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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Wicklow => Topic started by: mirrin on Tuesday 21 June 11 15:37 BST (UK)
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A story in the family is that my grandmother's cousin Dorothy Piggot (from Scotland) married age 16 to an Irishman. Do not have whereabouts of marriage or dates. (My grandmother ( Mary Reid) was born 1880 - gives an idea of the possible time scale)
The story goes that she was widowed at 24 and had 3 children.
She was in Bray, I presume County Wicklow.
Further speculation is that her husband was a laird, if not perhaps wealthy.
Another problem is that I do not have any clues to her maiden name or any other information on her. The surname Piggot is not in my family tree at all, perhaps it is her married name.
Possible too that she could be my greatgrandmother's cousin. Great grandmother's married name (Reid) was also Mary born 1852 in Scotland. The Irish connection is that her mother was Mary McBlain who came from Ireland to Scotland.
I have tried a few searches on the County Wiklow sites but made no progress.
I realise this is very much a needle in a haystack situation. Maybe there is someone who could come up with some ideas. Very pleased to have any help or suggestions. Thanks Mirrin
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Wonder if this could be any connection? (only Dorothy Piggott in both census years):
1901 census-
www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Down/Dundrum/Dundrum/1226928
1911 census-
www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Down/Dundrum/Main_Street/236496
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Thankyou very much for that. Perhaps the story that I have heard has some truth in it. In the 1901 census it show that the wife Elizabeth (Shairp) Piggot was born in Glasgow which is the area that the family come from. Also her mother Martha MacKintosh was born in Rutherglen also fits, as family come from there too. I see that the husband William is a landowner something that was in the tale.
At the moment I do not know anything at all about Elizabeth Shairp the wife that is something that I can check out to see if she is an ancestor. I'll also check her mother Martha, Martha being a name in the family then. Though I do not have the names of Shairp or McKinnon in my tree.
You have given me something to work on here in Scotland and that is great.
I wonder about the daughter Dorothy's middle name of De Say, quite unusual, do you know whre that might be from. I am not familar with Irish records.
Many thanks again. Mirrin
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Have been doing a bit more searching.
Elizabeth Shairpe MacKintosh was the daughter of John Broun MacKintosh & Martha Blair. She marriwed William Jackson Piggot on 21 Nov.1888 at Old Monkland Church, Coatbridge. Two daughters- Dorothy De Say (born 2 Sept.1893) and Ethelreda Jackson.
William Jackson Piggot was quite a well-known historian and perhaps he chose the names for his two daughters.
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Thankyou for the latest information, i appreciate it very much. I now doubt any connection with Dorothy and wonder how the story in the family developed.
I tried to find the marriage of Elizabeth and William on Scotlands People but found no record of it. Did you find it on Ancestry?Could not find a birth for Martha Blair either.
Thanks again for your help. Mirrin
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If you google "William Jackson Pigott" lots of information comes up, including several family trees.
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Thanks again. I will try and find out if there is a distant connection somewhere to the Piggot family.
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Hello Mirrin,
I found your posting and wondered if you solved the mystery? I have a Mary McBlain, born in 1815 in County Down, whose family came to Scotland. She married John Robertson in Cambuslang c1850, and had a daughter Mary in c1851. Mary Robertson married James Reid in Cambuslang in 1873.
If this is the same Mary McBlain, she had a younger sister, Martha, born in Rutherglen in c1835, whose youngest daughter married William Pigott, so that Martha had a granddaughter born in Ireland called Dorothy, who would been Mary Reid's cousin once removed. A lot of the incidental details in your mystery fit with the family I am looking at, which is indeed the Pigott family in Dundrum. Some of the details seem to fit Elizabeth Mackintosh and some might fit a Helen whom I am investigating to see if she was Elizabeth's surviving sister.
Murray Tosh
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Hello Murray It looks like same family. What information do you have re Mary McBlain's family. Mary born c1815 you said Martha her younger sister born in Rutherglen 1835! her daughter married William Piggot their daughter Dorothy born in Ireland. I dont know anything about her.
