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Title: Headstone pictures CAMBUSNETHAN CHURCHYARD WISHAW
Post by: Lodger on Sunday 26 June 11 21:45 BST (UK)
I have photographs of headstones from Cambusnethan Churchyard at Greenhead Road (not the ancient burial ground at Kirkhill). If anyone requires a copy, please contact me by PM and include your email address. The names in upper-case are the principal surnames on the stone, (usually Husband + Wife). The names in lower-case are Christian names and placenames. Where there is only one surname, I have tried to add at least one Christian name.

This thread is purely for requests of photos for this particular cemetery and any new genealogical research post should move to a new thread


ALLAN & GORDON
ALLAN, HAMILTON & STEEL
ANDERSON & LUNN
BAILLIE & LINDSAY
BAILLIE & RIED
BLACK & DALZIEL
BOND, EASTON & SOMMERVILLE, Holytown
BROWN (Rev Peter) & SMITH
BROWNLEE & DAVIDSON
BROWNLEE & GARDENER
BROWNLEE & HENDERSON
BROWNLEE & RUSSELL
BROWNLEE, RUSSELL, THOMSON & FORREST
BROWNLEE & YOUNG
BROWNLIE & GOURLAY
BURNS & YETTS
CAIRNS & CARR
CRAIG & PATERSON
CAIRNS, POLLOCK, McCREADIE & McKENDRICK
CALVIN & LAW
CLARKSON & BUCHANAN
CLELLAND & WALKER
COOPER & HAMILTON
CRAWFORD James 1853
CULLAN & BARMAN
CUMMINGHAM & KENNEDY
CUNNINGHAM & PRENTICE
CURRIE, HILL AND RUSSELL
CURRIE, THOMSON & THOM
DALZIEL & BRUCE
DALZIEL & CALDERHEAD
DALZIEL & DENIVAN
DALZIEL, MARSHALL & HODGE
DALZIEL & McFARLANE
DEAN & STINTON
DICKSON & NICOL
DOUGLAS & BROWNLEE
DOUGLAS & BRUNT
DOUGLAS & STALKER
DUNN & GIBB
EASTON & LINDSAY
ELLIS & JAMIESON
FERGUSON & BROWNLIE
FERGUSON & CARMICHAEL
FERGUSON & GIBSON
FINLAY & SMITH
FORREST & MCnICOL
FORSYTH & TAYLOR
FRASER, BINNING, GILCHRIST & MARSHALL
FRENCH, FINLAY & LORIMER
GARDENER & BLACK
GARDNER & DALZIEL
GARDNER, McDONALD & HADDOW
GIBB, Robert & William
GILLESPIE & ALEXANDER
GOLD & MORTON
GOLD, WEIR & KILPATRICK
GOURLAY & AGUS
GRAHAM & STORRIE
GP & CR
GREY, DOUGLAS & DOBSON
GREY & PETTIGREW
HADDOW & MILLER
HALLIDAY & BROWNLIE
HALLIDAY & PATERSON
HAMILTON & GILCHRIST
HAMILTON & McDONALD
HAMILTON & WYLIE
HANNAH & SMELLIE
HASTIE, BROWN & DALLAS
HAY, FISHER & BROWN
HEPBURN & DOUGLAS
HEPBURN, LOUDON & GROGAN
HEPBURN, SCOTT, STEWART, DAWSON, HAMILTON, GREY & NEILSON
HEPBURN & THOMSON
HEPBURN & WEIR
HEWITT, LIDDELL, REID, GILMOUR & KING
HORN & NAIRN
HUTTON & McMURTRIE
INGLES, SMITH & HAILSTONES
INGLIS & MARSHALL
IRVINE James 1859
JACK, WATT & LINDSAY
JACKSON, Douglas
JARDINE & HOOD
JARDINE, REID & ADAMS
KENNEDY & PATERSON
KERR & BRAIDWOOD
KIDD & TAYLOR
KILPATRICK & DARLING
KILPATRICK & WATSON
LAW & LEEPER
LEIGHTON David of coltness
LIDDELL Margaret, daughter of John
LIGHTBODY & DOUGLAS
LIGHTBODY & YETTS
LINDSAY, STEELE & SOMMERVILLE
LITTLEJOHN & PATERSON
LITTLEJOHN & ROBERTSON
LITTLEJOHN & YOUNG
LONG Andrew
LOUDON & CUNNINGHAM
LOUDON, CUNNINGHAM & ELDER
LOUDON & MAIN, Stane
LOUDON, STEEL & SMITH
LOUDON & STEWART, Bonkle
MACKAY, FLEMING & WALLACE
MacLEAN & SNEDDON
MANN & HAMILTON
MARSHALL, BARCLAY & HOGG
MARSHALL & RUSSELL, Kingshill
MARTIN & BURNS
MARTIN & SYM
MASON & STARK
McALPINE & French
McCARTNEY & CUNNINGHAM
McCORMICK & JOHNSTON
McCRONE & LANG
McCRONE Isabella
McDONALD & BAILLIE
McDONALD & McFARLANE
McFARLANE & WAUGH
MCINTYRE, Rev John
McKINLAY & McNEIL
McLEAN, David & Sarah
McLEAN & ADAMSON
McLEAN & BAILLIE
McLEAN & McDONALD
McLEOD & CRAWFORD
McQUEEN, Stonehouse moor
MILLER, J. (Corporal WWI)
MILLER & ELDER
MITCHELL & McFARLANE
MOFFAT, DAVIDSON, REID & PATERSON
MONTGOMERIE & NICHOLSON
MORTON, James
MORTON & GARDNER
MORTON & GOLD
MORTON & HAMILTON
MUIR & DOUGLAS
MUIR, HASTIE & CLEGHORN
MUIRHEAD & BARR
MUIRHEAD & WEIR
NAISMITH & CALLAN
NAISMITH & CULLAN
NEILSON & BELL
NEILSON & BUCHANAN
PATON & COWAN
PATTERSON & DALZIEL
PENDER & McCULLOCH
PETTIGREW, Thomas
PETTIGREW, FORREST & GIBSON
PETTIGREW & REID
PORTER, Henry & Sarah Jane
PRENTICE, BLACK, GILCHRIST & DENT
PRENTICE, CUNNINGHAM & KENNEDY
PRENTICE & FRAME
PRENTICE & HAMILTON
PRENTICE & TORRANCE
RAE, James 1855
RANKIN
REID & GARDNER
RENWICK & LINDSAY
RITCHIE, Jeannie 1854
RITCHIE & RODGERS
ROBB & GIBB
ROBERT, RAE & CLELLAND
ROBERTSON, James & William, preacher
ROBERTSON & MUIR
RODGER & STEWART
RUSSELL & INGLES
RUSSELL & PEACOCK
RUSSELL & THOMSON
SAVAGE & TODD
SCOTT, GRAY, BROWNLIE & EGLINGTON. Springhill
SCOTT & ROBERTSON
SKEAD & BROWNLIE
SMELLIE, Hugh & William
SMELLIE, ALLAN & McDONALD
SMELLIE & CLEGHORN
SMELLIE & GARDNER
SMITH & BROWNLIE
SMITH & HAMILTON
SMITH, HAMILTON & BROWNLIE. Springhill
SMITH, LINDSAY & MUIR
SMITH, Paterson, McNeil & Wardrope
SMITH & WYLLIE
SNEDDON
SOMMERVILLE, LEGGATE & LINDSAY
SPROT, Agnes Campbell
STARK & NIMMO
STARK & PRENTICE
STEEL & HADDOW
STEIN, Jessie, Margt & William, children of Andrew
STEVENSON & MORTON
STEWART Lockhart
STORRIE & THOM
STORRIE & WYLIE
SWINNERTON & STINTON
TAIT & THOMSON
TAYLOR & BARCLAY
TAYLOR & HAMILTON
TELFER & CORBETT
THOMSON, CLELLAND & RUSSELL
THOMSON & GIBB
THOMSON, McMINN, BELL & REID
THOMSON & STARK
TURNER & MCCULLOCH
TWEEDEL & GILCHRIST
WATSON & ALLAN
WATSON & ANDERSON
WATSON & CATHCART
WATT & EASTON
WATT & INGLIS
WATT & PETTIGREW
WEIR & ELDER
WEIR & WADDLE. Stewarton
WHITE, Robert 1854
WILKIE & HEPBURN
WILSON & McEWAN
WYLIE, CAMPBELL & BROWN
WYLIE, NELSON & McHUTCHESON
WYLIE & SOMMERVILLE
WYLIE & WALLACE
YOUNG & LITTLEJOHN
YOUNG & REID



Title: Re: Headstone pictures CAMBUSNETHAN CHURCHYARD WISHAW
Post by: Heathergibson on Thursday 07 July 11 11:26 BST (UK)
Hi There,

Am looking for the Headstone for James Mckinlay b 1817 d 1871. Have found his wife Mary McNeil.

Thanks

Heather
Title: Re: Headstone pictures CAMBUSNETHAN CHURCHYARD WISHAW
Post by: Lodger on Thursday 07 July 11 11:50 BST (UK)
Hi Heather, here it is. The inscription reads -
"1845 Erected by James McKinlay in memory of Mary McNeil his spouse who died 11th December 1844 aged 25 years".

According to the burial records, there are at least 4 more in that plot (the records are not complete)

MARY McKINLAY, aged 16 years. Interred 3rd September 1886.
WILLIAM McKINLAY, aged 65 years. Interred 31st March 1895.
MARGARET McKINLAY, aged 59 years. Interred 31st May 1895.
EDWARD McKINLAY, aged 74 years. Interred 29th March 1906.

Lodger.
Title: Re: Headstone pictures CAMBUSNETHAN CHURCHYARD WISHAW
Post by: lnr on Sunday 10 July 11 05:42 BST (UK)
could i please have a photo of Allan, Hamilton,Steel thanks lnr   
Title: Re: Headstone pictures CAMBUSNETHAN CHURCHYARD WISHAW
Post by: Lodger on Sunday 10 July 11 14:32 BST (UK)
You will have to send me your email address by pm, the image is too big to upload here.
Title: Re: Headstone pictures CAMBUSNETHAN CHURCHYARD WISHAW
Post by: gpaton on Thursday 14 July 11 01:18 BST (UK)
Hi Heather, here it is. The inscription reads -
"1845 Erected by James McKinlay in memory of Mary McNeil his spouse who died 11th December 1844 aged 25 years".

According to the burial records, there are at least 4 more in that plot (the records are not complete)

MARY McKINLAY, aged 16 years. Interred 3rd September 1886.
WILLIAM McKINLAY, aged 65 years. Interred 31st March 1895.
MARGARET McKINLAY, aged 59 years. Interred 31st May 1895.
EDWARD McKINLAY, aged 74 years. Interred 29th March 1906.

Lodger.
[Hello Lodger, Thank you so very much for posting McNeil & McKinlay headstone photo. James McKinlay who erected headstone for his 1st wife was the great great grandfather of my husband. Glynnis NZ]
Title: Re: Headstone pictures CAMBUSNETHAN CHURCHYARD WISHAW
Post by: Ian.Brownlee on Sunday 23 October 11 11:11 BST (UK)
Hi Lodger,
I am interested in quite a number of the headstone pics that you have listed and would be grateful to have a copy.
However, if there are too many to send, my (Top 3) priority would be:
BROWNLEE & RUSSELL.
BROWNLIE & GOURLAY.
DOUGLAS & BROWNLEE.
If it wasn't a problem to send all then my interests are:
BROWNLEE & YOUNG
BAILLIE & REID.
BROWNLEE & GARDENER.
BROWNLEE & DAVIDSON.
FERGUSON & BROWNLIE.
HALLIDAY & BROWNLIE.
McCARTNEY & CUNNINGHAM.
RUSSELL & THOMSON.
SCOTT, GRAY, BROWNLIE & EGLINGTON - Springhill.
SKEAD & BROWNLEE.
SMITH & BROWNLIE.
SMITH & HAMILTON
SMITH & WYLLIE.
SMITH, HAMILTON & BROWNLIE - Crindledyke.
YOUNG & REID.
Do you have these on a website to view?
All the very best, Ian Brownlee (*)

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Title: Re: Headstone pictures CAMBUSNETHAN CHURCHYARD WISHAW
Post by: andrewpercy on Monday 26 December 11 09:46 GMT (UK)
Hi Lodger

Am looking for info on the Watt family from Cambusnethan during the 1800's and noticed you have info on some gravestones from the church where my Grandmother has told me some of them were buried.

Would appreciate it if you could send images of the gravestones to me via email -

Thanks, Andrew
Title: Re: Headstone pictures CAMBUSNETHAN CHURCHYARD WISHAW
Post by: Lodger on Monday 26 December 11 10:03 GMT (UK)
Hi Andrew, I will send the pictures but you must remove your email address from the posting, it's not allowed.

Regards .......... Lodger
Title: Re: Headstone pictures CAMBUSNETHAN CHURCHYARD WISHAW
Post by: tazpants on Wednesday 28 December 11 23:05 GMT (UK)
Hi Lodger. Slightly off topic but do you know if a lair map exists for the private walled burial ground? You kindly found my ancestors in the burial ground Lair No 389 but i wouldnt know where to start in looking.
Cheers,
     Taz
Title: Re: Headstone pictures CAMBUSNETHAN CHURCHYARD WISHAW
Post by: Lodger on Thursday 29 December 11 01:47 GMT (UK)
Hi Taz,

I don't know if there is a plan but I think there could be. Best thing to do is to ask at the gravediggers bothy.

Lodger
Title: Re: Headstone pictures CAMBUSNETHAN CHURCHYARD WISHAW
Post by: tazpants on Thursday 29 December 11 22:32 GMT (UK)
Thanks Lodger. Once the better weather comes in i will head over that way and take my chances. Cheers
Title: Re: Headstone pictures CAMBUSNETHAN CHURCHYARD WISHAW
Post by: Robert56 on Monday 09 January 12 13:04 GMT (UK)
Hallo Lodger,
new here so I hope I'm doing this right.. I'm looking for a headstone picture for John Cumming d. Cambusnethan 1880. He's not on your list above but
in the list of Cambusnethan Old Churchyard Monumental Inscriptions from Lanarkshire Family History Society rtJ 2003 there is this mention:

"216/2 John Curnming died 12th September 1880 aged 85 years. His wife Margaret Clark died at Overtown 13th January 1895 aged 96 years. Their children.. " etc

I'm sure I saw a picture online a few months ago but neglected to save it and can't find it since. Hope you can help.

Cheers from Robert in Switzerland
Title: Re: Headstone pictures CAMBUSNETHAN CHURCHYARD WISHAW
Post by: AlanC1 on Saturday 24 March 12 21:55 GMT (UK)
Dear Lodger,

One of my ancestors was John Frater who moved from Wishaw in the 1860's to Manchester. Do you know if the name Frater is mentioned on any of the graves there...

We have hit a bit of a brick wall with John

Best Regards
AlanC
Title: Re: Headstone pictures CAMBUSNETHAN CHURCHYARD WISHAW
Post by: Lodger on Saturday 24 March 12 22:57 GMT (UK)
Hi Alan,

The name Frater does not appear on the monumental inscriptions for Cambusnethan but it does appear in the burial records.
There are children for the following couples -

JAMES FRATER & MARGARET GRAHAM.
WILLIAM FRATER & SARAH McBROOM.
THOMAS MAINS & ELIZABETH FRATER.
ADAM BRYSON & MARGARET FRATER.
DAVID DICKSON & ANNIE FRATER.
ANDREW HAMILTON & GRACE FRATER.

Hope this helps a little.

Lodger
Title: Re: Headstone pictures CAMBUSNETHAN CHURCHYARD WISHAW
Post by: AlanC1 on Saturday 24 March 12 23:04 GMT (UK)
Hi Lodger

Thank you it does I think. We have a suspicion our John may be the son of the Elizabeth Frater that married Thomas Mains as one appears on the Census returns with her

Best Regards
Alan
Title: Re: Headstone pictures CAMBUSNETHAN CHURCHYARD WISHAW
Post by: Lodger on Sunday 25 March 12 12:21 BST (UK)
Alan, do you have a date of birth for John?

Lodger
Title: Re: Headstone pictures CAMBUSNETHAN CHURCHYARD WISHAW
Post by: AlanC1 on Sunday 25 March 12 12:43 BST (UK)
Hi Lodger.

John Frater was born circa 1844 in Wishaw. We have never been able to find a marriage for him and his wife Hannah Fitzpatrick (maiden name) who was from Manchester. She may have previously been married before John and called Davies.

Best Regards
AlanC
Title: Re: Headstone pictures CAMBUSNETHAN CHURCHYARD WISHAW
Post by: Lodger on Sunday 25 March 12 13:27 BST (UK)
Are you sure that Elizabeth wasn't a sibling of John's?
According to burial records she was interred in the Mains family plot on 3rd February 1903 aged 74 years. The records do not show who her parents were.
Title: Re: Headstone pictures CAMBUSNETHAN CHURCHYARD WISHAW
Post by: AlanC1 on Sunday 25 March 12 13:31 BST (UK)
Hi Lodger,

No I am not sure at all is the honest answer. She might have been a sibling..

