and they took refuge in the wilderness following the abandonment of the Jacobite cause and his flight from the front lines. The fact that the platters were travellers and were 'hawking' and pushing wares seems to fit with other references I have come across which points towards these being the real Burnplatters. I am very excited at the potential of finding the peoples that actually dwelled on the Burnt Platts in their stone and mud hovels thatched with sods. The following is the link directly to the location of Burnt Platts as referenced on Huddersfield Exposed. https://huddersfield.exposed/wiki/Burnt_Platts,_Slaithwaite (https://huddersfield.exposed/wiki/Burnt_Platts,_Slaithwaite)
I would love to get into contact with any Burnside, Morrison, Stewart, Shaw, Sugden or anyone else for that matter with any information, family folk tales of old about these families that would dwell on the Burnt Platts. Any help would be absolutely brilliant!
Thanks
Steve