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This is a long shot
I am trying to find a photo of this long gone church and graveyard. Located across the road from what is now MCFC "Eastlands" football ground
The images website does not have any :'(
Might have to be a readers letter in the local rag I think :)
Regards
Ken
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There is a photograph of Christ Church, Carfax Street, Bradford in the Manchester image collection, images 41-60. Is this the church you mean?
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Hi Berrie
Yep - seen that one but it is the wrong one.
The church I am after was surrounded on all four sides by
Church Street
Wovenden Street
Victoria Street
Cowper Street
Just across Ashton New Road - south of Bradford Iron Works
Ken :)
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Do you think that one of those streets may have been re-named Carfax Street? I've found those names on a map but not Carfax Street. I would have thought it unlikely that there would be two churches called Christ Church in Bradford.
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Found a map of Bradford in the 60's and Church Street seems to have been renamed Charlesworth Street and Wovenden Street Woodvale Street. Can't find Victoria Street but Cowper Street was still there.
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Do you think that one of those streets may have been re-named Carfax Street? I've found those names on a map but not Carfax Street. I would have thought it unlikely that there would be two churches called Christ Church in Bradford.
Carfax Street is still there in Gorton M18
All them street were cleared during the slum clearance of the 60's/70's
Great map to show location of the streets and church
http://www.artus-familyhistory.com/Manchester%201935/2c%201935.html
Ken :)
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There is a picture of Christ Church School, which was opposite the church I think, with an an address on Charlesworth Street.
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I think the council website photo is the right one Ken and Berrie, but it's been wrongly labelled.
Genuki have a photo of a church called Calvary which was on the corner of Cross Lane and Carfax St, which as you say is in Gorton, next door to Bradford
http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/LAN/Gorton/Calvary.shtml
I've got a drawing of Christ Church Bradford in an old book, and it has a spire, like the one in the council photo.
Book is called "Like a Mighty Tortoise" (yes really ;D) by the Rev. Arthur Dobb, and its a history of the diocese of Manchester. Rev Dobb was an architect before he was ordained so he's done a lot of the illustrations for the book himself, including this one.
Maybe he couldn't find a photo either!
:) Barbara
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Hi Barbara
Interesting thought but still not convinced, miss labelling could be right for the Carfax St one, but I don't think it is the Christ Church of Bradford.
The Carfax St photo shows a church in a cross shape and no land.
Maps of the Christ Church show it a different shape to the Carfax photo and was located in the middle of it's own large graveyard, the familysearch images has burials from 1863-1943 so must have been fairly large
But still keeping an open mind 8)
Amazon has that book I might just invest ;D
Ken :)
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Yes I'm not really convinced either. Also that 'Carfax St' pic is dated 1967 and there is also a photo of the cleared Christ Church site dated 1964 (listed as Christ Church Openshaw) http://www.rootschat.com/links/0ede/
And yet.. the clearance site pic has a row of little huts in the background. Could they be the same row of huts in the front of the 'Carfax St' photo?
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0edf/
If so it would mean the Carfax St photo shows Christ Church spire from the back, but with another building between the huts and the spire. The wall beyond those huts would the Christ Church graveyard.
Hard to believe there isn't another photo of it somewhere to clarify!
:) Barbara
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Well at least looking into your query has solved one of mine! I tried to find a photo of Church Street, where my gt gt grandmother was living in the 1890's and found that had been renamed Charlesworth street. And there is a photo of that!
Perhaps the Manchester Evening News has a photo of Christ Church in their archives.
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Nice one Berrie and I think Barbara could also be right
Just found in a corner of a map from 1915 the actual footprint of Christ Church and it sure looks like the so called Carfax St church.
Looking at the map from the angel of the photo - School in back ground, church, place for row of houses (now garages) but more importantly is what was next to the houses, very large buildings and these show up on both the photos.
Now I am convinced 90% that the church photo was taken on Cowper St and the clearance photo taken on Church St before it was renamed Charlesworth St.
Just before I turned off my pc last night I did a search on rootschat and found a thread Liverpool Annie posted which both me and Barbara were involved - Oh how memory fades ;D
What ever happened to Liverpool Annie?
But still not happy I need a better photo ;)
Ken :)
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Yes I'm not really convinced either. Also that 'Carfax St' pic is dated 1967 and there is also a photo of the cleared Christ Church site dated 1964 (listed as Christ Church Openshaw) http://www.rootschat.com/links/0ede/
And yet.. the clearance site pic has a row of little huts in the background. Could they be the same row of huts in the front of the 'Carfax St' photo?
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0edf/
If so it would mean the Carfax St photo shows Christ Church spire from the back, but with another building between the huts and the spire. The wall beyond those huts would the Christ Church graveyard.
Hard to believe there isn't another photo of it somewhere to clarify!
:) Barbara
First of all I can confirm without doubt this is a picture of Christ Church Bradford as I lived just a few streets away until mid 1960.
