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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Derry (Londonderry) => Topic started by: AliJ20 on Monday 18 July 11 19:40 BST (UK)
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I am trying to trace my family in Northern Ireland
My great grandmother was Matilda Campbell who was 24 in 1911 and lived on Nassau Street, her parents were William Campbell and Jane (Easter?) I think they lived in Nassau Street and Charlotte Street.
My great grandfather was James Burnett who I believe came from Donegal before moving to Londonderry were my grandmother was born on Nassau Street
As there is no records available after 1901 I would really appreciate any help to continue with my search
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Here's the Campbell family in 1901-
www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Londonderry/No__2_Urban__South_Ward/Charlotte_Street/1535960
In 1911 they are in Rosemount Terrace-
www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Londonderry/Londonderry_Urban__1_/Rosemount_Terrace/601661
If you are trying to trace the family forward online it will be difficult since the online civil registration index only goes up to 1921, latest available census is 1901 and few church records are online.
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Hi thanks for the information, I realised I worded things a little wrong in my post, I meant to say that I could not go any further back to before 1901.
:)
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That's okay- going back before 1901 probably will be easier :)
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I hoped it would be but it seems all records were destroyed by fire for the cenuses of 1861 to 1891 :(
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Hi,
Census records may have been destroyed but civil and church records remain. 23 Dec 1907 James Burnett married Matilda Campbell in Claremont Presbyterian Church, City of Londonderry.
Regards
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Hi, thank you that was some good information, how can I access the civil and church records?
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Hi,
Very few church records are on-line but most are available on microfilm in the Public Record Office in Belfast. Civil records are on-line on the Familysearch Beta site.
Records
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Here are James Burnett and family in 1911 census-
www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Londonderry/Londonderry_Urban__1_/Nassau_Street_Lower/601287
Think this is James in 1901 with his family- note father named Andrew and in 1911 James' infant son was also called Andrew (marriage record would confirm father's name and occupation)-
www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Donegal/Redcastle/Drung_continued/1186235
In 1911 Catherine Burnett is head of household- 2 of the children at home along with a grandson and two nephews-
www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Donegal/Redcastle/Drung/496363
From LDS database www.familysearch.org:
Andrew Burnett death Jan./Mar.1911 (age 73) Inishowen registration district, volume 2 page 93.
Isabella Burnett born 1 May 1875 Fermanagh (Andy Burnett and Catharine Harbison)
William Harbison Burnett born 10 Mar.1878 Donegal (mother Catherine Harbison)
Robert Burnett born 14 Nov.1880 Drung, Co. Donegal (parents Andrew Burnett and Cathrine Halieson)- Halieson is probably a mistransription of Harbison
Another possible child from LDS database-
Henry Burnett born 31 Mar.1873 Co,Donegal (parents Andrew Burnett & Cathrine Herbertson)
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Another Burnett family living in Drung in 1901 possibly related-
www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Donegal/Redcastle/Drung_continued/1186260
Son Joseph Burnett in 1911-
www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Donegal/Moville/Main_Street/496099
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Hi,
17 Mar 1870 Andrew Burnett married Catherine Harbison in Limavady 1st Presbyterian Church, Co. Londonderry.
Regards
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Hi,
The 1873 birth for Henry was registered in Moville which is very close to Redcastle.
Regards
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Hi,
In the Griffiths Valuation (1857 for Co. Donegal) a Robert Burnett held a 43 Acre farm in the Townland of Drung, Co. Donegal.
Regards
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Thank you for all the information, I will certainly be looking at it all and seeing where it all fits in
;D
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I see the Baptism of daughter Mary Anne Campbell in 1882 Carlisle Rd. Presbyterian Church, Londonderry, Father William Campbell mother first name Essay
Seems to be a bit of confusion over mothers first name when sister Sarah Caldwell was christened at same church in 1887 mothers name is Hessie, she was also known as Hessie on sister Margaret's christening in 1884
Maybe 7 christenings for couple recorded at church haven't time at the moment to check all
Joe
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Easter, Esther, Hester, Hessie, Essie (and even Essay) are all interchangeable.