Best Regards
AlanC
Title: Re: Headstone pictures CAMBUSNETHAN CHURCHYARD WISHAW
Post by: Lodger on Sunday 25 March 12 14:05 BST (UK)
Was Elizabeth's mother Annie Duncan?
Do you have John in the 1851 census?
Title: Re: Headstone pictures CAMBUSNETHAN CHURCHYARD WISHAW
Post by: AlanC1 on Sunday 25 March 12 14:39 BST (UK)
Hi Lodger,

I don't have John in any census before 1881. The earliest record of him is 1878 at one of the baptism's of his children.

As I said its a bit of a brickwall. He had varying jobs in Manchester from sexton of church to stoker at a dye works and a fireman

Best Regards
Alan
Title: Re: Headstone pictures CAMBUSNETHAN CHURCHYARD WISHAW
Post by: sancti on Sunday 25 March 12 20:39 BST (UK)
Where did the info on his birthplace come from?
Title: Re: Headstone pictures CAMBUSNETHAN CHURCHYARD WISHAW
Post by: AlanC1 on Sunday 25 March 12 20:44 BST (UK)
Hi Lodger

The 1911 Census

Best Regards
Alan
Title: Re: Headstone pictures CAMBUSNETHAN CHURCHYARD WISHAW
Post by: sancti on Sunday 25 March 12 20:51 BST (UK)
On the 1881 it looks like Glasgow, Scotland
Title: Re: Headstone pictures CAMBUSNETHAN CHURCHYARD WISHAW
Post by: AlanC1 on Sunday 25 March 12 20:59 BST (UK)
Hi Lodger,

It does say Glasgow on the 1881 yes but the 1911 says Wishaw.

I think in 1881 what might have happened is in 1881 he was asked where he was from by the enumerator and said Wishaw. The enumerator probably not knowing where that was asked and John probably said near Glasgow.

It's the only explanation I can think of for the difference

Best Regards
Alan
Title: Re: Headstone pictures CAMBUSNETHAN CHURCHYARD WISHAW
Post by: sancti on Sunday 25 March 12 21:02 BST (UK)
On 1861 census there is a record transcribed as John Heater born Cambusnethan and boarding with the Main family at Greenfield Cottage N2 Branchel Road.

An Anc* member has corrected the entry to John Frater
Title: Re: Headstone pictures CAMBUSNETHAN CHURCHYARD WISHAW
Post by: AlanC1 on Sunday 25 March 12 21:05 BST (UK)
Hi Lodger

Yes I know that Anc member which is why I said we thought he may be connected to the Elizabeth Frater that married Thomas Main.

Best Regards
Alan
Title: Re: Headstone pictures CAMBUSNETHAN CHURCHYARD WISHAW
Post by: SusanZ on Sunday 24 February 13 12:53 GMT (UK)
Can you let me have a copy of the gravestone for Morton/Gardiner please.  That would be wonderful.

Many thanks

SusanZ
Title: Re: Headstone pictures CAMBUSNETHAN CHURCHYARD WISHAW
Post by: Lodger on Sunday 24 February 13 13:35 GMT (UK)
Difficult to read this one but the details (not an exact transcription) are -

"1842 Gavin Morton died 1858 aged 62 years. His wife Janet Gardiner died December 1843 aged 45 years. Their sons William, Matthew & William died in infancy. Son Robert died February 1880 aged 60 years (His wife Mary Hill died 21st May 1908 aged 86 years). Mary Gibb died 29th July 1890 aged 10 years. (Daughter of John H Gibb & Mary Morton)".

There may be some burial information for this family, let me know if you want to have it.

Lodger.
Title: Re: Headstone pictures CAMBUSNETHAN CHURCHYARD WISHAW
Post by: SusanZ on Monday 25 February 13 09:32 GMT (UK)
Hi Lodger,

Thanks so much for the Morton/Gardiner info.  This really helps a lot.   If there is any more burial information i'd really appreciate that as well.

Thanks again, susan
Title: Re: Headstone pictures CAMBUSNETHAN CHURCHYARD WISHAW
Post by: Lodger on Monday 25 February 13 17:54 GMT (UK)
According to the plot owners book (dating from about 1875 - 80) the owner of the Morton family plot was Gavin Morton. There are 3 entries in the plot book - (all dates are of burial)
In the South lair - MARY GIBB, aged 10 years, 31st July 1890.
In the Centre lair - ROBERT MORTON, aged 61 years, 28th February 1880.
In the Centre lair - MARY MORTON, aged 86 years, 25th May 1908.

From information in the gravediggers Day Book -
MARY MORTON, Crindledyke, aged 86 years, widow.
Parents - Robert Hill & Elizabeth Rowan.
Buried in the old churchyard 25th May 1908.

GAVIN MORTON, Crindledyke, aged 21 months.
Parents - Robert Morton & Mary Hill.
Old churchyard, 7th September 1864.

ROBERT MORTON, apprentice mason, Crindledyke, aged 18 years, unmarried.
Parents - Robert Morton & Mary Hill.
Old churchyard, 30th August 1873.

From the Day Books of the Municipal cemetery at Cambusnethan.

Plot C30. (3 burials)
GAVIN M. CLEGHORN, Crindledyke, aged 3 months.
Parents - William Cleghorn & Janet Morton.
25th November 1879.

JANET CLEGHORN, housewife, Crindledyke, aged 30 years, married.
Parents - Robert Morton & Mary Hill.
24th December 1880.

MARY CLEGHORN, Crindledyke, aged 5 years.
Parents - William Cleghorn & Janet Morton.
3rd January 1881.

Plot B575 (1 burial)
JEANIE MORTON GIBB, Shotts, aged 26 years, unmarried.
Parents - John Henry Gibb & Mary Morton.
3rd February 1914.
Plot B575 owned by John H. Gibb, foreman engineer, Rosbank Cottage, Hill road, Shotts.

Hope this helps a little,

Lodger
Title: Re: Headstone pictures CAMBUSNETHAN CHURCHYARD WISHAW
Post by: Lodger on Monday 25 February 13 18:15 GMT (UK)
I missed this entry in the Day Book, although he is recorded in the Plot Book.

ROBERT MORTON, pithead man, Crindledyke, aged 61 years, married.
Parents - Gavin Morton & Janet Gardner.
Old churchyard, 28th February 1880.
Title: Re: Headstone pictures CAMBUSNETHAN CHURCHYARD WISHAW
Post by: SusanZ on Tuesday 26 February 13 09:21 GMT (UK)
Dear Lodger,

Thank you so very much.   Susan
Title: Re: Headstone pictures CAMBUSNETHAN CHURCHYARD WISHAW
Post by: moragb on Sunday 03 March 13 16:08 GMT (UK)
Hi Lodger,
Are the photos of the Duncan headstone in the Private Burial Ground of the siblings Thomas, Agnes, James, Margaret and Janet?
If so, I would really appreciate a photo.
Thanks very much.
Moragb
Title: Re: Headstone pictures CAMBUSNETHAN CHURCHYARD WISHAW
Post by: Lodger on Sunday 03 March 13 17:20 GMT (UK)
Hi Morag,

I'm in Paris until Saturday, so I'll check the photograph when I get back home.

Lodger
Title: Re: Headstone pictures CAMBUSNETHAN CHURCHYARD WISHAW
Post by: MonicaL on Sunday 03 March 13 18:10 GMT (UK)
Lucky you! Enjoy your break  8)

Monica
Title: Re: Headstone pictures CAMBUSNETHAN CHURCHYARD WISHAW
Post by: Lodger on Saturday 09 March 13 20:24 GMT (UK)
Hi Morag, none of these names match the ones on the Duncan/Lighbody stone, sorry.
Title: Re: Headstone pictures CAMBUSNETHAN CHURCHYARD WISHAW
Post by: moragb on Sunday 10 March 13 09:35 GMT (UK)
Thank you very much for letting me know, Lodger.  I can see a long trail down from Brora to Wishaw to get my own picture!!!
Thanks again
Moragb
Title: Re: Headstone pictures CAMBUSNETHAN CHURCHYARD WISHAW
Post by: JulesT on Monday 11 March 13 12:05 GMT (UK)
Moragb I've pm'd you.
Title: Re: Headstone pictures CAMBUSNETHAN CHURCHYARD WISHAW
Post by: smitha1 on Sunday 07 April 13 14:29 BST (UK)
Hi Lodger,

I'm new to RootsChat so don't seem to be able to send pm yet.

Am interested in the details on the following headstones:

MUIR, HASTIE & CLEGHORN
SMELLIE & CLEGHORN

and

ROBB & GIBB

My great grandfather was James Cleghorn ROBB b. abt. 1887 (possibly in Bothwell).

His grandmother was Margaret CLEGHORN b. ?? in Cambusnethan, Margaret married Andrew ROBB in Bothwell on 3 Aug 1845.

Grateful for your help.

Best Regards,

Andy Smith
Title: Re: Headstone pictures CAMBUSNETHAN CHURCHYARD WISHAW
Post by: Lodger on Sunday 07 April 13 17:50 BST (UK)
Hi Andy, here are the 2 pictures you requested.
The inscription on the Muir, Hastie & Cleghorn stone is -
"Erected by James Muir in memory of his wife Ann Hastie who died 9th July 1854 aged 57 years. Likewise Agnes Muir their daughter who died 7th July 1854 aged 19 years. Also James Cleghorn their grandson who died 26th January 1848 aged 5 years. And Agnes Watson their granddaughter who died 30th August 1851 aged 11 months. Christina Muir died 23rd October 1865 aged 18 months. Peter H Muir .............. aged 28 years". (Rest of stone is buried).

On the Smellie & Cleghorn stone -
"Erected by William Smellie junior in memory of his wife Marion Cleghorn who died 27th December 1840 aged 26 years".

There are a couple of entries in the burial registers which may interest you. Both entries are from the municipal cemetery records, not the old churchyard.

MARY S. FORSYTH, housewife, Wishaw, aged 42 years, married.
Parents - Andrew Robb & Margaret cleghorn.
Interred in plot D189 on 12th July 1900.

HIEBRAM R. CLEGHORN, Fashoda, Newmains, aged 9 years & 5 months.
Parents - Robert Cleghorn & Janet M. Robb.
Interred in plot B100 on 25th April 1916.
Plot owner - Robert Cleghorn, building contractor, Fashoda, Newmains.
Title: Re: Headstone pictures CAMBUSNETHAN CHURCHYARD WISHAW
Post by: smitha1 on Sunday 07 April 13 18:31 BST (UK)
Many thanks for the quick reply. Do you also have the details for the Robb & Gibb headstone?

Many thanks for the burial register entries, the first of which is definately a direct link for me.

Do you have any clue what Fashoud refers to in the second burial register entry that you provided?

Best regards,

Andy
Title: Re: Headstone pictures CAMBUSNETHAN CHURCHYARD WISHAW
Post by: sancti on Sunday 07 April 13 18:37 BST (UK)
Fashoda is the name of the property they live in

They are there on the 1901 census
Title: Re: Headstone pictures CAMBUSNETHAN CHURCHYARD WISHAW
Post by: smitha1 on Sunday 07 April 13 18:47 BST (UK)
Thanks Sancti.

Do you have a connection with the Cleghorns?
Title: Re: Headstone pictures CAMBUSNETHAN CHURCHYARD WISHAW
Post by: sancti on Sunday 07 April 13 18:49 BST (UK)
No connection, just checked the census for you  8)
Title: Re: Headstone pictures CAMBUSNETHAN CHURCHYARD WISHAW
Post by: Lodger on Sunday 07 April 13 19:31 BST (UK)
Hi Andy, here is a picture of the Robb & Gibb headstone, you should be able to read it quite clearly.
Title: Re: Headstone pictures CAMBUSNETHAN CHURCHYARD WISHAW
Post by: smitha1 on Sunday 07 April 13 19:43 BST (UK)
Many thanks to you both for your help.
Title: Re: Headstone pictures CAMBUSNETHAN CHURCHYARD WISHAW
Post by: DavidAllanJackCarluke on Wednesday 01 May 13 21:13 BST (UK)
Would you be able to give me any information you have about the Jack family from the Cambusnethan Churchyard?
Title: Re: Headstone pictures CAMBUSNETHAN CHURCHYARD WISHAW
Post by: Lodger on Wednesday 01 May 13 21:47 BST (UK)
Hi David,

Welcome to Rootchat. Could you let me have a little more information? Maiden surnames always help, as do first names and time periods.

Lodger
Title: Re: Headstone pictures CAMBUSNETHAN CHURCHYARD WISHAW
Post by: DavidAllanJackCarluke on Wednesday 01 May 13 21:52 BST (UK)
Hi there. Sorry for being vague. I have a long line of Jacks who I believe lived in the Cambusnethan area. I have just started collecting data and I am currently not far back with my family tree. I am trying to gather any data I can get my hands on at the moment.

I am looking for any information/pictures of anyone with the surname Jack who lived in Cambusnethan. I believe that they will be linked to my family tree in some way.
Title: Re: Headstone pictures CAMBUSNETHAN CHURCHYARD WISHAW
Post by: Lodger on Wednesday 01 May 13 23:11 BST (UK)
Well, good luck with your search.
Title: Re: Headstone pictures CAMBUSNETHAN CHURCHYARD WISHAW
Post by: aussie researcher on Thursday 13 June 13 12:11 BST (UK)
Hello,
I'm helping a friend find his family the surname is McNeil.
All we know is that Robert Watt McNeil was born in this area.
So any McNeil photos might help us move back.
Thanks so much
Aussie researcher
Title: Re: Headstone pictures CAMBUSNETHAN CHURCHYARD WISHAW
Post by: Lodger on Thursday 13 June 13 12:44 BST (UK)
Do you have an approximate date of birth for him and do you know his parents names (mother's maiden name is a big help).
Title: Re: Headstone pictures CAMBUSNETHAN CHURCHYARD WISHAW
Post by: aussie researcher on Thursday 13 June 13 22:51 BST (UK)
Hello,

I believe he was born early 1920's
I'll check with my friend today and get back to you not sure if he knows who the parents are.
I might have to get his birth certificate to get this info.

thanks
Title: Re: Headstone pictures CAMBUSNETHAN CHURCHYARD WISHAW
Post by: aussie researcher on Friday 14 June 13 08:47 BST (UK)
Hello,
Sorry he doesn't know who the parents are.
I have just order the birth certificate so in a couple of weeks I'll have the answer.
Takes a while to get out to Australia.

We believe he married an Annie Bryson in 1947, this may or may not help.

Thanks again
AR
Title: Re: Headstone pictures CAMBUSNETHAN CHURCHYARD WISHAW
Post by: nkbauer on Friday 28 June 13 14:38 BST (UK)
Hello Lodger,
I have looked at your list of available headstone pictures but no not see any for my relatives. I'm wondering if they don't have a headstone on their graves. I'm sure they are buried in the area. Agnes Mclachlan Allan married John Liddell in Cambusnethan in 1873. They are found in the census records in Wishaw Cambusnethan from 1881 to 1901 but not in 1911. I have looked at SP (but not purchased their death records) and believe they died before the 1911 census. Their children were Isabella born 1873, john born 1873, Alexander born 1877, Jane born 1881, Agnes born 1884 and William born 1886. Have you ever seen these names in cemetery records? Thank you for reading this request.
Nan
Title: Re: Headstone pictures CAMBUSNETHAN CHURCHYARD WISHAW
Post by: Lodger on Friday 28 June 13 17:06 BST (UK)
Hi Nan,

It isn't as easy as putting all the family names together like that. first of all, I only have pictures of headstones from the old churchyard and private walled burial ground. The "new" cemetery, adjoining the old churchyard, opened in 1861, so it is quite possible these Liddells are all buried there.
I have the burial records of the new cemetery from 1861 to about 1917 but, there are some gaps, particularly from 1901 - 1907.
Could not find any children of John Liddell (or Liddle) and his wife Agnes. Could not find Agnes.
There is one possible burial for John but you would have to verify his parents names. This is it -

JOHN LIDDELL coal miner, Wishaw, aged 62 years, widowed.
Parents - John Liddell & Jane Reid.
Buried in plot E1034 on 5th May 1910.

If this is him please let me know.
If you have any spouses names for any of the children please let me know, I can check for infant deaths that way.
There are Liddells buried in the old churchyard too but I'd need more information, especially maiden surnames.
Title: Re: Headstone pictures CAMBUSNETHAN CHURCHYARD WISHAW
Post by: nkbauer on Saturday 29 June 13 00:32 BST (UK)
Thank you Lodger. John's parents were John and Jane Liddell so this is likely him. This is a rather distant branch of my tree. It is Agnes, John's wife, who was my great grand aunt. I believe she died in 1906 in Wishaw. Other than census records for the children I haven't pursued their marriages etc yet. I guess I had hoped that family members might be buried together/nearby but even Agnes and john aren't buried together. In other areas with different relatives I have lucked out in that regard. Lodger, you are doing a fantastic service for those who have relatives in the Cambusnethan area. Thank you for all your hard work and keep up the good work.
Nan
Title: Re: Headstone pictures CAMBUSNETHAN CHURCHYARD WISHAW
Post by: aussie researcher on Wednesday 03 July 13 22:55 BST (UK)
Hello,
Sorry he doesn't know who the parents are.
I have just order the birth certificate so in a couple of weeks I'll have the answer.
Takes a while to get out to Australia.

