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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Sussex => Topic started by: rosas84 on Saturday 09 July 11 11:52 BST (UK)
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Hi
I am researching my Haffenden ancestors, who seem to like living in Heathfield in Sussex. Having spent several hours last night going through the census' for Heathfield and noting down the Haffendens there seem to be loads an loads of them.
Ive looked for a specific topic for Haffendens, but only find passing mention of them in other topics...surely I can't be the only one who's trying to trace and figure out their seemingly huge family ;D
I looking forward (hopefully) to hearing from other Heathfield Haffenden Hunters...
Amy :)
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Look on Genes Reunited for well over 300 entries for those with Heathfield Haffendens in their ancestry, so there are lots of people interested.
Who is it that is your prime focus and when were they born? Roy G
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Hi Roy,
Thanks for the tip, I'll look into to Genes Reunited.
I'm particularly interested in the family of George Haffenden b.1850 (abt) in Heathfield, who married Sarah Ann Sharwood in 1883. I know George had a sister called Ruth who married a Thomas Bird.
George's son John Haffenden b. 1879 in Eastbourne, was my great grandfather, and my grandmother know relatively little about his family so I'm trying to find out as much as I can tell her about her father and his family.
Amy :)
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Ruth's marriage (Eastbourne 1877) is indexed on FreeBMD as Evenden not Haffenden.
A copy of that certificate should give you Ruth's and therefore George's father and hopefully separate him from the other George Haffenden who was born in the Heathfield district about the same time. The 1881 census has her as a 23 year old Ironer living in Leslie Street Eastbourne. With that information you should be able to find her with George on the various earlier censuses and identify his other siblings.
I could not find a John Haffenden of Eastbourne born anywhere near 1879 on the 1881 census or on FreeBMD, so wonder if his mother and George were just living as partners?
Roy G
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Hi Roy,
I am going to go trough my research again to make sure, I am currently of the opinion that George Evenden and Haffenden are the same person, but this does not mean I am right (as I have learnt over the years) :).
Whilst on some occasions the family went by Evenden, they also appear on census records as Haffenden, Haxenden etc.
I know my great grandfather used several surnames over his lifetime but he did consistently use Haffenden and having found some military records he used Haffenden and named his father as George.
I have found George and his sister Ruth as both Evenden's and Haffendens on different census'. So either I am very unlucky and there are two sets of siblings both named Ruth and George Haffenden and Evenden or the spelling of the names has varied over the years.
I am going to double check as I'd hate to lead astray everybody who has been kind enough to reply to my posts and try to help me. Plus I need to make sure I keep on the straight and narrow.
Thanks
Amy
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Hi Amy :)
On the 1881 i found a John,aged 1 & brother Alfred Evenden with their Auntie & Uncle Thomas & Ruth Bird in Eastbourne.John born in Eastbourne.
Still looking for George.
My Husband has 2 lines like yours using 2 surnames,so & so`s
Hope this helps
omega
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Hi Omega,
This line are 'doing my head in' but I am determined to try and make sense of it all. They all just seem to chop and change their surnames as they feel like it ;D.
For George so far I have found Evenden, Haffenden, Havenden, Haxenden variations of his surname.
For John on his birth cert his name is John Evenden Sherwood but over the years he has gone by Sherwood, Shurdwood, Sherewood, Haffenden, Evenden, and then just to confuse anyone else he took on my great grandmothers married name (she was widowed during WW1) and became known as a Townsend.
Thanks for your help Omega, its all appreciated!
Amy
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Yes it is a pain when rellies chop and change their surnames.
I found the birth cert you have (J E Sherwood, Eastbourne, Sept quarter 1879) but so far, Omega's 1881 census entry has eluded me.
I found George's sister Ruth and Thomas Bird in Leslie Street, Eastbourne and they only had their daughter Emily with them.
I did however find an unmarried George (as Haxenden) with an unmarried Sarah A Sherwood living at 20 Nonparel Cot Eastbourne. They seemed to have a number of other children, so it would need an investigation to see if they were all theirs or from Sarah's previous relationship.
