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Title: Naval and Military LAMBERT
Post by: ThamesDitton on Sunday 26 June 11 11:01 BST (UK)
I'm researching for local history purposes the astonishing generation of Lamberts in the late 1700s-late 1800s and would welcome help from genealogical experts to resolve the following questions:

Concerning Captain Robert Lambert RN born abt 1730-34 second son of Sir John Lambert, second bart, by Anna (snu) - (full name believed to be Robert Alexander Lambert)
He was captain of a succession of HM ships culminating in Leviathan, which foundered in the N Atlantic February 1780, after which the wires go dead, but the obituary of his widow in the Morning Post describes him as a Commissioner in the Navy and evidently he was siring sons as late as 1796 (George Lambert later Admiral)
Q1: Capt. Robert Lambert's  career after 1780, and date and place of death?

Concerning Robert Lambert born April 1771 to Capt Robert (Alexander} Lambert by Catherine nee Byndloss died Admiral Robert Lambert 1836 at Weston Green, Thames Ditton (full name believed Robert Stuart Lambert) :
Q2: date and place of birth?

He married Charlotte in about 1798 (calculated):
Q3: date and place of marriage?  Maiden name and parent of Charlotte?

1818 Charlotte Lambert wife of Robert Lambert died in Beauport in Sussex Aug 22 aged 41 years buried in Battle Church
Q4: any record of any offspring at all from that marriage??

Concerning Catherine Lambert nee Byndloss:
She died 27 October 1832 in her 81st year at the house of her son General Sir John Lambert KCB (he was made GCB in 1838) at Stanmore.  Can you identify where exactly this house was in  Stanmore (presumably the area of NW London)

The Lambert thread is very knotty in that (a) there were at least two different lines of ennoblement both starting with entirely different Sir John Lamberts.  This particular family stems from the baronetcy of 1711. (b)The five military and naval sons of a naval father (Capt. Robert Lambert) led peripatetic careers and stayed at each others houses quite frequently on home leave/postings; also Gen Sir John at  one point is listed as residing at Portman Square which I believe was more likely the property of Sir Henry Lambert (cousins that continued the succession to Lambert Baronetcy of 1711) and (c) they were all named after each other and their father; a situation further complicated by the naval habits of others to name their sons after captains and colleagues - e.g the later and equally distinguished  Admiral Robert Lambert Baynes has no blood connection, I believe, with these Lamberts.  At least six of these Lamberts over two generations made Weston Green their home base.

Many thanks for any help you can offer.
Title: Re: Naval and Military LAMBERT
Post by: Valda on Sunday 26 June 11 14:44 BST (UK)
Hi


According to these trees it was Charlotte Pigou

http://www.merchantnetworks.com.au/genealogy/web/pigou/pafg04.htm
http://www.egyptologie.be/amsterdam_crommelin_vanhoorn.htm


11th December 1799 St Marylebone Middlesex
Robert Lambert Esquire bachelor of the parish
Charlotte Pigou spinster of the parish
married by licence
Both signed
Witnesses Frederick Pigou and Sophia ?


Baptism

24th April 1803 St Marylebone, Middlesex born 26th March
John Lambert parents Captain Robert Lambert R N and Charlotte



Regards

Valda
Title: Re: Naval and Military LAMBERT
Post by: ThamesDitton on Sunday 26 June 11 15:29 BST (UK)
Excellent - Valda, you are a real star!  Those didn't come up in my own searches over the past year.

Those are the ones.  Your date 1799 for the marriage of Robert and Charlotte fits with the long events  timeline I have been constructing; Robert Lambert was posted home in June 1798 from his captaincy of HMS Suffolk, which had been deployed to the East Indies to reduce the Dutch garrison at Ceylon.  The date of marriage (given as Sept 1818) in the second link above is clearly wrong as we know she died at Beauport in August 1818 - from a plaque erected by her husband in the East wall of the South aisle of St Nicholas Church Thames Ditton.

Wonderful that Robert, of a family of fighting men who were not your gilded scions of the Royal establishment, but rather were in the thick of the action always, should have married the daughter of gunpowder merchants and I trust that meant good supplies of the finest powder at cost price for his commands.  Yet another line in an interesting story of this family.

Thank you so much.
Title: Re: Naval and Military LAMBERT
Post by: ThamesDitton on Sunday 26 June 11 22:32 BST (UK)
I've spent the rest of the day trying to track down Capt Robert Alexander Lambert (abt 1734 - ??, wife Catherine nee Byndloss) after the Leviathan foundered in the North Atlantic under his command in February 1780.  I can't find any trace of him as 'Commissioner in the Royal Navy' (his widow's obit.  There were several types of Commissioner including resident commissioners at dockyards and shore stations).  Indeed I can't find any trace of him at all after 1780.   As we know that George Robert Lambert (later Admiral and GCB) was the youngest of the five fighting brothers he sired, and George Robert was born some time in 1796:

-  does anyone have access to George Robert's baptism and what does it say if anything about father Robert Lambert's occupation (other than Capt RN)?
-  any sign of a date/place of death for Capt. Robert Alexander Lambert RN ?

Thanks again.
Title: Re: Naval and Military LAMBERT
Post by: Valda on Monday 27 June 11 07:28 BST (UK)
Hi


Baptism

3rd October 1795 St Marylebone, Middlesex born 8th September
George Robt Lambert parents Robt Lambert esq. and Catherine

No other baptisms found.

There is a burial of a Robert Lambert at the same church on 20th November 1802. Nothing to indicate that this is the correct man.



Regards

Valda
Title: Re: Naval and Military LAMBERT
Post by: ThamesDitton on Monday 27 June 11 09:35 BST (UK)
Once again, this is excellent and you are wonderful!  It is confirmation that Robert Alexander was still alive after the Leviathan went down and did indeed live until at least 1795 (the date for *a* Robert Lambert's death of November 1802  is reasonable - I have his likely dob as 1730-34.  But on internet searches there is no other trace of him after 1780.

His wife Catherine deserves a medal (I intend to flag up this achievement when I get round to writing the history).  Her dob is about 1750 (she died Oct 1832 'in her 81st year') and I believe Robert Stuart Lambert was her first child in 1771 so the likely date of marriage would be 1770, and she produced at least five great fighting sons (and probably one other son, Robert Francis abt 1787, undistinguished except by a plaque along with the others in St Nicholas' Church). I don't know about daughters although I have one Maria that is likely.  She was around 45 when she had George Robert, the youngest son.
Title: Re: Naval and Military LAMBERT
Post by: Valda on Monday 27 June 11 10:33 BST (UK)
Hi


Catherine's burial record, 3rd November 1832 at Great Stanmore, gives her age as 80, so if accurate a birth year of circa 1752.


There is a PCC will for a Robert Lambert in Marylebone but if the same burial it would not have been probated straight away (there are other Robert Lambert PCC wills).

Will of Robert Lambert of Saint Marylebone , Middlesex
3rd January 1806
PROB 11/1437


Of the five sons you have Robert 1771, were two others, John 1772 and Thomas Rowley Lambert born 1776?
There seems to be Rowley Lambert scholarships associated with Thames Ditton.


Why would they name two sons Robert if the elder lived?


