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Wales (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Wales => Monmouthshire => Topic started by: Pythos on Saturday 16 July 11 19:49 BST (UK)
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I am researching the connection between the Morgan Morgan and Ely family at the time when they were living at Bwlch Trewyn House, Pandy, Abergavenny. I have photographs of the family house at the time when there was a conservatory attached, presumable, from records found, where the stone steps led up to the ballroom.
There are a few clues which may help with identification.
On the back of the Bwlch Trewyn House is written; Katie M Ely.
On the back of a photograph of a man of about 50yrs is written; Wife Katharine Ely Dec? 1880. The photographers card is W M Gillard Clarence st, Gloucester, award 1879.
On the back of a photograph of a young woman holding a baby is written; Lillian Haselden Antonia Ely. The photographers card is W H Bustin, Hereford.
On the back of a photograph of a baby is written; E.H.R.B. aged 5 1/2 months. The photographers card is Lock & Whitfield, Ealing. W.
On the back of a photograph of an older lady is written; Silvester. The photographers card is Hugh Watson, West Bromwich.
I would dearly love to put names to all these faces. There are about 30 in total including 3 soldiers.
Any information would be much appreciated.
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Welcome to Rootschat! ;D
Looking for bmds to go with your names
birth reg
Lilian Haselden A Ely june qtr 1899 Solihull vol 6d pg 684
her marriage reg
Lilian H A Ely june qtr 1924 Kensington vol 1a pg 217 to Charles H Chandler
1901 census Grafton Park, Hereford RG13/2480 folio 162 pg 48
William A S Ely head mar 32 surgeon own means b. Gloucester
Louisa F H wife 31 b. Herefordshire, Vowchurch
Lilian H A dau 2 b. Warwickshire, Shirley
Eveline A Wood visitor 29 b. Vowchurch
Sarah Pritchard servant 28 nurse b. Vowchurch
Caroline Thomas 22 cook b. Staunton on Wye
Herbert T Perrett 17 gardener b. Wormbridge
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William in 1891 with a rather different occupation
1891 Bwlch Trewyn RG12/4346 folio 55 pg 4
Edwin A Ely head mar 53 clerk in holy orders, JP b. Gloucestershire
Maria wife 45 b. Staffordshire, Smethwick
William Anthon son 23 architect b. Gloucester city
Katharine M dau 18 b. Glos, Lassington
Louisa F H Wood visitor 21 b. Herefordshire, Vowchurch
Elizabeth Darley 38 house keeper b. Wolverhampton
Mary A Jenkins 21 cook b. Mon, Caldicott
Annie Edwards 48 servant b. London
marriage reg
William Anthony S Ely sept qtr 1894 Hereford vol 6a pg 923 to Louisa Frances H Wood
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Edwin Ely died in 1892 and Maria remarried
Edwin Anthony Ely 53 march qtr 1892 Abergavenny vol 11a pg 37
Maria Marshall Ely dec qtr 1893 West Bromwich vol 6b pg 1159 with George Inglis Jones on the same page
1901 census has Maria & George in Newport, Mon RG13/4962 folio 149 pg 18
Katherine Maria Ely married Henry Pugsley Gro ref sept qtr 1897 Wantage vol 2c pg 639. They're alsoin Newport in 1901 RG13/4961 folio 147 pg 44
Hadn't noticed your question concerning Silvester. Maria's maiden name was Silvester, so older woman could be her mother.
birth reg
Maria Marshall Silvester dec qtr 1844 Kings Norton vol 18 pg 384
marriage reg
Edwyn A Ely march qtr 1866 Wheatenhurst vol 6a pg 385 to Maria M Silvester
1861 Spring Place, Smethwick RG9/2127 folio 54 pg 12
John Silvester head mar 58 spring balance manufacturer b. WEst Bromwich
Maria wife 54 b. West Brom
Maria M dau 16 b. West Brom
Annie M Paine visitor 8 b. West Brom
Emma Gibbs 20 general servant b. Warwickshire, Little Alne.
possible death reg
Maria Silvester 64 march qtr 1872 West Bromwich vol 6b pg 489
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do you have the Rev. Morgan Morgan's will?
http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/documentsonline/details-result.asp?Edoc_Id=264093&queryType=1&resultcount=2
Does the Lewis in your title refer to the family of Peter J Lewis, vicar of Cwmyoy, who married Tirzah, the daughter of the Rev. Morgan?
Is any of this the sort of info you're looking for? To save me wasting your time & yours.
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do you have the Rev. Morgan Morgan's will?
http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/documentsonline/details-result.asp?Edoc_Id=264093&queryType=1&resultcount=2
Does the Lewis in your title refer to the family of Peter J Lewis, vicar of Cwmyoy, who married Tirzah, the daughter of the Rev. Morgan?
Is any of this the sort of info you're looking for? To save me wasting your time & yours.
Gosh, this is my first post ever. I can't be sure about the Morgan side. The way I got involved with the Lewis family was when I typed in the search engine requesting any photo of Edwin (Edwyn) Ely. A site appeared called "The History of Brynhonddu Country House". It is the same house as in my photo, (an earlier version with the conservatory). Sorry, my message space is disappearing. I will send another post.
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Ok, back again. Apparently the photo on that site was donated by the Lewis family who visited from The States and who are descendants of the Ely line.
I have researched the Ely family of Edwin A Ely, b. Edwyn Ely 1838 Gloucester.m. Maria Ely b.1846 in Stafford (her maiden name not given).This information I found in a probate research of Rev. Edwin Ely.
