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I am stuck on baptism of Grace Keast possibly St Cleer who married Richard Sibly 1699 at St Cleer.
Can anyone help with this please?
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Grace Keast bap 1660 to Joseph in St Neot, which is sort of "next door" to St Cleer.
Fizzy
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Hi Finnisfinder,
The best match that I can find is the Grace christened in Lewannick in 1679 - but the names of her parents are not recorded.
There were 2 other christenings in the same church around this time for a Thomas (1672) & Henry (1674) Keast who are probably siblings to Grace - but again, the parents are not recorded.
John Keist & Margaret Mildren who married in South Petherwin in 1666 would seem likely suspects - but I think that they are the parents of Margery (1667) & Mary (1672) who were christened in Trewen.
As it would appear that Richard & Grace were still producing children as late as 1711, I would hesitate at taking the one from St Neot as that would make her over 50 at the time of the last birth.
Having just used the batch number (P002151) to look at the christenings for Lewannick, I have checked a few for around the same time period and they would appear to show both parents - so it may well be that the 3 children above were all illegitimate.
All of which unfortunately does not take you any further forward!
Cheers,
Phil
keastconnect
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Thanks to both of you. I had thought the St Neot one wasn't likely.
But..... went onto Cornwall OPC this morning, just entered the surname, a wide date range and left the parish box empty
Then the following came up Grace Keast baptised 9th April 1676 Landrake, father Richard. There were 5 siblings two of whom had
mother as Margery.
Seems as if this could be the one. What do you think Phil?
Maggie
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Landrake 1705 Grace Keast married, so that's why I dismissed her.
Fizzy
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Hi Maggie,
As ever with these things, it is important to try to rule somebody out - be it that they died in infancy or married somebody else.
In this case, there is a marriage in Landrake in 1705 between a Grace Keast & John Couch - and I see no other contenders for the bride.
It may be that there are still baptisms to be transcribed and uploaded or that the relevant record is no longer in existence or in a legible condition - all sorts of things could have happened in the last 300+ years!
For all we know, Grace was illegitimate and her mother could not afford to have her christened.
I know that this is frustrating - but there has to be a point where you cannot trace a line any further!
All you can do is put this one on the back burner and hope that something comes to light that helps you.
Cheers,
Phil
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Hello, yes also saw Grace Keast married at Landrake in 1705. As you say Phil, put it to one side, something sooner or later turns up.
There is the marriage at St Cleer in 1699 of Grace and Richard Sybly. Found this transcribed on Cornwall OPC. Someone I do this side of the family with goes to LDS in London and goes through the films there. So that's how he came up with the marriage.
Anyway thanks for your help.
Maggie.
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Just adding to this, belatedly, to say hello!
I descend from Samuel Sibly 1734 St Cleer -- him who was the parish clerk, I believe, and "a worthy man", as his burial entry tells us. BMDs in the blood! (And I'm sure Sam would be rolling over in his grave if he saw the dozens of trees at Anc'y and elsewhere that have him fathering a son in Tennessee in 1775. Those Anc'y hints ... aren't they great.)
Samuel 1734 was the son of Thomas Sibly and Mary. This would make them Thomas Sibly and Mary Sibly (so it says) who married 1731, I presume. I have not done a lot of poking around in this line, as it is well researched by a lot of people. Also, the online parish clerk for St Cleer is terrific, and I've written to tell him so! Oh, hold on, it has a new one -- but I'll bet she's terrific too. ;) The links here
http://www.cornwall-opc.org/Par_new/parishes.php/
are not working for me, so I can't tell what's there now.
I believe my Thomas Sibly is the son of Samuell and Mary, born 1713, rather than of your Thomas Sybly son of Richard and Grace, born 1703.
So my Samuell would be born 1672, son of Thomas.
If your Richard was born 1668, son of Thomas (plus there was eldest child Thomas 1665), I'm betting they were brothers.
Hard to tell, when an entire clan over a couple of centuries only has three names among them ... !
But one way or another -- howdy, cuz! from this branch of the family in Canada. :)
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Hello,
Yes I am the new OPC for St Cleer.
Donald sadly died last year and I took over the reins as I am already OPC for Menheniot. Donald worked very hard to put the St Cleer records online.
The non-conformist records have now been added too.
Dont know why the link shouldnt be working as I am here ready, able and willing to help.
Fizzy
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Oh, pleased to meet you indeed! I saw your email address there and was thinking of dropping you a line.