We believe he married an Annie Bryson in 1947, this may or may not help.

Thanks again
AR

Finally got the Birth certificate.

Robert Watt McNeil
parents father - Robert Watt McNeil, mother - Bessie Hamilton.
Robert & Bessie married 1920 in Cambusnethan.
Hope this might help in finding any headstones for this family.

Thanks
AR
Title: Re: Headstone pictures CAMBUSNETHAN CHURCHYARD WISHAW
Post by: Lodger on Thursday 04 July 13 00:28 BST (UK)
Hi AR,

I'm so sorry but I don't have any burial records after 1917. So if you don't have an exact date of death it would be impossible to find a McNeil grave.
If the 1920 marriage certificates has the parents names I may be able to do something with them.

The 1901 census on Ances**y has a Robert McNeil aged 4 years living at Watt's Land, parents were James and Agnes. I wonder if this could be the Robert who married in 1920?
Title: Re: Headstone pictures CAMBUSNETHAN CHURCHYARD WISHAW
Post by: aussie researcher on Thursday 04 July 13 08:59 BST (UK)
Hi Lodger,

You have the right family for 1901.
I have the marriage cert for Robert Watt McNeil and Bessie Hamiton.
Parents of Robert are James McNeil (born 1867) and Agnes Steven Halliday (born 1847).
Parents for Bessie are James Hamilton and Charlotte Matherson (Charlotte deceased before 1920)
James McNeil Parents Alexander McNeil and Janet Colvin.
I believe Agnes mother was Marion Halliday think she later married a Robert Watt.

Hope this might help
Thanks
AR
Title: Re: Headstone pictures CAMBUSNETHAN CHURCHYARD WISHAW
Post by: Lodger on Thursday 04 July 13 16:48 BST (UK)
Hi AR,  here's what I found from the information you sent.

CHARLOTTE HAMILTON, housewife, Motherwell - usual residence Wishaw. Aged 42 years, married.
Parents - Robert Mathieson & Elizabeth Menzies.
Plot E2438/9 on 25th May 1915.
Plot owned by James Hamilton, coal miner, 17 1/2 French Street, Wishaw.

(She probably died in Motherwell hospital, she is buried in the municipal cemetery and it would have been a double plot, don't know if there is a stone there, I'll try and find out).

2 more burials in the municipal cemetery, both in plot D109.

MARION McNEIL, Wishaw, aged 14 months.
Parents - James McNeil & Agnes Halliday.
Plot D109 on 14th April 1888.

MARION McNEIL, Wishaw, aged 10 DAYS.
Parents - James McNeil & Agnes Halliday.
Plot D109 on 9th March 1895.

All of the following are in the old churchyard.

WILLIAM McNEIL,  coal miner, Wishaw, aged 11 years.
Parents - Alexander McNeil & Janet Colvin.
Old churchyard on 13th September 1862.

MARY McNEIL, Wishaw, aged 13 years.
Parents - Alexander McNeil & Janet Colvin.
Old churchyard on 18th March 1867.

JOHN McNEIL, coal miner & pauper, Wishaw, aged 22 years, unmarried.
Parents - Alexander McNeil & Janet Colvin.
Old churchyard on 8th July 1871.

JANET McNEIL, Wishaw, aged 9 years.
Parents - Alexander McNeil & Janet Colvin.
Old churchyard on 10th May 1872.

ANN McNEIL, dressmaker, Wishaw, aged 22 years, unmarried.
Parents - Alexander McNeil & Janet Colvin.
Old churchyard on 17th September 1880.

Prior to about 1878 there is no Plot Book for the old churchyard, only the gravediggers Day Book, that's where the information above has been extracted from. So, all it tells us is that the burial took place in the old churchyard, no plot mentioned. However, after 1878 the records change and, on looking for the above Ann McNeil in 1880, I found her interred in a plot owned by a Mr Hugh Gourlay. It looks as if this Hugh may have been married to Ann's mother's sister Jane. I found 2 entries in the Day Book register to support this -

JANET GOURLAY, Wishaw, aged 2 years.
Parents - Hugh Gourlay & Jane Colvin.
Old churchyard on 12th June 1861.

MARY GOURLAY, dressmaker, Hartwood Asylum, aged 63 years, unmarried.
Parents - Hugh Gourlay & Jane Colvin.
Old churchyard on 20th September 1916.

The plot in the old churchyard was owned by Hugh Gourley (spelling of Gourle/ay)

In the Centre plot -

JANE GOURLAY, aged 73 years - 2nd December 1892.
JANET McNEIL, aged 68 years - 3rd July 1897.
In the North plot -
ANN McNEIL, aged 22 years - 17th September 1880.
WILLIAM McNEIL, aged 18 years - 12th December 1882.
HUGH GOURLAY, aged 76 years - 1st November 1901.

Hope you can make some sense out of all this?

Lodger
Title: Re: Headstone pictures CAMBUSNETHAN CHURCHYARD WISHAW
Post by: aussie researcher on Thursday 04 July 13 22:58 BST (UK)
Lodger you are wonderful  :)

Thank you ever so much.
This will help heaps with working on this tree.
The chap I'm helping knew only of his parents as he came to Oz as a baby.

I'll sort this and see if there is any other names that crop up.

Thanks again
Cheers
AR
Title: Re: Headstone pictures CAMBUSNETHAN CHURCHYARD WISHAW
Post by: Lodger on Friday 05 July 13 01:03 BST (UK)
Hi AR,

In the 1922 Wishaw directory, which appears to have been almost like a voters roll, there was a James Hamilton and a W. Hamilton (must have been a man) at 17 1/2 French St. In the 1925 householders list there was James Hamilton, miner  at same address. Too many McNeil's to pinpoint the right family, unless you have an address (or two) from the 1920 marriage certificate?
Title: Re: Headstone pictures CAMBUSNETHAN CHURCHYARD WISHAW
Post by: Lodger on Friday 05 July 13 21:29 BST (UK)
AR, I managed to get to Cambusnethan cemetery today, I found headstones for the 2 graves mentioned above. E2438 & 9. also D109.
The first lot are for the grave of Charlotte Mathieson. I will have to make 2 postings for them, same with the McNeil & Halliday stone.
Title: Re: Headstone pictures CAMBUSNETHAN CHURCHYARD WISHAW
Post by: Lodger on Friday 05 July 13 21:32 BST (UK)
Big photographs, you'll have to use the scroll bar at the bottom. Here's the next 2, just to give you an idea of what the cemetery looks like.
Title: Re: Headstone pictures CAMBUSNETHAN CHURCHYARD WISHAW
Post by: Lodger on Friday 05 July 13 21:33 BST (UK)
This is the McNeil stone at plot D109.
Title: Re: Headstone pictures CAMBUSNETHAN CHURCHYARD WISHAW
Post by: Lodger on Friday 05 July 13 21:36 BST (UK)
Another view of plot D109
Title: Re: Headstone pictures CAMBUSNETHAN CHURCHYARD WISHAW
Post by: Lodger on Friday 05 July 13 21:37 BST (UK)
I'm not sure if this is the same family of McNeils, just saw it in passing.
Title: Re: Headstone pictures CAMBUSNETHAN CHURCHYARD WISHAW
Post by: Lodger on Sunday 07 July 13 23:15 BST (UK)
I have added to the photograph list, as of today 7th July 2013 the following are now also available. It's just a pity that I cannot change my original post on this thread!

ADAM & CORBETT
ADDIE & PYIUS
ANDERSON & MORTON
BAILLIE Thomas 1829
BARR & DALZIEL
BELL William of Greenhead
BLACK & MacLEAN
BROWN & BROWNLIE
CAMERON & BARRIE
CARMICHAEL & WATT
CLEGHORN & MORRISON
CLELAND & WALKER
DALZIEL & DOUGLAS
DOUGLAS James, farmer Thornlie
ELDER of Shotts
ELLAM, RAMAGE, DALZIEL, CALVIN & LAW
FERGUSON Arthur
FRAME, HAMILTON, ESSON, STEVENSON & CLARK
GIBB, MARSHALL & FORREST Crawfordjohn Mill
GIBB, WATT & SHANKS
GIBSON, BARRIE, HENDERSON & ROBERTSON
HAMILTON & SHANKS
HAMILTON & STORRIE
HAY & LOUDON
HENDRY, GRAY & KING
HILL & RUSSELL
INGLIS & RUSSELL
JACK & DICKIE
JACK & ORR
KIRKLAND, TOWERS, CLELAND & EASTON
LANG & ALLAN
LANG & McLEAN
LIGHTBODY, YETTS, BLACK & MacLEAN
LINDSAY & ROBERTSON
LOUDON & PETTIGREW
LYLE & BROWNLIE
McCREDIE, CARENS, POLLOCK & McKENDRICK
MICHIE & MARSHALL veterinary Wishaw
MILLAR & BROWNLIE
MOFFAT & DOWNIE
MORRISON & SMITH
MORTON, CUNNINGHAM & DALZIEL
MUIR, LITHGOW & LAMB
NICOL & GRAHAM
PETTIGREW & HAMILTON
PETTIGREW & MORRISON
PETTIGREW, SMELLIE, RUSSELL & VINNIE
PRENTICE & REID
REID & CAMPBELL of Omoa
REID & HAMILTON
RENWICK William
ROBB & MORE
ROGER & SHIELDS
SCOTT, LAIDLAW, HENDERSON, HAMILTON, BALLINGALL, BIRRELL & McDOWAL
SMELLIE & ADDIE
SMITH & CALDERHEAD
SMITH Findlay
SMITH, MUIR, HIGGINS, HAMILTON, CAMERON & McMURRAY
SNEDDON & WHARRIE
SOMMERVILLE & PETTIGREW
STEEL, CUNNINGHAM & STORRY of Sunnyside
STEEL, SCOBIE, HAMILTON & MURIE registrars
STEVENSON & GLOVER
STODDART & HASTIE
TAYLOR & MILLAR
TUDHOPE, HAMILTON & NAISMITH
TUDHOPE John, Kirknowe
WATT, STEWART & MILLER
WYLIE, McHUTCHESON & WILSON
W.P & M.F. 1791

Title: Re: Headstone pictures CAMBUSNETHAN CHURCHYARD WISHAW
Post by: aussie researcher on Monday 08 July 13 02:28 BST (UK)
Hi Lodger,

What can I say thank you, thank you.
You are just wonderful these photos just say so much.

I'll have a look at the last headstone photo and see if it fits any where.

Thanks again
There maybe more names but I'll sort these first.

Cheers
AR
Title: Re: Headstone pictures CAMBUSNETHAN CHURCHYARD WISHAW
Post by: aussie researcher on Wednesday 10 July 13 10:10 BST (UK)
Finally the McNeil tree is growing.
Thanks to the amazing help from Lodger.

I'm puzzled by Alexander McNeil who married Janet Colvin in 1845.
I can find Alexander, on his marriage Cert is says he was a miner from Drumpellier.
On his son James marriage cert James was living at 2 Greenhead, Road Wishaw, his wife Agnes lived at 167 Stewarton Street, Wishaw.
This marriage was in 1886 and Alexander is deceased on the Certificate.
Searching Scotlands people gives me a couple of possiblities but without a purchase of certificate no real answer. Don't mind if I have the right person.
Wonder if there is a headstone for Alexander in 1867-68.
Any further help would be wonderful.
thanks
AR
Title: Re: Headstone pictures CAMBUSNETHAN CHURCHYARD WISHAW
Post by: Lodger on Wednesday 10 July 13 15:31 BST (UK)
I wonder if this is the right one -

ALEXANDER McNEIL, pit fireman, Pather, aged 40 years, married.
Parents - Alexander McNeil & Ann Fleming.
Old churchyard on 9th January 1867.

What do you think? The occupation is right, Pather fits the area, his age is right and his wife is a widow in the 1871 census.
Title: Re: Headstone pictures CAMBUSNETHAN CHURCHYARD WISHAW
Post by: aussie researcher on Thursday 11 July 13 06:58 BST (UK)
Hi Lodger,
I think you might be right.
Thanks your help has been wonderful.
With the dates is that a death date or burial date?

Are there other area's that have Churchyard photos?
We are also chasing a McNeil from Kildalton.
Not sure if the two families maybe connected or not.

Thanks
AR
Title: Re: Headstone pictures CAMBUSNETHAN CHURCHYARD WISHAW
Post by: LWLen on Saturday 20 July 13 18:55 BST (UK)
I was wandering around Cambusnethan today and took a few photos in the course of my research. I've eliminated most of the ones I've already seen in Lodger's lists but I wasn't sure if these ones had been covered or not so, just in case they haven't, I have photos for:

MOFFAT & THOMSON
NEILSON & MORISON
DALZIEL & NEILSON
NELSON & FRAME

Let me know if these are of any use to anyone, and apologies if I've duplicated someone's efforts and not spotted them.

I also have a John DALZIEL but couldn't make out the other names so it's probably not much use except that it's pretty old!

Alan
Title: Re: Headstone pictures CAMBUSNETHAN CHURCHYARD WISHAW
Post by: lcon on Thursday 15 August 13 08:50 BST (UK)
Hi, I wonder if anyone can help, I have from a book and an obituary a death in 1714 of a James Gourley/ Gourlay/ Gowrley and his wife who was a Weir. From the obituary of his Gr. Grandson in 1870 he was buried in Cambusnethan Churchyard and the stone stated their names and year of death. I ordered the MI books for Cambusnethan but there is no sign of them. Hope someone can help please.
Title: Re: Headstone pictures CAMBUSNETHAN CHURCHYARD WISHAW
Post by: Lodger on Thursday 15 August 13 12:27 BST (UK)
Hello Icon,

You are out of luck I'm afraid, there is, as you say, nothing in the MI book (which was compiled in 1982 - 83) and the parish mortcloths list only begins about 1742.
There may well have been a headstone for this family but very few have survived from that time in Cambusnethan. It may well have been a flat stone which has disappeared into the ground over the centuries, covered by a couple of hundred years of grass and leaves.
There has been much vandalism in this churchyard and many of the sandstone monuments have simply eroded away. Take a look at this photograph, it is number 40/1 in your MI booklet. The inscription was perfectly readable in 1982.

There is also the possibility that your ancestors are buried at the ancient burial ground at Kirkhill. This was the place where the original pre-reformation parish church was sited. It was abandoned mid-17th century but the burial ground continued to be used right up until mid-20th century. The stones there have been subjected to a century of vandalism of the most extreme kind. The biggest  culprit being the former burgh of Motherwell & Wishaw back in the 1960s, who allowed a great many of the stones to be bulldozed into a corner in order to accommodate a sectarian march.

There are some Gourleys buried in this ground but none as early as the date you give. 
Title: Re: Headstone pictures CAMBUSNETHAN CHURCHYARD WISHAW
Post by: lcon on Thursday 15 August 13 16:07 BST (UK)
Thanks so much, I thought this would be the case. We were hoping to get up this weekend and have a look, there is a stone with JG AM 1719 in the book and I was really hopeful it had been transcribed wrong, I thought it would maybe be the Gourley/ Weir grave in 1714, but maybe that is a bit of a stretch. Thanks agin for getting back to me so quickly.
Title: Re: Headstone pictures CAMBUSNETHAN CHURCHYARD WISHAW
Post by: jamesdon99 on Thursday 09 January 14 21:15 GMT (UK)
I have just come upon this site and have registered this evening. I have seen the offer of pictures of graves in Old Cambusnethan Cemetery. I was hoping that the Barr/Dalziel might be David Barr and Agnes Dalziel my 3 x great grandparents who both died in Wishaw.

Also the Lightbody/Yetts could be my Thomas Lightbody and Agnes Yetts, my 4 x Great grandparents who both died in Cambusnethan in the 1830s. A picture of their graves would be much appreciated.

I have many other ancestors from the North Lanarkshire area and although I was born and live on the Welsh/English border still have a couple of cousins in that area.
Title: Re: Headstone pictures CAMBUSNETHAN CHURCHYARD WISHAW
Post by: Lodger on Friday 10 January 14 00:56 GMT (UK)
Hi Jamesdon99,

Welcome to Rootschat. Here are the 2 pictures you requested.
The inscriptions read -

"Erected by David Barr and Agnes Dalziel in memory of their children, Alexander, David and Janet".

