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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Cumberland => Topic started by: Oletta on Tuesday 05 July 11 16:43 BST (UK)
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I am looking for information on three children, the first been Kate Noddle born June 1902 she is the daughter of Esther Noddle, she is on the 1911 census living with her Grandma (Isabella) in Calbeck but then disappears.
The second child is Florence Noddle I think she is the daughter of Margaret Jane Noddle, all that I know about Florence is she was born 1897, Wigton, area. Margaret Jane and Isabella Noddle are sisters.
And finally, Isabella Twentyman Noddle born 1902 Longtown, Cumberland and Baptised in Longtown, her mother is Margaret Jane Noddle (singlewomen).
Would be very grateful for any help
Regards
Oletta
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Have you any idea what became of their mothers? I can't see them in 1911.
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Looking at freebmd gives a suprising number of Noddles. There is a possible marriage for an Isabella M T Noddle which might be worth looking at.
Andrea
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Hello Geoff-E and Sillgen
Thank you both for a reply. I think these Noddles or Noddle as they sometimes put their surnames, are a complete mystery!
Esther Noddle married John Brown minto in 1904 but she has not taken Kate with her, but left her with Grandma. And looks like Esther has started a new life!
Margaret Jane Noddle I think may have worked for Thomas Twentyman as a maid and then started living with him. I don't think they married! And somewhere through their lives they changed their name from Twentyman to Jackson, have no idea why but would be interested to find out. so not sure if they went under Noddle, Twentyman or Jackson.
Margaret Jane Noddle had 13 children again do not know who where their fathers.
William Noddle born 1896,Florence Noddle born 1897 (might have been adopted), Alfred Noddle(adopted by Benjamin Todhunter) born 1898 silloth, John born 1901, Isabella Twentyman Noddle born 1902 Longtown, Nellie born 1904 Calbeck, she was adopted because on the 1911 census she is living at Abbeyholme, Wigton, living with the Steele family. Then Nellie married Joseph Bailey, Cockermouth 1926, then there was Mary born 1906, Edward born 1907, Albert born 1908, Emma born 1910 and finally Hilda born 1912.
Regards
Oletta
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Hi
Do you have baptism register entries for any of these?
This might shed some light. Is the info from a census?
Best wishes
Emms :)
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Hi
I only have four baptisms so far:-
1. John William Noddle parents William and Isabella Noddle, Calbeck - 7 November 1886
2. Kate Noddle parent Ester Noddle, Single Women, Calbeck - 19 April 1903
3. William Noddle parent Margaret Noddle, Single Women, Calbeck - 9 February 1896
4. Nellie Noddle, parent Margaret Noddle, Single Women, Calbeck - 10 October 1904
Regards
oletta
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I forgot to mention that I had a baptism for Isabella Twentyman Noddle on the 14 July 1902 - Longtown, Cumberland - Mother been Margaret Jane Noddle - Singlewoman.
I have also found two births on the Free BDM for a Martin Noddle both June 1900 but references different they are :-
10b 603 and the other 10b 605 both under Wigton. Could these be two different people?
Would be grateful for any help
Regards
Oletta
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I have also found two births on the Free BDM for a Martin Noddle both June 1900 but references different they are :-
10b 603 and the other 10b 605 both under Wigton. Could these be two different people?
No.
You can look at the index page for yourself - just click on the pair of glasses on the right.
There is only one entry - Page 605 :)
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Hi,
I have a number of certificates and information relating to Florence Noddle ,my wifes grandmother who married Frederick Batty in 1915 in Doncaster were she lived until her death in 1984.
Regards
Topkat
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A few years ago I was delivering a course on family history and one of the ladies had an ancestor called Noddle. I am sure she said that the family was originally German and came over to England in the 19th Century to work in the mines/quarries. Her particular ancestor, she thought, worked for the Threlkeld Granite Company, later called Keswick Granite Co. She believed that they went back to Germany around the time of the First World War. They had lived in the Threlkeld area. These Germans are not to be confused with the ones that came over here 300 years earlier at the behest of Elizabeth I.
I apologise in advance if any of the info is erroneous but it was quite a long time ago and I do not have the written records now.
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Hello Clearly
Thank you for your e-mail which is of very good reading. It seems that the Noddles in my family came from Germany too and they worked in the brewery in Calbeck. Where the brewery was in Calbeck I have no idea but would be good to find out where or even a photograph would be good? I have also been told by relatives that they had a beer for the dinners which caused many health issues.