I was just looking back through old emails and saw where someone who had helped me out with a Devon parish record, and we then got chatting, informed me that one of my Siblys was witness to one of her Muttons' marriages. Well of course he was; he was the parish clerk. ;)
The thing with the links -- on the parish index page:
http://www.cornwall-opc.org/Par_new/parishes.php
you click on St Cleer, and the link is this:
http://www.cornwall-opc.org/Par_new/a_d/cleer_st.php
... oh well! Now it works. ;) Earlier, all of the parish links were just sending me back to the top of the parish list.
And Don's former site:
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~cricket5/
Terrific, it's all there as it was.
I'm very sorry to hear of Donald's death, and especially glad now that I did write him when I did, to thank him for all the work he had done. He didn't even have a personal connection with the parish, as he explained to me.
Never put off until tomorrow!
.......... Oh for heaven's sake! I just checked that email address at the St Cleer page, which is different from the one I saw earlier somewhere -- you are you! From the Devon FHS board. How lovely to see you again, with your Mutton ancestors who mixed it up with my Sibly ancestors. We need a wavey-hello smileface here!
Listen, somebody seems to have hijacked that email account -- I've been getting weird spam from it, coincidentally just this week. I guess because I'm in your address book from back in 2007 -- remember the Hills of Tamerton Foliot at all, and the mining lease you found for me at A2A, and the probable 1817 marriage you gave me that I can't get past? You are the source of my brick wall. ;D
You know me by a different name, ssh. I'll PM you if I'm not ringing the bell here.
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Its yahoo that is at fault not me !!
I went through my address book and deleted all my family history contacts, so I probably deleted you with those.
Still here I am if you want me.
Fizzy
PS Do you have any queries that you wanted me to look at.
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I'm just playing with those Hills now ... having found the marriage at the COPC site with more details ...
I was looking at this page, as we're speaking of Siblys:
http://www.cornwall-opc.org/Records/parishes/A-D/cleer_st_census.php
It's a listing of people from St Cleer and where they are in the 1841 census? I can contribute where my last Sibly ancestor was in the 1841 and 1851 (under her married name) -- should I send you that? PM me!
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Even if someone has "done" all the Siblys they might have been done very badly and then on family trees people tend to copy - mistakes and all.
SO I always start afresh. Give me the Sibley you have on the 1841 and 1851 census and we will take off from there.
Fizzy
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Well! Alrighty then. Since they're all related, I guess we can go ahead and use finnisfinder's thread, so anybody in future sees both of us here.
Sarah Sibly, daughter of Samuel and Elizabeth, baptised 05 Apr 1784
http://www.cornwall-opc-database.org/search-database/more-info/?t=baptisms&id=335512
Aha, there's your first question. I think he married two Elizabeths.
KINGDON in 1761
http://www.cornwall-opc-database.org/search-database/more-info/?t=marriages&id=675467
COUMBE (various spellings of course) in 1768
http://www.cornwall-opc-database.org/search-database/more-info/?t=marriages&id=675514
and I believe there is indeed some muddling of that.
There's no intervening Elizabeth Sibly burial at the COPC site. So ... do you feel like untangling that web? Which Elizabeth do I descend from?
I feel foolish asking for somebody else to do such things. It's what I do, you recall! (Did you get my email just now?) But an OPC must be kept busy and keep those skills honed. ;)
Do you want to work out how finnisfinder and I are related??
(Oops, it's finnisfinder's spouse, I think.)
For the census page,
http://www.cornwall-opc.org/Records/parishes/A-D/cleer_st_census.php
it's Sarah Sibly daughter of Samuel whose info I can provide.
She married Jacob Bond who was baptised in St Stephens by Saltash 06 Jan 1773, parents Thomas and Elizabeth (it's at familysearch).
(edit - found him at the COPC, where he's called BIND. Can that be corrected?)
Marriage of Jacob and Sarah 02 Dec 1803, St Cleer
http://www.cornwall-opc-database.org/search-database/more-info/?t=marriages&id=675734
So in 1841 she is:
Sarah Bond
Age 53 / c1788
Franks Quarry?
Maker, reg dist St Germans, sub-reg dist Antony
- called Devon in that year, so she is shown as not born in county
And in 1851 she is
Sarah Bond (transcribed as Bonds by Anc'y)
Age 66 / c1785
born (transcribed as) St Clears, Cornwall
27? Fore Street
Antony, reg dist St Germans, sub-reg dist Antony
(Her son is next door, but none of her children were born in St Cleer)
So she is my last Sibly person, and my last St Cleer person! And there are no Siblys on that COPC census info page (unless, like her, they are married/descended from, and have a different surname), and I'd be pleased to add her.