George HAXENDEN 28 Heathfield, Surrey, England Brickmaker
Sarah A. SHEREWOOD 28 Brighton, Surrey, England
Caroline S. SHEREWOOD Daur 7 Willingdon, Sussex
George H. SHEREWOOD Son 5 Willingdon, Sussex
William H. SHEREWOOD Son 3 Willingdon, Sussex
John H. SHEREWOOD Son 1 Eastbourne, Sussex
If FreeBMD is anything to go by, one birthplace is a bit suspect too.
Caroline and John Sherwood were born in the Eastbourne area, George Havenden Sharwood too. William however, may have had his birth registered in Ticehurst
I have been unable to locate the above family on the 1891 census to see if George remarried or entered into another partnership.
Sarah SHARWOOD may be less of problem for you for if it is her, her birth appears in Brighton on FreeBMD as 1855. The 1861 census index has an entry for her in Brighton St Peter but there is no mention of her on the 1871 census. The IGI (1845-1855) also has an unusual number of base born Sharwood births in Brighton, suggesting early partnerships rather than marriages may have been more acceptable in the Sharwood family.
(note the surname could also appear as Shearwood)
Roy G
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Hello Amy
Found some info for you.
Baptised at Eastbourne Christchurch
Children of George & Sarah Ann
Caroline Evenden Sherwood
11 Apr 1883,AGED 11
William Evenden Sherwood
11 Apr 1883, AGED 7
James Evenden
22 Apr 1885
Dad labourer
Abode 20,Nonparrell
Notes,Private.MOTHER died 6 Apr :(
Burials
Eastbourne St Marys
Sarah Evenden
9 Apr 1885,Aged 34
James,4 WEEKS,4 May 1885 :(
OH,has ANOTHER line, Greatgrandmother changed her name,Greatgrandparents never married.Greatgrandmother confessed to a daughter her real name.I spend a small fortune on Certs,but if need must !!!!!!!!!!!!! SO on Grandfathers Birth Cert his Mum gave a Fictious Name!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!.
Hope all this will help you & your Nan with sorting out her Family.
Kind Regards
omega
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Re Omega's great find
Presumablythe Birth of James Evenden was only REGISTERED 22 Apr 1885, Dad labourer, (Abode 20, Nonparrell) for his MOTHER Sarah Evenden must have died in childbirth on 6 Apr, to be buried Eastbourne St Marys on 9 Apr 1885. Her death was regrettably followed by her infant son James, aged 4 WEEKS, on 4 May 1885
Roy G
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Hello Roy :)
Info from SFHG.
OH has some VERY Very Complicated family ie The Eatons!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Learnt a lot from them as well other lines. ToThink the unthinkable
omega
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In endevouring to find out what happened to the baptism of their son George, I made another discovery. The couple had their first legitimate son, Harry Moses Evenden, baptised 8th Sept 1883, but he too died soon after birth.
As for George born c1875, he should also have been baptised on the same date as his earlier born siblings, which presumably followed his parents' eventual marriage. But was he overlooked or had he also died by then, and if dead, under what surname was that death registered? Roy G
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My mistake,1881,sorry. ::)
It was the 1891 census the boys were with there Auntie & Uncle
omega
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This is very exciting, although I admit I am also confused.
First of, its great that you've found William, I couldn't find his birth cert but knew he existed from speaking with Nan, and finding his WW1 enlistment papers.
Its interesting that only William and Caroline were baptised, I wonder why George, John and Alfred weren't?
I have the birth certificates for Caroline, John and one other (name eludes me at present) but they are all named ..... Evenden. But father is not noted, could it be telling that the children are still named after their father's family?
Sarah Ann did die in or after child birth, she was in labour for 4 days! I didnt know that the child survived, even if only for 4 weeks. It sounds like they had a sad couple of years after marrying.