"Erected by Thomas Lightbody in memory of Agnes Yetts his spouse who died on the 8th December 1831 aged 63 years. The above Thomas Lightbody died 23rd March 1838 aged 77 years. Janet Lightbody their daughter died 29th February 1868 aged 62 years. Euphemia Lightbody their daughter died 16th July 1880 aged 84 years".
There is another inscription on the back of this stone which I will put in the next post, I've used up all the picture space in this one.
Title: Re: Headstone pictures CAMBUSNETHAN CHURCHYARD WISHAW
Post by: Lodger on Friday 10 January 14 00:57 GMT (UK)
Here is the reverse side of the Lightbody stone, it should be quite readable.
Title: Re: Headstone pictures CAMBUSNETHAN CHURCHYARD WISHAW
Post by: Lodger on Friday 10 January 14 01:40 GMT (UK)
I will check the 19th century burial records for the Lightbody and Barr families and let you know what I find.
Title: Re: Headstone pictures CAMBUSNETHAN CHURCHYARD WISHAW
Post by: jamesdon99 on Friday 10 January 14 17:23 GMT (UK)
Thanks very much, especially your speed of response, exceptional. They are indeed my 3 and 4 times great grandparents. I assume the children named on the Barr/Dalziel stone are all the ones who died in infancy.
I have Alexander 1842-1846, Janet 1853-1854 and a couple of Davids but no death dates. They had at least 12 children who I have information on.
I am directly related through their eldest son John Barr who married Martha Reid in 1841. They proceeded to have 12 children that I am aware of and I am related through their second child Agnes born 16 Aug 1843 in Cambusnethan.
 Any information on the prolific Barrs would be appreciated. The Barr surname was carried through to my mum's generation where 2 of her sisters had it as a middle name.
Title: Re: Headstone pictures CAMBUSNETHAN CHURCHYARD WISHAW
Post by: Lodger on Friday 10 January 14 21:13 GMT (UK)
Hi Jamesdon,

I searched the records I have and this is what I found. All dates are of burial. The plot records only begin about 1878 but the gravediggers day books go back to 1861, you will see that there is different information in each type.
You are right about the Barr family - millions of them  :)

The owners of the Barr plot, in Victorian times were, as you'd expect, David Barr & Agnes Dalziel.
There are 13 recorded burials from 1879 but there would probably have been at least double that amount before then. The plot is marked "ground closed" after the 1918 burial, this was because the law forbid the removal of old bones by the gravedigger to make room for new burials. So, in this plot are,
In the South lair -
AGNES BARR, aged 29 years, 19th November 1884.
DAVID BARR, aged 10 years & 6 months, 6th July 1900.
JOHN BARR, aged 7 years, 6th July 1900.
MARGARET BARR, aged 9 weeks, 8th September 1896.

In the Centre lair -
DAVID BARR, aged 17 years, 14th February 1890.
AGNES BARR, aged 89 years, 28th November 1895.
ISABELLA BARR, aged 34 years, 6th October 1897.
CATHERINE STEWART, (no age given, probably an infant) 30th October 1918.

In the North lair -
AGNES BARR, aged 17 years, 31st March 1879.
JANET BARR, aged 2 years & 6 months, 7th June 1879.
AGNES BARR, aged 2 years, 30th November 1880.
DAVID McLEAN, aged 2 years & 6 months, 14th November 1906.
JESSIE BARR, aged 68 years, 8th March 1915.
Ground closed.

From the gravediggers day books -

JESSIE BARR, housewife, Wishaw, aged 68 years, married.
Parents - Alexander Bell & Elizabeth Jardine.
Buried in the old churchyard on 8th March 1915.

DAVID B. McLEAN, Morningside, aged 2 years & 6 months.
Parents - William McLean & Janet Barr.
Old churchyard on 14th November 1906.

JOHN BARR, watchman, Wishaw, aged 55 years, married.
Parents - David Barr & Agnes Dalziel.
Old churchyard on 4th June 1878.

AGNES BAILLIE, housewife, Wishaw, aged 31 years, married.
Parents - David Barr & Agnes Dalziel.
Old churchyard on 22nd November 1869.

MARION BAILLIE, Wishaw, aged 5 years.
Parents - James Baillie & Agnes Barr.
Old churchyard on 24th December 1868.

JAMES BAILLIE, Wishaw, aged 6 years.
Parents - James Baillie & Agnes Barr.
Old churchyard on 9th May 1865.

MARGARET BAILLIE, Wishaw, aged 7 weeks.
Parents - James Baillie & Agnes Barr.
Old churchyard on 24th February 1865.

Unless I can find the death and parents of James Baillie, husband of Agnes Barr, there is no way of knowing if this family is buried in the Barr plot.

Not so many Lightbodys!

The plot owner, in Victorian times, was Thomas Lightbody.

In the South lair -
EUPHEMIA LIGHTBODY, aged 84 years, 19th July 1880.
W. McLEAN MOFFAT, 14 years, 16th November 1889.

In the North lair -
THOMAS BLACK, aged 69 years, 28th December 1901.

From the gravediggers day books -

JANET LIGHTBODY, housekeeper, Carluke, aged 60 years.
Parents - Thomas Lightbody & Agnes Yeatts.
Old churchyard on 3rd March 1868.

ANN YOUNG, Wishaw, aged 69 years, widow.
Parents - Thomas Lightbody & Agnes Yates.
Old churchyard on 27th November 1871.

EUPHEMIA LIGHTBODY, servant, Carluke, aged 84 years, unmarried.
Parents - Thomas Lightbody & Agnes Yett.
Old churchyard on 19th July 1880.

I have extracted this Lightbody information before on Rootschat, perhaps Monica or some other knowledgable member can find the link and add it to this post? Looks like someone else is researching this family.

Thats all I can give you at the moment, I am in Paris until the 16th (pause to let Monica roll her eyes)   
 ::)
If you send me names & spouses names for the other children of Thomas & Agnes I will have another search for them.
Title: Re: Headstone pictures CAMBUSNETHAN CHURCHYARD WISHAW
Post by: jamesdon99 on Friday 10 January 14 21:32 GMT (UK)
Lodger

This is wonderful. I'm so grateful. I used to spend summer holidays with my aunts in Airdrie but that was 50 years ago.

I've been reading some of your other threads and came upon the Wellwynd Church graves saga. My mum was a member of the church and I have her bible that she was given when she became a member of the church. I'm sure I have relatives buried there but that's for another time. Mum left Airdrie in 1939 to join the forces. She met dad, an Englishman, and spent the rest of her life in England. It's nice to think of the happy times we spent in Airdrie as kids.

Have a nice time in Paris and I'll try to get the information that you suggested together over the next week or so.  :) :) :)
Title: Re: Headstone pictures CAMBUSNETHAN CHURCHYARD WISHAW
Post by: jamesdon99 on Tuesday 14 January 14 14:52 GMT (UK)
Hi Lodger
Hope the Paris trip went well. I have put the info I have on the Lightbody/Yetts children. They tended to stay in the North Lanrkshire area around Wishaw, Carnwath, Carluke areas.
Thomas Lighbody and Agnes Yetts had 12 children that I am aware of
ELIZABETH LIGHTBODY
 b.Mar 1788 d. 1 Feb 1870 married William Donald b 1790 d 1843
AGNES LIGHTBODY
b. Aug 1789
JOHN LIGHTBODY
b.1799 d.1866 married Christina Brock in 1821
EUPHEMIA LIGHTBODY (buried in the Lightbody plot)
b.Nov 1795 d.16 Jul 1880 buried 19 Jul 1880
ROBERT LIGHTBODY
b.1798 d.1887 married Agnes Letham
ALEXANDER LIGHTBODY
b.1801 d.1875 married Isabel Tennant
ANN(e) LIGHTBODY
b.27 Jun 1802 d.24 Nov 1871 married James Young b. 25 Jan 1800 d. 6 Jul 1869
THOMAS LIGHTBODY
b.1 Jul 1804 d. Before 1817
JANET LIGHTBODY
b.6 Apr 1806 d. 29 Feb 1868 married Thomas Black
It is their daughter in law Catherine Maclean who was married to their son Thomas b.1832 d.1901 whose death in1872 is on the back of the Lightbody headstone so I assume she is buried in the plot.
WILLIAM LIGHTBODY
b.15 May 1808 d.7 Jul 1898 married Agnes Witherspoon b. 1812 d.14 Jul 1864
JAMES LIGHTBODY
b.1810 d.?? Married Margaret Douglas
ANDREW LIGHTBODY
b. 1813

I am aware that sometimes women are given maiden names on headstones and sometimes married ones. Was there a time when this changed?
In the Barr plot there are three Agnes Barrs .  Agnes Barr, Agnes Dalziel and Agnes Addie.
In the Lightbody plot Catherine Lightbody is written as Catherine MacLean.
I know from looking at close familyís Scottish records a womanís maiden surname seems to take priority but is it just family preference on headstones.

Any information on the these ancestors graves would be much appreciated.
Title: Re: Headstone pictures CAMBUSNETHAN CHURCHYARD WISHAW
Post by: Lodger on Friday 17 January 14 22:06 GMT (UK)
Hi Jamesdon99,

Here's what I found in the Cambusnethan burial records, all dates are of burial.

First of all, there is a monumental inscription for James Young & Ann Lighbody. I don't have a photograph of this stone, it may or may not have survived since it was transcribed back in 1982. I do know the general area and will have a look next time I'm in the burial ground. The information on the stone is as follows -
"James Young died 6th July 1869 aged 69 years. His wife Ann Lightbody died 24th November 1871 aged 69 years. Their daughter Agnes died 20th May 1853 aged 19 years. Their daughter Euphemia died 8th January 1861 aged 21 years. Their daughter Susanna died 8th July 1866 aged 23 years."

Not much in the Plot Boook for that plot. The last registered owners were Gavin Young & Margaret Strachan.
Buried in the South lair are -
JAMES YOUNG, aged 34 years. 6th March 1880.
JAMES YOUNG, aged 72 years. 12th April 1938. South lair now full.

From the gravediggers Day Book -
EUPHEMIA YOUNG, domestic servant, Wishaw, aged 21 years, unmarried.
Parents - James Young & Ann Lightbody.
Buried in the old churchyard on 10th January 1861.

SUSAN AUCHTERLONIE, housewife, Wishaw, aged 23 years, married.
Parents - James Young & Ann Lightbody.
Buried in the old churchyard on 11th July 1866.

JAMES YOUNG, tailor, Wishaw, aged 34 years, married.
Parents - James Young & Ann Lightbody.
Buried in the old churchyard on 6th March 1880.
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -

You said that this family had Carluke connections, so I wonder if this is part of the same family?
STILLBORN FEMALE LIGHTBODY, Carluke.
Mother - Mary Lightbody.
Buried in the old churchyard on 18th March 1872.
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -

The only other information I could find was on a child of Robert Lightbody.

From the Day Book -

GRACE PRENTICE, Wishaw, aged 80 years, widow.
Parents - Robert Lightbody & Agnes Letham.
Buried in the old churchyard on 12th November 1913.

There is an MI for the gravestone, details are -
"Erected by Isabella Prentice in memory of her father James Prentice who died 30th May 1849 aged 49 years. Christina Torrence her mother died 5th July 1885 aged 81 years. Isabella Prentice died 6th January 1901 aged 68 years. Their son William died 18th September 1910 aged 76 years. His wife Grace Lightbody died 10th March 1913 aged 80 years and their son Peter Currie Prentice died 11th November 1939 aged 60 years".

According to the Plot book, the last owner was  Christina Torrance.
In the Centre lair -
CHRISTINA PRENTICE, 80 years. 8th August 1885.
ISABELLA PRENTICE, 68 years, 9th January 1901.
PETER CURRIE PRENTICE, 60 years. 14th November 1939. Centre lair now full.
In the North lair -
WILLIAM PRENTICE, 76 years. 20th September 1910.
GRACE PRENTICE, 80 years. 12th November 1913.

That's all I could find. There may be more on the Prentice family but, unless you are descended from this line, the information will be of no use to you.
Here is what's left of the Prentce stone!

Title: Re: Headstone pictures CAMBUSNETHAN CHURCHYARD WISHAW
Post by: jamesdon99 on Saturday 18 January 14 17:53 GMT (UK)
Hi Lodger

Once again I can't thank you enough. This information would have taken me years to collect. I'll now be adding it to my tree and see where it leads.  ;D ;D

One last request. You told me that my 2x great grandfather John Barr is buried in the Barr plot 4th June 1878 but his wife Martha Reid who outlived him doesn't seem to be in the plot either as Martha Barr or Reid. She died in 1893 in Glasgow Road Wishaw when the Barr plot was still open. Any ideas?
Title: Re: Headstone pictures CAMBUSNETHAN CHURCHYARD WISHAW
Post by: Lodger on Saturday 18 January 14 21:11 GMT (UK)
Ah, that's because I didn't know about her.
I can only search for married females if I know both surnames.

The entry I already gave you for John Barr is taken from the Day Book, not the plot book.
So, although the entry states "old churchyard", it doesn't mention a particular plot.
Now that I know the name & maiden surname of his wife I was able to do another search.

Here's what I found -
There is another plot and the last registered owners were John Barr & Martha Reid.
(Remember that the plot book records only begins at 1879, so although John will be in it, he isn't mentioned).
In the South lair -
MARTHA BARR, 71 years. 25th April 1893.
REID BARR, 15 months. 29th January 1894.
AGNES STEVENSON, 15 months. 27th August 1891.
In the Centre lair -
MATTHEW BARR, 9 days. 2nd April 1889.
ALEXANDER DALE, 17 hours. 7th April 1902.

There is a monumental inscription for this plot but I don't have a photograph. Back in 1982 when the stones were transcribed this particular one was in very poor condition indeed. The inscription is - "1847 Erected by John Barr and (. . . . . ) Reid in memory of their son (. . . . . )" (rest of stone has sunk below ground).
At least you know that there was a son who died about 1846 or 47.

The adjoining plot was owned by a Robert Reid and the only entry in the plot book is for -
MARY REID, 76 years, 26th June 1911.
The Day Book entry for that burial is -
MARY REID, Glasgow, aged 76 years, widow.
Parents - James Findlay & ? McCallum.
Old churchyard on 26th June 1911.

Back to the Barrs.
The following six entries are from the Day Books and they are all the children of John Barr & Martha Reid. Each one is buried in the old churchyard, so they will be in the Barr plot belonging to their parents.

ANN BARR, Wishaw, aged 12 years. 23rd December 1862.

THOMAS BARR, Wishaw, aged 21 months. 5th August 1864.

STILLBORN FEMALE BARR, Wishaw, 17th April 1866.

JOHN BARR, Wishaw, aged 8 years. 17th November 1866.

MARION BARR, Wishaw, aged 12 years. 29th March 1867.

ALEXANDER MUNRO BARR, Wishaw, aged 13 days. 6th May 1868.

Makes very sad reading.
Title: Re: Headstone pictures CAMBUSNETHAN CHURCHYARD WISHAW
Post by: jamesdon99 on Sunday 19 January 14 17:25 GMT (UK)
Hi Lodger

Very sad indeed. They did have 13 children that I am aware of between1841 and 1868. She had her first child at  16. Seems that things were bad from 1864 to 68 although they were probably tough times for all working people in those days.
Title: Re: Headstone pictures CAMBUSNETHAN CHURCHYARD WISHAW
Post by: jamesdon99 on Thursday 30 January 14 14:22 GMT (UK)
Hi Lodger

I'm back. You kindly gave me information on the Barr plots in Cambusnethan Old Cemetery and one burial in the John Barr/ Martha Reid plot was Agnes Stevenson. I know she is the Barr's granddaughter  and the daughter of Richard Steventon and Elizabeth Hamilton Barr. You will notice that I write Steventon which is how his father and grandfather who hail from Shropshire have their names spelled in the records down here, not only on the census but in the nationally held BMD records. I have an aunt called Agnes Stevenson in Lanarkshire and wonder if on moving to Scotland they used the 's' spelling.

Richard and Elizabeth had several children after their marriage in Mar 27 1885 in Wishaw and I wonder if there are any records of these Stevent(s)ons.

Richard's sister Mary Ann Steventon married Elizabeth Barr's brother Matthew Murdoch Barr and they also had several children in Wishaw and surrounding areas.

Finally the Steventon parents both died in Wishaw

Richard Steventon 1830 - Sep 18 1901 and Susannah Steventon(ms possibly Allford) 1835 - Nov 17 1882

As always any help would be much appreciated :) :)
Title: Re: Headstone pictures CAMBUSNETHAN CHURCHYARD WISHAW
Post by: Lodger on Thursday 30 January 14 15:26 GMT (UK)
I could only find one entry for the name Steventon -

GEORGE STEVENTON, tinsmith, Wishaw, aged 22 years, unmarried.
Parents - Richard Steventon & Susannah York.
buried in the new cemetery, plot E147, on 10th December 1897.

Also in E147 is

WILLIAM C. BROWN, wishaw, aged 2 years & 9 months.
Parents - Gavin Brown & Mary Ann Cunningham.
Burried on 11th January 1899.

The Day Book for 1901 ends at 20th August, so no luck there and the Day Book for 1882 hasn't survived. However, North Lanarkshire Council may have the Plot book for E147 and it should contain the records of anyone else buried there.
Title: Re: Headstone pictures CAMBUSNETHAN CHURCHYARD WISHAW
Post by: jamesdon99 on Thursday 30 January 14 17:47 GMT (UK)
Hi Lodger

Thanks for that. The Steventon's were all born in and around Wellington, Shropshire now subsumed into Telford where they were all in the iron and steel industry hence the move to Wishaw.