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I have had a fiddle with this and I think the two Samuel marriages are two different Samuels.
Several thoughts on that. As you say no burial for Elizabeth or daughter Mary.
That Mary seems to go on and marry a Samuel Kingdon - possibly a cousin as Elizabeth was a Kingdon prior to marriage.
I would the hazard a guess that they were Samuel and Elizabeth buried 1788 St Cleer.
YOUR Samuel and Elizabeth had eight children including Sarah. In 1841 brother Richard is at Tremar St Cleer and brother Samuel is in Plymouth, Devon.
Fizzy
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Yes, my husband's descended from Richard Sibly! I'm trying to sort them all out, with difficulty.
Going back a bit, can you tell me which Samuel married Joan Borrow 13th Feb 1726 at St Cleer? Was he born 1705 s/o Thomas and Peternel. Also was he b/o Elizabeth who married Henry Borrow?
I'm using records from Don's site which are very clear but I'm stuck in the early 1700s so please, any ideas!
Please carry on using this thread so I can catch up with you both sooner or later.
Also have a Mutton marrying a William Hambly, not going there at the moment.
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I would the hazard a guess that they were Samuel and Elizabrth buried 1788 St Cleer.
And my Sarah Sibly would have been not yet even 3 yrs old when her mother died, and her father the next year. This matches up -- she was the youngest with those parents, Samuel and Elizabeth:
Elizabeth died Sep 1786
Samuel died Sep 1787
-- and those dates match up with him being the parish clerk I've assumed was him -- the last marriage he witnessed was in Aug 1787. It was the marriage of, I kid you not:
William KINGDON and Mary CONGDON.
Today, they could hyphenate their surnames ...
I think these Siblys call for a wall-sized chart to try to sort them out ...
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No Janey your Samuel and Elizabeth died later.
I will let you know the dates later.
The 1788 ones were samuel sibley and Elizabeth kingdon.
Fizzy
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Oh, right, I was just in the middle of composing a post to say: wait, mine must be Elizabeth Coumbe, because
Sibly + Kingdon were 1761
Sibly + Coumbe were 1768
and my Sam's kids started being born in 1769 (assuming they were all kids of Coumbe?).
Best guess for Elizabeth Coumbe --
Eliz Combe, Aug 1748 (William and Sarah) ?
to go with
Samuel Sibly, Sep 1734 (Thomas and Mary) ?
So Samuel Sibly the parish clerk who witnessed his last marriage in Aug 1787 was not my Sam??
I don't want to know this. I liked being descended from a parish clerk and "a worthy man"!
Actually, I'd oriignally thought it would have been funny if I'd discovered that he was married to Mary who died Mary Sibly shortly afer, "an excellent woman & great sufferer". I suspect that a woman married to such a worthy man might indeed have had to be a great sufferer. ;)
So my sam died ... 1804? And Elizabeth ... 1830, aged 82, widow, in Warleggon?
-- yes, perfect match for:
Eliz Combe, Aug 1748 (William and Sarah)
But for Sam Sib births in St Cleer, we have only
1715 (Nicholas and Mary)
1734 (Thomas and Mary)
Perhaps the Sam who married Kingdon was beyond childbearing age?
Sam Sib the parish clerk first appears in 1754, the year that witnesses are first recorded. So it makes sense that he was already parish clerk, and thus not likely born in 1734 ...
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~cricket5/downloads/STC_Marriages.csv
edit -- but I'm still not catching your drift here (I do recall you as a woman of few words ...!):
As you say no burial for Elizabeth or daughter Mary.
That Mary seems to go on and marry a Samuel Kingdon - possibly a cousin as Elizabeth was a Kingdon prior to marriage.
You know somehow that Kingdon/Sibly had a daughter Mary? I see only one Mary, bap 27 Nov 1770, who fits in between Samuel Jan 1769 and Elizabeth 1772. I don't understand what you're saying about a burial for daughter Mary ...
EDIT -- I gotcha - I was missing seeing the Mary Sibly born 1763 to Samuel and Eliz therefore Elizabeth Kingdon -- which Mary Sibly went on to marry, therefore didn't die in childhood, therefore the later children who include a Mary belong to Elizabeth Coumbe.