It is a shame that you no longer have written records, they would been good reading!
Thank you once again
Bests wishes
Oletta
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I think this was the brewery http://tinyurl.com/buvgefp
See the 1863 1:2500 map here http://www.old-maps.co.uk/maps.html?coords=332300,539770
:)
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Hello Geoff-E
Thank you for your quick response. The brewery looks a lovely old building, I would have thought it would have been pretty cold to work in those days.
Thanks again
Oletta
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I forgot to mention that there was also Noddles working in the old bobbin mill in Calbeck.
Regards
Oletta
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Hi Oletta ,
Having difficulty in replying to your message .
Topkat
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Hi Oletta ,
Having difficulty in replying to your message .
Topkat
You should be OK now (after making a second post) ... if you can see little green scrolls on the left, you can send a PM. If not, make a third post and you will certainly be able to. :)
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Hi Oletta
Did you get anywhere with your searches? My grandmother was Nelly Noddle, daughter of Margaret Jane Noddle. Nelly was told that her mother died of TB which was why she was put into care. There are two Margaret Jane Noddle - both born to two brothers and i don't think this helps. I was told MJ ran off with Thomas Twentyman and they had more children - but i have never been able to find out if this was actually my great grandmother or her cousin.
Would be wonderful to get to the bottom of this
I'd never managed to find out where the Noddle family came from so interesting to see possibly from Germany.
I've been looking into my family tree for about 15 years - on and mostly off. I used to go to the records center in Angel - but the last many years have been online.
Caroline
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As the Noddles seem to be of German origin, does anyone know if any members of the family were interned at the start of the First World War?
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A rare name in Cumberland (in censuses). More common in Westmorland, possibly immigrants from the Sedbergh area of Yorks.
Earlier censuses show them around Bradford/Skipton areas, farmers etc, not "immigrant trades".
Perhaps there will be foreigners if you go back far enough but probably not after 1800.
:)
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Some Noddles who worked in the Threlkeld area were German in origin. They came to work the mines and quarries in the area in the late 19C. I have this information from a lady who did the original research but after what Geoff has said, I am just wondering if in fact they were English and went to Germany where some of the family may have married local people.
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Hello Caroline
It's interesting what you have told me about Margaret Jane Noddle running away with Thomas Twentyman. someone else had told me the same story but so far have not got to the bottom of this story!! But I won't give up. These Noddles have to be somewhere!!!
The problem that WE have is that you seem to find a person in the "Noddle Family" and then they usually disappear.
Will be in touch with you when I find any information.
Best wishes
Oletta
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Hello Clearly and Geoff-E
Thank you both for your information. Yes, they did come from the Westmorland area, on the census there seem to be quiet a few "Noddles" in that area.
That would be very interesting if we could find whereabouts they came from in Germany, and why they came over? I would have thought it may have something to do with the 1st World War. But i will try and find out.
Thank you again
Best wishes
Oletta
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Hi Caroline,
I've just recently started to trace my fathers family history. I think we may share the same Grandmother, Nelly Noddle. I know very little about my dads family. I know Nelly was born a noddle and was adopted, she married a joseph? bailey, he died I think, then she met a man called William Jackson and then married a John Hodgson. I have her death certificate, she past away in 1980. I never knew her. Does this sound like your Grandmother? My dad is Raymond Bailey, he was the youngest son.
Alison.
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Hi Alison
Does your father's birth certificate give his mother's maiden name as Steele and was he born in Whitehaven! I think we are talking about the same Nelly but I don't know of this person called Jackson. I know Nelly left Joseph and all the children when my mum, Sylvia (the eldest) was around 12 years old. All the children were put into care. Nelly was put into care as a baby and adopted by a family called Steele. She was told her mother, Margarete Jane Noddle, had died of TB. However, I have been told by someone else researching the Noddle family that she ran off with her employer, a Thomas Twentyman. I've also been told they used the name Jackson.
Nelly did marry John Hodgson. He was lovely. I never knew Joseph as he died just before I was born in 1957. I've only ever know John and knew that he was not my real grandfather.
I believe my mum has mentioned a brother called Raymond and Sister called Isabelle.. I think. I've never met them. What does your father know of his family's history?
Thank you for contacting me. Anything you can find re the Bailey family tree would be useful. I've never got further than my great grandfather, Robert Bailey.