They intermarried with the Allford/Alford family and quite a few of them appear in North Lanarkshire censuses. Any by chance you are aware of. The George Steventon you mentioned was a son of the Shropshire born Richard Steventon.

Thanks again ;D
Title: Re: Headstone pictures CAMBUSNETHAN CHURCHYARD WISHAW
Post by: Lodger on Thursday 30 January 14 23:16 GMT (UK)
I think there are a couple of Allfords in the Cambusnethan records, do you want them, even if there is no obvious connection to the Steventons?
Title: Re: Headstone pictures CAMBUSNETHAN CHURCHYARD WISHAW
Post by: jamesdon99 on Thursday 30 January 14 23:53 GMT (UK)
Hi Lodger

The only one I'm interested in is Levi Allford/Alford/Halford who is married first to Sarah Growcott(spellings differ) then to Harriet Steventon. I know Sarah dies sometime before 1901

Thanks
Title: Re: Headstone pictures CAMBUSNETHAN CHURCHYARD WISHAW
Post by: Lodger on Friday 31 January 14 09:15 GMT (UK)
All I could come up with is this entry, it may or may not be the daughter of Levi & Harriet.

THOMAS W. DYAS. Castlehill View, aged 2 years.
Parents - George Dyas & Harriet Hallford.
Buried in common ground on 24th June 1908.

(I think "Castlehill View" should be Castlehill Feus).
Title: Re: Headstone pictures CAMBUSNETHAN CHURCHYARD WISHAW
Post by: jamesdon99 on Friday 31 January 14 09:54 GMT (UK)
Hi Lodger

Thanks for that . You are right Harriet is his daughter and there are other marriages between Dyas and Steventon. Another area to investigate :)
Title: Re: Headstone pictures CAMBUSNETHAN CHURCHYARD WISHAW
Post by: VeronicaC on Tuesday 15 April 14 09:58 BST (UK)
Hello, This is my first time on roots chat and i'd love to see the inscription for CRAIG & PATERSON if possible? I've just traced the Craig side of my family back to this area and think this could prove a great lead. Apologies for not sending you a PM, I need to do a few posts before it will allow me to  :) Many thanks
Title: Re: Headstone pictures CAMBUSNETHAN CHURCHYARD WISHAW
Post by: Lodger on Tuesday 15 April 14 17:24 BST (UK)
Hi VeronicaC, welcome to Rootschat. Here is the picture, if you can't read the inscription I can send the transcript. Let me know if this is the right family and I'll have a look through the burial records for anything else that may be there.

Lodger.
Title: Re: Headstone pictures CAMBUSNETHAN CHURCHYARD WISHAW
Post by: jefarn123 on Wednesday 25 March 15 08:49 GMT (UK)
Hello Lodger.

Could you please send me a couple of photographs of my families headstones please.

BAILLIE & LINDSAY
BAILLIE & RIED
STARK & NIMMO
BAILLIE Thomas 1829

Thank you and regards.
Title: Re: Headstone pictures CAMBUSNETHAN CHURCHYARD WISHAW
Post by: Lodger on Wednesday 25 March 15 13:35 GMT (UK)
Here you are, if you can't read the text let me know. The inscription for the Baillie & Reid stone is - "Erected by Ann Reid in memory of her husband William Baillie who died 21st May 1875 aged 48 years. The above Ann Reid died 9th October 1902 aged 77 years". Not a good snapshot of this stone, sorry. The weeds are allowed to grow unchecked in this place. I will have to send 2 on this message and 2 in the next message.

Title: Re: Headstone pictures CAMBUSNETHAN CHURCHYARD WISHAW
Post by: Lodger on Wednesday 25 March 15 13:39 GMT (UK)
The next two.
Title: Re: Headstone pictures CAMBUSNETHAN CHURCHYARD WISHAW
Post by: jefarn123 on Thursday 26 March 15 04:05 GMT (UK)
Thank you Lodger. A very pleasant surprise this morning. jefarn123
Title: Re: Headstone pictures CAMBUSNETHAN CHURCHYARD WISHAW
Post by: jefarn123 on Thursday 26 March 15 07:07 GMT (UK)
Hello again Lodger. Thank you for the previous photos. they were a great help. Could I ask for one more this being - REID & CAMPBELL of Omoa - from your second listing, I missed it the first time round. Thank you again, regards jefarn123.
Title: Re: Headstone pictures CAMBUSNETHAN CHURCHYARD WISHAW
Post by: Lodger on Thursday 26 March 15 15:12 GMT (UK)
Here you are, if you need a transcript let me know.

Title: Re: Headstone pictures CAMBUSNETHAN CHURCHYARD WISHAW
Post by: jefarn123 on Friday 27 March 15 00:17 GMT (UK)
Thank you Lodger for the photo of REID + CAMPBELL of Omoa very much appreciated.

Is there any way of finding out if Ann Reid, the wife of Dr. James Baillie, is actually buried in the gravesite?

Kind regards jefarn
Title: Re: Headstone pictures CAMBUSNETHAN CHURCHYARD WISHAW
Post by: Lodger on Friday 27 March 15 08:47 GMT (UK)
I've had a look at what records survive, unfortunately the old churchyard Plot Book only begins at 1876, so the only one recorded is Frances 1904. The gravediggers Day Book covers 1875 but I don't know how reliable it is, it seems to cover paupers burials more than anything and the new cemetery burials are included. Out of the 24 burials recorded in the old churchyard in July 1875 just over half were children and infants. Cholera was rife in the area at the time so perhaps the book was not kept up to date?
Usually, if the headstone inscription doesn't say otherwise, the person is buried there. It does state that Helen is buried at Warreston.

Lodger
Title: Re: Headstone pictures CAMBUSNETHAN CHURCHYARD WISHAW
Post by: barbarag15 on Thursday 16 April 15 03:02 BST (UK)
Hello, just browsing through grave photo requests for Cambusnethan Cemetery.  I have details of two graves I would like to have photographed and was wondering if you would be kind enough to do this for me?
Cheers, Barbara, Tasmania
Title: Re: Headstone pictures CAMBUSNETHAN CHURCHYARD WISHAW
Post by: Lodger on Thursday 16 April 15 09:09 BST (UK)
Hi Barbara, if you send the details I will see what I can do.

Lodger
Title: Re: Headstone pictures CAMBUSNETHAN CHURCHYARD WISHAW
Post by: barbarag15 on Thursday 16 April 15 21:26 BST (UK)
Thankyou so much Lodger.  Details under:

Cambusnethan Public Ground Day Book
Reference Book: ACC/1852/5/54
Lair: 607
Registered No.  3801
Name: Robert Robertson
Residence: Overtown
Age: 73 years
Marital Status: Widower
Names of Parents: James Robertson and Mary Gray
Date of Funeral: 20th May, 1880

Cambusnethan Public Ground Day Book
Reference Book: ACC/1852/5/82
Lair: 109
Registered No. 177
Name: Margaret Robertson
Residence: Overtown
Age: 16 years
Marital Status: Single
Names of Parents: Robert Robertson and Margaret Dunn
Date of Funeral: 13th July, 1861

No rush. Very much appreciated though.
Cheers, Barbara


Title: Re: Headstone pictures CAMBUSNETHAN CHURCHYARD WISHAW
Post by: Lodger on Thursday 16 April 15 22:03 BST (UK)
Hi Barbara,

I'm sorry to disappoint you but these two burials were in Common (or Public) Ground, that is, they were in paupers graves. No headstones were erected and they would have gone in with strangers, other paupers. After all this time no one is even sure where this ground is exactly.

sorry to have to de the bearer of bad news.

Lodger.
Title: Re: Headstone pictures CAMBUSNETHAN CHURCHYARD WISHAW
Post by: barbarag15 on Thursday 16 April 15 22:14 BST (UK)
Hello Lodger
How sad and disappointing but thankyou anyway for letting me know.  It seems I am not destined to get photographs of my ancestors or their final resting places, but in this game that is not unexpected is it.
Thanks again, Barbara
Title: Re: Headstone pictures CAMBUSNETHAN CHURCHYARD WISHAW
Post by: TLField on Wednesday 22 April 15 21:48 BST (UK)
Hi, Lodger!

Could you please reply with the inscription for YOUNG & LITTLEJOHN?  I'm new to RootsChat and can't seem to figure out how to PM.

Thank you!
Traci Field
Clarkston, Montana USA
Title: Re: Headstone pictures CAMBUSNETHAN CHURCHYARD WISHAW
Post by: Lodger on Thursday 23 April 15 08:23 BST (UK)
Hi Traci, I'm in Paris until Tuesday, I'll get back to you as soon as I return.

Lodger
Title: Re: Headstone pictures CAMBUSNETHAN CHURCHYARD WISHAW
Post by: Lodger on Tuesday 28 April 15 17:07 BST (UK)
Hi Traci,

Welcome to Rootschat. Here is the picture of the Young & Littlejohn stone. The transcription was made back in 1982, before the advent of PCs and photoshop. The original transcript just reads "Erected by John Young and Isabella Littlejohn his spouse ................. rest worn."

I've played around with photoshop and come up with what I think may some of the "worn" inscription.

I think it reads something like "In memory of their daughter Janet who died (month ?) (day ?) 1831 aged ( ? ) months".

If you can link to this family let me know, I may be able to find some later burials in the cemetery records.
Title: Re: Headstone pictures CAMBUSNETHAN CHURCHYARD WISHAW
Post by: TLField on Wednesday 29 April 15 13:49 BST (UK)
Hi, Lodger!

Thank you so much for getting back to me!

This is exactly the couple who I was hoping it would be, too bad it doesn't give me many clues.

I've been trying to find birth/death records for Gavin Young and Sarah Balfour.  I found their marriage records on Scotland's People - married in 1797, Gavin of Cambusnethan parish, Sarah of Hamilton parish.  I also found record of five children, all born in Stewart-Town, Cambusnethan parish.  They are:

(1) Martha, born 1798, listed as 1st child - I believe she married Thomas Cunningham in 1818.  I found record of two of their children, but I have not been able to find any of them in censuses or death records.
(2) James, born 1800 - married Ann Lightbody, died 1869 - have his death record that confirms he is a son on Gavin and Sarah.  I also found a wealth of information on this family in this thread about the Cambusnethan Churchyard.
(3) Susan, born 1801, listed as 3rd child - have not been able to find anything else about her.
(4) John, born 1803, listed as 4th child - have not been able to find anything else about him.  Have been looking at all John Youngs in the Wishaw Relief Church Baptismal Register, marriage records, censuses, and death records.
(5) Gavin, born 1806 - married Ann Forrest in Hamilton parish in 1830, died 1885 - have his death record that confirms he is a son of Gavin and Sarah.  I have a fair about of information about him since he is my 4x great-grandfather.

The known children all appear to use Scottish naming patterns when naming their children.  If Gavin and Sarah also used the pattern, Gavin's parents would be James Young + Susan, and Sarah's parents would be John Balfour + Martha.

Both Gavin and Sarah had died by the time of son James' death in 1869.  Both James' and Gavin's death records list their father as a shoemaker. In looking at all the Youngs still in Stewart-Town for the 1841 census, I came across a James Young, born 1761, shoemaker, living with Mary, born abt 1766, and John, born abt 1801, also a shoemaker.  Perhaps this is an older brother of the Gavin Young I am searching for?  I'm not sure if shoemaking was an occupation that was shared by many family members like weaving was.  I've not been able to find out much about on the internet.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.  My husband has promised me a trip to Scotland for our 25th wedding anniversary, but that is a year away.  Plus, even though I've warned him, I don't think he will let me sit in research rooms for a month straight.  :)

Thank you again!
Traci Field
Clarkston, Montana USA
Title: Re: Headstone pictures CAMBUSNETHAN CHURCHYARD WISHAW
Post by: Lodger on Wednesday 29 April 15 17:15 BST (UK)
Hello again Traci,

I had a dig through the Cambusnethan burial records, here's what I found.
All dates are of interment.

JAMES YOUNG, coalminer, Wishaw, aged 27 years, unmarried.
Parents - Gavin Young & Ann Forrest.
Interred in the old churchyard 10th September 1862.

JAMES YOUNG, weaver, Wishaw, aged 69 years, married.
Parents - Gavin Young & Sarah Balfour.
Old churchyard, 9th July 1869.

ANN PATON, housewife, Cambusnethan, aged 20 years, married.
Parents - Gavin Young & Ann Forrest.
Old churchyard, 17th June 1874.

ISABELLA YOUNG, schoolmistress, Wishaw, aged 34 years, unmarried.
Parents - John Young & Isabella Littlejohn.
Old churchyard, 20th November 1878.

ANN YOUNG, housewife, Wishaw, aged 72 years, married.
Mother - Ann Forrest.
Old churchyard, 29th March 1880.

MARTHA YOUNG, out-worker, Cambusnethan, aged 70 years, unmarried.
Parents - Gavin Young & Annie Forrest.
Old churchyard, 23rd March 1914.

MATTHEW YOUNG, Motherwell Poorhouse, aged about 4 years.
Mother - Martha Young.
Old churchyard, 9th August 1873.

ANN YOUNG, pauper, Cambusnethan, aged 2 years.
Mother - Martha Young.
Old churchyard, 9th July 1878.

The above 2 children may or may not be the children of "your" Martha but, that's for you to look into if you want.
I also found the plot details for Gavin Young & Ann Forrest.

Owners listed (in Victorian times) as "G.Y. & A.F."

In the centre lair are -
ANN YOUNG, aged 72 years. 29th March 1880.
GAVIN YOUNG, aged 79 years. 4th August 1885.
JAMES YOUNG, aged 2 years & 11 months. 4th May 1896.
In the north lair is -
MARTHA YOUNG, aged 70 years. 24th March 1914.

There doesn't seem to be a headstone at this plot. I have a sneaky feeling that this may originally have been a Littlejohn plot, do you have any information about this side of the family?

If you ever make it over to Wishaw let me know, I can at least show you where this plot is.
Stewart Town was a small village, almost a continuation of "Wishaw Town" (as it was called then) and it is now included in the modern-day town of Wishaw, it can easily be found, Stewarton Street is a main road in the town. Cambusnethan, as well as being the name of the civil parish, was also a small village about a mile from Wishaw Town. It is also part of the town now but still with an independent aspect about it.
An "out-worker" was someone, usually a female, who worked on the land. Farmers employed them to pick fruit, plant potatoes, turnips, clean-out pig stys (or should that be sties?). You get the picture. We sometimes called them "by-workers", people could be described as working "out by".
It sounds odd to say it nowadays. (and I'm only 27!)

Let me know if I can be of any more help.

Lodger.
Title: Re: Headstone pictures CAMBUSNETHAN CHURCHYARD WISHAW
Post by: nkbauer on Wednesday 29 April 15 19:29 BST (UK)
The names of my relatives do not appear on your list. I wonder if there is any information on them in the burial records. They are:
James Lambie Baird  who died 18 Dec 1951 on E Thornlie St. Wishaw
His wife Catherine Jane Stewart who died 19 July 1951
Hugh Baird who died in 1900 in Wishaw and his wife Marion Stewart Baird who died 27 Jun 1890 on Caledonian Rd., Wishaw.
Thank you for your offer. You have helped many with their research.
Regards, Nan
Title: Re: Headstone pictures CAMBUSNETHAN CHURCHYARD WISHAW
Post by: Lodger on Wednesday 29 April 15 20:24 BST (UK)
Hi Nan,

The records I have finish at 1917, so I can't supply any information about the 1951 deaths, sorry.
This is what I did find, the burials are all in the "modern" Cambusnethan cemetery, not the old churchyard. As always, the dates are of interments.

STILLBORN MALE BAIRD. Wishaw.
Parents - Hugh Baird & Marion Stewart.
5th September 1882. Plot C185.

MARION BAIRD, housewife, Wishaw, aged 42 years, married.
Parents - Archibald Stewart & Jane Paterson.
30th June 1890, plot D86.

HUGH BAIRD, joiner, Wishaw, aged 44 years, widower.
Parents - Thomas Baird & Jeanie Lambie.
23rd January 1900, plot D85.

Hope this helps a little, the later burials may well be in D85 & 86.

