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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Donegal => Topic started by: Paddles on Thursday 07 July 11 11:53 BST (UK)
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Known data so far,
Hugh was born 1808/9 in Kilmacrennan, Letterkenny. He enlisted into the British Army at age 17 years on 21 May 1825 at Strabane in the County of Tyrone. His Service Number was 465, and he was a Private in the 38th Regiment of Foot. He was medically discharged from the Army on 13 Nov 1832, and admitted as an out-pensioner to the Royal Hospital Chelsea on 14 Nov 1832. Hugh was literate because he signed his discharge papers very neatly in his own hand. Hugh worked as a labourer before his enlistment.
Between 14 Nov 1832 and 25 Dec 1847 Hugh was married to a Mary ?? and they had four children: Mary Josephine 1840, Patrick 1843, Ellen 1843 and Sarah 1845. Wife Mary's maiden name varies with the document viewed at the time, eg her son Edward born in NZ her maiden name is listed as Halforte while on his death certificate in Queensland, Australia her maiden name is listed as Hilferty. Maiden names for Mary so far are: Alford, Heffary,Halforte, Hilferty, Helferty and Hellforthy.
On 25 Dec 1847 this party departed Carrickfergus, Belfast on the ship ANN, bound for Auckland, NZ. Hugh had enlisted for duty as a NZ Fencible. Hugh died on 28 Feb 1880 at Hawera, Taranaki, NZ.
I have tried to research Hugh and Mary, but, because of the sheer number of Dougherty's and my lack of local knowledge with respect to the townlands/church parish combinations I am getting no where fast.
I am trying to find out more about Hugh and Mary and their time in Ireland like;
a. Hugh's birth date and his parents,
b. Mary' maiden name,
c. when and where they were married, and
d. where they lived before they embarked on the ship Ann.
Any assistance will be appreciated.
Regards
Greg D.
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Do you know what religious denomination your Dougherty/Doherty family were ?
The RC baptism and marriage records for the parish of Killmacrenan only go back to 1862... so too late for Hugh's baptism or marriage if it was in the area.
Do you know where the children were born ?
see :
Introduction to Irish Records (http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,442233.0.html)
My Ancestor came from Ireland - where do I start? (http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,498742.0.html)
Shane
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Would also add that Doherty (and it's variations) is supposed to be the most common surname in Donegal.
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Thanks for both those sites Shane. Now I have a starting point that rather than bumbling round like I have been. Will look at the sites in the morning. Unfortunately, the answer to your question regarding the birthplaces is no, at the moment.
Yes Aghadowey, that has been part of my challenge, and one of the main reasons for my post. Thank you also.
Regards
Greg D.
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http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~donegal/kilmacproj.htm
Might be worth registering with this page.
PM
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Did you get this information from the national archives kew.
http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
Ref: W097/763/67
Http://Pearlspad.net.nz
ships to Auckland does not mention Hugh wife or children on the list
http://www.donegallibrary.ie
you might have to type the address your selve hope I have type them right
If Hugh was a catholic it would mean lots of problems for his family
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yes mary and children list on ship Ann 1847
http//freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~shipstonz/royal_nz_fencibles.html
you might have to type address yoursleve.
or if you use google or ask jeeves type in box - royal new zealand fencibles
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http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~shipstonz/royal_nz_fencibles.html
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Replies to Magic and Rathmore.
Magic,
Have checked your suggested site and found it to be very interesting, although it it has not helped me with anything new, so far, but, it has assisted me in cleaning up my existing data. The more I read it I pick up more tips and hints, and then go back over my data. thanks for your help.
Rathmore,
Thank you for your interest. I have a copy of that WO record. I have never seen the site for NZ ships in your original post, but I have managed to illicit the names of Hugh's family members from other sources though.
The Donegal Library site is very interesting. Spent my time looking at the site instead of replying to your original message, sorry.
Will have to check out those sites in your next two posts.
Regards
Greg D.
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its possible the family were flax seed growers for the linen industry
http://Freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~donegal/flaxlist1.htm
11 Dougherty list on this list at Kilmacrenan (spelt with one l)
most of the townlands were flax seed growers, do you know his fathers first name?
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Rathmore,
Sorry about the extra (l), you should be grateful now days with getting something extra for free: doesn't happen too often!
On a serious note now, Hugh's fathers name, according to his NZ death certificate was Peter, and his mother's name was Margaret McTaigue. Have looked at the flax growers site in the past when I had far less detailed information on Hugh.
I will get into the flax growers site id detail in a day or two. In the meantime I am corresponding with someone in NZ comparing our data on Hugh and Mary. I am hoping some more details may come to light from this 'comparing of notes exercise'.
Thanks again Rathmore for you continued interest.
Regards
Greg D.
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on the flax seed list different spelling of McTaigue, list as McTague and McTeague at Kilmacrennan most of the townlands were run by people that were related to one and other.
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Rathmore,
Thanks for those tips; on the different spellings of the surname name, and the bit about the townland administration. I had better get over there to Ireland and find out some more of these tips and hints while I still have the means to do it before Mistress Gillard implements the carbon tax here.
Regards
Greg D.
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Rathmore,
I have viewed the Flaxseed site as you suggested. While there is no Peter listed for any spelling of 'Dougherty', and as i do not know Margaret McTaigue's father's christian name i can go no further on that line either. This site is only any value if they were flax growers. Had to check it though. Thanks anyway.
If these families had any other profession, occupation or calling then they will not be listed on this site; a reasonable deduction. What was the town situation like in Ireland during the late 1700's early 1800's? Did they have shops and trading as we know them now, or was every family a subsistence farmers and working land for a landlord? (Irish history taught here Australia consisted only of the potato famine, and that most of our forefathers came from there after the American War of Independence prevented good old Mother England dumping her so called 'undesirables' there, so we got them instead.) I think that this should be my next avenue for research, if it is possible.
Regards
Greg D.
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Peter Dougherty listed national archives 89th Foot Regiment from Letterkenny
discharged age 50. Ref: No W0121/134/76
http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
there was a police barracks at Kilmacrennan it might have been an army barracks before that.
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Rathmore,
While I thought that I was 'looking further outward' than farming in the local are, I was still remaining in the area, if you understand. Not being familiar with the local area is making it this task more difficult, let alone what constituted the 'town' in those days did not help either.
When I saw your latest reply, I was just astounded. Just could not believe what my eyes were reading. My first impressions are, like father like son and this is a good result. I will now research this information and get back. I most certainly was not expecting this, as My thinking was that as Hugh enlisted in Tyrone he fled the local area to escape for some reason, similar to joining the French Foreign Legion.
Thank you, off to London now. (Nothing like 'computer based international traveling'.)
Greg D.
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Hello Greg
My husband is also descended from Hugh and Mary, through their daughter Mary. I hope you are still on this forum and that you have made some progress. Are you descended from Edward? I did not know he went to Queensland. I hope we can share some information.
Cheers
Lyn B
Western Australia