The Sharwoods seem to be an 'interesting' family, having spoken to another rootschat member who is also researching the same family, it seems that they were not particularly esteemed within his family and there was also apparently a murder. :o
Im confused about the Lying about the surname thing, could you explain again please. I'm probably just being a bit dim but im lost with who is who ;D.
Thanks for all your help.
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Hi Amy
With regards to Lying.I was trying to explain,not very well ,that some of our Ancestors,for whatever reason changed their names,ages or birth place.
One of my Husbands Greatgrandmothers,was who we thought was Mary Ann Bishop (maiden name )BUT after a few years of searching & getting help from another Forum,it was discoved her name was Charity Campbell (maiden name ) All finally proved with Certs.Now my head is spinning :).
Another Greatgrandmother had a daughter before she married and gave the daughters second christian name the surname of the chap she married a few years later.
Hope this makes sense.
omega
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Hi Amy
Yes we do seem to have thrown rather a lot at you all at once, so you will need time to take it all in, but bouncing thoughts, ideas and findings off each other is often the way it all works out.
Now here is a speculative idea (not fact)
Omega finding John and an Alfred with the Birds in 1891 suggests that the family may have got too large for George to manage on his own, so the Birds took some of the children off his hands. That may also help explain the missing baptisms, for it could be that Sarah's health was so bad, the children were split up several years before her demise, and only those she and George kept got baptised.
(To Omega: How old was Alfred in 1891 so we can try and find his birth?)
Roy G
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Alfred was 9
omega
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From FreeBMD: Evenden Alfred, born Sept quarter 1881, Eastbourne, GRO Ref 2b 66
Now forgive me for siding with Sarah, but it does seem that the constant reproduction of children suggests George Haffenden/Evenden the bricklayer, didn't give a monkeys about the weakening status of his partner!!! Roy G
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Trying to sort through the information, a fair amount to process... but better more than none! ;D
OH,has ANOTHER line, Greatgrandmother changed her name,Greatgrandparents never married.Greatgrandmother confessed to a daughter her real name.I spend a small fortune on Certs,but if need must !!!!!!!!!!!!! SO on Grandfathers Birth Cert his Mum gave a Fictious Name!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!.
Omega, was this in reference to something written on one of the Haffenden records you found? Or something you found in relation to your research? I love finding little amendments to census entry's, little clues that people must have felt strongly about ...such as putting down a false name!
Roy - I think that is probably a good idea, or he had started a new family with Elizabeth, wanted to make some room for his ne family and perhaps these two caused him a bit or agro! Although I'm trying not to tarnish someones character without good supporting evidence :)
Now I am home so I've been able to look at the documents I've got. I have the birth cert for Caroline (who it would seem is the only one who does not have dads surname as a middle name). I have just noticed that Sarah Ann was only 15 when she was born, so essentially she was a baby machine. I need to check who she might have been living with in 1873, if there is the possibility her father is not George (Snr).
I believe that George Haffenden remarried by 1894, but he started having more children shortly after Sarah Ann's death as I've found him and 'wife' Elizabeth in the 1891 census with a child of 3 and another of 1.
All of Sarah Ann's children (bar Caroline who is last seen 1891 in a reform school in Hampstead) moved to Bromley in Kent in time for the 1911 census.
Thanks for all your great finds, I couldn't wait to leave work to read them all properly and have a think!
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Re: I have just noticed that Sarah Ann was only 15 when she (Caroline) was born, so essentially she was a baby machine.
I agree she was a baby machine, but can I correct you on your maths, or point out another porkie being told by one of your ancestors.
Sarah Evenden died 9 Apr 1885, and it was said her age then was 34 [therefore born 1851].
Alternatively, the 1881 census has her as 28 [therfore born 1853]
But the only Sarah Ann Sharwood/Sherwood/Shearwood born around then had her birth registered in Brighton in 1855, and this is supported by the 1861 census.
