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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => London and Middlesex => England => London & Middlesex Lookup Requests => Topic started by: SBib on Sunday 10 July 11 23:13 BST (UK)
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Can someone confirm that James Bibby bc1846 in Christchurch, London was the son of James & Sarah.
They can be found in Lambeth 1861 but not in 1851.
James jnr had a sister Ann bc1853. Was Ann also the daughter of Sarah and were there any other siblings in between?
James snr appears to have married Sarah Knott in Lambeth in 1846. Does the marriage say who his father was and does it show his age?
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Shown as Bibbey
Marriage 9.3.1846 St Mary Lambeth - both were full age
James occ was glassmaker - father William deceased occ glassmaker
Sarah's father was Joseph occ labourer
Neither witness was surname Knott or Bibby - cannot decipher surnames but both were called John
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Hi
1851
HO107 Piece: 1569 Folio: 357 Page:13
27, White Horse Street, Lambeth
James Bibbey head 35 Glass Maker Southwark
Sarah Bibbey wife 27 Southwark
James Bibbey 4 Lambeth
William Bibbey 2 mths Lambeth
Jan
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Indexed as Bibbey in 1851 ref HO107 Piece 1569 Folio 357 Page 13
Sorry Groom - RC froze whilst posting
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Christening under BIBBAY
James c 14.3.1847 Lambeth St Mary parents James occ glassblower and Sarah - address 27 White Horse St
Indexed as BIBBEY
Ann b 11.6.1853 c 17.7.1853 Lambeth St John the Evangelist - parents and address as above
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Christening under Bibey
Sarah Charlotte July 3 1853 Lambeth St. Mary, parents James occ..glassblower and Sarah Elizabeth. Address 46 White Horse Street
claire
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Thank you all ever so much.
When I searched for them in 1851 I searched for James Bibby, phonetic, and wife Sarah, which didn't find them. Now when I changed it to Bibbey, phonetic, it did. - Stupid search facility. ::)
Claire - Sarah Charlotte appears to have been baptised 2 weeks before her sister Ann and at a different church. It doesn't look like they were twins so I'm wondering if Sarah was an older child bc1849 perhaps. Does it not say her age or birthdate?
Cheers
Steve
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Does it not say her age or birthdate?
No - only christening date
Have you used the wildcard search which is how I found them - James Bib**
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Thanks Carole.
I have used the wildcard search before but not in this case. It should have found it phonetically though, shouldn't it really? I can see I will have to try all options in future. Doh!
Moving on - Who then was the father of James Bibby, a glass blower, who married Mary McLachlan in 1849 in Lambeth? Definitely a different James - living in Pleasant Place, Lambeth in 1851.
Cheers
Steve
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Lambeth St John the Evangelist
1849 Apr 15
James BIBBY, full, Bachelor, Glass blower, Waterloo Road, father Charles Bibby, Glass Blower
Mary McLACHLAN, full, Spinster, -, Waterloo Road, father John McLachlan, Glass blower
Married after Banns
Both made their mark, in presence of Thomas Edge, Mary Edge
Ian C
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G'day Ian. Thanks for that.
Now James was born c1825 according to the 51 census but his father, Charles, married Eliza Ridden in 1827 at Shoreditch. So, was Eliza James's mother?
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A James Bibby married in 1867 at Greenwich. Can someone find who he married and who his father was?
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Looking for marriage details of James Bibby who married Mary Ann Hogan in 1853 in Hanover Square.
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Hi,
1867 James Bibby, lab. married Ann Chandler; his father Thomas a gas fitter
Junev
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How many James Bibby's are you looking for?
This is now the 4th James Bibby marriage?
If you are unsure as to which is the right marriage - please tell us what you know about your particular James Bibby and we can see if we can help
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Thanks June. Does it mention James age at all? Can't find them in 1861 or 71.
Hi Carole,
I'm doing a one-name study and I wanted to sort out a few Jameses where the info is difficult to find. I expect I will be on here for a long time. I'm impressed with the no of postings that you've done and I appreciate your help.
Cheers
Steve
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Hi
If you are doing a one name study - it may be more realistic to buy a subscription to one of the many websites offering the type of information you are requesting - particularly if you intend asking for lookups for all Bibby marriages
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I've got most of them already (c2500). I'm just filling in the gaps.
I may go for a subscription later when my finances have been sorted out.
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A large number of libraries offer free Ancestry access which may be of help to you
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I know. I use it at my local library.
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I have Charles Bibbey, glassmaker of 16 Faircloth Street, Lambeth, wife Eliza (1851 census), then Charles Bibbey (him, or his son?), a glassblower, married to Mary Eliza Jones on the 8 April 1808 at St Mary Lambeth. Her father was George Jones, painter. They had a son, James Bibbey, born 1818 at Southwark. He was a glassmaker, of 27 White Horse Street, Lambeth, and married Sarah Knott in Lambeth in 1846. They had two sons, James, born Jan/Mar 1847, and William, born March 1850 in Lambeth. He was a glassblower in the High Street, and married Mary Elizabeth Earl, born 1845 at Newington. They married on the 3 April, 1865 at St Mary Lambeth. In the 1861 census, they were living at 3 Lucas Crescent, Broadwall, Southwark, and in the 1881 census, he was lodging at 36 & 38 Mint Street, St Saviour, Southwark. Their daughter, Eliza, my grandmother, was born on the 14 March, 1866 at 8 Devonshire Street, Newington
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Hi Nick,
Thanks for your update and welcome to Rootschat.
