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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Kirkcudbrightshire => Topic started by: orkboyz on Monday 02 May 05 11:25 BST (UK)
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Hoping to find 'cousins?' descended from Samuel Thomson and Catherine McCubbin/MaCubban/McCubbing married Aug 05,1810 Troqueer.
Samuel b.c.1789 d.Jan 14,1874 Auchenfadd, Troqueer
Catherine b.c.1791 Caerlaverock d.Jul 11,1859
Both buried Sweetheart Abbey, New Abbey.
More of my Thomsons buried Sweetheart Abbey. I have details of the MIs.
Some of my Thomsons linked to the farm at Drumburn, which passed into family Shuttleworth
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I have Thomson's in my family tree, not sure if there of your line though Robert Thomson born 15 Jun 1831 Summerhill Crossmichael,
son of Samuel Thomson and Janet Turner buried New Abbey Sweetheart Abbey Kirkcudbrightshire
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Contact thomcupar for more info.
Hoping to find 'cousins?' descended from Samuel Thomson and Catherine McCubbin/MaCubban/McCubbing married Aug 05,1810 Troqueer.
Samuel b.c.1789 d.Jan 14,1874 Auchenfadd, Troqueer
Catherine b.c.1791 Caerlaverock d.Jul 11,1859
Both buried Sweetheart Abbey, New Abbey.
More of my Thomsons buried Sweetheart Abbey. I have details of the MIs.
Some of my Thomsons linked to the farm at Drumburn, which passed into family Shuttleworth
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Hi,Samuel Thomson and Janet Turner are my GGGParents,Roberts brother John is myGG grandfather,Joseph his son my G grandfather and John his son my Grandfather.William his son is my father..please reply!
I have Thomson's in my family tree, not sure if there of your line though Robert Thomson born 15 Jun 1831 Summerhill Crossmichael,
son of Samuel Thomson and Janet Turner buried New Abbey Sweetheart Abbey Kirkcudbrightshire
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Hi,
Your long lost cousin here.
gg granddaughter of Catherine McCubbin and Samuel Thomson.
Also in touch with a third cousin another gg grandchild.
We would both like to make contact with you.
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Hello there, great to hear from you!
I am a little confused as although Samuel Thomson is my GGGgrandfather ,his wife was Janet Turner ,not Catherine McCubbin ? Maybe there was a second marriage or something I have not come across? Hope to hear from you again soon.My email is (*)
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Hi
I am a gg granddaughter of Catherine McCubbin and Samuel Thomson.
Should be delighted to hear from you
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Hi I have a Mary Thomson 1769 -1841 who was married to Samuel Denniston 1771-1840 from the buittle area wonder if this links up with you ?
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Hi Mrs Wibs and ChrisWibs
Wondering if you can help please ?
In the 1841 census, Catherine and Samuel THOMSON have living with them, a six-year old (bc 1835) child, named "John WELSH". (In 1851, this same child is living with Samuel, and is confirmed as his "grandson".)
Do you have any knowledge of which THOMSON child is the parent of John WELSH ?
John came to New Zealand around 1863, married rather late in life and had six children. His (NZ) death certificate (of 1903) names his parents as "Samuel and Catherine WELSH (nee McCUBBIN)". ?? ("John Thomson WELSH" is recorded on his gravestone). John's parentage and place of birth, were not noted on his marriage certificate (it wasn't a requirement at that time) - Kirkcudbrightshire though is shown as his birthplace on a son's birth cert.
Do the names "GRIERSON" and "GLEN" have some meaning ?
(Two of John's children bore these names - another three had the THOMSON name appended as a third christian name).
Grateful for any light you can shed.
Thanks. :)
~ Lu
(in NZ)
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Have sent a reply privately to Lucy requesting some information on John Welsh
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Hi ChrisWibs
Thank you for responding. I have just been notified though that I no longer have access to the personal messaging (PM) system here, so have been unable to view the information you have sent.
Is it possible please, for you place the information on this thread ?
Thanks.
Lucy2
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Hi there,
Yes, though it looks as though I can't access the original to copy it for you! I will dig it out again and put it on here in the next couple of days. I had hoped to give you my personal e mail which is in the response but which I'm not allowed to post. Do you know when you can get back to PM?
I would like you think you will reciprocate with your information about John Welsh who was my grandmother's cousin.
Christine
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Dear Christine
Thank you again. I do however want to apologise, because, in retrospect, it was most unfair of me to request details via this thread, when you had already so generously provided these privately. :)
Please would you now ignore my request for same.
It was always my intention to reciprocate with details about John and I would have liked very much to share further information with you but the PM ban (permanent) which has been imposed, makes this difficult and I can't immediately see a solution. And yes, we must abide by the rules of this forum (- me especially). Sorry for any inconvenience I may have caused you.
Sincerely,
~ Lu
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Oh no, I will do them, not least because I want the details for John!!
I'm a bit unsure why you can't send me a private communication? Or see mine...
The mother of John Welsh was Jean Thomson 1810-
My cousin thinks she was married to John's father another John Welsh but personally I don't and your information points to them not being married.
Don't know about the name Glen but do know about Grierson. The Griersons were a prominent family in New Abbey. In fact a Grierson is listed as being a prominent New Abbey resident.
Samuel, my gt gt grandfather was the illegitimate son of John Thomson 1748-1806 of Millhill Farm Troqueer by his servant Janet Dowell or Weel abt 1765-?. That is noted in the register of Samuel's death.