So when Caroline was born in 1872-1873, Sarah may have been aged somewhere between 17 and 22. I tried to find who Sarah was living with in 1871 to see how old she professed to be then, but there is no one of her surname listed. Would her mother (who you should find on the 1861) have also moved in with a new partner and adjusted her surname to suit, or was Sarah in some sort of corrective institution? Roy G
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Hmm I'll have to look into that Roy, I have so far failed to find her in the 1871 census but I haven't tried looking to see if she was with other family...
I have found that George's parents - George and Philadelphia Havenden are living in Arlington Cottages in Willingdon in 1871 which is where Caroline was born 2 years later as per birth cert, which also has mums age as 15, which is what I was looking at when I posted about her age, you are right to correct me I readily admit my maths is shocking! :)
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Hi Amy
I was referring to My husbands Greatgrandmother.Long story.
I have found another son of George`s & Sarah Ann.
Baptised Privately
Harry Moses Evenden
8 Sept 1883
Dad,Bricklayer.
omega
PS,still looking for John & Alfred`s baptisum
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Harry Moses did`nt survive.
Birth & Death registered Sept 1883 :(
omega
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Hi Omega, we meet again!
Amy, this is no use to you at the moment ..... but when you sort this lot out, maybe.
My grandmothers cousin May Pearson b c1896 married an Albert Haffenden. I have a picture of their wedding in 1921. I have not bought their marriage certificate, so know no more about Albert. I don't know his age or parentage - should you ever discover a link, I should be very interested. ;)
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No trace of an Albert yet in my tangled mess of a family :) I'll keep my eyes open for you, if you get any more info on him then let me know and I'll see what I can do.
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i do have a haffenden somewhere in my tree although not directly connected
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Hi Amy. Hope you had a good evening mulling over the findings.
Re Caroline
You mentioned in past correspondence that you had a gut feeling that whilst Caroline was Sarah Sharwood's daughter, she may not have been George's. Her delayed baptism in 1883 does list her with Evenden as a middle name, but the 1881 census shows her middle name began with an S not an E or H. (note her 3 siblings had an H for Haffenden) As you say you have a copy of her birth cert, what middle name did she have on that? I ask because illegitimate births frequently had the family surname of the father inserted into that position.
re the Sharwoods
I stress I only have the index to the 1861 Brighton census so you will have to check the following out with the more detailed original.
It looks as though Sarah's parents were Caroline Sharwood (born Shoreham 1829) and her toy boy husband George born Brighton 1836. George and Caroline (nee Kent) married in Brighton in June quarter 1854, and Sahah Ann arrived in the March quarter of 1855.
*note It may be just coincidence but FreeBMD has two births registered in this quarter, one of a Sarah Ann Sharwood, the other of a Sarah Ann Kent.
The 1861 census index also shows Sarah had siblings George (1856) and Fanny (1859).
A grandfather, (William Sharwood b 1811) may also have been living with them.
Note these family names, George, Caroline & William repeat later.
My 1871 Brighton census index shows a George SHERWOOD b 1836 now living with an ANN born 1833.
With him are son George and dtr Fanny but no Sarah.
Questions: Where's Sarah and what happened to former wife Caroline?
The probable answer to Sarah's missing mother Caroline is she died in Brighton in 1868, even though the death registration I found said she was 32. That is followed by a Brighton marriage of a George William Sharwood to an Ann Pearcey in 1869, which would seem to match up with that death and the new wife found on the 1871 census.
Roy G
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Hi Snowy,We keep bumping into each other :)
Hi Amy
Now,if i`ve done my sums right & George married a Pricilla at a later date,then he was playing the field ::)
Baptised at Waldron
Thomas Evenden
18 Oct 1885!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Son of George & Pricilla
Hope all this info did`nt disturb your sleep,been there done that.
omega :)
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Hi Omega,
Sorry but I'm not sure where Priscilla comes into it?? I have George marrying Sarah Ann in 1883 and then Elizabeth sometime later?