Lodger
Title: Re: Headstone pictures CAMBUSNETHAN CHURCHYARD WISHAW
Post by: lud on Thursday 30 April 15 19:33 BST (UK)
Hello Nan
James L Baird age 91, is buried alongside Hugh in D 85 Cambusnethan, also James's wife Catherine age 89, the 4th person is  Alexander Rutherford age 72, 23 April 1963.
"In Memorium", Wishaw Press 25 July 1952 for Hugh and Agnes Baird , inserted by   Kay ,Ian, and wee Ian.
Death Obit, and "in Memorium", Wishaw Press 27 July 1951  for Catherine, from John, Nancy, and wee Nancy.
Hope this helps.
Title: Re: Headstone pictures CAMBUSNETHAN CHURCHYARD WISHAW
Post by: nkbauer on Sunday 03 May 15 23:32 BST (UK)
Hello Lodger and lud,
I have just returned home from a 4 day outing. The new information is a great welcome home gift. Thank you so much for your help; I really appreciate your help and efforts on my behalf.
Regards, Nan
Title: Re: Headstone pictures CAMBUSNETHAN CHURCHYARD WISHAW
Post by: JudyR on Sunday 12 July 15 14:30 BST (UK)
Hello:  would it be possible, pleae, to view the tombstones or inscriptions for these names from your list:

BROWNLEE & RUSSELL
BROWNLEE, RUSSELL, THOMSON & FORREST

Thank you very much!
Title: Re: Headstone pictures CAMBUSNETHAN CHURCHYARD WISHAW
Post by: Lodger on Sunday 12 July 15 14:52 BST (UK)
Hi Judy,

The Brownlee, Russell, Thomson & Forrest was a large obelisk, now lying in pieces. From what I can gather, the inscription that is now face down on the 4th side should read -
"Robert Brownlie died 22nd August 1863. Margaret Brownlie died 28th July 1865. Jane Brownlie died 28th May 1867. W Brownlie died 6th January 1873 aged 4 1/2 years. Alexander John Brownlie M D died 10th August 1899 aged 27 years. Thomas Brownlie died 10th June 1914 aged 87 years. (His wife Agnes Thomson died 14th October 1911 aged 79 years). Elizabeth Russell Brownlie died 21st March 1939 aged 77 years. Agnes Thomson Brownlie widow of William Gladstone died 20th June 1929 aged 69 years (interred at Bo'ness Cemetery). Also Alexander, Agnes & William Brownlie".

I have attached 2 of the three pictures to this post. Another one to follow. And also the Brownlee & Russell one if I can find it.
Title: Re: Headstone pictures CAMBUSNETHAN CHURCHYARD WISHAW
Post by: Lodger on Sunday 12 July 15 14:55 BST (UK)
The 3rd picture

Title: Re: Headstone pictures CAMBUSNETHAN CHURCHYARD WISHAW
Post by: Lodger on Sunday 12 July 15 15:20 BST (UK)
I don't seem to have an inscription for this one Judy, so what you see is what you get. Sorry!

Title: Re: Headstone pictures CAMBUSNETHAN CHURCHYARD WISHAW
Post by: JudyR on Sunday 12 July 15 16:37 BST (UK)
Thank you very much for the Russell and Brownlie photos and inscriptions!   I will compare my notes and see if I can link to the correct family branches.   Be glad for comments from others, too.
Title: Re: Headstone pictures CAMBUSNETHAN CHURCHYARD WISHAW
Post by: Lodger on Sunday 24 July 16 14:26 BST (UK)
July 2016.
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I have updated the list and now have quite a few more photographs. This will probably be the last time as I think I have covered most of them now.

ADAM & CORBETT
ADDIE & PYIUS
ALLAN & GORDON
ALLAN, HAMILTON & STEEL
ANDERSON & LUNN
ANDERSON & MORTON
BAILLIE & LINDSAY
BAILLIE & RIED
BAILLIE Thomas 1829
BARR & DALZIEL
BELL William of Greenhead
BLACK & DALZIEL
BLACK & MacLEAN
BOND, EASTON & SOMMERVILLE, Holytown
BROWN (Rev Peter) & SMITH
BROWN & BROWNLIE
BROWNLEE & DAVIDSON
BROWNLEE & GARDENER
BROWNLEE & HENDERSON
BROWNLEE & RUSSELL
BROWNLEE, RUSSELL, THOMSON & FORREST
BROWNLEE & YOUNG
BROWNLEE Janet died 1891
BROWNLIE & GOURLAY
BURNS & YETTS
CAIRNS & CARR
CAIRNS, PATERSON & McLEES.
CAIRNS, POLLOCK, McCREADIE & McKENDRICK
CALVIN & LAW
CAMERON & BARRIE
CARMICHAEL, Dougald & Helen 1811
CARMICHAEL & WATT
CLARKSON & BUCHANAN
CLEGHORN & MORRISON
CLELAND & WALKER
CLELLAND & WALKER
COOPER & HAMILTON
CRAWFORD James 1853
CRAIG & PATERSON.
CULLAN & BARMAN
CUMMING, CLARK & ROBERTSON.
CUNNINGHAM & KENNEDY
CUNNINGHAM & PRENTICE
CURRIE, HILL AND RUSSELL
CURRIE, THOMSON & THOM
DALZIEL & BRUCE
DALZIEL & CALDERHEAD
DALZIEL & DENIVAN
DALZIEL & DOUGLAS
DALZIEL, MARSHALL & HODGE
DALZIEL & McFARLANE
DEAN & STINTON
DICKSON & NICOL
DOUGLAS & BROWNLEE
DOUGLAS & BRUNT
DOUGLAS & STALKER
DOUGLAS James, farmer Thornlie
DUNN & GIBB
EASTON & LINDSAY
ELDER of Shotts
ELLAM, RAMAGE, DALZIEL, CALVIN & LAW
ELLIS & GARDNER.
ELLIS & JAMIESON
FERGUSON LOCHEAD & BROWNLIE
FERGUSON & CARMICHAEL
FERGUSON & GIBSON
FERGUSON Arthur
FINLAY & McKINLAY.
FINLAY & SMITH
FORREST & MCnICOL
FORSYTH & TAYLOR
FRAME, HAMILTON, ESSON, STEVENSON & CLARK
FRASER, BINNING, GILCHRIST & MARSHALL
FRENCH, FINLAY & LORIMER
GARDENER & BLACK
GARDNER & DALZIEL
GARDNER, McDONALD & HADDOW
GARDNER & RUSSELL.
GIBB, MARSHALL & FORREST of Crawfordjohn Mill
GIBB, WATT & SHANKS
GIBB, Robert & William
GIBSON, BARRIE, HENDERSON & ROBERTON
GILLESPIE & ALEXANDER
GOLD & MORTON
GOLD, WEIR & KILPATRICK
GOURLAY & ANGUS
GRAHAM, DAVIDSON & STORIE.
GRAHAM & STORRIE
GP & CR
GREY, DOUGLAS & DOBSON
GREY & PETTIGREW
HADDOW & MILLER
HALLIDAY & BROWNLIE
HALLIDAY & PATERSON
HAMILTON & GILCHRIST
HAMILTON & McDONALD
HAMILTON & SHANKS
HAMILTON & STORRIE
HAMILTON & WYLIE
HANNAH & SMELLIE
HASTIE, BROWN & DALLAS
HAY, FISHER & BROWN
HAY & LOUDON
HENDRY, GRAY & KING
HEPBURN & DOUGLAS
HEPBURN, LOUDON & GROGAN
HEPBURN, SCOTT, STEWART, DAWSON, HAMILTON, GREY & NEILSON
HEPBURN & THOMSON
HEPBURN & WEIR
HEWITT, LIDDELL, REID, GILMOUR & KING
HILL & RUSSELL
HORN & NAIRN
HUTTON & McMURTRIE
INGLES, SMITH & HAILSTONES
INGLIS & MARSHALL
INGLIS & RUSSELL
IRVINE James 1859
JACK & DICKIE
JACK & ORR
JACK, WATT & LINDSAY
JACKSON, Douglas (and FINLAY?)
JARDINE & HOOD
JARDINE, REID & ADAMS
KENNEDY & PATERSON
KERR & BRAIDWOOD
KIDD & TAYLOR
KILPATRICK & DARLING
KILPATRICK & WATSON
KING & LIDDELL.
KIRKLAND, TOWERS, CLELAND & EASTON
LANG & ALLAN
LANG & McLEAN
LAW & LEEPER
LEIGHTON David of coltness
LIDDELL Margaret, daughter of John
LIGHTBODY & DOUGLAS
LIGHTBODY,  YETTS, BLACK & MacLEAN
LINDSAY & BARRIE.
LINDSAY & ROBERTSON
LINDSAY, STEELE & SOMMERVILLE
LITTLEJOHN & PATERSON
LITTLEJOHN & REID.
LITTLEJOHN & ROBERTSON
LITTLEJOHN & YOUNG
LONG Andrew
LOUDON & CUNNINGHAM
LOUDON, CUNNINGHAM & ELDER
LOUDON & MAIN, Stane
LOUDON & MILLAR.
LOUDON & PETTIGREW
LOUDON, STEEL & SMITH
LOUDON & STEWART, Bonkle
LYLE & BROWNLIE
MACKAY, FLEMING & WALLACE
MacLEAN & SNEDDON
MANN & HAMILTON
MARSHALL, BARCLAY & HOGG
MARSHALL John died 1919.
MARSHALL & RUSSELL, Kingshill
MARTIN & BURNS
MARTIN & SYM
MASON & STARK
McALPINE & French
McCARTNEY & CUNNINGHAM
McCORMICK & JOHNSTON
McCREDIE, CARENS, POLLOCK & McKENDRICK
McCRONE & LANG
McCRONE Isabella
McCULLOCH & TURNER.
McDONALD & BAILLIE
McDONALD & McFARLANE
McFARLANE & WAUGH
MCINTYRE, Rev John
McKINLAY & McNEIL
McLEAN, David & Sarah
McLEAN & ADAMSON
McLEAN & BAILLIE
McLEAN & McDONALD
McLEOD & CRAWFORD
McQUEEN, Stonehouse moor
MILLAR & BROWNLIE
MILLER, J. (Corporal WWI)
MILLER & ELDER
MITCHELL & McFARLANE
MITCHIE & MARSHALL veterinary surgeon Wishaw 
MOFFAT, DAVIDSON, REID & PATERSON
MOFFAT & DOWNIE
MONTGOMERIE & NICHOLSON
MORRISON & SMITH
MORTON, James 1854
MORTON, CUNNINGHAM & DALZIEL
MORTON & GARDNER
MORTON & GOLD
MORTON & HAMILTON
MORTON & PETTIGREW.
MUIR & DOUGLAS
MUIR, HASTIE & CLEGHORN
MUIR, LITHGOW & LAMB
MUIRHEAD & BARR
MUIRHEAD & FRASER.
MUIRHEAD & HASTIE.
MUIRHEAD & WEIR
NAISMITH & CALLAN
NAISMITH & CULLAN
NEILSON & BELL
NEILSON & BUCHANAN
NICOL & GRAHAM

Continued on next post .................
Title: Re: Headstone pictures CAMBUSNETHAN CHURCHYARD WISHAW
Post by: Lodger on Sunday 24 July 16 14:26 BST (UK)
PATON & COWAN
PATTERSON & DALZIEL
PENDER & McCULLOCH
PETTIGREW, Thomas
PETTIGREW, FORREST & GIBSON
PETTIGREW & HAMILTON
PETTIGREW & MORRISON
PETTIGREW & REID
PETTIGREW, SMELLIE, RUSSELL & VINNIE
PORTER, Henry & Sarah Jane
PRENTICE, BLACK, GILCHRIST & DENT
PRENTICE, CUNNINGHAM & KENNEDY
PRENTICE & FRAME
PRENTICE & HAMILTON
PRENTICE & REID
PRENTICE & TORRANCE
RAE, James 1855
RANKIN
REID & CAMPBELL of Omoa
REID & GARDNER
REID & HAMILTON.
RENWICK & LINDSAY
RENWICK William
RITCHIE, Jeannie 1854
RITCHIE & RODGERS
ROBB & GIBB
ROBB & MUIR
ROBERT, RAE & CLELLAND
ROBERTSON, James & William, preacher
ROBERTSON & MUIR
RODGER, STEWART & CAMPBELL.
ROGER & SHIELDS
RUSSELL & INGLES
RUSSELL & PEACOCK
RUSSELL & THOMSON
SAVAGE & TODD
SCOTT, GRAY, BROWNLIE & EGLINGTON. Springhill
SCOTT, LAIDLAW, HENDERSON, HAMILTON, BALLINGALL, BIRRELL & McDOWAL
SCOTT & ROBERTSON
SKEAD & BROWNLIE
SMELLIE, Hugh & William
SMELLIE & ADDIE
SMELLIE, ALLAN & McDONALD
SMELLIE & CLEGHORN
SMELLIE & GARDNER
SMITH & BROWNLIE
SMITH & CALDERHEAD
SMITH Findlay
SMITH & HAMILTON
SMITH, HAMILTON & BROWNLIE. Springhill
SMITH, LINDSAY & MUIR
SMITH, MUIR, HIGGINS, HAMILTON, CAMERON & McMURRAY
SMITH, PATERSON, McNEIL & WARDROPE.
SMITH & RUSSELL.
SMITH & WYLLIE
SNEDDON
SNEDDON & WHARRIE
SOMMERVILLE, LEGGATE & LINDSAY
SOMMERVILLE & PETTIGREW
SPROT, Agnes Campbell
STARK & NIMMO
STARK & PRENTICE
STEEL, CUNNINGHAM & STORRY of Sunnyside
STEEL & HADDOW
STEEL, SCOBIE, HAMILTON & MUIRE.  Registrars
STEIN, Jessie, Margt & William, children of Andrew
STEVENSON & GLOVER
STEVENSON & MORTON
STEWART Lockhart
STODDART & HASTIE
STORRIE & THOM
STORRIE & WYLIE
SWINNERTON & STINTON
TAIT & THOMSON
TAYLOR & BARCLAY
TAYLOR & MILLAR
TAYLOR & HAMILTON
TELFER & CORBETT
THOM, GILDWOOD & TENNANT.
THOMSON, CLELLAND & RUSSELL
THOMSON & GIBB
THOMSON, McMINN, BELL & REID
THOMSON & STARK
TUDHOPE, HAMILTON & NAISMITH
TUDHOPE John of Kirknow
TURNER & MCCULLOCH
TWEEDEL & GILCHRIST
WATSON & ALLAN
WATSON & ANDERSON
WATSON & COLTHART.
WATT & EASTON
WATT & INGLIS
WATT , PETTIGREW, MARTIN & DOUGLAS.
WATT, STEWART & MILLER
WEIR & ELDER
WEIR & WADDLE. Stewarton
WHITE, Robert 1854
WILKIE & HEPBURN
WILSON & McEWAN
WP & MF 1791
WYLIE, CAMPBELL & BROWN
WYLIE, McHUTCHESON & NEILSON
WYLIE, NELSON & McHUTCHESON
WYLIE & SOMMERVILLE
WYLIE & WALLACE
YOUNG & LITTLEJOHN
YOUNG & REID




Title: Looking for a burial in Wishaw
Post by: Riff1 on Thursday 11 August 16 19:45 BST (UK)
Hi I am looking for my great grandparents burial spot.
Mary Mulligan died 1939 in Wishaw and John Paterson died in 1929. Both were Catholics and I am unfamiliar with what cemetery they would be buried in . Any chance you could help
Title: Re: Headstone pictures CAMBUSNETHAN CHURCHYARD WISHAW
Post by: Lodger on Thursday 11 August 16 23:18 BST (UK)
I only have the Cambusnethan records up to about 1917, so I can't tell if they are buried there. (I am assuming they died in or around Wishaw?) It may be easier to contact North Lanarkshire Council Cemeteries department or even Motherwell Heritage Centre, I think the old cemetery books are kept there now.
Title: Re: Headstone pictures CAMBUSNETHAN CHURCHYARD WISHAW
Post by: ailsac on Monday 26 September 16 12:02 BST (UK)
Hi Lodger
Hoping you can assist. I am currently waiting on Scotlandspeople new web site to come up to get the actual death print outs but certain of the area and time frame.
Looking for anything regarding the John GRAY (Born c 1799 - 1801)  who has died between the 1851 - 1861 Census, last living at 15 Burnside Row Cambusnethan. He was married to Elizabeth YARDLEY (various spellings), ( born actually in 1805, but Census give age as between 1800 - 1802) she has died between the 1871 - 1881 Census. 1871 She was living with Daughter Mary Pollok in Binnies Rows Cambusnethan.
I have worked out via familysearch they had the following children:
John Gray c 1826 Cambusnethan
Ann Gray c 1829, Carmichael - married to Hugh Muir
David Gray c 1832 Carmichael
Margaret Gray c 1839 Midlothian
Mary c 1841 Cambusnethan - married to John Pollok

As they were all coal miners I do not expect an MI, most likely buried in Common Ground but would be nice to know just which Cemetery and details if any exist.

I am following up my YEARDLY/YARDLY/YEARDLEY etc family tree and many were in the Lanarkshire areas of Carmichael and Cambusnethan.
Sorry I cannot give you exact dates of death as of yet due to just getting a break through on the family over the weekend and not able to confirm via a certificate.

Hoping this is enough information to assist with any research. I will try and do a PM to give you my personal email address.

Many thanks and I have loved reading all the great work you have done over the years regarding everyone in this cemetery.
Kind regards Ailsa
Title: Re: Headstone pictures CAMBUSNETHAN CHURCHYARD WISHAW
Post by: Lodger on Monday 26 September 16 17:32 BST (UK)
Hi Ailsa,

Couldn't find very much I'm afraid, certainly no photographs or MIs for the old burial ground.
This family seem to have been incomers to the parish but, as there are no official records for Cambusnethan burials before 1861, we will probably never know where John Gray is buried. his wife Elizabeth died during a period where there are no records of burials in common ground and there is no mention of her in the purchased plots for that time.