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Think I see marriage for couple although Hessie now known as Mary Jane, perhaps Hessie Etc. was a pet name?
William Campbell=Mary Jane Gilfillon 25th August 1881 Carlisle Rd. Pres. Ch.
Grooms fathers name was Joseph Campbell
Joe
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Quick update
Marriage confirmed against Civil birth record for Margaret in 1884, father William Campbell mother Esther Gilfillian, Londonderry Urban N0.2
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Church record transcription may have been mistranscribed, Civil record of marriage has name as Eacey Jane Gilfillan rather than Mary
name: Eacey Jane Gilfillan
registration district: Londonderry
event type: MARRIAGES
registration quarter and year: Jul - Sep 1881
Joe
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Thanks again for all the info, I am going away for a few days but will be looking at everything and see where it goes
:D
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Hi.
My Name is Leonora Jackaman. I am from England. I have been trying to trace my family roots in
Northern ireland, and came across your posting. I have only just joined 'Rootschat' and I know your posting is three years old now.
I think the James you are talking about was the brother of Martha and Henry -whose parents were Catherine and Andrew Burnett. They were my great Grandparents. Catherine was originally from Londonderry. Martha, her daughter was my Grandmother.
I don't know how much information you have. Maybe your history of Ireland was handed down to you orally. Mine wasn't. But although Catherine my great Grandmother and your Great great Grandmother's maiden name was Harbison, I can't find any trace of her in Ireland before she met and married Andrew Burnett. I'm sure she was born in 1843, but There is no mention of her on the 1851 census. A posting says she was married in limavady 17th march 1870.
I would like to find her maiden name if I could. Do you have this information?
I know your Great Grandfather James married a Matilda Campbell, but I don't know which of their children went to America. I hope you pick up this posting.
thank you.
Leonora
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Hi again sorry!
I meant to ask, do you have any information on Catherine Harbison's siblings -not her maiden name. I already have that. Or is this too far back?
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... But although Catherine my great Grandmother and your Great great Grandmother's maiden name was Harbison, I can't find any trace of her in Ireland before she met and married Andrew Burnett. I'm sure she was born in 1843, but There is no mention of her on the 1851 census. A posting says she was married in limavady 17th march 1870.
I would like to find her maiden name if I could. Do you have this information?
Catherine's name was Harbison- details posted earlier.
The 1851 census for Co. Londonderry does not survive. A church record of her baptism will probably be the only earlier record you'll find (marriages usually take place in bride's church so 1st Limavady Presbyterian is probably best place to start) other than maybe a school register entry which will be harder to track down (if it exists) and give less detail.
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Hi,
The Griffiths Valuation lists two Harbison heads of household in the Limavady area. The date of publication was 1858 for Co.londonderry. There is a Robert who lives in Ballyclose (now Ballyclose Street), who rented a house and a James who had a large farm in Irish terms in the townland of Drumramer, just to the east of Limavady.
Regards
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Hi,
Proni have a copy of the will of James Harbison which mentions various children including a daughter Catherine. See http://applications.proni.gov.uk/DCAL_PRONI_WillsCalendar/WillsSearch.aspx
Regards
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Hi again,
One other small point, the Rev George W. Hamill, an executor of the will, was the minister of Limavady First Presbyterian Church from 1860 to 1916. This is where Catherine was married.
Regards
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Thank you for your help.
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I am going to try and get a marriage certificate for Catherine and Andrew Burnett, married in Limavady.
I don't know what the contents of a marriage certificate contained in 1870. Would anybody know if it
gives the names of the Bride's parents and Grooms parents.
I need these to complete my family tree.
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Hi,
It will give the fathers' names but not the mothers'.