Thanks again
Caroline
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Alison, I will speak with my mum re Raymond. Tell her I may be in contact with a cousin I dint know I had ;)
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Alison, I will speak with my mum re Raymond. Tell her I may be in contact with a cousin I dint know I had ;)
Yes it's definitely the same Nelly!!! 😀 My dads birth certificate says her maiden is Steele but nellys death certificate says her maiden name was Noddle. Yes there is a sister called Isobel and dad was born in Whitehaven. Now lives in Devon. Ohh this is exciting!!! I will message you later, my little boy has just woken up and I don't get any peace with him lol.
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Hi Alison.
I will forewarn you that the Noddle / Bailey family tree search may not turn out information that you or your dad wish to know... Take for example the lie that our great grandmother had died when she had actually run off with her employer and had put 'our' grandmother in to care.. And previous babies too. My mum still can't accept this information.
I spoke with my mum about Raymond, your father. She says he was at Nelly's funeral..as was I. But I don't remember him.
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Hi Alison.
I will forewarn you that the Noddle / Bailey family tree search may not turn out information that you or your dad wish to know... Take for example the lie that our great grandmother had died when she had actually run off with her employer and had put 'our' grandmother in to care.. And previous babies too. My mum still can't accept this information.
Hi Caroline,
I did send you a message, not sure if you got it, haven't used this site before so don't really know what I'm doing.
I've always known dads family would be complicated but I've grown up knowing nothing about his side and any info would be great no matter how bad. It would be nice to know my roots.
Dad said he drove your mum to the funeral but he doesn't remember you.
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Hi Caroline,
I did send you a message, not sure if you got it, haven't used this site before so don't really know what I'm doing.
I've always known dads family would be complicated but I've grown up knowing nothing about his side and any info would be great no matter how bad. It would be nice to know my roots.
Dad said he drove your mum to the funeral but he doesn't remember you.
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I am looking for information on three children, the first been Kate Noddle born June 1902 she is the daughter of Esther Noddle, she is on the 1911 census living with her Grandma (Isabella) in Calbeck but then disappears.
The second child is Florence Noddle I think she is the daughter of Margaret Jane Noddle, all that I know about Florence is she was born 1897, Wigton, area. Margaret Jane and Esther Noddle are sisters.
And finally, Isabella Twentyman Noddle born 1902 Longtown, Cumberland and Baptised in Longtown, her mother is Margaret Jane Noddle (singlewomen).
Would be very grateful for any help
Regards
Oletta
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I don't even remember the funeral. I remember being at her house after and all her things were being divided between family. I hated that...
I know very little about Joseph Bailey. But I do know that Nelly had an affair and was pregnant when she left Joseph and the children. My mum says she lived with someone by the name of Jackson - he had a farm. But he died, she then moved to Whitehaven where she met John. My mum says he was the best of them. Accept Joseph. My mum had Joseph and two of her youngest signings live with her when she was fairly newly married to my dad. I think that your dad is her half brother, he was only about 4 when she got married.
Poor Nelly had a bad start in life. But I guess the time her mother was young and went into service as a servant, no contraception etc... They had little choice but to put their babies into care. Her adopted parent was a single lady, a school mistress. She did everything for Nelly... Nelly never had money of her own, even when she started working as a servent herself. Her mother got her wages and bought everything Nelly would need.
I have a picture of her with my mum, me and my daughter the Christmas before she died. Also have a pic of her at my wedding. Maybe I could email them to you if you like?
I could also email you a screen shot of what I have of her family tree..
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Hello Caroline and Alison
I'm pleased at last we are a little progress with the Noddle Family, they are very hard to find. My Great, Great Grandma was Sarah Ann Noddle who married Joseph Carr. Sarah Ann Noddle was the Daughter of Isabella Hewer and William Noddle and Margaret Jane Noddle's Sister
Regards
Oletta
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Hi Caroline,
I wrote this earlier but then it dissapeared so not sure if it posted. I have sent you a message with my email address.
Yes, photos and family tree would be great, thank you. Do you have any photos of the brothers and sisters and Joseph Bailey?
It's good to hear some of my half aunties are still alive and they keep in contact. Do you know anything about the others and was Isabel Joseph's or Willian's daughter?
Does your mum still live in Cumbria?
I've tried searching for William Jackson but not knowing the exact dates makes it difficult and so far I've found nothing. I think he was born in 1889 and died around 1953 ish. He is buried at st Bridget's church Moresby. He had a son called William Jackson and possibly a daughter.
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Hi I have a twentyman Jackson in my tree.