Regards

Valda
Title: Re: Naval and Military LAMBERT
Post by: ThamesDitton on Monday 27 June 11 11:03 BST (UK)
John 1772 (April) is the second son (later General Sir John lambert, GCB)

The third son was Henry (later capt Henry, killed in command of HMS Java in action against USS Constitution).  I have yet to research him fully (but there is a fair bit of history available) and don't yet have a firm dpob.

The fourth was Samuel (like John, of the Grenadier Guards - 1st Foot; but a slightly less distinguished career ending as Maj. Gen and Lieutenant Governor of Jamaica where he died of yellow fever)  I don't have so much on him and don't have a definite date/place of birth.

And the fifth of these fighting brothers was George Robert, a very aggressive officer by all accounts, later Admiral and GCB.

Robert Francis is as yet unsolved but I take your point.

George Robert sired Rowley Lambert (named after Adm Rowley?) b. 23 April 1828 Bredwardine, Herefordshire (believed).  George Robert  lived here (Weston Green, Thames Ditton) for some years when not abroad. Rowley also made Weston Green (then still part of thames Ditton) his home between postings.  His wife Helen was a Campbell and was interesting too: they had no issue, and she devoted her considerable energies to other things, ending up as the first woman local councillor here (1896 - Esher and The Dittons UDC, elected as one of Thames Ditton's councillors - there are interesting stories connected with that too).  I still have to ask about the Rowley Lambert scholarships (administered by our local vicar - I will email him) but these are likely to stem from Helen.

PS: I didn't have a Thomas Rowley Lambert but could be another one.  The 'five brothers' are taken from obits and press articles at various dates, all consistent (especially but not only reports from Jamaica on the death of Samuel, 3 Jan 1848)
Title: Re: Naval and Military LAMBERT
Post by: Valda on Monday 27 June 11 11:33 BST (UK)
Hi

The Oxford Dictionary of National Biography has an entry for Henry which starts

'Lambert, Henry (d. 1813), naval officer, younger son of Captain Robert Lambert (d. 1810), '

Wikipedia says of Henry

'During his career, Lambert served in numerous ships and several military actions with success, participating in the capture of Île Bonaparte in the Indian Ocean as second in command under Josias Rowley.'

Sir Josias Rowley 1765-1842 naval officer. His uncle Sir Joshua Rowley 1734-1790 was also a naval officer.

On the otherhand John Lambert's entry in ODof NB begins

'Lambert, Sir John (1772–1847), army officer, was born on 28 April 1772, the son of Captain Robert Alexander Lambert RN (c.1732–1801), '


Possible baptisms

ROBERT LAMBERT
Christening:  08 MAY 1771   Old Alresford, Hampshire
Father:  ROBERT LAMBERT   
Mother:  CATHARINE

JOHN LAMBERT
Christening:  23 MAY 1772   Old Alresford, Hampshire
Father:  ROBERT LAMBERT   
Mother:  CATHARINE

THOMAS ROWLEY LAMBERT
Christening:  20 AUG 1776   Old Alresford, Hampshire
Father:  ROBERT LAMBERT   
Mother:  CATHARINE     
 

Marriage

19th January 1768 Kilmeston Hampshire
Robert Lambert
Catherine Byndloss

Kilmeston and Old Alresford are just over 5 miles apart.
     


Regards

Valda
Title: Re: Naval and Military LAMBERT
Post by: ThamesDitton on Monday 27 June 11 11:41 BST (UK)
Brilliant, especially the records.  (I'd done the basic first web trawl on Henry. but not yet the early naval details and newspapers). Those are the ones and thanks for the definitive date of marriage Robert x Catherine - the latter must have been just 18 at marriage.  The Byndloss family were early settlers in Jamaica; Henry Morgan married a Byndloss; and our Lamberts have very strong Jamaican connections (General Sir John's wife Jane was a Morant - another family of early settlers; and they maintained connections in Jamaica well before Samuel got the top military job there). 

I really don't know how you do it, Valda, but it is marvellous to have someone to bounce these things off, who adds a second pair of eyes and fresh thinking.
Title: Re: Naval and Military LAMBERT
Post by: ThamesDitton on Monday 27 June 11 11:58 BST (UK)
The Oxford Dictionary of National Biography has an entry for Henry which starts

'Lambert, Henry (d. 1813), naval officer, younger son of Captain Robert Lambert (d. 1810), '

On the otherhand John Lambert's entry in ODof NB begins

'Lambert, Sir John (1772–1847), army officer, was born on 28 April 1772, the son of Captain Robert Alexander Lambert RN (c.1732–1801), '
My bolding.  So:
(a) we know this Robert - Robert Alexander Lambert x Catherine - lived at least until 1795 when he sired George Robert.
(b) we have a burial of a Robert Lambert at the same church they used for the baptism of George on 20th November 1802 (btw Nelson worshipped at St Marylebone when at home - according to the Church's website, history section)
(c) we have a Will ofa Robert Lambert proved 1806.
(d) We have conflicting DNB assertions about Robert Alexander's death, one entry giving 1801 and the other 1810.
And we have a period from 1780 to his death where, although his widow's obituary states that he was 'a Commissioner in the navy' I can find no professional or domestic trace at all of him.

Unfortunately there were loads of Lamberts everywhere.  However, the best bet seems to be that capt (and later Commissioner?) Robert Alexander Lambert died abt 1801/2, and after the Leviathan foundered, he may have had a quieter life on shore (apart from the kids!)
Title: Re: Naval and Military LAMBERT
Post by: Valda on Monday 27 June 11 12:50 BST (UK)
Hi


Catherine could have been as young as 16 at the time of her marriage. Robert would have been about 36. If the marriage was by licence there may some more information. Worth checking with Hampshire Record Office for the full entry from the register.
These places are close to Winchester.

You could obtain a copy of the PCC will. Its a risk though, as you say plenty of Robert Lamberts around and naval officers often don't write wills.


Regards

Valda
Title: Re: Naval and Military LAMBERT
Post by: ThamesDitton on Tuesday 28 June 11 19:48 BST (UK)
Still on the Lamberts, I have now trawled various sources to fill out details on Henry, George and Samuel.  I am particularly missing the following bits:

1.  date and place of birth of Henry Lambert later Capt Henry Lambert RN (4 Jan 1813 died & buried Bahia aka Salvador Brazil) son of Robert Alexander Lambert and Catherine nee Byndloss.  Birth could be any year from 1773 - 1784 but most likely 1777-1780.  No middle names known to me.  He married Caroline nee Hall in August 1811.  He had a year at home before sailing on HMS Java and I don't think they had any issue (Caroline married again 18 months after Henry was killed)

2.  Any record of Capt. Robert Alexander Lambert's shore career in the Navy between 1780 and his putative death in the early 1800s.