I have a few problems with your information. If you contact me via my website I'm sure we can sort it out between us.
https://sites.google.com/site/allaboutbibby/
Cheers
Steve
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I got this information from several sources, but it is quite possible that I have made some erros. Can you help, please?
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I assume you got the birth cert of Eliza (your grandmother) to identify her parents.
Did you then get the marriage cert of her parents?
You said they (William & Mary?) were living in Lucas Crescent in 1861. Did you mean 1871?
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My grandmother, Eliza Bibbey's birth is recorded in the Newington district in the June quarter of 1866. She was born on the 14th March 1866 at 8 Devonshire Street, Newington, Surrey. She was the daughter of William Bibbey, a glassblower, and Mary Elizabeth Bibbey, formerly Earl. The mother registered the birth by making her mark, on the 23rd April 1866, before William Seagrave, Registrar.
William and Mary Elizabeth were married on the 3rd April 1865, at St Mary Lambeth. They were both illiterate and made their marks. I am unable to find the record of them living at 3 Lucas Crescent, Broadwall, Southwark at present, but I am think it was in the 1861 census.
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Wm & Mary Elizabeth weren't together in 1861 because they married in 1865. So I think they must have been at Lucas Crescent in 1871.
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Good point! Thanks for poiinting it out. I made a similar mistake on another part of the tree, where I had my g grandmother marrying again before she was widowed. Family legend has it that somewhere in my ancestry, there was a Spanish lady - have you come across her?
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Charles Bibbey (b1807 in Warrington) married Eliza Ridden in 1827 at Lambeth and they are in the 1851 census in Lambeth. They cannot be the parents of James b1818 in Lambeth.
I cannot find the marriage of Charles to Mary Eliza Jones in 1808 in Lambeth. Where did you get this from? There's a Charles who married Mary Ann Jones in 1868 in Lambeth.
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I have a copy of the marriage certificate in front of me. The writing is terrible, but it states that on the 8 April 1808, Charles Bibbey (and I think it says Jun) married Mary, and it could be Ellen, Elisa or Ann - actually, I now think it is Ann - Jones, both of full age, he's a bachelor, she's a spinster, he's a glassblower, both living at John Street, his father Charles Bibbey, glass maker, and her father George Jones, Painter. Charles Bibbey Jun signed, and Mary Ann made her mark. This was in the parish church of St Mary Lambeth, and it is signed by, I think, S Cadrington, curate. I got this from Ancestry Library.com
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You say the writing is terrible. Please can you check the date again. Are you sure it's 1808? Could it be 1868?
A Charles Bibbey jun married, in Lambeth, a Mary Ann Jones in 1868, father Charles. This fits with the censuses.
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Yes, you're right. The 0 is a lot smaller and is the bottom half of a 6, and the next certificate has 1868.
Thanks for our help.
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Ancestry shows the marriage in 1846 of James to Sarah Knott and it gives his father as William. I cannot identify William. The marriage cert would be useful.
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I now have a copy of the marriage certificate of James Bibbey and Sarah Knott. They were married on the 9 March. 1846, at St Mary Lambeth. He was a glassmaker, they were both of full age, and they were living at White Horse Street. James' father was William Bibbey, deceased, who was also a glassmaker, and Sarah's father Joseph was a labourer. James made his mark, Sarah's name is on the licence but she did not make a mark. The witnesses were John Prizeman and John Poett.
In the1851 census, James and his family are living at 27 White Horse Street, Lambeth. He is a glassmaker, born 1816, Sarah was born in 1824, both of them born in Southwark. James junior was born in 1847 in Lambeth, and is a scholar. and William is two months old.
Also in the 1851 census, Charles Bibbey, born in Dagenham in 1809, was living at 6 Faircloth Court, Lambeth with his wife Eliza, who was born in Southwark in 1809. They had a son, Charles Bibbey, baptised on the 17 Feb, 1850 at St Mary Lambeth, also of 6 Faircloth Court, and not mentioned in the census.
In 1850, William Bibbey was born in Lambeth (vol IV, page ,I think, 335), and on the 3 April, 1865, William Bibbey, a glassblower of High Street, was married in St Mary Lambeth, to Mary Elizabeth Earl, daughter of North Edmund Earl, a bookbinder from St Pancras. Mary was born in 1845 in Newington. Is this the brother of Charles Bibbey junior or the son of James? Looks like a birth cert is needed
In the 1871 census, William Bibbey, a glassblower, is living at 3 Lucas Crescent, Broadwall, Southwark, and in the 1881 census, lodging at 36 &38 Mint Street, St Saviour, Southwark.
He died in 1885, and is buried at St Olaves church, Southwark.
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Hi Nick. It's been a while but I'm now back on the case.
Eliza Bibbey, your grandmother, appears to be living with her father William, glassblower, age 35 in 1871. This suggests he was born around 1836.
William, born 1850 to James and Sarah, seems unlikely to be Eliza's father because of his age at marriage (15) and his absence from the family in 1861. There is a death of a William Bibbey in 1855 in Southwark. (FreeBMD)
So I think it's more likely that William, born abt1835, son of Charles and Eliza (Ridden), is her father. Charles is also a glass blower and so is his son William. William's birth appears to be Birmingham not Bristol, as in the 71 census, but his brother, Charles, appears to have been born in Bristol, London.
What do you think?
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Hi SBib
Nick hasn't been online here since 2014 but as long as his email address hasn't changed, should receive a notification that you have posted and hopefully come back soon.
Dawn
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Thanks Dawn.
Never mind. The information is there for anyone who may be interested.