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Hi,
We are trying to find what happened to Albert Leonard New b. 24.12.1883 after 1911, when he was living at Newbury, England aged 28 years, a Painter. He was living with his Uncle & Aunt, John & Fanny New, at that time, but a few days later after the census was taken, John & Fanny migrated to Australia. Albert was married to Fanny Elizabeth Townsend Wheeler in 1904, had a son Roy Leslie Townsend New born 1906. By 1911 census, his son is not with his father.No more is known what happened to Albert Leonard New after 1911.
In fact so far cannot find where his wife was living as well, but we do know that she died in 1914 in Newbury.
Wonder if anyone could assist me to see if there are any shipping records for his possible migration to Australia, or even Canada, as later on, his son was sent there as a Home Child in 1920.
We just cannot find his death anywhere in England, just disappeared off the face of the earth.
janjim
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Hi...Sorry I cant help you with possible shipping/passenger list to Oz, but here are
some burials you may not have.
Mike.
6 Dec 1835 Albert New inf Dorset Shaftesbury, Holy Trinity
14 Jan 1883 Albert New 33 Dorset Upwey, St Lawrence
16 Dec 1885 Albert New 1 Berkshire Hungerford, St Lawrence
15 Apr 1905 Albert Leonard Townsend New age 1m Berkshire Newbury, Newtown Rd Cemetery
31 Mar 1870 Albert William New age 1 Dorset Mappowder, St Peter & St Paul
2 Jan 1908 Reginald Albert New 25 Dorset Upwey, St Lawrence
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Hi,
Well, thanks for this saddles, Albert Leonard New was definitely alive in 1911, so we can count all of these people out, but certainly Albert Leonard Townsend New was his son, died as a baby
jan
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Just saw this thread [from a link to a new NEW thread]
Have you obtained Fanny's death certificate to see who the informant was? This might tell you if Albert Leonard was around if not already dead himself or serving in WW1.
Fanny E T New
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1876
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1914
Age at Death: 38
Registration District: Wallingford
Inferred County: Berkshire
Volume: 2c
Page: 429
Josey
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Hi,
I found this burial for Fanny,
Fanny Elizabeth Townsend NEW
30 Dec 1914
Church Name: County Lunatic Asylum
Cholsey, Berkshire
Age:38
Address: Berks County Asylum
In 1911 try F A J NEW if looking on Ancestry or just F NEW ( comes up as F A T NEW) if looking on findmypast I think this could be her.
Regards,
Daisy
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Well found, Daisy.
I wonder if the records for the son Roy's emigration to Canada in 1920 as a home child mention his father at all? It is possible to obtain the records, I understand.
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Not sure if this will help any
http://www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/databases/home-children/001015-119.01-e.php?&id_nbr=95229&&PHPSESSID=4r0oap4fof5o5qb1sp5121c8c5
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Another good find! Worth following up. Also worth looking for Roy on the 1921 Canada census & bmds. If his descendants can be located & identified, they might have been told something about Arthur.
ADDED: In 1921 Roy is lodging with a Holder family on Dumfries South, Ontario address 'lot 10 con 3'; farm labourer aged 15.
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related thread, as Roy went back to England & married there: http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=540642.0
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I know years have gone by, and still searching for this Albert Leonard New. As he was living with his Aunt and Uncle John New in Newbury just prior to their migration to Australia in 1911, we now think that maybe he changed his name and migrated with the family to Australia.
Family members cannot find his death in England, yes it is possible that he went to War too, but guess we need 1921 census, may give us a better idea.
I am really looking for any other thoughts from Rootschat members.
Thank you all for your previous help.
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I know years have gone by, and still searching for this Albert Leonard New. As he was living with his Aunt and Uncle John New in Newbury just prior to their migration to Australia in 1911, we now think that maybe he changed his name and migrated with the family to Australia.
Family members cannot find his death in England, yes it is possible that he went to War too, but guess we need 1921 census, may give us a better idea.
I am really looking for any other thoughts from Rootschat members.
Thank you all for your previous help.
A couple of ideas:
On the burial record for his son in 1905 there's an address given as 3 Castle View Cottages, Old Newtown Road, Newbury http://www.fnrcnewbury.org.uk/persondetails.asp?PersonID=5993 (http://www.fnrcnewbury.org.uk/persondetails.asp?PersonID=5993) If this was a relative's address then he may have gone back there and perhaps be on the electoral roll.
Could he have remarried after the death of his wife?
Or perhaps, like my own New ancestors from Newbury, he headed for London. Searching for a burial there is fun! ::)
Does Roy's marriage cert have him down as dec'd or give another occupation?
Hope this helps :)
Laura
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If he died without family ( not sure if son would forgive him for shipping him off ) I am also always mindful that women in asylums may have also been torn from their family because they were having extreme menopausal issues. or: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/you/article-2141741/Sent-asylum-The-Victorian-women-locked-suffering-stress-post-natal-depression-anxiety.html
Maybe nobody knew his middle name. Not sure if this is one you'll ever prove & waiting for a descendant doesn't appear likely. Did you make contact with the son's family or is that YOU?
Not in the vicinity but this one is close to correct age ....but age could be off by a decade or more if person filling out forms had no idea.
Deaths Mar Q. 1969 ALBERT NEW 87 BRENT 5A 356
Hopefully, as you say, the next census will help you further....