3.  Any details of Adm. George Robert Lambert's (3 Oct 1775 - 6 June 1860)  wife / marriage.  They produced at least Rev Harry Lambert, third son; Maj Frederick William Lambert (Indian Army) both of whom married direct cousins, daughters of General Sir John Lambert GCB; Rowley Lambert (see earlier posts in this thread) and Arthur Lambert Esq late Royal Artillery, died aged 33 Mar 24, on 23 March 1860 at 34 Albion-street

4.  I will try to track one or two census records (I have some for Rowley Lambert) but the connection to Ancestry.com from our local library is painfully slow and I am not very handy.  I would love census or any other property records any time in the 19th century for:
a.  Weston House, Weston Green, Thames Ditton (home successively to Robert Stuart Lambert (from abt 1899 to 1836, then his brother Gen. Sir John Lambert until his death in 1847, then from some point the latter's son Gen John Arthur Lambert who earlier lived nearby
b.  Valuation List 1880: a Capt Lambert occupied Blandford Cottage Weston Green TD owned by fnu Abrahams (no idea yet which young Lambert this was, but the present occupants of that cottage have some historical research on their house))
c.  Valuation List 1880: Rowley Lambert occupied Grubbes House in Weston Green or Thames Ditton owned by Hannibal Speer. (alas this house name is no longer around)
d.  as captain, George Robert had 'a cottage' in Weston Green from about 1830-1841
e.  as Admiral, George Robert occupied Norbiton Place, Kingston  between abt 1852-1865

As always, most grateful for any help on these.
Title: Re: Naval and Military LAMBERT
Post by: ThamesDitton on Thursday 30 June 11 14:16 BST (UK)
A little further:
a.  From the PO directory 1878 the Capt Lambert occupying Blandford cottage in 1880 can be identified as (most probably)  Robert Lambert  Capt 43rd Light Infantry, 2nd son of Sir John Lambert GCB,  b Oct 25 1818 died Sep 18 1891.

b.  Robert Francis Lambert mentioned earlier in this thread:  memorial with other Lambert memorials in St Nicholas Church TD but questioned by Valda whether would be another son named Robert of Capt Robert Alexander Lambert x Catherine nee Byndloss: I have found a Robert Francis Lambert who was a partner with William Shrubsole in a bank in nearby Kingston upon Thames that became part of National Westminster Bank eventually.  The Shrubsole family tree at http://www.shrubsolefamilytree.co.uk/william_shrubsole_1775_1848.htm has a Robert Francis Lambert as partner for 55 years, dying abt. 1865-9  The Thames Ditton Lambert of that name died in 1864 aged 78.  Possibly i/d?  Apart from the contiguity of the plaque with our other Lamberts' I have not yet found a link for this Robert Francis to my main line of Lamberts.  But there was the line of their cousins connected with the Baronetcy (at the time under study, Sir Henry lambert Bt)
Title: Re: Naval and Military LAMBERT
Post by: Valda on Sunday 03 July 11 11:02 BST (UK)
Hi

Deaths Jun 1869   
Lambert  George Robert  73  Westminster, St. J.  1a 273
seized with a fit of apoplexy and died in a few minutes
baptism 3rd October 1795 born 8th September

Deaths Dec 1861
Lambert  Katherine     Hastings  2b 15


Arthur Lambert
Christening:  14 MAR 1827   Lyonshall, Hereford
Father:  George Lambert 
Mother:  Katherine 

Rowley Lambert
Christening:  24 MAY 1828   Lyonshall, Hereford
Father:  George Lambert   
Mother:  Katherine 

FREDERICK WILLIAM LAMBERT 
Christening:  04 NOV 1829   Thames Ditton, Surrey
Father:  GEORGE ROBERT LAMBERT 
Mother:  KATHERINE
father Captain Royal Navy

KATHERINE GEORGIANA LAMBERT 
Birth:  16 FEB 1838   
Christening:  06 APR 1838   Saint Mary-St Marylebone Road, Saint Marylebone, London
Father:  GEORGE ROBERT LAMBERT   
Mother:  KATHERINE
8 Hinde Street, father Captain Royal Navy


1861 census RG9 560 folio 129
3 Robertson Terrace Hastings Sussex
George R Lambert 65 Head Married Vice admiral R N K C B Marylebone London
Katherine Lambert 59 Wife Married Sittingbourne Kent
Katherine G Lambert 23 Daughter Marylebone London
Margaret K Cobb 13 Niece Ightham Kent (in the household in 1851)
plus servants

1851 census HO107 1603 folio 126
Norbiton Kingston-upon-Thames Surrey
Catherine Lambert 40 Head Married Wife Commmodore Lambert Sittingbourne Kent
Harry Lambert 25 Son No profession Stoke Dameral Devon
Catherine Georg. Lambert 13 Daughter Marylebone Middlesex
servants and visitors

1841 census HO107 1071/9 folio 23
Weston Green Thames Ditton Surrey
George Lambert 45 Navy
Katherine Lambert 35
Arthur Lambert 14
Frederick Lambert 11
Georgeana Lambert 3
Harry Lambert 15
only Frederick born in county
plus 6 servants


This tree states Katherine Cobb married George Robert Lambert 27th May 1822 - doesn't state where

http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~cobb/kent_ged/d0000/g0000022.html#I320


Regards

Valda
Title: Re: Naval and Military LAMBERT
Post by: ThamesDitton on Sunday 03 July 11 14:21 BST (UK)
Fantastic, Valda - thanks so much - again! 
Deaths Jun 1869   
Lambert  George Robert  73  Westminster, St. J.  1a 273
seized with a fit of apoplexy and died in a few minutes
baptism 3rd October 1795 born 8th September
An appropriate cause of death for one known as 'the Combustible Commodore' - see below

Quote
Rowley Lambert
Christening:  24 MAY 1828   Lyonshall, Hereford
Father:  George Lambert   
Mother:  Katherine 
In the 1861 census Rowley - then listed as 'near Smyrna' (he was capt of the Scylla at that time) - was recorded as born 'Bredwardine, Hertfordshire' and in 1871`  as born at 'Birdwardine, Herefordshire' so perhaps he was born at Bredward in Herefordshire and christened at nearby Lyonshall?

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FREDERICK WILLIAM LAMBERT 
Christening:  04 NOV 1829   Thames Ditton, Surrey
Father:  GEORGE ROBERT LAMBERT 
Mother:  KATHERINE
father Captain Royal Navy
That fits - in 1829 I believe he was in between postings and probably living at a 'cottage' near Weston House (owned then by elder brother Adm Robert Lambert), quite possibly the one known as Blandford Cottage; or he might have been living at Weston House with his brother.
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KATHERINE GEORGIANA LAMBERT 
Birth:  16 FEB 1838   
Christening:  06 APR 1838   Saint Mary-St Marylebone Road, Saint Marylebone, London
Father:  GEORGE ROBERT LAMBERT   
Mother:  KATHERINE
8 Hinde Street, father Captain Royal Navy
Interesting new address - again, from late 1835 to probably mid-1845 George Robert was ashore.  He was mostly resident in Thames Ditton (Weston Green) then and even in 1824, when he was away captaining HMS Alligator in the East Indies and australasia, he was responsible for the rates for a cottage here (according to Vestry minutes).  The Hinde street/St Marylebone connection is worth looking at - St Marylebone having figured in Robert's timeline.
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1861 census RG9 560 folio 129
3 Robertson Terrace Hastings Sussex
George R Lambert 65 Head Married Vice admiral R N K C B Marylebone London
Katherine Lambert 59 Wife Married Sittingbourne Kent
Katherine G Lambert 23 Daughter Marylebone London
Margaret K Cobb 13 Niece Ightham Kent (in the household in 1851)
plus servants
Another interesting new address.
Quote
1851 census HO107 1603 folio 126
Norbiton Kingston-upon-Thames Surrey
Catherine Lambert 40 Head Married Wife Commmodore Lambert Sittingbourne Kent
Harry Lambert 25 Son No profession Stoke Dameral Devon
Catherine Georg. Lambert 13 Daughter Marylebone Middlesex
servants and visitors
Catherine was head because George was away starting the second Burmese War - his aggressive provocation of the Burmese, subject of a subsequent Victorian cover-up, earned him the epithet of the "Combustible Commodore".  Harry took holy orders.
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1841 census HO107 1071/9 folio 23
Weston Green Thames Ditton Surrey
George Lambert 45 Navy
Katherine Lambert 35
Arthur Lambert 14
Frederick Lambert 11
Georgeana Lambert 3
Harry Lambert 15
only Frederick born in county
plus 6 servants
This is very useful - this might have been at Weston House (in view of the household size) but I have yet to do the timeline for the House (General Sir John acquired it at some time after his elder brother Robert died in 1836).  What is clear is that the Lamberts were all very close, and that Weston House and at least two, probably three other houses and nine retainers' cottages served them as a base in between postings.  Also, that the Lambert womenfolk quite often returned to their family elsewhere to give birth, particularly if their husbands were on active duty.