Regards
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Fathers' names are James Harbinson and Robert Burnett.
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Thank you so very much for that information.
That is a great help.
The Robert Burnett who is mentioned in an earlier post
who had some land I believe -in 1857, must -think be the same Robert
who attended the wedding.
This is great.
Thank you once again.
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Hi,
I think that it was James Harbison who held the land in 1858. As already mentioned, he had a daughter called Catherine.
Regards
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Oh!
But in an earlier posting on 19th July 2011 it mentions a Robert Burnett 1857 held a 43 acre farm in Drung Donegal.
Then on sat 20th Dec 2014 posting, it mentions a James Harbison who had a large farm in Drumramer near Limavady.
Did they both have these farms?
These two ancestors I'm now sure are both my great great Grandfathers.
Apparently Griffiths valuations of the time listed them both as having land.
Would you know how I can find out?
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Hi
I have found Griffiths valuations.
And I have located Robert Burnett from Drung Donegal who had land 43 acres.
Also James Harbison also who also 62 acres in Derry.
Thank you very much for your help in finding this out for me.
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Would anybody know where I can find property ownership/tenancy after Griffiths valuation
1860. I am looking from 1911 up to 1956.
Thank you.
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PRONI has scanned images of Valuation Revision Books that run from the printed version of Griffith's until c1930 but only for Northern Ireland counties. For other Irish counties try National Archives catalogue.
http://www.proni.gov.uk/index/search_the_archives/val12b.htm
http://www.nationalarchives.ie/
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Hi my Grandfather was James Burnett born in Drung, Donegal, married to Matilda Campbell. They did live in Nassau Street, Londonderry before moving to Mount Street. They had 12 children including a set of twins. My father Robert Burnett was the youngest. My fathers cousin Roy Burnett still lives on the family farm in Drung. His sister Cissie lives nearby.
We hold a family bible that lists all the births, marriages and deaths for James and Miltida's family.
We are obviously related, one of your parents will be my cousin.
Regards Carol Burnett
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Hi!
Nice to hear from you. You mention you have a family bible that lists members of your Family.
You may already have this information, but I will send it anyway.
My Great Grandfather was Andrew Burnett born in Drung Donegal in 1834 and died 1872. He married Catherine Harbison who was from Derry.
So these two people would be our Great Grandparents.
their children were William born 1878
Isabella born 1875
Robert Burnett born 1880
James Burnett born 1883 (your Grandfather)
Henry Burnett born 1872
Martha Burnett (My Grandmother)
Jane Burnett.
I know your Grandfather left Donegal and went to live in Londonderry.
My Grandmother Martha also left Donegal, Married my Grandfather and went to live in Derry too.
I do not have a lot of information on the rest of their family, but I do know that Robert their son, stayed in Drung and ran the farm.
I don't know if you have this information but, our Great Grandfather Andrew's Father was also a Robert Burnett, born -I believe in late 1700 or early 1800. in Drung.So he would be our great great Grandfather. I have no information on his wife.
Our great Grandparents Andrew and Catherine, their son Robert who married a Martha. (So many Martha's and Catherines) are all buried in Greenbank Cemetery Drung Donegal.
My Grandmother Martha -James sister as I said married and moved to Derry.
They had six children -my Mother being one of them. My Mother married an Englishman and moved to England. I remember being taken as a very young child back to Londonderry to visit relations
and my Mother said we were going to see 'Uncle James'. I do not know if this was your Grandfather,
I was too young, but I do remember a very old man.
You say they had 12 children. I found out through this website that one or two of James children
went to America. I assume you are one of the descendants. So yes we are related -albeit distantly.
If you have any more information regarding the relatives from Drung Donegal -for example what happened to the rest of James and Martha's brothers and sisters I would be grateful.
I know that one of the brothers Henry, went to Derry and worked in the textile trade. Robert stayed and worked the farm. but William, Isabella and Jane -I have no information on.
lovely to talk to you.