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finnisfinder:
Going back a bit, can you tell me which Samuel married Joan Borrow 13th Feb 1726 at St Cleer? Was he born 1705 s/o Thomas and Peternel. Also was he b/o Elizabeth who married Henry Borrow?
Don's St Cleer transcriptions don't show a Sam Sib born 1705 -- Tho and Pet had children Elizabeth 1698 and Peternel 1700, per his site and the general OPC database.
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~cricket5/stc_baptisms_q-s.htm
There is a Samuel Sybly, son of Thomas and Jane, 1705. They also had Jane and Richard.
Oh no, ff! Your OP says your Rich Sib married Grace Keast in 1699. And Don had this to say about St Cleer records:
"The original parish records prior to 1677 appear to have been lost but the Bishops Transcripts (an annual return that the cleric was required to make) exist for 1597-1673. Hence if you are looking for anything prior to 1597 or between 1673 & 1677 then you will not find the records here - or anywhere else!"
And isn't that just about exactly when your Richard and Grace might have been born??
Here is his chronological listing of St Cleer baptisms:
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~cricket5/downloads/STC_Baptisms.csv
On the Keast side, we unfortunately have two possible famliies:
Robert 1663
Wiliam 1665
Peter 1668
Mary 1673
> gap in records
Samuell 1683
with father Francis Keast
and
James 1667
Elizabeth 1668
John 1673
> gap in records
Stephen 1678
Johanna 1681
with father John Keast (1634, father John, married Joan Knight 1664?)
Could we theorize that Grace was born in the intervening years - between 1673 and 1677/78 ??
But to which family?
On the Sibly side,
There are a Thomas 1665 and your? Richard 1668 and Samuell 1672, all father Thomas Sibly.
And there is Elizabeth 1667 ("Libly") father Nicholas.
So I would guess that with Richard Sibly born in 1668, if that is him who married in 1699, his bride Grace Keast was quite likely born 1673-1677, and a daughter of John Keast or Francis Keast, and her baptism record is lost.
Now, if Francis and John Keast, the two fathers, were brothers, you could still make the assumption that Grace was born in the missing years and look back from there without it altering your Keast line, as the two fathers would have had the same parents -- although you would be forever stuck with an assumption. The mother's line would be undertermined, though.
I've just noticed as well that at Don's page with the chronological listing of St Cleer baptisms (link above), there is an enormous and total gap between 1635 and 1663, but I don't think he explained that. It could be why I can't find a record of a Francis Keast baptism, for instance. Or marriage. There's a death 1703 in St Cleer, though.
I see now the same gap exists for marriages and burials: 1635 to 1663.
Maybe fizzy can tell us more about that.
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St Cleer 1763 Mary Sibly to Saml and Elizabeth, which I assume is Sam Sib and Eliz Kingdon.
Fizzy
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I was editing my confusion as you spoke, having spotted that Mary baptism I'd somehow missed before. Check back a page to what I posted for finnisfinder?
I just thought I'd tell the Richard of Tennessee tale, for entertainment value.
Richard Sibly, son of Elizabeth Coumbe and Samuel, was baptised in 1775 in St Cleer.
He died in 1847 in St Cleer, with a note as to residence: "Hal Ballick Liskeard Parish".
(I don't know what that means other than he was residing in Liskeard.)
He may have married Elizabeth Govett in St Cleer in 1805, but they are in St Cleer in 1841, so more likely Catharine Stoneman in 1812 in Liskeard (an apparently widowed Rich Sib with sons is in Liskeard in 1841).
There are trees all over the internet -- about 50 when I last did a count at Anc'y -- who have Richard Shipley born in 1775 in Tennessee, married and died on that side of the ocean, where all his fool descendants now live, as the son of Samuel Sibly and Elizabeth Combe in Cornwall.
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The Richard and Elizabeth in St Cleer at Tremar in 1841 - They had moved to Liskeard by 1851 as Elizabeth (widow) is living next door to married son James at (H)albathick. So the Richard who died Albathick I think is yours. In 1861 Elizabeth is living with her Govett family.
Hadnt found the one in Liskeard but I have now in Pound Lane.
Fizzy
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So mine are Samuel Sibly and Elizabeth Combe (and yup, I'd figured out that she was the one who died in Warleggan, see a page back).
They had a son Richard Sibly 1775, and I'm just gobsmacked at the stupid people who have accepted Ancy's "hint" that he is one and the same as Richard Shipley born 1775 in Tennessee, and made him the son of my Samuel and Elizabeth in Cornwall. "Sibly" and "Shipley" may be variants of the same name (which I sincerely doubt), but a Richard Shipley born in Tennessee was not the son of Samuel Sibly and Elizabeth Coumbe of St Cleer Cornwall.