Thanks again, Valda - invaluable.


Title: Re: Naval and Military LAMBERT
Post by: ThamesDitton on Thursday 07 July 11 17:35 BST (UK)
From parish records I have (my assumptions in [[square brackets ]]):

25 Oct 1798 Weston Green, rates, Capt [[ Robert ]] Lambert purchase [[ of Weston House from Lady Twysden, George Jarvis' daughter, who now disappears from the rate book]] £3925,  assessed at £157 Ho. Gds.

January 1801 Capt [[Robert]] Lambert appears for first time in parish vestry records.  Then periodically until 1835, apart from when at sea.

19 May 1819 Adm [[Robert]]Lambert assessed for 9 cottages [[ seven remaining are known as "Admiral's Row" built probably for his seafaring retainers/servants, perhaps he owned or rented two others ]]

24 Sept 1823: Capt [[ George - by then Robert was an Admiral ]] Lambert assessed for a property late of Robert Taylor [[ owner of Imber/Ember Court, just deceased ]] for £35

1824 Capt Geo Lambert in Weston Green £35
and Adm Lambert £157 [[ presumed Weston House ]] + £40 for cottages [[presumed the 9 cottages built around 1819]]

20 May 1824  Vestry: Adm Lambert proposed that an Organist should be offered fifteen guineas a year to play the organ twice on Sundays, on Christmas day and Good Friday and all occasions that may be required.  Agreed.  (plus sixpence a day for a boy for blowing the bellows)

1829  Sept Adm Lambert £157 for house and grounds and and Capt Geo Lambert £40  for 'cottage' [[likely Blandford Cottage which these days is regarded as a rather nice large house!]]

1836  Capt Geo Lambert on Jury List as 'rent' (as opposed to freehold)

1838 Mrs Lambert is at Weston Green no prems -   £93.10s  [[  Adm Robert died in 1836 at Weston House; his wife Charlotte had died earlier.  George was not yet knighted so the only Lady Lambert around here at that time was the wife of General Sir John who did take over Weston House at some point after his elder brother Robert's death ]]

Then 1839 July  Capt Geo Lambert no prems £93.10s [[ but Sir John still extant ]]

Pigot's November 1839 Geo Lambert is at "Western House" [[ = Weston House]]

1841 rates: Sir John Lambert  Ho. Prem  £83
                  Capt Geo Lambert do.
[[ presumably now both at Weston House - or given your 1841 census above, perhaps Gen Sir John owned it by now, while George and family were in occupation on census day and responsible for the rates? ]]

Meanwhile I see that there is a LAMBERT    Robert    died 1805-6    probate same year   Royal Navy    (only one on Find My Past listed as RN at that time) so that might be my candidate for the death of Robert Alexander Lambert whose naval career after the Leviathan went down in 1780 remains a mystery apart from his widow's newspaper obituary where he was said to be 'a Commissioner in the Royal Navy'


Title: Re: Naval and Military LAMBERT
Post by: ThamesDitton on Wednesday 03 August 11 10:24 BST (UK)
Hi
According to these trees it was Charlotte Pigou
http://www.merchantnetworks.com.au/genealogy/web/pigou/pafg04.htm
http://www.egyptologie.be/amsterdam_crommelin_vanhoorn.htm

11th December 1799 St Marylebone Middlesex
Robert Lambert Esquire bachelor of the parish
Charlotte Pigou spinster of the parish
married by licence
Both signed
Witnesses Frederick Pigou and Sophia ?


Baptism

24th April 1803 St Marylebone, Middlesex born 26th March
John Lambert parents Captain Robert Lambert R N and Charlotte

Regards
Valda
Just to add, in case it is of use to others, that I have now come across Frederic Pigou in Biden's History and Antiquities of Kingston upon Thames (1852), in a list of memorials in All Saints Church Kingston.

In the Great Chancel, pavement, "Frederic Pigou, esq., died November 30, 1792"
(This is presumably Frederic father of Charlotte according to the first web site genealogy you mention above, a director of the East India Company)
Title: Re: Naval and Military LAMBERT
Post by: LeanneS on Saturday 24 March 12 03:33 GMT (UK)
Hi

Love both yours and Valda's work. George Robert Lambert (The Combustible Commodore) was my husband's 3rd Great Grandfather.  We have photos of him and his wife Catherine should you be interested.  Do you know about the Australian connection? Admiral George Robert was granted land in South Australia which he gave to his son Captain George Robert Lambert (Royal Navy).  He died in South Australia in 1875.

Leanne
Title: Re: Naval and Military LAMBERT
Post by: ThamesDitton on Saturday 24 March 12 09:10 GMT (UK)
That's terrific.  I would love photos of George Robert Lambert and family - I will pm you with my email address.

I did not know about that particular Australian connection and would be fascinated by that too.  I do know about Adm. George Robert 'Combustible' Lambert's son Rowley Lambert, who also became an Admiral, with connections to Australia when as Commodore he commanded the Australia Squadron, and where Commodore's Point is named after him (see The Commodore and The Pastoralist, Tony Dawson, pub. 2011 by Manly, Warringah & Pittwater Historical Society Inc

Most grateful for particulars of George's son George and his land grant etc.  You may be interested in drawings of Weston House, the main seat of the family around Thames Ditton (Weston Green) which George Robert Lambert (later Adm) occupied for a few years in the early 1840s (ownership having passed from his eldest brother Adm Robert Stuart Lambert to the next brother, Gen. Sir John Lambert, who himself was living in the rented Newlands at the time opposite to Weston House - tithe maps).

I have just started to serialize the Lamberts in our local quarterly magazine.  Although space constraints mean I have to leave a lot out, the first episode is in the issue that can be downloaded here: http://residents-association.com/tdt_pdfs/spring2012.pdf

The Combustible Commodore is scheduled for the Autumn issue.... so your post is very timely!

I have also started to look through the diaries of Catherine Lambert nee Byndloss, who married Capt Robert Alexander Lambert as you see from the a/m article which introduces the Lamberts.  They are in the Surrey History Centre, but are small and handwritten with most entries being about dinner!  I have managed only four of the thirteen or so, so far.  That took a whole day!

pm on its way immediately
Title: Re: Naval and Military LAMBERT
Post by: ThamesDitton on Thursday 05 April 12 08:44 BST (UK)
You may recall that I found it difficult to pinpoint Capt Robert Alexander Lambert's career after 1780.  I think I have now resolved that, and the story might be of some use to others.