I do not want to put you to any trouble. I have scanned all photographs at 400 dpi & after resizing could send to the relevent descendant.
I was hoping that a descendant somewhere out there may have photographs to compare for identification.
Many thanks for all the information.
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Pps.
From the info I have found so far re Ely, I'm sure it is the Rev Edwin Ely. The problem is that in a family group photograph the ages dont seem to match up and that is why I was wondering if it is of his son's family, which doesn't match up either.
I can't find anything regarding the Rev. Morgan Morgan family and how they connected with the Ely family. Maybe they appear in the photographs.
Kind Regards
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from what I've seen from searching for this family, the only link is that the families lived in the same place. The Rev. Morgan Morgan was in the parish in the first decade of the 19th century and died in 1832, or at least, his will was proved then. His son-in-law, Peter J Lewis, was vicar of Cwmyoy, and lived in Bwlch House in 1841. I can't see the large Lewis family after the 1851 census.
The transcription of the GRO index gives Maria's maiden name as Silvester.
http://www.freebmd.org.uk/
Edwyn's birth was registered at Gloucester, but he was born in Wheatenhurst/Whitminster
http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/GLS/Whitminster/index.html
It's no problem to look things up, but feedback helps to know we're not on a totally wrong path.
When and where do the Ely & Lewis families link up?
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Thanks for the extra info. I must appologise for not getting back to you sooner but I can't get back home before 7pm at any time or any day.
Thanks for all your help.
Maybe I should research more on the Lewis side.
I have written to the Brynhonddu Country House to enquire whether or not they still have any contact with the people who donated the photograph.
Again, many thanks
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Rev Morgan Morgan owned Bwlch House which he had purchased from the Trewyn estate c1790. He transferred the estate to his elder daughter Maria Morgan shortly before she married Rev Anthony Ely from Gloucestershire. They were the parents of Rev Edwin Ely.
Morgan Morgan's younger daughter Tirzah married Rev Peter Jones Lewis and they lived at Bwlch House for almost twenty years between 1828 and 1848. They had thirteen children in total several of whom are buried at Cwmyoy. In 1854 all the surviving members of the family emigrated to Canada, except one son, Henry Lewis, who had joined the merchant navy.
All Morgan Morgan sons who survived to adulthood were ordained into the Church of England and obtained livings in various parts of England and Wales.
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Hi Pythos,
I have sent you a PM regarding Maria Marshall Silvester, who married Edwyn Ely.
Sophie
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Hello Pythos
I am the great grandson of William Anthony Sylvester Ely of Bwlch Trewyn and we have a large number of photographs also the original oil portraits of Morgan Morgan, Edwin Anthony Ely, W.A.S.Ely and others also other documents etc.
Regards
Peter
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Hello Peter,
I am the great-great-great grandson of Morgan Morgan, descended through his son-in-law Peter Jones Lewis, which I think makes us 4th cousins once removed. My cousins in America supplied the photo on the Brynhonddu web-site. Are you descended from Lillian or Trevor Ely? I live in England and would be particularly interested to see the Morgan Morgan portrait.
Regards,
David Gam
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Hello David Gam,
I am related to Henry Lewis b. 1831 who married Grace Warren Perry 14th February 1856 in Liverpool through my g.g.grandfather John Richard Perry who was Grace's brother.
Looking at the Brynhonddu website, it said their son John Richard Perry Lewis was born 13th March 1856, but this is incorrect, he was born 13th March 1868 - I have his birth certificate.
On the website they say Henry Lewis was given command of the ship "Robin Hood" on 16th June 1871 and sailed from Deal, Kent to Batavia (Jakarta) on 23rd June 1871. He never returned and was reported missing on 27th October 1872. The ship was 'presumed to have gone down with all hands'.
On the Perry family headstone at Toxteth Park, Liverpool, Henry Lewis is commemorated "Captain Henry Lewis - Son-in-Law of the above - Master of the Ship "Robin Hood" lost at sea 1872. Also, Grace W. Lewis widow of the above Capt. Henry Lewis entered into rest August 21st 1924 aged 87 years." "She hath done what she could".
Can anyone tell me where I could find the records of Henry Lewis being given command of the "Robin Hood" 16th June 1871, the sailing of the ship from Deal 23rd June 1871 and also the records of when the ship was declared missing 27th October 1872.
Any help would be really appreciated.
With thanks, Elaine
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On the back of a photograph of a man of about 50yrs is written; Wife Katharine Ely Dec? 1880. The photographers card is W M Gillard Clarence st, Gloucester, award 1879.
I am researching Essex Photographers. Trying to find out when H W Watson took over William Gillard's photographic studio - The Studio, Clarence Street, Glouchester. As far as I can see William Gillard had two studios, the other being at 2 King Street. He's in Cheltenham, Gloucestershire from abt 1871, living at King Street in 1881 and died in 1889 at Weston-super-Mare, Somerset.
Can find no reference to Mr. Watson as a photographer?
Grateful for any assistance
Bobfilm :)
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Hello people
My name is Tyrne Lewis Clark and can be found by name on facebook
I am a descendant of Peter Jones Lewis and Tirzah Morgan
so as you are a source for information I can not reach
I am a source of information that is hard for you to obtain
Take care
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Hello All,
I'm the Great Great Grandaughter of Frederick Octavius Lewis, Peter and Tirzah's son.
I'm very interested is viewing any photos or paintings that one might have.
All the Best,
Colleen