Four dozen silly people, at least, are claiming my ancestors as theirs, and suggesting that my grx4 grandfather ran off to the southeastern USA in the 1770s and fathered a child at the same time as he was having a child in Cornwall, then scooted back home again. Like you were saying: do one's own research!
At Anc'y, in 1841, he is Richard Sibly 1781 in Liskeard, a farmer, with sons Richard and Nicholas, in a Merrifield household. But he's just my ancestor's brother. He just wasn't born in Tennessee, is the thing. ;)
Anyhow, the big Richard Sibly in this thread is finnisfinder's, who married Grace Keast.
And it seems that the question of who Grace Keast's parents were is unanswerable, because she was likely born 1673-1677, in the gap in St Cleer parish records.
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Read modification above.
Fizzy
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Grace Keast bap 1660 to Joseph in St Neot, which is sort of "next door" to St Cleer.
Fizzy
Altho probably not of she had a child in 1711 as she would have been 51, unless the child was born sooner and baptised as an older infant.
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The Richard and Elizabeth in St Cleer at Tremar in 1841 - They had moved to Liskeard by 1851 as Elizabeth (widow) is living next door to married son James at (H)albathick. So the Richard who died Albathick I think is yours.
I think that's what I was saying. ;) The age at death of the Richard Sibly in the St Cleer burial records, residing "Hal Ballick Liskeard Parish", is a perfect match for Richard son of my Sam and Eliz.
Back to finnisfinder's Grace Keast who married the older Richard Sibly -- fizzybubble!! -- the St Cleer parish records are gone for 1673 to 1677 -- gone for longer than that before 1677, but reconstructed from BTs except for the years 1673-1677.
Would we not agree (see my post on the previous page) that it is highly likely that Grace Keast was a child of either John or Francis and born sometime 1673-1677 in St Cleer, where she then married Richard Sibly in 1699?
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For you to consider :-
If your Sam was the one who died in 1804 there seems to be a will for him at the CRO.
Also in 1806 an Elizabeth Sibly widow married a Joseph Spear widower, so that could have been your Elizabeth and not the one who was living in Warleggan and buried St Cleer.
Fizzy
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Why could some of our ancestors not have been named Britanny and Justin??
Thanks! and I shall get back to these Siblys once I get this big overdue job done ...
edit ... work can wait: Joseph Speare aged 76 buried in St Cleer parish 1829, "a very worthy, useful, unoffensive man and as such much respected by all who knew him". Elizabeth Spear, not so clear ...
And meanwhile, whaddaya think of the possibility that Grace Keast's baptism is lost with the St Cleer records for 1673-1677, and she was probably a child of Francis Keast or John Keast born in one of those years?
Hopefully finnisfinder will come back and check that idea out. ;)
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You are assuming that everyone had their children baptised.
I was missing one whole generation of my family until I came across a will. There were six children and not one of them baptised.
I reckon the parents fell out with the church for some reason !!!
When I was doing the registers for Quethiock, there were a lot of adult baptisms because the vicar there wouldn't marry anyone who hadn't been baptised.
BUT yes in the case of Grace Keast that could be a reason and either of those could be the parents. We need to find a Keast will.
Fizzy
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I'm back! Thought it would be easier to share what I have. It came from a family connection who had access to PRs in London +
Cornwall OPC.
These early Siblys are taken from the will of Richard Sibly dated 15th Dec 1652 proved 1st May 1660 in London and his widow Phillipa's will dated 15th Dec 1679, proved 9th Feb 1684/5
Phillipa buried St Cleer 5th Nov 1684. Need to check this. Richard listed in Protestant returns for St Cleer 1641/2.
I will go through the wills if you haven't seen them. But later post!
These are children of R and P
Nicholas bap?
John bap?
Mary bap? Mary buried 27th Nov 1705 St Cleer?
Phillipa bap 28th April 1633 St Cleer m Ralph Philpe 21st May 1678 St Cleer, buried 4th Oct 1684 Lansallos.
Richard bap 15th Nov 1635 St Cleer.
THOMAS (husband's line) bap ? m Mary Lobb 19th Oct 1664 St Cleer bur 30th March 1702 St Cleer.
Children of Thomas and Mary Lobb
Thomas bap 20th Oct 1665/6? St Cleer m 1st Peternell Batte 12th Oct 1694 St Cleer, she was buried 22nd May 1701 St Cleer.