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0edf/
This photo shows the rear of the church with Christ Church Primary school in the distance on Charlesworth Street with the small spire above it. The entrance to the church was on Charlsworth Street that was re-named from Church Street. (I don’t know when it was re-named.) I lived in Jenkyn Street which was 4 streets away from this view that was also re-named as it was known as John Street. The grave yard was all around the church.
This picture was taken following the demolition of the Church and taken from Charlesworth Street outside Christ Church School, Bradford NOT Openshaw as it states.
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0ede/
I recently had some help from a local historian who gave me a lot of info regarding the Church and the whereabouts of the records for the graves. There are some articles in the archives from the MEN that he very kindly linked me to that give information and some pictures of the demolition in progress at the time.
Hope this helps. ;) :)
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Certainly does help! :D :D
:) Barbara
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Yes I'm not really convinced either. Also that 'Carfax St' pic is dated 1967 and there is also a photo of the cleared Christ Church site dated 1964 (listed as Christ Church Openshaw) http://www.rootschat.com/links/0ede/
And yet.. the clearance site pic has a row of little huts in the background. Could they be the same row of huts in the front of the 'Carfax St' photo?
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0edf/
If so it would mean the Carfax St photo shows Christ Church spire from the back, but with another building between the huts and the spire. The wall beyond those huts would the Christ Church graveyard.
Hard to believe there isn't another photo of it somewhere to clarify!
:) Barbara
First of all I can confirm without doubt this is a picture of Christ Church Bradford as I lived just a few streets away until mid 1960.
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0edf/
This photo shows the rear of the church with Christ Church Primary school in the distance on Charlesworth Street with the small spire above it. The entrance to the church was on Charlsworth Street that was re-named from Church Street. (I don’t know when it was re-named.) I lived in Jenkyn Street which was 4 streets away from this view that was also re-named as it was known as John Street. The grave yard was all around the church.
This picture was taken following the demolition of the Church and taken from Charlesworth Street outside Christ Church School, Bradford NOT Openshaw as it states.
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0ede/
I recently had some help from a local historian who gave me a lot of info regarding the Church and the whereabouts of the records for the graves. There are some articles in the archives from the MEN that he very kindly linked me to that give information and some pictures of the demolition in progress at the time.
Hope this helps. ;) :)
Hi Mal 19
You are a star :D
The reason for this thread was I found out my Gt Gt GF was buried there after years of hunting for him also 4 weddings have taken place, including a double wedding on the same day for my family.
Do you know of any better photos of the church and it's graveyard. I know it is 0% chance of a grave photo but just to get an idea of it was like would finish off these hunt.
As for the older church records - http://www.rootschat.com/links/0edr/
Next would be to convince the Manchester Archives they have it wrong.
Thanks once again
Ken :)
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Have emailed them - lets see if they do the corrections ;)
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Have emailed them - lets see if they do the corrections ;)
They have - photos now renamed ;D
Christ Church (Church of England), Charlesworth Street, Bradford, from Cowper Street
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Charlesworth Street, Bradford, site of Christ Church
Ken :)
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But still cannot find any more of the church :'(
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But still cannot find any more of the church :'(
Great that they have taken notice eh. thanks for taking the time in the first place :-*
I'll carry on looking for further pictures and will get back in touch if I find any. ;)
M :-*
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This is a long shot
I am trying to find a photo of this long gone church and graveyard. Located across the road from what is now MCFC "Eastlands" football ground
The images website does not have any :'(
Might have to be a readers letter in the local rag I think :)
Regards
Ken
That is Christ Church, My grandparents were married there, My grandfather used to point the steeple. The Church was roughly behind the New Royal picture house. The old rectory is still there.
The cemetry was emptied my knowledge around 1965. I used to play in the ruins as the church was being
pulled down. The land was de-concecrated and the land now forms part of the school playing fields
regards dave
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Mal,
You said you had some info regarding the records for christ church in Bradford? Do you have records relating to the Rector of Christ Church in 1925 please?
I have a marriage record and wanted to confirm their marriage at this church. The record shows a Rector named Cretney performed the ceremony.
regards
David
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Hi Muttley99
This link should take you to the marriage register for Bradford Christ Church. It only goes up to 1924 but you can check the vicar's name to see if it is the same one
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-266-12575-52878-66?cc=1788853&wc=M6FC-SP8:143838901,146460401,146748701
Heather
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Heather,
Thank you very much. I didn't realise these records were available as I've been using ancestry.com.
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hi ken i have also been looking for a picture of christ church when it was pulled down they built a school on the grounds i used to go to bradford memorial school and christ church was our church
ill keep on looking also good luck ken
jean
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Hi Jean.
Mancsman is no longer a member on RootsChat but I have found some images from you
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01f80/ (http://www.rootschat.com/links/01f80/)
There are 5 or 6 on the Manchester image archive
http://images.manchester.gov.uk
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posting on behalf of jowens48
Regards
Sarah :)
hi just found a drawing of christ church bradford
iwww.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/LAN/Bradford/ChristChurch.shtml
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Try contacting Graham Stringer MP for Blakeley,He was our drum leader in the Christ Church Lads Brigade