The only clue I had was from his wife's obituary, which referred to him as "a Commissioner in the Navy."  But I could find no confirmation in the several source and academic documents that list Commissioners.  He was not senior enough to be a Lord Commissioner of the Admiralty.  There were also senior men of commissioner rank who supervised dockyards on home postings, and who were engaged in other naval bodies such as the Victualling Board.  He is not cited among any of them.

Latterly I have been in touch with the College of Arms concerning the Lambert heraldry (dating from his grandfather Sir John Lambert, Bt 1711, of the South Sea Company), and their records too have him as "A Commissioner in the Navy."

His wife's (incomplete) diaries, which I am toiling through in the Surrey History Centre, show that on 11 September 1782 he sailed from Spithead in the Proserpine.  Other sources do not list him as in command of that vessel and he must have been on passage.  The 1783 diary is missing, but that from 1784 records her receiving several letters from "Dear Capt. L" who is in Jamaica (Jamaica and its plantations being a recurrent theme with Lambert and his wife Catherine who was from the Byndloss plantocracy).  He returns to London from Jamaica on 19 April 1784.

I have lately discovered the various volumes of Biographia Navalis (Charnock, 1798) which are downloadable free online.  In Vol VI there is an entry for Robert Lambert.  It seems to contain a number of errors/omissions  concerning his ships (this conclusion is based on other records including the Admiralty service record of his eldest son who was with him on two of them from the age of eight ).  The online 'seadogs' (http://www.seadogs.org.uk/) project also notes of the Biographia that it is  "known to be prone to factual error and contradictions"

However the last part of the entry for Robert [Alexander] Lambert reads: "In 1782 he was appointed a commissioner of the navy resident at Jamaica, it being thought necessary, in consequence of the very extensive naval armament then employed in that quarter, to establish a civil department to superintend the partial repairs, and refitment of ships, in order to lessen, in some degree, the care and labour of the commander-in-chief. Peace taking place very soon after this time, the newly erected office just-mentioned, was suppressed, and Capt. Lambert retired on a pension of £250. per annum, as a superannuated commissioner of the Navy."  This seems to resolve the mystery; fits with the diary; and as the post was in Jamaica accounts perhaps for his omission from academic material concerning commissioners in the UK. 

There were other ports e.g. Mahon where I believe there were navy commissioners i/c the dockyard.  So if you happen to be mystified about one of them not being listed here,......

I know from the diaries that on return to London, Capt. L visited the Admiralty Board several times in 1784 and I will be toiling through later diaries with interest.
Title: Re: Naval and Military LAMBERT
Post by: ThamesDitton on Sunday 08 April 12 22:27 BST (UK)

There is a PCC will for a Robert Lambert in Marylebone but if the same burial it would not have been probated straight away (there are other Robert Lambert PCC wills).

Will of Robert Lambert of Saint Marylebone , Middlesex
3rd January 1806
PROB 11/1437

This is the one - I now have it.  Capt. Robert Alexander Lambert

(Still don't have a definite date of death though.)
Title: Re: Naval and Military LAMBERT
Post by: GrahamSimons on Monday 09 April 12 10:44 BST (UK)
There are other naval biographical collections that may be worth a look - see here for example. The Navy List may just be a bit too late for you, although it included officers on half pay.

http://www.mariners-l.co.uk/UKRNPersonnel.html
Title: Re: Naval and Military LAMBERT
Post by: ThamesDitton on Monday 09 April 12 12:06 BST (UK)
http://www.mariners-l.co.uk/UKRNPersonnel.html
Bookmarked, thanks.

Meanwhile, deciphering the will, Robert [Alexander] Lambert set his hand and seal to it on 16 March 1805:
I the said Robert Lambert the Testator have to this my last Will and Testament contained in two sheets of paper to the first sheet thereof set my hand and to this second and last sheet my hand and seal this sixteenth day of March in the year of our Lord one thousand eight hundred and five

A short codicil was added to it on the deposition of two others on 2 January 1806 before it was proved a day later. 

That narrows down the date of his death to between those dates and not, as the DNB entry on his son Henry gives it, 1801 nor, as the DNB entry on his son John Lambert gives it, 1810.  The Peerage gives it as 21 December 1801.

His main address ( leasehold) and also the one mentioned in the will is Hinde Street Middlesex (parish of St Marylebone); he also had another house in nearby Cavendish Sq, and a house at Brighton.

All somewhat confusing!
Title: Re: Naval and Military LAMBERT
Post by: ThamesDitton on Thursday 12 April 12 21:43 BST (UK)
The Gentleman's Magazine Vol 75, Part 2 1805 Obituaries p 1241

Dec
21.  In Hinde-street, Manchester Square, in his 74th year, Robert Lambert, esq. a commissioner of the Royal Navy

Which fits.
Title: Re: Naval and Military LAMBERT
Post by: ThamesDitton on Wednesday 20 June 12 09:18 BST (UK)
Now trying to nail down Lydia Lambert the youngest daughter of Capt. Robert Alexander Lambert RN x Catherine nee Byndloss.

From an entry in Catherine's diary  celebrating Lydia's birthday Lydia's date of birth was 7 March 1791 

From the will of Lydia's eldest brother Admiral Robert Stuart Lambert  she married Frederic Mortan.  The handwriting looks like 'Mostan' but I found no trace of Mostan and other documents suggested Mortan.

From records I have:
Lydia Eliza Lambert married Frederick  Mortan  License date: 26 Oct 1827
Dual date: 26 Oct 1827 Faculty Office Marriage Licence Allegations 1701-1850

London Civil records death of Lydia Eliza Mortan  regd. Marylebone
last quarter of 1869

and death of Frederic Mortan aged 90 regd. in the first quarter of 1887 Marylebone

Mortan appears to have been a merchant dealing with the West Indies trade

I don't otherwise have birth details of Lydia (likely to be St Marylebone too) or Morton  nor have I found any children of theirs.  Any hits would be most welcome, thanks.

Title: Re: Naval and Military LAMBERT
Post by: Valda on Wednesday 20 June 12 18:59 BST (UK)
Hi

1841 Census HO107 1071 Bk9 folio 33
Weston Grove Thames Ditton
Entry just below Sir John Lambert and family
Frederick Mortan 45 Ind
Lydia Mortan 45 Ind
Caroline Mortan 11
None born in county
Plus 9 servants

1851 Census Ho107 1487 folio 235
18 Beaumont Street Marylebone
Frederic Mortan 53 Head Married Agent West Indies Stow Gloucestershire
L. E. Mortan 56 Wife Married St George Hanover Square Middlesex
Plus 1 visitor and 4 servants

1861 Census RG9 71 folio 84
18 Beaumont Street St Mary Marylebone
Frederic Mortan 63 Head Married  W I Agent Stowe Gloucestershire
Lydia Mortan 69 Wife Married St Gorge Hanover Square
Plus 4 servants

12th December 1829 St Mary  born 11th December
Caroline Lambert Mortan parents Fredeic and Lydia Eliza, 18 Beaumont Street, father's occupation Esq

Caroline's death was registered in Marylebone in 1846. Buried 26th December Kensal Green Cemetery aged 17 of 18 Beaumont Street St Mary Marylebone.