Millhill Farm is miles from anywhere. We went in the summer and if we could communicate properly I could send you a picture. Samuel Thomsons lived at Auchenfaad Cottage again very remote but near Millhill and Catherine and Samuel's children were Christened at Millhill Farm. Samuel worked as a shepherd at Millhill Farm all his life and at his death was noted as the widower of Catherine McCubbin. Samuel and Catherine are buried near to the other Thomsons at New Abbey, in fact next to John Thomson's mother Agnes Lewars.
When Catherine died she was noted by Samuel to be the daughter of unknown father and Isabella unknown but in the 1841 census there is an old lady Isabella Thomson living with the family at Auchenfaad and my cousin and I think she was Catherine's mother.
Catherine is noted on the family grave as Catherine Mcuban. Again I have photos which I could send if we could communicate. Are you on Facebook or Ancestry?
Back to the Griersons. John Thomson father of Samuel in about 1800 married Jane Grierson 1771-1852. They had 3 legitimate children one of whom another John Thomson inherited the farm. Another lost inheritance! ;D
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Dear Christine
Thank you so much for all that super information - it is very much appreciated. :)
And great news ! Thanks to an extraordinary kindness, a way has been found for us to communicate offsite. Details should reach you shortly. Once in contact, I can then forward you all I have for the John WELSH family.
Again, thanks ... and I look foward to "talking" further.
Regards
~ Lu
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Lucy2
I am, or at least I thought I was, a Gr Gr Grandson of your Samual and Catherine Welsh. I am the grandson of Agnes Hutton Nye (nee Welsh), daughter of John and Lizzie Welsh.
My info has also come from a copy of John Thomson Welsh's death cert.
However my info, which was verbal, has him coming to NZ approx. 1874.
I was also told by my mother that J T Welsh had another brother who came to NZ.
Have you any knowledge of this?
I am a newby and cannot send a PM yet.
Bevan NZ
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Hi,
You have probably gathered I am connected and have a lot of information though at the NZ end it was given by Lucy2.
Some of it is pretty sensitive and shouldn't go on a public forum so might I suggest that you make the neccessary number of postings and we can send you private messages.
Chris
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Hi Chris
My Gr Mother was Agnes Hutton Welsh, doughter of John Thomson Welsh. Are you aware of any connection between the Hutton's, Thomson's or Welsh families in Kirkcudbright area?
Bevan NZ
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Hi, Just read these messages and thought I would just post this info if anyone is interested my Connection is through Margaret McGuffog her parents are my Gt Grandparents
Robert Thomson was born on 15 Jun 1831 in Summerhill Crossmichael, Kirkcudbright, Scotland as the third child of Samuel Thomson and Janet Turner. He had two siblings, namely: John, and Agnes. He died on 10 Dec 1868 in Kelston, Llanasa, Flintshire, Wales. When he was 24, he married Margaret McGuffog of Kirkpatrick Durham,daughter of James McGuffog of Crossmichael and Anne Broadfoot, on 02 Oct 1855 in Urr Parish Kirkcudbright Meikle Cocklick.
Robert Thomson was buried in Flintshire. He was employed as a Farmed Kelston Llanassah. He was known by the title of Of Flintshire,. He lived in Urr, Kirkcudbrightshire, Scotland in 1841. He lived in Blaiket, Urr, Kirkcudbrightshire, Scotland in 1851 (Iomtoocupner farmer living with his brother John and wife Elizabeth). He owned Nether Barcaple (now Valleyfield) in 1861 in Valleyfield Farm House, Tongland, Kirkcudbrightshire, Scotland. He lived in Valleyfield Farm House, Tongland, Kirkcudbrightshire, Scotland in 1861 (Farmer Of 260 Acres Employing 6 Labourer & Boy Surname here is spelt Thomason). Other: 15 Feb 1869 in Principal Registry (Probate date Effects under 2000 pound left to his wife)
Robert Thomson and Margaret McGuffog of Kirkpatrick Durham had the following children:
James Thomson was born on 06 Dec 1855 in Meikle Cocklick, Urr, Scotland. He died on 22 Sep 1897 in Liverpool, Lancashire, England (Of Prescott Rd Stanley, Publican). He married Henrietta Edwards on 16 Feb 1881 in Liverpool St Nicholas, Lancashire.
Agnes Thomson was born on 03 Aug 1857 in Valleyfield, Tongland, Kirkcudbright, Scotland. She married George Potter in Apr 1913 in East Ward, Westmorland.
Annie Thomson Single was born on 15 Dec 1858 in Valleyfield, Tongland, Kirkcudbright, Scotland. She died in scotland.
Samuel Thomson was born on 18 Jun 1860 in Valleyfield, Kirkcudbright Parish Of Tongland. He died on 11 Oct 1923 in Brixton, Surrey, England.
Margaret J Thomson was born on 25 Jan 1862 in Tongland, Kirkcudbright, Scotland. She died in Wales.
John (Arcadia Jack) Thomson was born about 1864 in Flintshire County, Wales, United Kingdom.
Robert Edward Thomson was born on 01 May 1865 in Kelston, Llansea North Wales. He died on 15 Aug 1959 in Sydney, New South Wales, Australia. He married Margaret Jane (Jeanie) Steel on 05 Dec 1895 in Walcha, New South Wales, Australia.
Herbert Thomas Thomson was born about 1867 in Flintshire County, Wales, United Kingdom. He died on 25 Feb 1940 in Glasgow, Lanarkshire, Scotland.
Maxwell Alexander Thomson was born in Sep 1868 in Llanasa, Flintshire, Wales. He married Annie Rebecca Iddenden on 15 Jan 1898 in Lambeth, Middlesex, England.