I've had a look at the census for 1891 and that George Evenden was born in Framfield, also from a brief look at the records available it looks as though he is another George Evenden. Looks like George is a family name so maybe could be from another branch?
Roy - Caroline is the only one who is named solely as Caroline Sherwood... Maybe if she thought that they would get in trouble regarding her age, she decided to hide his surname. It seems as though they Caroline and George stuck together though, plus if Caroline was born at George's parent's house then maybe thats a good sign that George is the dad?
I had a look for Caroline Kent/Sherwood and Sarah Ann but so far I havent found them anywhere during their 'missing' period of time. I'll keep looking...
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Re having "a look for Caroline Kent/Sherwood and Sarah Ann but so far I havent found them anywhere during their 'missing' period of time."
Keep looking for Sarah by all means, but I am fairly convinced the death of a Caroline Sherwood that I found in Brighton in 1868 was Sarah's mother. Loosing her mother and then her father remarrying within the year, may be why a 14 year old Sarah walked out and manufactured a new life for herself. Roy G
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Hi
Facing the same sort of problems you have encountered years ago when resources were not soo easily available I drew a large breath!
Remember when doing genealogy you move backwards.
Look at your family tree again and DO NOT PRESUME ANYTHING!
Ensure you have BMD certs for your parents and grandparents if ou haven't already. They are critical to laying a good foundation.
What is in common on these certs? FORENAMES? PLACES? DATES?
LOOK at Haffendon?Evendon ? Might that have been a dialectical difference or the "ear" of a particular vicar?? Were the family literate? Did the difference occur during a particular decade for example or while they lived in a particular spot?
When you have checked everything look again! (I have one ancestor who married twice - both women named Elizabeth, of the same age and for ages I just thought she had put the wrong village as her place of birth on the census!). Eventually I realised that folk didn't actually tell as many whoppers as we might assume it's just that we haven't picked up the clues!
Another example is of an illegitimate male birth in 1908 ie Cyril XXXX(2nd forename is father's surname) YYYY (mother's surname).
When Cyril joined the Army in 1922 he dropped his mother's surname YYYY and became Cyril XXXX and used that name at his 2 subsequent marrriages.
His children are all known as XXXX. Way back this was used to denote paternity where bastardy claims were made or the "wife" wished to establish a land or property claim.
Good luck
Dale
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Hello Amy
RE,my message 27.I`m sorry but i started to confused & sorry to George..
Will have looked in again in a few days
Kind Regards
omega
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Hello Amy
Could this be Sarah Ann on the 1871 ?
A Lodger at Chesterfield Court,Brighton.
Sarah Ann CHERWOOD, 17 ,born Brighton.
I looked on FindMyPast for a birth between 1852 to 1855,nothing,only for Sarah Ann SHERWOOD
Kind Regards
omega
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That's a brilliant find by Omega, which looks to be the one you seek, but you may not like what I have to say next.
Brighton's Chesterfield and Thomas Streets included a number of lodging houses that predominantly catered for vagrants and prostitutes. It is such a delicate matter to discuss openly in this forum, but her early death and those of her later born children could have some connection to that way of life. I would be inclined to check out the 1871 census to see the nature of employment of the people she was lodging with, and note the cause of death on her death certificate, if nothing else, to eliminate her from that line of inquiry. Roy G
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Hi Roy :)
1871 on FindMyPast very faint but Sarah Ann states she was a Charwoman along with 3 others.
I know Ladies of the night sometimes stated they were Dressmakers from what i have read.If they could`nt get Work then they had to get money from somewhere,Bless`em :(
omega
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Oh, I am not condemning ladies that turn to the service industries in order to survive, but it is interesting to find 3 char women (perhaps prospective ladies maids) at the same address.