Lydia died 23rd December 1869 of Beaumont Street will proved 17th January 1870. Frederic died 3rd February 1887 of Beaumont Street. The executor to his will proved 16th April was Robert Lambert of Weston Green Thames Ditton, gentleman.


Regards

Valda

Title: Re: Naval and Military LAMBERT
Post by: ThamesDitton on Wednesday 20 June 12 19:24 BST (UK)
Well done, Valda - that's terrific.

Weston Grove aka The Newlands was rented by General Sir John Lambert in 1841 and he was still listed as occupant in the tithe apportionment 1843 but I hadn't hit on the possibility that Lydia his youngest sister and her husband were living with him and his wife there.

Caroline was unknown to me .  Robert Lambert the Executor will have been Capt Robert Lambert (1818 - 1891, 43rd Light Infantry) second son of General Sir John and named after the General's father Capt. Robert and also his elder brother, Admiral Robert.

More pieces in the jigsaw - thanks very much (Leanne - above contributor - will also be pleased.  Met her & husband here yesterday thanks to this forum)



Title: Re: Naval and Military LAMBERT
Post by: Valda on Wednesday 20 June 12 20:06 BST (UK)
Hi

They may not have been living with the Lamberts. All the evidence points to Beaumont Street as their residence. The 1841 census doesn't give you that level of detail. All you actually know was that they were staying there on the night of the census.


Regards

Valda
Title: Re: Naval and Military LAMBERT
Post by: ThamesDitton on Wednesday 20 June 12 20:36 BST (UK)
That's true - I was being over-hasty and not thinking. 

Several  of the Lamberts had both a London house and a nearby country house, including General Sir John, and at least at the period of Catherine's diaries they were very frequently paying each other visits for dinner and staying over.
Title: Re: Naval and Military LAMBERT
Post by: Arizona on Monday 02 September 13 21:25 BST (UK)
Hi


According to these trees it was Charlotte Pigou

http://www.merchantnetworks.com.au/genealogy/web/pigou/pafg04.htm
http://www.egyptologie.be/amsterdam_crommelin_vanhoorn.htm


11th December 1799 St Marylebone Middlesex
Robert Lambert Esquire bachelor of the parish
Charlotte Pigou spinster of the parish
married by licence
Both signed
Witnesses Frederick Pigou and Sophia ?


Baptism

24th April 1803 St Marylebone, Middlesex born 26th March
John Lambert parents Captain Robert Lambert R N and Charlotte



Regards

Valda

I was very interested to read of the John Lambert b 1803 to Robert and Charlotte Lambert as he is one of several John Lambert's that are potentially my great great grandfather. I have traced "my" John Lambert and his family back to the 1841 census, but have not been able yet to positively confirm his marriage details or his parents. Is anything known of this John Lambert after his birth that might help me confirm or otherwise, any potential link to my John Lambert who was born circa 1801 in St Marylebone.
Many thanks for any help that can be given.

PS this is my first post - I hope I get it right.
 
Title: Re: Naval and Military LAMBERT
Post by: ThamesDitton on Tuesday 03 September 13 11:14 BST (UK)
There are many Lambert families and these may not be the Lamberts you are looking for.  Robert and Charlotte's infant son John did not survive more than a couple of months.  As a starting assumption, it would be likely that John was their second son and that an assumed earlier baby Robert (after his father and grandfather) also died, since there is no trace of him.  Charlotte died in 1818, Robert Stuart Lambert remarried in 1822 to a woman of 46 (Louisa Ann née Wyatt, widow Cobb)  and in his will no children of his own are mentioned.  He died in September 1836.

-----------
From Catherine Lambert's diaries (Catherine was the mother of Robert Stuart Lambert, who married Charlotte Pigou.  Some years are missing):
1803:  Sun 24 Apr went to London for the Christening of Dear Roberts Child for whom I stood Godmother with Mr Pigou and my Son John.

Wed 4 May .... heard from Robert a letter (?better?) account of his poor little Boy

Sun 26 Jun .....Heard from dear Robt his poor Child expir'd at 11 this Morning.

The Naval Chronicle Vol 10 by James Stanier Clarke
1803 pub J. Gold, 103 Shoe Lane London page 87
Obituary
On the 26th June, the infant son of Robert Lambert, Esq. of the Royal Navy, at his house in Somerset-street.

Robert and Charlotte had a London house at 40 Somerset Street.

Of Robert's brothers:

- Gen. Sir John Lambert x Jane Morant (m. 1816) produced a family; of their male children, the eldest John Arthur remained unmarried; the line of the second, another Robert, died out in about 1983,  another, George,  died aged 6.

- Capt. Henry Lambert was killed in naval action having just produced an infant who didn't live;

- Maj-Gen Samuel Lambert never married;

-Adm George Lambert x Katherine Cobb (m. 1822) produced a family of which the surviving members are now in Australia. 
Title: Re: Naval and Military LAMBERT
Post by: Arizona on Tuesday 03 September 13 11:45 BST (UK)
Many thanks for your very quick response. Although negative  :'(, it helps me a lot as by eliminating the "possibles" it enables me to focus on the others as more probable.  Good luck with your book on the Naval and Military Lamberts, I look forward to reading it when it is published  :).
Title: Re: Naval and Military LAMBERT
Post by: Glenalta on Sunday 27 October 13 13:18 GMT (UK)
I have just joined rootschat in order to join this conversation, which I stumbled across yesterday.

I am a Lambert living in Adelaide, South Australia. About 30 years ago my mother's car broke down near Auburn, a town approximately 100 kilometres north of Adelaide. As repairs would take a week, I went to collect my mother from relatives (on my father's side) living in Auburn. Uncle Alec, as we called him, was the brother of my grandfather, John Lambert, and I recall at least one other brother, Rowley Lambert. I expect all are now deceased. While there, Alec asked me if I knew how the Lambert family came to be living in the Auburn region, and then proceeded to tell me that an ADM Sir George Lambert was an ancestor who had been bequeathed land around Auburn, which was subsequently settled by his son, whom he described as a retired Lieutenant in the Royal Navy. It seems some of the ADM's memorabilia (swords and the like) had been handed down too, but Alec intimated that another forebear's fondness for alcohol had resulted in this being sold off. Pity!

Soon after returning to Adelaide I checked the ADM's credentials in the State Library, but it wasn't until a couple of years ago that I discovered something of his exploits, and those of his son VADM Rowley Lambert, through internet searches.

Understandably I found the earlier details of this conversation quite fascinating. I was unaware of the broader extent of the military Lamberts until yesterday. As a senior principal research scientist within the Australian Defence Department, it is astounding to discover so much military history in my ancestry, including the Australian aspects (Commodore of the Aust SQN, Lewis v Lambert case law). I was also unacquainted with the history associated with Weston House in Western Green, Thames Ditton. I deduced and looked up the now vacant area in Google Maps yesterday. I was last in London in 2010. I drove from Heathrow to Portsmouth where I worked for a week. Had I been aware of the Thames Ditton connection, I would certainly have stopped off!

I am naturally interested in anything else you may know, but equally am happy to provide any Australian information if it will assist. I have not kept in touch with the Auburn relatives and so am not sure of the current extent, but could make some effort to find out if it is of any value to you.
Title: Re: Naval and Military LAMBERT
Post by: ThamesDitton on Sunday 27 October 13 15:00 GMT (UK)
Glenalta: delighted to read your post.  I will draw it to the attention of other Lambert descendants of Adm. George Robert Lambert in Australia, with whom I have been in touch these past eighteen months or so, and who have much of the Australian detail plus much of my research materials relevant to the UK end.  Two of them visited here in summer 2012 and took a look at Weston Green.  I hope that they will get in touch with you.