As you say John Robertson married Mary McBlain, it was a second marriage for them both.
Which branch are you connected to.
Mirrin
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Hi I have been away from this posting for some time, so not as familiar as I was. I see the name in previous posting is Martha Blair so looks like she is not Mary McBlain's sister.
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Hi, I am researching Martha McBlain, sister of the Mary who married Muir and Robertson. Her parents were John McBlain and Jane McRoberts. She was born in Rutherglen c1834, married John Tosh, took Mackintosh as her surname and died in 1909 in Dundrum Co. Down. I have most events for her 12 children and some for her six grandchildren. These are cousins and 2nd cousins to the descendants of Mary McBlain. Am happy to share if you are still interested. Murray Tosh
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Hello again. I missed your 1st reply. Yes, Mary was a lot older, but you'll have found John and Jane McBlane in the census in 1841 and 1851, and you'll see Martha with them. They also had a Jannet Muir granddaughter with them in 1851. I am not related to Martha, but to her husband, John Tosh, so her children are also related to me. Your family story is correct, except that it was Martha's daughter Elizabeth who married the Irish land proprietor, William Pigott; her daughter Helen (Johnston) who was widowed with 3 young children, and Elizabeth's daughter who was called Dorothy. Martha was with the Pigotts in Dundrum Down in 1901, and seems to have died there in 1909. I didn't know of the County Wicklow connection you mentioned earlier, and perhaps this is where some of them ended up, as vital events in the 1900s are rather elusive. Murray
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Hi Murray Yes I have the 1851 census showing Martha age 16, her sister Mary was born County Down. Mary died in 1894 age 79. I have confirmed that John McBlain father of Mary and Martha was born Ireland died in Cambuslang 29.12.1860, buried in Rutherglen. (cotton weaver) Jane McRoberts his wife died 28.3.1872 aged 79 in Glasgow. Can confirm that John McBlain's parents are William McBlain (stonemason) and Mary McAllister.
Thank you for the information re Dorothy Piggot. Was her father as suggested previously William Jackson Piggot a historian? Can you tell me anything more about him. It is interesting how a wee rumour over the years in a family can be confirmed. My ancestors are Mary McBlain and John Robertson.
Mirrin
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Yes Mirrin,her parents were William Pigott and Elizabeth Sharp Tosh (aka Mackintosh). She died in 1963, and you can find details on Ancestry. Pigott was a minor landowner, who lived at Manor House in Dundrum, and he did a lot of fmaily history research. Another sister, Agnes, died in 1897 in Chelsea Massachusetts, the wife of William Brown, a carpenter born in Ireland, who died in Chelsea later the same year. Jane McBlain might have married Robert Moore, but I haven't pursued that.
If you send me an email address, I can give you chapter and verse on Dorothy's parents and Scottish grandparents, and a little on her sister and her aunt Jane Tosh/Johnston.
Murray
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Sorry, lapse in concentration. Dorothy's aunt was Helen Tosh, who married Samuel Johnston. Dorothy appears to have been one of 8 cousins.
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Hi there
Came across this discussion by chance
I am interested in the Jackson family whom William Jackson Pigott's mother came from
They were living in my local area in co. Tipperary.
William Pigott lived here for a while before relocating to Dublin and Dundrum co. Down
This branch of the Jacksons died out and as far as i know there are no relatives left
Might be of interest to you
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http://www.rootschat.com/links/01nyo/ Estate: Jackson (Tincurry)
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https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSH3-33ZJ-V?i=45&cat=185720
No; 334791
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Documents relating to property of the Fennell family in Co. Tipperary, with references to the families of Jackson, Ryall, Palliser and Gough, 1764 - 1843. Dublin: Public Record Office, D.17,138-77; T. 7097-8
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"Photostat" copy of a register giving particulars of births, deaths and marriages of members of the Fennele family, Killcommonbeg, Co. Tipperary, 1626 - 1803. Dublin: National Library of Ireland, Ms. 10,947