Roy G
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Sorry Roy,i was`nt getting at you.
omega
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Didn't think you were Omega. Following family in conjunction with local history has caused me to have a matter of fact approach to the most complex domestic matters. I only wish some computer programes could also handle trees showing the grand parents when cousins marry or where fathers father their daughter's child. Roy G
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Hi Roy
On Family Tree Maker I use the "merge" of 2 persons for cousins who marrry. I usually delete one factor such as birthdate (making a note first ::) to ensure I know which is which and reinstate it later!
Haven't had to deal with th e 2nd problem!
Cheers
Dale
PS
Do infants have as much fun in infancy as adults in adultery?
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HI,
Apologies for not checking back here for a couple of days, the tail end of my working week was pretty manic.
Omega, that looks like a good find, I had wondered where she had got to in 1871!
Roy thanks for your interesting thoughts, I'm certainly not 'precious' about my ancestors, there are illegitimacies all over the shop and rather her be a lady of the night in order to feed and survive, than die without having children, or I wouldn't be here! ;D
I have her death as 'intestinal obstruction 8 days - Parturition 4 days' I believe that means she died in child birth, which ties in with the birth of James Evenden who subsequently died shortly after his mother.
On one of the birth certificates (John's) underneath her name is 'a hawker' so imagine they were not a rich family....
I've ordered some more certificates, so I'm waiting to find out what they say, I always get excited when the certificate confirms something. I know £10 isn't really that expensive but with the amount I have to buy to firm up my ancestral beliefs it may take me a while to be able to afford it....
Interestingly I noticed that on John's death certificate his son's name is listed as Shurwood, meaning that he never fully took on his fathers surname and passed that down to his children. It is the mothers surname which has been passed down. Having had a quick look on one of my subscriptions it would seem that his children are all named Shurwood rather than Evenden/Haffenden. Even though in the 1911 census they are listed as Haffenden's....they do like to keep me on my toes! :)
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Good evening,
Spotted your request for info on Haffendens.
Try the following for a big bunch of them; (www.devon-mitchells.com). Click on surnames, Stephens, Stephens Amos Henry then ancestors. When the tree comes up scroll down and follow back from Harriet (born 1854) to James (born 1708). Hold on red arrow for children, click on yellow for next generation. They certainly had big families and some wonderful names.
Good hunting John
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Good evening,
Spotted your request for info on Haffendens.
Try the following for a big bunch of them; (www.devon-mitchells.com). Click on surnames, Stephens, Stephens Amos Henry then ancestors. When the tree comes up scroll down and follow back from Harriet (born 1854) to James (born 1708). Hold on red arrow for children, click on yellow for next generation. They certainly had big families and some wonderful names.
Good hunting John
Fell at the first hurdle: "Sorry, the website www.devon-mitchells.com cannot be found".
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Hi Stovepipe,
Well spotted, don't know why I put .com it should be .co.uk Just been on there so it still exists.
John
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I have just worked out that someone who married into my husband's family should be a Haffenden from Heathfield but his surname got changed to Avender.
I will read the other posts on this thread but I am in contact with a living descendant of this line who will be interested in whatever we can find.
James E Avender/Evenden appears to be the son of George b 1820 Heathfield and Philadelphia who I think are the same family that Rosa is researching.
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:) :) :) :) :) :) :)
Hi
First of all let me thank bucgad for getting in touch with me about the Haffenden/Avender connection we were in touch a few years ago and very much appreciate all the help given to me then and now.
Through trawling through all the info on here I have been looking through my paperwork to try and tie it up to connect up to the amazing information you have all found.Very difficult because of the name changes.
This is what I have in regards to my Gt Gt Grandad James Avender with help from your info included.
James Enos Haffenden bap.Jul'Sept qtr 1855 Hailsham Sussex 2B.57
1861.RG09/566 F 42.P12
Down as James E Evenden living Park Farm Cottages.Park Farm Rd Willingdon Eastbourne Sussex
1871 RG10/1038.F.52.P8
Down as Enock Havenden living Arlington Cottages Willingdon Eastbourne Sussex.
1881 RG11/1252.F.50.P24
Down as James Avender living 4 North Camp Aldershot,Hut K Line,Military in North Camp Aldershot Hampshire.
he was single aged 24.