You might also like to read the recent local articles here:

http://residents-association.com/tdt_pdfs/spring2013.pdf  (George)

http://residents-association.com/tdt_pdfs/summer2013.pdf  (Rowley)
Title: Re: Naval and Military LAMBERT
Post by: Glenalta on Monday 28 October 13 12:23 GMT (UK)
Great read. Thank you!
Title: Re: Naval and Military LAMBERT
Post by: ThamesDitton on Tuesday 29 October 13 13:36 GMT (UK)
Glenalta:  Right - they'd like to be in touch.  Please pm me your contact email and details.
Title: Re: Naval and Military LAMBERT
Post by: Krixa on Saturday 28 December 13 22:54 GMT (UK)
Some years ago I acquired two paintings, the provenance of which states they are of Robert Alexander Lambert, Captain RN and his wife, painted by a young John Jackson, RA.

I came across this thread while doing some research, which has confirmed much of what we were told upon purchase: That the gentleman was a moderately famous Royal Navy captain who had very famous sons, and that the wife was from a plantation family (she is painted in typical Indies attire).

I especially appreciate the history of the Lambert family in the Thames Ditton magazine and the work everyone here has done tracking down the family.

I am still working to confirm the artist, as he'd have been rather young to have painted them, but am happy to share pictures of the two works. Enjoy!
Title: Re: Naval and Military LAMBERT
Post by: ThamesDitton on Sunday 29 December 13 14:30 GMT (UK)
Some years ago I acquired two paintings, the provenance of which states they are of Robert Alexander Lambert, Captain RN and his wife, painted by a young John Jackson, RA.

I came across this thread while doing some research, which has confirmed much of what we were told upon purchase: That the gentleman was a moderately famous Royal Navy captain who had very famous sons, and that the wife was from a plantation family (she is painted in typical Indies attire).

I especially appreciate the history of the Lambert family in the Thames Ditton magazine and the work everyone here has done tracking down the family.

I am still working to confirm the artist, as he'd have been rather young to have painted them, but am happy to share pictures of the two works. Enjoy!

This is wonderful news.  I (and I am sure the Lamberts' descendants with whom I am in contact) would love a good quality photo of each of these.  I had been trying to locate them without success.

The paintings (but not the artist) are mentioned in their eldest son Robert Stuart Lambert's will and if I recall correctly, he would have left them to the next brother, (General Sir) John Lambert.  Other papers descended that way to the person I believe to be the last of that (John's) line, Miss Alice Winsome Lambert (1899 - 17 Nov 1983).  She died in Shropshire, and the family papers went from the executor to the county who passed them to the Surrey History Centre in Woking where I have been studying them.  It seems quite likely that the paintings were sold off in Shropshire at that time (plausible guesswork) so I would be interested to know where you came by them.

The latest issue of TD Today (http://residents-association.com/tdt_pdfs/winter2013.pdf) deals summarily with their slave plantation in Jamaica.

pm with my email address follows imminently
Title: Re: Naval and Military LAMBERT
Post by: ThamesDitton on Sunday 29 December 13 15:13 GMT (UK)
PS it might help in your researches on the artist to know that Capt. Robert Alexander Lambert died 21 December 1805 - the Gentleman's magazine has it right, other sources including the peerage and the Oxford DNB entries on his sons have it wrong.

I see from the national Portrait Gallery: " In 1804, Jackson moved to London. He began studying at the Royal Academy schools and by 1807 had established himself as a portrait painter"

The possible date of the paintings therefore, if we have the subjects and the artist right, would be 1804-1805.   Capt. L (as his wife calls him in her diaries) would have been 72-73 and Catherine 52-53, which seems to fit with the aspect of the subjects in your paintings.

For what it may be worth, I have swiftly searched Catherine's diaries for any mention of Jackson's early patrons Phipps, Beaumont and Frederick Howard, 5th Earl of Carlisle, on the off-chance there might have been an even earlier acquaintance with the young Jackson, but no trace of any of them (though a couple of years later Catherine was a friend in Brighton of Lady Julia Howard, wife of Earl of Suffolk)

There is no mention of Jackson in the diaries.  There is a diary for 1804, but there is no diary for 1805 (I suspect because of the trauma of Capt L's sudden death Catherine or a descendant may have destroyed it; there is no diary for the year in which her son Capt Henry Lambert RN was killed, either).  So - I'm speculating that the portrait of Capt L. was done in 1805, the year he died.
Title: Re: Naval and Military LAMBERT
Post by: ThamesDitton on Sunday 29 December 13 18:11 GMT (UK)
Will of Robert Stuart Lambert, Vice-Admiral in the Navy: 
......"I give to my dear Brother John after my death the silver family Christening Cup and also my dear father and Mother's pictures and also my uncle Cussans picture  To my dear Brother Samuel my Gold Watch that I always wear  To my dear Brother George the sword presented to our dear Brother Henry by the patriotic fund".......

I have not retrieved the following wills but the likely course of inheritance is as follows, as the family papers ended up with Alice Winsome Lambert:  General Sir John Lambert will have left the family heirlooms via his wife Jane to his eldest son John Arthur Lambert (Maj - Genl) who died without issue.  John Arthur's younger brother Robert (capt in the army) was the surviving member of that family, and Alice Winsome Lambert, army Capt. Robert's grand-daughter, was the sole survivor of army Capt. Robert's son Robert, also in the army.

((Comment: the sword that Capt. Henry Lambert RN carried on his fateful action is now with the USS Constitution Museum in Boston.  It was believed by the Museum to be probably a sword presented to Henry after the Mauritius Campaign.  The patriotic fund sword may have been from his earlier action against the Psyche.  cf. Glenalta's story of heirlooms in Australia, above!))
Title: Re: Naval and Military LAMBERT
Post by: Krixa on Sunday 29 December 13 21:16 GMT (UK)
This is wonderful context for the paintings. I've sent a link to hi-res photos... hope they are helpful and glad that we can add Robert and Catherine's images back into the story of the Lamberts.

I purchased the paintings in 2006 in Baltimore, Maryland from a neighbor/art collector. He was selling some of his collection and we loved the matched set of paintings and the story of the Lamberts (as was relayed to us at the time). According to our neighbor, he bought them in England from a broker who got them at an estate sale.

Title: Re: Naval and Military LAMBERT
Post by: ThamesDitton on Sunday 29 December 13 22:10 GMT (UK)
This is wonderful context for the paintings. I've sent a link to hi-res photos... hope they are helpful and glad that we can add Robert and Catherine's images back into the story of the Lamberts.

I purchased the paintings in 2006 in Baltimore, Maryland from a neighbor/art collector. He was selling some of his collection and we loved the matched set of paintings and the story of the Lamberts (as was relayed to us at the time). According to our neighbor, he bought them in England from a broker who got them at an estate sale.