All of the following are interred in the new Cambusnethan cemetery, next to the old churchyard.

MARY POLLOCK, housewife, Morningside, aged 51 years, married.
Parents - John Gray & Elizabeth Yardley.
Buried in plot B50 on 7th May 1892.

NEWBORN MALE POLLOCK, Morningside, aged 9 hours.
Parents - John Pollock & Mary Gray.
Plot B50 on 8th April 1879.

MARY GRAY POLLOCK, Morningside, aged 9 months.
Parents - John Pollock & Janet Bulloch.
Plot B50 on 25th June 1897.

- - - - -
ANN MUIR, housewife, Morningside, aged 42 years, married.
Parents - John Gray & Elizabeth Yardley.
Interred in public ground on 5th February 1870.

JOHN GRAY MUIR, Morningside, aged 2 weeks.
Parents - Hugh Muir & Ann Gray.
Public ground on 2nd January 1867

MARY WILSON, housewife, Torphichen, aged 35 years, married.
Parents - Hugh Muir & Annie Gray.
Plot E918 on 15th July 1898.

also, there are 2 entries from the day book for Stane cemetery in Shotts, they are mixed-up with the Cambusnethan records for some reason. These may be of use to you, so I'll list them just in case you can link to them.

WILLIAM MARSHALL YARDLEY, Shotts, aged 14 weeks.
Parents - Alexander Yardley & Marion S. Goldie.
Plot A264 (at Stane) on 5th January 1907.
plot owner listed as Alexander Yardley, coal miner. 4 Gilburn Place, Shotts.

AGNES H. MARSHALL, domestic servant, Shotts, aged 18 years, unmarried.
Parents - William Marshall & Annie Yardley.
Plot A264 on 10th October 1911.
Plot owned by William Marshall, miner. 32 High Street, Shotts.

That's the best I can do, sorry it isn't much.
Good luck with your research,

Lodger

Title: Re: Headstone pictures CAMBUSNETHAN CHURCHYARD WISHAW
Post by: ailsac on Tuesday 27 September 16 02:50 BST (UK)
Lodger, thank you very much for this. Yes they all fit including the ones in Stane, Not a place I had thought to look at yet, but will do so now.
At least I know someone has had a look for me and very grateful for that.

Kind regards Ailsa
Title: Re: Headstone pictures CAMBUSNETHAN CHURCHYARD WISHAW
Post by: Rosinish on Tuesday 27 September 16 04:50 BST (UK)
Hi Lodger,

Is it possible to give me the details for this MI on your list please with transcription if you have it?

CULLAN & BARMAN

I'm wondering if the "Cullan" may be one of my "Cullen's" with variant of spelling.

I did have another from you in the past with a variant in spelling which was one of mine.

Annie


Title: Re: Headstone pictures CAMBUSNETHAN CHURCHYARD WISHAW
Post by: Lodger on Tuesday 27 September 16 08:04 BST (UK)
Hi Annie, it's a very small stone with a simple inscription and no dates I'm afraid.

"Erected by Mary Barman in memory of her husband James Cullan".
The plot records (which only began about 1875 - 77) record the owner as "Mary Burman". Interred in the plot are Isabella Waddell aged 50 years, buried 28th January 1903. Also 3 Waddell children at various dates. Plus Janet Simpson aged 79 years, buried 20th June 1906.

Searched all the records and no other Barman/Burman mentioned and only a handful of Cullen/Cullans.

Title: Re: Headstone pictures CAMBUSNETHAN CHURCHYARD WISHAW
Post by: ailsac on Friday 30 September 16 06:52 BST (UK)
Hi Lodger
Would you please mind to see if your Gold & Morton MI relates to any of the following family please.
I have an Elizabeth Forrest who married William GOLD in 1877 at Dalserf. Her death certificate was strange as it was the first time I had seen her mentioned as Elizabeth MORTON GOLD who died 4th April 1916, Dalserf.
It was from this that gave me the clue to her Grandparents names, who did marry and have all children in Cambusnethan. Alexander FORREST m Elisabeth MORTON 14 May 1814.
They had the following children: All in Cambusnethan (now I have a chance to follow up on them)
Janet Forrest 16 April 1815
Jean Forrest 19 May 1816
Marrion Inglis Forrest 20 April 1817
Alexander Forrest 27 Sept 1818
Jean Forrest 24 Oct 1819
Isobel Forrest 11 March 1821
John Forrest 18 May 1823
David Leighton Forrest 19 Sept 1824

As I have only found these last night I have lots of work to do as of yet, but wondered if the MORTON and GOLD did relate in anyway.
Also thought if others see these names they may have connections.
Thanks again for your time to look at your records, appreciated.
Regards Ailsa
Title: Re: Headstone pictures CAMBUSNETHAN CHURCHYARD WISHAW
Post by: middlesbrough on Friday 30 September 16 08:09 BST (UK)
Hi Lodger,
I was wondering if you could possibly help me too. I am looking for any Aitkens, in particular Charles and Lockhart Aitken/Lothian.
Thank you in advance
Title: Re: Headstone pictures CAMBUSNETHAN CHURCHYARD WISHAW
Post by: Lodger on Friday 30 September 16 09:06 BST (UK)
Hi Ailsa,

I can't match any of the Cambusnethan records to these families, sorry. The Gold/Morton family have 3 generation of Andrew Gold, a link to Carluke but this is not the family you are looking for. There are plenty of forests (and Forrester's) but I would need the names of spouses to find any of the children you listed.
Keep hunting!
Title: Re: Headstone pictures CAMBUSNETHAN CHURCHYARD WISHAW
Post by: Lodger on Friday 30 September 16 09:27 BST (UK)
Hello Middlesbrough,

I found one definite burial for this family, not in the old Churchyard or cemetery but in the ancient (pre-Reformation) ground at Kirkhill. This was mostly used later on (after the "new" church was built a couple of miles away about 1650) by farmers and estate workers with very long links to the parish. It is quite out of the way and difficult to reach and the last interment would probably have been September 1955.

This is the one I found -

THOMAS AITKEN, labourer, Wishaw, aged 52 years, unmarried.
Parents - Charles Aitken & Lockhart Lothian.
Interred in the Clyde burial ground on 27th October 1866.

There are a few Lothians, some in Kirkhill (the Clyde as it's called in these records) and some in the old churchyard at Cambusnethan village. The related names are Lang, Wilkie, Dalziel, Brownlee, Davidson and Ferguson. If you want the details let me know. I have a few pictures of the Lothian plot at Kirkhill if you want them. There is still a joiners firm in Wishaw called Lothian, I see their van going around, William Lothian, joiner was buried at Kirkhill 20th September 1861.

Lastly, one of the very last entries on the list of burials for Kirkhill (and it's a short list of names & dates, no parents) is -
AGNES AITKEN, aged 62 years, interred 30th March 1955.

Hope this helps,
Lodger
Title: Re: Headstone pictures CAMBUSNETHAN CHURCHYARD WISHAW
Post by: middlesbrough on Friday 30 September 16 10:18 BST (UK)
Thank you so much for that. Charles Aitken was a gardener but I have no idea when he or his wife Lockhart died. I had no idea that Thomas died then either. I think Lockhart was the daughter of William but I can't be certain of that either.

Cheers
Title: Re: Headstone pictures CAMBUSNETHAN CHURCHYARD WISHAW
Post by: Lodger on Friday 30 September 16 11:02 BST (UK)
A gardener would make sense and, it was the family Lockhart of the Lee who had the estate of Cambusnethan House, so perhaps Charles was a gardener there. Perhaps his wife Lockhart was named after the titled family, which would make her a child whose father must also have worked on the estate. A lot of "ifs" I know.
The Lockharts were a very prominent family, one of them was the father-in-law of Sir Walter Scott (and his biographer).
Do you need the Lothian information?
Title: Re: Headstone pictures CAMBUSNETHAN CHURCHYARD WISHAW
Post by: middlesbrough on Friday 30 September 16 12:49 BST (UK)
I would love the Lothian/Lowden records. Charles and Lockhart were married in Cambusnethan but he was born in Abercorn, West Lothian. There are so many Lothian/Lowden/Louden's. It makes it very difficult.
Title: Re: Headstone pictures CAMBUSNETHAN CHURCHYARD WISHAW
Post by: ailsac on Friday 30 September 16 13:12 BST (UK)
Many thanks Lodger
I most likely will get back to you when I have done more research regarding the Forrest family now located, but I need some time to work out spouses and areas, and children of them.
Again thanks for the look, it was worth the ask even if not the right location for the GOLD family that married into FORREST

kind regards
Ailsa
Title: Re: Headstone pictures CAMBUSNETHAN CHURCHYARD WISHAW
Post by: Lodger on Friday 30 September 16 15:53 BST (UK)
Hello again Middlesbrough,

Here is what I found for the Lothian's etc.
 
JANE LOTHIAN, housewife, Wishaw, aged 89 years, widow.
Parents - Alexander Lang & Janet Wilkie.
Interred in the Clyde burial ground on 1st November 1866.

JANE LOTHIAN, housewife, Wishaw, aged 58 years, married.
Parents - Robert Brownlee & Marion Davidson.
Interred in the Clyde burial ground on 2nd February 1874.

I made a mistake in my earlier posting, William Lothian is not buried at Kirkhill (Clyde).
Here he is -
WILLIAM LOTHIAN, joiner, Wishaw, aged 37 years, married.
Parents - David Lothian & Jane Lang.
Interred in the old churchyard at Cambusnethan on 20th September 1861.

JESSIE DALZIEL, Wishaw, aged 23 years, unmarried.
Parents - John Dalziel & Jane Lothian.
Old churchyard on 13th March 1868.

The plot records for the old churchyard at Cambusnethan only begin in the 3rd quarter of the 19th century. (No plot records exist for Kirkhill/Clyde).

A plot owned in Victorian times by John Dalziel & Jane Lothian.
In the centre compartment -
JANE DALZIEL, aged 77 years, buried on 9th February 1883.
JOHN DALZIEL, aged 82 years, buried 16th June 1883.

In the south compartment -
GEORGE FERGUSON, aged 48 years, buried 15th October 1891.
JEANIE FERGUSON, aged 73 years, buried 21st April 1915.

Here are a few more "maybe's"

MARY CAPPIE, Wishaw, aged 84 years, widow.
Parents - John Lothian & Helen Baxter.
Interred in the new cemetery plot E1974 on 25th December 1908.

JANET RAMAGE, housewife, Flemington (parish of Dalziel) aged 59 years, married.
Parents - William Lothian & Janet Brown.
Interred in the old churchyard on 3rd October 1910.

JEANIE FERGUSON, Dufftown, aged 73 years, widow.
Parents - John Dalziel & Jeanie Lothian.
Old churchyard on 21st April 1915. (see plot records)

The 2 pictures are of the same stone, I didn't transcribe it at the time and from what I can read of it now -

"1838 Erected by David Lothian and Jane Lang in memory of William and Christian their two children. David Lothian died . . . . . . . 1854 aged 54(?) and his wife died . . . . . 1866?"
Underneath is written -
"In memory of our dear father and mother William(?) Pearston . . . . . . died  . . . 1898(?) aged 70 years and Christina Lothian his wife who died . . . . . . 1900 aged 80 years".

 

Title: Re: Headstone pictures CAMBUSNETHAN CHURCHYARD WISHAW
Post by: Lodger on Friday 30 September 16 15:59 BST (UK)
So I was right the first time, William Lothian who died in 1861 IS buried at Kirkhill, not at Cambusnethan churchyard. Checked the records again and it does say Cambusnethan but this picture below was 100% definitely taken at Kirkhill.

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Post by: middlesbrough on Friday 30 September 16 21:33 BST (UK)
Hi Lodger,
Thank you so much for all this. I will now have to go through my Lothian family. If Charles died before 1841 and Lockhart between 1841 and 51, where do you think they would likely be interred? It is so frustrating. It would be good if I could find out which estate (if any) he worked on.

Thanks so much again, you're a star!
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Post by: middlesbrough on Friday 30 September 16 21:49 BST (UK)
Just realised, David Lothian is the brother of Lockhart!
Title: Re: Headstone pictures CAMBUSNETHAN CHURCHYARD WISHAW
Post by: Johnjamesbaxter on Tuesday 07 February 17 01:18 GMT (UK)
When I was a young boy I used to play in the old Cemetery and I remember what it looked like then. The grave stones were still standing and I remember the Covenanters graves. This was in the late 40's and early 50's

I went back there 2 years  ago and I almost cried, there was nothing left but the Duke of Hamiltons mosoleum.

There were no fences and the cows had free access. What a shame and a loss of our heritage
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Post by: Mariblog on Friday 17 February 17 14:51 GMT (UK)
Hi Lodger,
This is my first post.  It is truly wonderful information that you give us. 
I think I saw the monument for John Cairns d1876 some time ago.
May I have a copy? Will hit "post" and hope for the best.  :)
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Post by: Lodger on Friday 17 February 17 18:53 GMT (UK)
Hello Mariblog and welcome to Rootschat.
I'm not too sure which John Cairns you mean, can you match him with a wife or mother's maiden surname please?
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Post by: Mariblog on Friday 17 February 17 19:11 GMT (UK)
Thanks for such a quick reply, Lodger.  Sorry I wasn't more precise. It was for John Cairns 1823-1876 whose parents were Adam Cairns d1835 and Janet Paterson 1798?-1876.  All deaths were in Cambusnethan

Thank you!
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Post by: Lodger on Friday 17 February 17 21:13 GMT (UK)
Here are the pictures of that stone, no mention of John Cairns on it though!

I have the plot records for the old churchyard but they only begin towards the end of 1876, so he isn't there but, he is recorded in the gravedigger's day book.
JOHN CAIRNS, miner & pauper, Chapel, aged 53 years, married.
Parents - Adam Cairns & Janet Paterson.
Interred in the old churchyard on 2nd August 1876.

Also in that plot but not recorded on the stone is -
MARGARET CAIRNS, aged 87 years.
Interred 5th February 1924.

The details from the day book for Archibald -
ARCHIBALD CAIRNS, retired engine keeper, aged 78 years, married.
Parents - Adam Cairns & Janet Paterson.

Further information from the gravedigger's day book -

ADAM CAIRNS, engine keeper, Chapel, aged 79 years, married.
Parents - Adam Cairns & Janet Paterson.
Interred in the new cemetery, plot 1559/60A on 15th April 1911.
Plot owned (at that time) by Mrs Janet McLean or Cairns, Braehead Cottage, Chapel.

HENRY CAIRNS, engine keeper, Chapel, aged 45 years, unmarried.
Parents - Adam Cairns & Janet Paterson.
Interred in the old churchyard on 30th December 1864.

JAMES CAIRNS, coal miner, Overtown, aged 49 years, widower.
Parents - Adam Cairns & Janet Paterson.
Interred in the old churchyard 13th July 1867.

ANDREW CAIRNS, shoemaker, Morningside, aged 53 years, widower.
Parents - Adam Cairns & Janet Paterson.
Interred in the old churchyard on 11th December 1873.

JANET CAIRNS, pauper, Cambusnethan, aged 98 years, widow.
Parents - James Paterson. ---------- no mother's name recorded.
Interred in the old churchyard on 11th January 1878.

Do you know if the James who died in 1867 had a wife named Margaret Sommerville? There is a burial for ADAM CAIRNS aged 30 in 1874 with these parents. Could also be related to names McEwen, Nelson and Hay.
Also a child JAMES CAIRNS who died 1875, parents Thomas Cairns & Annie Mitchell.

Also Agnes Cairns married to George McQueen?
Adam Cairns married to Janet Robb?
Andrew Cairns married to Helen Carr?
Ring any bells?
Here are the pictures, may have to continue on another post.








Title: Re: Headstone pictures CAMBUSNETHAN CHURCHYARD WISHAW
Post by: Lodger on Friday 17 February 17 21:14 GMT (UK)
2 more pictures

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Post by: Mariblog on Sunday 19 February 17 16:49 GMT (UK)
Thanks, Lodger, this is very helpful. It is actually what I remember seeing, and was mistaken about reference to the John Cairns, who died in 1876, on the stone.  Iím afraid I have no documentation on the other individuals you ask about. 
Title: Re: Headstone pictures CAMBUSNETHAN CHURCHYARD WISHAW
Post by: JPF on Saturday 01 April 17 22:24 BST (UK)
Hello Lodger

Could you please post photos of the following headstones:-

HUTTON & McMURTRIE
REID & GARDNER

Regards
JPF
Title: Re: Headstone pictures CAMBUSNETHAN CHURCHYARD WISHAW
Post by: Lodger on Sunday 02 April 17 08:18 BST (UK)
Hi JPF, welcome to Rootschat. If these are the correct families I will try to find more information in the burial records and will, weather permitting, try to obtain better photographs.
The Hutton stone is a large obelisk, there just seems to be the 2 interments, the Rev & his wife. She died in 1899.
The Reid & Gardner (John & Isabella) stone may be the one you want, there is another stone on the same plot also with Reid & Gardner (Robert & Euphemia), a third stone on that plot has the names Reid & Kitch. I only have the John & Isabella one photographed but, if you are sure that this is the family you are researching, I will go and have a look at the plot, there may be other stones there that have been broken since the inscriptions were recorded in 1983.