In our possesion we have his Army Book with all his army career on it BUT the information of his parents names are slightly different to the ones on the census.
He has put down his Next of Kin as Father & Mother . George and MARY? Avender Brothers&sisters names George Uda(Uda not clear)
(Gid young)not clear
Mary
dated 31 Jan 1875.
Hope you can follow this and if I have got it wrong you are very welcome to correct me.
I have a lot of information after 1881 when he was living in Grantham.
Kathy
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Hi
To complete James Avenders background from 1881 onwards.
In 1881.
James married Mary Ellinor Perry/Ellen Perry 27 Jan 1881 Farnborough Hartley Wintney Hampshire.
In 1881.
Whilst James was a soldier Mary gave birth to a little boy in May and he sadly died 30 July 1881 in Grantham they were living 5 Commercial Rd Grantham.
In 1885.
James & Hellen lived in Marston Lincolnshire He was a brickmaker.Their daughter Ruth Myrtle Elizabeth(My Grandmother) was born 21 April 1885.She died 1958 Nottingham.
In 1891.
James/Hellen & daughter Ruth Myrtle Elizabeth lived 3 Station Rd North Bexhill.James was a Brickmaker.
RG12/ 767 F 40 P20.
In 1901.
James /Hellen & daughters Ruth Myrtle Elizabeth & Myrtle b c1888 Bexhill Sussex Myrtle died 15 Nov 1975 Grantham.Lived Kites Nest Cottage St Marks Bexhill.James was a brickmaker.
RG13/874 F.114 P.15
In 1911.
James/Hellen & daughters Melby(?Myrtle)b.1899 Bexhill & Kathleen b.1903 Bexhill lived 4 Springfield Rd Grantham.
In 1924-29.
James & Ellen lived 79 Springfield Road Grantham
In 1929-35.
They lived Willoughbys Mill,Manthorpe Rd Grantham
In 1939.
They lived 7 Rutland Street Grantham until their deaths James 15 Aug 1949 & Mary Ellen Dec 1953.
James was buried in the grave of his Son in Law Samuel Topham who died 1944.
Mary Ellen's christian name kept being changed but she died using the name Ellen.
So sadly the Avender surname is no longer in Grantham :( :( :( :(.
Kathy
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Well a little late, but my Great Grandfather Richard was born in Heathfield, and moved to Paddock Wood in Kent. I am still in Kent having settled down from my globetrotting expat days, and researching my family history.
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Hi, Welcome to Rootschat have you any information such as his date of birth, his parents marriage or any other information that might help us to find him?
Kathy
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I sure do! My Gt G'father Richard was born in 1836. Married Elizabeth Blunt and moved to Brenchley, nr Paddock Wood (just behind the Poet's where my neighbour Petrus is the chef). My Grandfather Henry trained at the Blunt butcher shop in Paddock Wood, before opening a shop in Deptford, and then working for South Eastern Railways at London Bridge. After he retired he took over the Queen's Head put on Queen Street, Brenchley.
Some of the Haffendens of Tenterden moved to Heathfield to look after lands aquired through marriage and inheritance.
Does this tie in to your research?
B Rgds
Ray Haffenden
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Hi Ray,
Sorry for the delay in getting back to you but have been out celebrating our sons birthday.
Up to now I have not found a connection to my research but that is not to say there is not as the Haffenden name is very large.
Have you found any of your Gt Grandads background on census ie 1841etc? I have found some via Find My Past site but did not want to duplicate any which you already have.
Regards
Kathy
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Hi
I am interested in your statement that some Haffendens moved from Tenterden to Heathfield. I am trying to connect Kemp's from Cranbrook, Hawkhurst and Heathfield. My Heathfield Kemp's descend from Haffendens, and Tenterden is very near Cranbrook. This could be the key!
Any info you can share in this would be appreciated.
Hope to have three posts soon so you can message me directly!