Excellent.  I haven't received the links yet.  In case of error, I will re-send by pm my email address.
Title: Re: Naval and Military LAMBERT
Post by: Bowyer1814 on Monday 30 December 13 00:02 GMT (UK)
Hi, I'm new to this so apologies in advance for any errors in protocol, etc. I'm a direct descendant of Capt Robert Alexander Lambert and therefore very interested in the link to the picture of him and his wife. Would it be possible to send it to me?
Title: Re: Naval and Military LAMBERT
Post by: ThamesDitton on Monday 30 December 13 06:39 GMT (UK)
I'm a direct descendant of Capt Robert Alexander Lambert" . . . .

Fascinated to learn more about your own genealogy either here or via pm.

From your choice of username I'm guessing Gen Sir John, who took fort Bowyer in the second battle the following year and who is buried a mile or two away from here. Alice Winsome Lambert believed herself the last of that line, but some branches I have not tracked down. 
Title: Re: Naval and Military LAMBERT
Post by: Bowyer1814 on Monday 30 December 13 12:03 GMT (UK)
My line is from George Robert Lambert (I only used the Bowyer name in a moment of panic - and got the year wrong!). His son, also George Robert, emigrated to Australia in the 1840/50s and married Mary Ann Hoskyn. Hope that helps
Title: Re: Naval and Military LAMBERT
Post by: ThamesDitton on Monday 30 December 13 14:47 GMT (UK)
Are you in touch with the other descendants of Admiral George L in Australia?  - I'll leave it to them to pm you if not.
Title: Re: Naval and Military LAMBERT
Post by: Cabarrus on Wednesday 15 October 14 08:57 BST (UK)
Hello,

I am trying to find any pictures of Captain Robert Lambert (1818-1891), of Brandford Cottage, Thames Ditton, and his wife Alice Elizabeth and descendants for my research.

Is there anybody who could kindly help me? I would highly appreciate it!

Many thanks,

Cabarrús
Title: Re: Naval and Military LAMBERT
Post by: ThamesDitton on Wednesday 15 October 14 10:53 BST (UK)
According to the rates Valuation List 1880, a Capt Lambert occupied Blandford (not Brandford) Cottage Weston Green owned by Michael Abrahams.  He is probably i/d with Robert Lambert Capt 43rd Light Infantry, 2nd son of Sir John Lambert GCB (1772-1847) 

CAPT Robert LAMBERT (b.25 Oct 1818) married Alice Elizabeth SMITH 30 Jan 1868, and died 4 Aug 1917)
Children:
MAJ Robert LAMBERT (b.17 Sep 1873 d.19 Dec 1955)
married Henrietta Isabella LOWTHER (m.21 May 1898 d.31 Jan 1950)
Alice Mary LAMBERT (d.10 Jun 1939) married Henry Rodolph DE SALIS JP (m.9 May 1893 d.25 Feb 1936 suicide Leamington)
Bessie LAMBERT (b.9 Jun 1875)


Major Robert Lambert born on 17 September 1873 married Henrietta Isabella Lowther, daughter of George William Lowther and Mary Frances Alice Bingham, on 21 May 1898.  He died on 19 December 1955 at age 82.   He was Justice of the Peace (Shropshire), Captain 8th Hus, ret as Honour Maj, served Boer War.   Companion, Distinguished Service Order (D.S.O.) 1900.

Child of Major Robert Lambert and Henrietta Isabella Lowther
    Alice Winsome Lambert was by her own statement 'the last of the Lambert family' whose papers, deposited in August 1984 by Mrs D Robertson of Llangollen, Clwyd (executor of Miss Lambert), via Shropshire Record Office, are now in the Surrey History Centre, Woking.  I went through them a couple of years ago. There are no photographs of that Capt Robert in the collection. 

Alice Winsome Lambert might have been 'the last' of that line of Lamberts (I have not traced her aunts), stemming from General Sir John Lambert, but the branch of the family stemming from Admiral George Robert lambert, Gen. Sir John's youngest brother, survives as the earlier posts in this thread testify.

Blandford cottage still stands under that name.

I would be most interested to know your part of the Lambert family history.
Title: Re: Naval and Military LAMBERT
Post by: Cabarrus on Thursday 16 October 14 18:40 BST (UK)
Hi Thames Ditton,

Thanks for your kind message. I already had the information you've supplied, but appreciate it anyway.

As for "Blandford Cottage", thanks for the update, since I only found "Brandford"; typo, mistakes, misspellings and other errors are really recurring often, mostly in censuses.

I am interested in the pictures to illustrate part of my research, concerning a relative in Capt Robert T. Lambert's family. This relative is not linked by blood to the Lamberts.

From Captain Robert T. Lambert (b,1818), this branch is mainly Salopian, with some bifurcations in Yorkshire.
There are some letters written by Major Robert Lambert (b. 1873) and kept at the Shropshire Archives. These letters are connected to the Clive Family and other members, as the Lambert family from Ash Grove, Whitchurch, was well connected and acquainted with the local gentry. An example is as follows:

LETTER from [Capt.] R. Lambert, Ash Grove, Whitchurch, Salop, to Bridgeman.

Identity
Document Reference: 4629/1/1924/48
System Reference: X4629/a/1/1924/48

Details

Date: 1 November 1924
Repository: Shropshire Archives
Description: He thanks W.C.B. for what he [W.C.B.] wrote about him [R.L.] and for the copy of "The Passing Years".

This letter is addressed to William Clive Bridgeman, Viscount Bridgeman, politician and close friend to Robert Lambert. "The Passing Years" (1924) was written by Richard Greville Verney, another distinguished member of the Tory Party, as Bridgeman was.

As for my query about any pictures regarding Capt Robert T. Lambert and his wife Alice Elizabeth, I hope, somehow, to find anything. The auctioning of Alice Winsome Lambert's pictures is proving a real challenge as to the whereabouts...

Also, I have come across the Thames Ditton magazine, and it's been quite helpful and interesting. I presume you're in the team.

Good luck with your research,

Kind regards,

Cabarrús
Title: Re: Naval and Military LAMBERT
Post by: Aliwal on Wednesday 07 March 18 19:41 GMT (UK)
I don't know if anyone is still reading this thread but I found the following information about the military Captain Robert Lambert. The will of Juana Maria de los Dolores Smith, wife of Lieut. Gen. Sir Harry Smith names 'Robert Lambert of Blandford Cottage Thames Ditton' as one of the executors. It also states he is her nephew-in-law and is married to her niece Alice. The will was made 12th May 1870, Juana died 10th Oct. 1872 and the will was proved by her executors, Maj. Gen. Edward Alan Holdich and Robert Lambert, 24th October 1872.

Juana Smith is the subject of Georgette Heyer's 'The Spanish Bride'; Harry Smith served in the Peninsula in the 95th Rifles (later the Rifle Brigade), he was military secretary to Sir John Lambert in the 1814 war in America and A.Q.M. to Lambert in the 6th Division at Waterloo. Sir John made him major de place at Cambrai during the occupation of France.

The editor of 'The Autobiography of Lieut. General Sir Harry Smith', Sir Harry's great-nephew C. G. Moore Smith, mentions in the 1901 Preface 'I am indebted to my cousins, Mrs. Lambert of 1, Sloane Gardens, S.W., and C. W. Ford, Esq., for permission to reproduce pictures in their possession.'

I hope this information may be useful.
Title: Re: Naval and Military LAMBERT
Post by: Cabarrus on Tuesday 20 March 18 11:49 GMT (UK)
Hi Aliwal,

Thanks for your message. I already had the info, but I do really appreciate your post!.

Regards,

Cabarrús