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Leslie Roy T New 1906 Apr-May-Jun Newbury Berkshire 2c 272
https://www.ancestry.co.uk/mediaui-viewer/tree/746468/person/420067378044/media/e48e0e84-8520-4559-9254-a83695f46d6d is an image of Roy's emigration papers as a Home Child
In 1911 Roy is a visitor, aged 5, in the home of Thomas and Clara Goatley at 1 Riverside Cottages, West Mills, Newbury, Berks
An Ancestry user Dawnnew34 has a potential sighting of Albert in 1930 via the electoral roll:
1930 • Homestead, Liverpool Road, Bankstown, New South Wales, Australia, Occupation: Upholsterer
BUT there is a caveat that they aren't 100% sure it's the same person
HOWEVER a couple of other trees have Uncle John also dying at Bankstown NSW?
Any good to you?
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I know years have gone by, and still searching for this Albert Leonard New. As he was living with his Aunt and Uncle John New in Newbury just prior to their migration to Australia in 1911, we now think that maybe he changed his name and migrated with the family to Australia.
Family members cannot find his death in England, yes it is possible that he went to War too, but guess we need 1921 census, may give us a better idea.
I am really looking for any other thoughts from Rootschat members.
Thank you all for your previous help.
A couple of ideas:
On the burial record for his son in 1905 there's an address given as 3 Castle View Cottages, Old Newtown Road, Newbury http://www.fnrcnewbury.org.uk/persondetails.asp?PersonID=5993 (http://www.fnrcnewbury.org.uk/persondetails.asp?PersonID=5993) If this was a relative's address then he may have gone back there and perhaps be on the electoral roll.
Could he have remarried after the death of his wife?
Or perhaps, like my own New ancestors from Newbury, he headed for London. Searching for a burial there is fun! ::)
Does Roy's marriage cert have him down as dec'd or give another occupation?
Hope this helps :)
Laura
Laura, yes, several of our New family members went to London. It is possible he re-married after his wife died, but trouble finding him, one of his nephews in Australia changed his name, after his marriage disintegrated, so who knows what happened to him.
However, Laura I am most interested to know which New family line you come down. I come down the line of John New (Policeman)and Ellen Thorn from Newbury, first son Charles New b. 1854, then son Charles Edmund New b. 1876, (migrated to Australia 1912) and Edmund Walter New b. 1913 Australia. Jan
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Thank you everyone, that is an interesting one, a possible death in 1969, thanks for that. The information of a John Leonard New at Bankstown, we know about him, he comes from the other side of the family, a descendant of Daniel New, so no connection there for Albert.
We have information on Albert's son Roy New, as a Home Child, but have never ever found Roy's father's death.
Jan
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Laura, yes, several of our New family members went to London. It is possible he re-married after his wife died, but trouble finding him, one of his nephews in Australia changed his name, after his marriage disintegrated, so who knows what happened to him.
;D ;D They don't make it easy for us do they.
However, Laura I am most interested to know which New family line you come down. I come down the line of John New (Policeman)and Ellen Thorn from Newbury, first son Charles New b. 1854, then son Charles Edmund New b. 1876, (migrated to Australia 1912) and Edmund Walter New b. 1913 Australia. Jan
My family line is Henry New b.1820 (m: Elizabeth Randall) Farm Labourer - His son Peter New b.1861 Platelayer for GWR (m: Annie Teel/Teal) - His son Leonard James New b.1894 Porter (my great-grandfather).
Just seen your last post. Have you looked for a death under his middle name? I'd been looking for Leonard's burial info for a while and thanks to a kind lady named Margaret efforts at Paddington Old Cemetery, she discovered what may well be him reg under James (which i hadn't even thought to check!) ::) I'm just waiting to see if her boss lets her go to the archives to get more info so I can double check with age, informant etc.
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Laura,
Are you aware of whether your family came from Ashbury, or Kingstone Winslow, Greater Faringdon when Henry was born in 1820. In our tree, we have a Henry New b. 31.5.1789 at Ashbury. Our family line goes back to Joseph Nue b. 19.5.1731 Ashbury, who married Jane Wallington.
Would be great to know if we are connected, maybe you have DNA test, as I have, and been very interesting to find family members.
Back to Albert Leonard New, there have been several family members searching, and I am sure they would have looked at Leonard as being his name.
Jan
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Laura,
Are you aware of whether your family came from Ashbury, or Kingstone Winslow, Greater Faringdon when Henry was born in 1820. In our tree, we have a Henry New b. 31.5.1789 at Ashbury. Our family line goes back to Joseph Nue b. 19.5.1731 Ashbury, who married Jane Wallington.
They came from the Kingsclere, Hampshire area going back to around the 1750's. I haven't got any further back than that.
Would be great to know if we are connected, maybe you have DNA test, as I have, and been very interesting to find family members.
I haven't as yet, but hubby and I are talking about it and looking into the different ones available, so hopefully get it done soon.
Back to Albert Leonard New, there have been several family members searching, and I am sure they would have looked at Leonard as being his name.
Jan
Okedoke, being a newbie at this I probably wasn't the best person to throw ideas out there ;D ;D Hope you have success finding him :)
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Thank you Laura for your suggestions.
Jan