The Reid & Gardener inscription is -
"Erected by John Reid and Isabella Gardener his spouse in memory of their daughter Isabella who died 28th February 1813. John Reid died 2nd September 1854 aged 79 years. Isabella Gardener died 16th December 1821 aged 44 years. Their eldest son John Reid died 2nd January 1867 aged 68 years".

Title: Re: Headstone pictures CAMBUSNETHAN CHURCHYARD WISHAW
Post by: JPF on Sunday 02 April 17 09:22 BST (UK)
Hi Lodger

Thank you for the photos, & for offering to get better pics.  The REID / GARDNER stone was speculative, & turns out not to be of my family, so I won't need anything further on that one.

However, I would love an improved version of the Rev HUTTON stone. 

You probably know these cemeteries inside out: a couple of years ago I stumbled across an image of the John (Excelsior Iron & Steel Works) & Sarah WILLIAMS memorial on flicker.  And I thought it said it was from Cambusnethan Old Churchyard.  However, it doesn't feature on your list of headstones or, that of Kirkhill. 

I'm also trying to find a headstone for their son John (died 1932) & his wife Katherine (died 1922). They resided at Overdale House, Manse Road, Wishaw.

Have they been destroyed or, are they buried elsewhere?

Any help greatly appreciated.

Title: Re: Headstone pictures CAMBUSNETHAN CHURCHYARD WISHAW
Post by: Lodger on Sunday 02 April 17 14:32 BST (UK)
The reason you couldn't find John & Sarah Williams in Cambusnethan Old Churchyard is because they are not buried there. They are next door in the little Walled Burial Ground which was opened by a burial company in 1861. It would have been expensive to buy a plot there, it lies between the old churchyard and the municipal cemetery (which also dates from 1861).
John & Sarah owned plots 50 & 51 which are against the wall, so they would have been more expensive. The burial records have survived, here's the details for 50 & 51.

SARAH WILLIAMS, housewife, The Green, Wishaw. Aged 71 years, married.
Parents - Joseph Rice & Mary Stone.
interred in 50 on 1st August 1891.

ROBERT WILLIAMS, Ironmaster, The Green, Wishaw. Aged 47 years, unmarried.
parents - John Williams & Sarah Rice.
interred in 50, 26th October 1895.

JOHN WILLIAMS, Ironmaster, Wolverhampton. Aged 76 years, widower.
Parents - Robert Williams & Eleanor Williams.
Interred in 50, 18th February 1898.

MARY ANN WILLIAMS, daughter, England. Aged 19 years, unmarried.
Parents - - - - - Williams.
Interred in 51, 19th December 1870.

Title: Re: Headstone pictures CAMBUSNETHAN CHURCHYARD WISHAW
Post by: Lodger on Sunday 02 April 17 14:38 BST (UK)
Here are the Hutton & McMurtrie pictures.
I may have to make 2 posts.
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Post by: Lodger on Sunday 02 April 17 14:40 BST (UK)
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Post by: kall on Monday 03 April 17 11:07 BST (UK)
Hi
I am new to Roots Chat and wondered if you have any headstones for Pender. my great grandfather John died 1877, his first wife Jane and child William died in 1873 and his father William died before 1861.....can't seem to find out much about him
Thanks
Karen
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Post by: Lodger on Monday 03 April 17 12:37 BST (UK)
Hello Kallcoat and welcome to Rootschat.

The wife's maiden surname is really important to searching cemetery and other records but, I do think I have found your gt-grandfather and his family.
From the records of the Private Walled Burial Ground at Cambusnethan. (Situated between the old churchyard and the municipal cemetery).
I don't have a photograph of the headstone (if one ever existed) but here are the entries from the gravediggers Day Book, for plot 476 in the "Private".
All dates are of interment, so the death would have occurred a few days previously.

JEANIE PENDER, housewife, Cambusnethan, aged 20 years, married.
Parents - William Ross & Elizabeth Percival.
Interred in 476 on 8th December 1873.

WILLIAM PENDER, Cambusnethan, aged 2 months.
Parents - John Pender & Jeanie Ross.
476 on 1st January 1874.

JOHN PENDER, coal miner, Hamilton, aged 25 years, married.
Parents - William Pender & Elizabeth Dunbar.
476 on 7th December 1877.

What a very unfortunate family and December was a very unlucky month for them!
I wonder if John was involved in a mining accident? His name doesn't appear on the 1877 list on the Scottish Mining website.

Do you have a date of death for Elizabeth Dunbar? There is an Elizabeth Pender aged 71 years who died 1888, interred in the old churchyard in a family plot owned by a family named Allerdyce. Perhaps a married daughter?
Pender isn't a common name in these registers, no sign of William pre-1861.
It looks as if they were new to the parish, according to the 1851 census index William was born in Dumfriesshire, Elizabeth in Kilsyth and a son Alexander aged 13 years, also in Kilsyth.

If William did die before 1861 and is buried in Cambusnethan he will be in the old churchyard. Unfortunately, there doesn't seem to be a headstone which has survived and there are no written records for the churchyard prior to about 1875, apart from the monumental inscriptions.
Percival is a very unusual name in this area, there are records for children of Hugh Percival & Mary Steel and also for Hugh Hamilton & Marion Percival.

Hope this has helped a little?

Good luck with your research,

Lodger
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Post by: kall on Monday 03 April 17 12:55 BST (UK)
Hi Lodger
Yes that is the correct family. John had a brain bleed whilst on his way home from work and agree that they were an unlucky family. John had a sister Janet or Jessie who married an Allardice so yes that would be my Elisabeth.
Thankyou ever so much for that
Karen
Title: Re: Headstone pictures CAMBUSNETHAN CHURCHYARD WISHAW
Post by: JPF on Monday 03 April 17 14:06 BST (UK)
Hello again Lodger

Many thanks for the HUTTON, & WILLIAMS photos.  As well as the burial details & explanation. It is much appreciated.

JPF
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Post by: Lodger on Monday 03 April 17 16:12 BST (UK)
Hi Karen,

Here are the details from the Allardice plot, no Day Book exists for the period covering the interments, so no parents names. All Allardice family apart from Elizabeth but, it's always good to have some twigs on your branches.

Plot owner (In Victorian times) was A. Allardice.
In the South lair -
ALEXANDER ALLARDICE, aged 70 years. Interred on 26th January 1895.
JESSIE ALLARDICE, aged 79 years. 1st April 1932.
in the Centre lair -
ELIZABETH PENDER, aged 71 years. 19th October 1888.
JANE L. ALLARDICE, aged 13 months. 27th December 1892.
In the North lair -
ANN ALLARDICE, aged 70 years. 20th January 1895.
ANDREW ALLARDICE, aged 72 years. 7th April 1923.

There is a monumental inscription for this plot but I don't have a photograph of the stone, so it may not have survived from 1983 when the inscription was taken. I'll check it out.
The details are -
"Andrew Allardice died 5th April 1923 aged 72 years. His wife Jessie Pender died 30th March 1932 aged 79 years. Their son George Allardice, killed in Action 26th September 1916 aged 25 years".


There is one entry in the municipal cemetery (my records end at 1917).

ALEXANDER ALLARDICE, coal miner, Polmaise, Stirlingshire. Aged 40 years, married.
Parents - Andrew Allardice & Jessie Pinder. Interred in E532 on 23rd September 1912.
Title: Re: Headstone pictures CAMBUSNETHAN CHURCHYARD WISHAW
Post by: kall on Monday 03 April 17 17:03 BST (UK)
Hi Lodger
Thanks for that.....can fill in some blanks now.....keep going off on a tangent though. I know you couldn't find anything on William Pender....Elizabeth's husband.....that man is driving me nuts haha..
Will just have to keep searching....it took me ages to find John so hoping that I will eventually find his father
Do you look at any other graveyards or stick to Cambusnethan
Thanks again for your time
Karen
Title: Re: Headstone pictures CAMBUSNETHAN CHURCHYARD WISHAW
Post by: Lodger on Monday 03 April 17 17:33 BST (UK)
What other graveyards do you have in mind Karen?
I think William will be in Cambusnethan churchyard, possibly in Common Ground, that would explain why Elizabeth is in the Allardice plot. William may well be in that plot too, there's no way of knowing since no records exist for that time period. You see how many are in there since records commenced in the mid-1870s, at least 6 burials compared to 2 names on the stone.
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Post by: kall on Monday 03 April 17 17:54 BST (UK)
Didn't have any one in mind was just curious if you have covered any other..I have Hamilton family and Forrest family from Hamilton.
Title: Re: Headstone pictures CAMBUSNETHAN CHURCHYARD WISHAW
Post by: Lodger on Monday 03 April 17 19:26 BST (UK)
I have the MIs for Hamilton parish churchyard, also some baptism records for the 1st Relief Congregation Church.
Title: Re: Headstone pictures CAMBUSNETHAN CHURCHYARD WISHAW
Post by: kall on Monday 03 April 17 19:42 BST (UK)
I am looking for Abraham Hamilton born 1820 married to Margaret Forrest born 1819. My direct ancestor who I am struggling to find a record of her birth is Margaret Forest Hamilton born either 1852 or 1853 in Hamilton.  I know that she moved to America to live with her daughter Jeanie. Margaret was married to the earlier mentioned John Pender.....she remarried the year after John died to a chap called Lawrence Kemp
Thanks again
Karen
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Post by: Lodger on Monday 03 April 17 23:27 BST (UK)
There isn't anything in the churchyard of Hamilton MIs for this family, or in the baptism records for the 1st Relief church, sorry.
According to the 1851 census index, Abraham was aged 31 and born in Hamilton, Margaret was also aged 31 and born in Blantyre parish. Their 3 children, Helen aged 4, Ann aged 2 and Thomas aged 4 months were all born in Hamilton. If Abraham & Margaret died in Scotland after 31st December 1854 there parents names, if known to the informant, will be on their death certificates.

Lodger
Title: Re: Headstone pictures CAMBUSNETHAN CHURCHYARD WISHAW
Post by: kall on Monday 03 April 17 23:56 BST (UK)
Thanks Lodger
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Post by: shaun on Wednesday 26 April 17 17:37 BST (UK)
Hi Lodger,

Would it be possible to request a look at the Brownlee & Gardener headstone from your list please? If you still have them at hand please let me know.

thankyou
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Post by: Lodger on Wednesday 26 April 17 23:07 BST (UK)
Hi Shaun, there are 2 stones together on one plot, the pictures are not too good but if you are sure this is the family you are looking for I can go back and take a few more showing the surrounding area.
The transcriptions are - "Erected by James Brounlee and Mary Gardener in memory of their children James, Jane and Margaret who died in the month of October 1811. Betty Brounlee their daughter died 11th November 1821 aged 16 years. Margaret Brounlee their daughter died 15th May 1822 aged 4 years".

"James Brounlee son of James Brounlee and Mary Gardener died 26th September 1822 aged 8 years. Grizel Brounlee their daughter died 1st April 1824 aged 3 years. Mary Gardener died 10th February 1828 aged 47 years. Their daughter Janet died 6th December 1829 aged 17 years. Alexander Brounlee died 1st February 1835 aged 16 months. Alexander Brounlee died 19th July 1842 aged 3 years. James Brounlee died 26th March 1843 aged 73 years".

According to the records there are at least another seven adults and one child in this plot, the last entry is for David Brownlie aged 68 years, interred on 6th December 1948.

I wonder if this is the Brownlie family who farmed at Headlesscross?



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Post by: shaun on Thursday 27 April 17 00:19 BST (UK)
Wow thankyou so much for your quick response Lodger. No please dont go out of your way for me as I am not 100% sure these are the right people for my family.

Basically my great great grandfather called James Gardener lived in Jeanfield house in Glasgow as a young child with his father Andrew Gardener/Gardiner. When the land was sold to become a cemetary I believe that Andrew Gardiner moved to hos wifes fathers farm in cambusnethan, called foulsykes farm. His wife was originally a ford. And it was here in 1951 that my family, Andrew Gardiner and his son James Gardiner lived on Foulsykes farm along with a clad Brownlee and another Brownlee whose name i cant remember.

So it was just a hunch that these two names might have cross over at some point whilst living there.

I dont think it was long until Andrew moved back to Glasgow
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Post by: AndyMcG on Monday 04 September 17 23:25 BST (UK)
Hi Lodger,

I'd be grateful if you could post a pic of the CAIRNS, POLLOCK, McCREADIE & McKENDRICK headstone.

Jane McKendrick was one of seven illegitimate children that her mother, Helen McKendrick had in Wishaw between 1855 and 1871. I'm on the look out for any information I can find that might indicate who the father was.

I see you've posted information from other sources her, so I'd be very interested in anything you have on Helen McKendrick b.1839 d.1893 and Jemima McKendrick b. 1869.

Thanks for all your hard work on this thread,
Andy
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Post by: duckman on Thursday 26 October 17 21:40 BST (UK)
Re child James Cairns b 19/9/1874, d 13/12/1875 Wishaw.
Parents - Thomas Sommerville Cairns b 21/05/1851, died 3/9/1940 Dunedin, New Zealand.
Annie Mitchell b 7/2/1853, died 17/11/1911 Dunedin, New Zealand.
Married 31/12/1873 Wishaw.
findagrave.com  154612938
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Post by: Margeegee on Saturday 11 November 17 13:46 GMT (UK)
Hello,This is the first time I have used this site, so please forgive me if I haven't got it right
I am from Perth Western Australia.
Will be in Scotland next May with family doing research.
My Greatgrandfather Gavin Cullen was buried in the Cambusnethan churchyard, does anyone have a photo of the grave stone
Thanks
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Post by: Skoosh on Wednesday 15 November 17 22:37 GMT (UK)
@ Lodger,  Dr Mark Jardine is seeking the grave of Covenenter Arthur Inglis who is buried at Old Cambusnethan for his website,  "Jardine's Book of Martyrs"  the monument was there in 1960 but may have been vandalised. He can be contacted  here,             https://@drmarkjardine       or at

jardinesbookofmartyrs@gmail.com

Skoosh.
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Post by: Forfarian on Friday 29 December 17 09:16 GMT (UK)
Lodger, do you happen to know if any of the Waddells from Leadloch were buried in Cambusnethan? The ones definitely descended from the Waddells of Holehouseburn were mostly buried in Whitburn, but Leadloch is just inside C'nethan so I wonder if some might have found their way to that kirkyard?
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Post by: kall on Thursday 24 May 18 16:28 BST (UK)
Hi Lodger
I previously asked you about Abraham Hamilton and you couldnít find anything in Hamilton MIís.....does that cover Bent Cemetery? He died in 1907 and I think is buried in Bent Cemetery
Many thanks
Karen
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Post by: Lodger on Tuesday 19 June 18 13:02 BST (UK)
Hi Karen, the Hamilton MI's only cover the churchyard. There are very good burial records for the Bent, you could try contacting South Lanarkshire Council Cemeteries Office, they are very helpful there.
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Post by: kall on Tuesday 19 June 18 13:04 BST (UK)
Thanks Lodger
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Post by: sancti on Tuesday 19 June 18 17:48 BST (UK)
Hi Lodger
I previously asked you about Abraham Hamilton and you couldnít find anything in Hamilton MIís.....does that cover Bent Cemetery? He died in 1907 and I think is buried in Bent Cemetery
Many thanks
Karen

The death in 1907 was in Kelvin.

Have you contacted Glasgow City Council?
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Post by: sancti on Thursday 21 June 18 18:51 BST (UK)
Hi Lodger
I previously asked you about Abraham Hamilton and you couldnít find anything in Hamilton MIís.....does that cover Bent Cemetery? He died in 1907 and I think is buried in Bent Cemetery
Many thanks
Karen

Abraham Hamilton is buried in Bent Cemetery, Hamilton

He was buried 11 May 1907 from 238 North Woodside Road, Glasgow age recorded as 88 years
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Post by: kall on Thursday 21 June 18 19:28 BST (UK)
Hi Sancti
I have the death certs for Abraham and Margaret but was kind of hoping for a pic of the headstone...not even sure that there is one
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Post by: sancti on Thursday 21 June 18 19:37 BST (UK)
It is a very large cemetery with quite a few sections. Try South Lanarkshire Council for a lair number and I will check the lair plan I have
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Post by: kall on Thursday 21 June 18 19:39 BST (UK)
Thanks Sancti
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Post by: lud on Thursday 05 July 18 18:31 BST (UK)
Kall,
www.findagrave.com check Bent Cemetery Scotland ,1265 headstones to view, nothing for Abraham Hamilton, however,but 29 other Hamiltons .
Cheers
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Post by: kall on Thursday 05 July 18 18:34 BST (UK)
Thanks lud