Thomas m 2nd Jane Roberts 9th July 1703 St Cleer. she was buried 27th August 1711 St Cleer. Thomas was bur 4th Nov 1726 St Cleer.
Samuel bap 15th Oct 1672 St Cleer m Mary Stephens d/o Thomas Stephens 1st Apr 1703 bur 25th Feb 1744 St Cleer, but of Tremar.
Nicholas bap? Buried 13th June 1733 St Cleer. (mentioned in wills.)
RICHARD bap 13th May 1668 St Cleer m GRACE KEAST 1st Jan 1699 St Cleer. Richard bur 23rd April 1711 St Cleer.
Richard bap 22nd April 1701 m Lore Libby 10th April 1729 St Cleer bur 15th Aug 1733 St Cleer had a daughter Grace bap 25th Aug 1730 St Cleer. She married Henry Cole 17th July 1758 . One of the witnesses was Samuel Sibly, who was probably her cousin son of her father's brother Thomas?*
Richard's slblings were
Thomas* bap 26th Jan 1703 St Cleer m?
Mary bap 12th June St Cleer bur 22nd October 1791 St Cleer
Joan bap 11th Nov 1707 St Cleer bur 7th Jan 1763 St Cleer
Nicholas bap27th March 1711 St Cleer.
Now need to look at family of Thomas and Peternell and Samuel and Mary Stephens, also go through wills because Borrow name mentioned there. I have more on a program that I will look up.
Hope this is clear???!!!
Maggie
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I hope that you are going to transcribe the wills and donate them to the OPC website !!!
You can learn a lot about families from wills fortunately.
Thanks for this info.
Fizzy
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Just to note that the reason Samuel Sibly was a witness was that he was the parish clerk. But probably also cousin. ;)
I'm still trying to remember which Samuel (married to Elizabeth Coumbe) was mine ... !
But anyhow, I'll ask my question for the 39th time ...
finnisfinder, your original quest was for the baptism of Grace Keast.
Since no baptism has been found to fit, do you think it likely that she was baptised 1673-1677 in St Cleer, daughter of either John Keast or Francis Keast, and that record is among those permanently lost?
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I answered that on page 3.
Fizzy
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I said:
finnisfinder, your original quest was for the baptism of Grace Keast.
Since no baptism has been found to fit, do you think ...
;)
Yes, some children were not baptised. But here we have a Grace Keast marrying in St Cleer (marriages commonly took place in the bride's home parish), where there were two Mr Keasts baptising children at exactly the right time, and there is no other option for a Grace Keast baptism in Cornwall ...
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Hello, sorry to jump on an ancient thread, I've been doing my tree for about 5 years with breaks in between, My 5x great grandfather is Richard Sibly/Sibley (1775-1847)
I just wanted to confirm i am on the right track as this whole Richard Shipley business has confused me and after reading all of this i'm even more confused, sooooo just to clarify what i have, please correct if i'm wrong :-\
Richard Sibly Married Elizabeth Govett in February 1805,
Richards Parents were Samuel Sibly 1734-?? and Elizabeth Coumbes or Coombes 1748-1830
Richards son James is my 4x grt grandfather that moved to Brotton, Yorkshire (where im from)
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Hi cousin Julie. ;)
I got your PM too but I'll answer here for the record.
Your ancestor Richard Sibly of St Cleer was my greatx3-grandmother's brother.
(You're a youngster! But of course, my gr-grfather, my Sibly ancestor's grandson, was 50 when my grfather was born.)
There is absolutely no connection, the proverbial zero nada zilch, with Richard Shipley of Tennessee (or wherever else he is theorized to have originated or lived in the USA).
That nonsense appears to be 100% the result of a stupid Anc'y "hint" based on the fact that the two people share some consonants in their surname, and of course that company's US-centric approach to things. And people who don't care just saying "yes please!" and adopting that nonsense into their trees, one from another to another.
I don't know whether the Shipley of Tennessee was actually born in 1775, or that date has simply been lifted from our Sibly.
I will send you a link to a discussion thread on the "Shipley" board at that other website where I have laid out all the details of our Richard Sibly showing very clearly that he was not Richard Shipley. Basically, there are excellent parish records for our man showing him hatched, matched and dispatched in Cornwall. His mum and dad did not take a jaunt across the Atlantic and deposit another child with the same name and then sail back to England. ;)
Lovely to meet you and we can chat further by PM!