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Title: CRAN/WATT
Post by: orkboyz on Monday 02 May 05 11:49 BST (UK)
Hoping to make more connections.

I have CRAN Auchterless and Fyvie.

I have WATT Inverurie, Kemnay and others.

GOLDSMAN also features in the line.

Specifically Goldsman Cran/Sarah Watt my 2g/grandparents
Goldsman b. Jan 07,1872 Millbrex, Fyvie
Sarah b. Mar 30,1878 Brownhill, Kemnay
They married Aug 04,1899 Kemnay

Title: Re: CRAN/WATT
Post by: maclennan25 on Saturday 07 May 05 10:39 BST (UK)
do these extracts from 1881 census help?

   Dwelling:   Brownhill
   Census Place:   Kemnay, Aberdeen, Scotland
   Source:   FHL Film 0203458     GRO Ref    Volume 207    EnumDist 4    Page 6
   Marr   Age   Sex   Birthplace
William WATT   M   40    M   Keithhall, Aberdeen, Scotland
   Rel:   Head
   Occ:   Crofter
Mary Ann WATT   M   38    F   Inverurie, Aberdeen, Scotland
   Rel:   Wife
   Occ:   Wife
George WATT   U   16    M   Inverurie, Aberdeen, Scotland
   Rel:   Son
   Occ:   Quarry Worker
Maggie WATT       12    F   Inverurie, Aberdeen, Scotland
   Rel:   Dau
   Occ:   Scholar
James WATT       11    M   Inverurie, Aberdeen, Scotland
   Rel:   Son
   Occ:   Scholar
Isabella WATT       10    F   Kemnay, Aberdeen, Scotland
   Rel:   Dau
   Occ:   Scholar
Susan A. WATT       9    F   Kemnay, Aberdeen, Scotland
   Rel:   Dau
   Occ:   Scholar
Williamina WATT       7    F   Kemnay, Aberdeen, Scotland
   Rel:   Dau
   Occ:   Scholar
William WATT       6    M   Kemnay, Aberdeen, Scotland
   Rel:   Son
   Occ:   Scholar
Mary J. WATT       5    F   Kemnay, Aberdeen, Scotland
   Rel:   Dau
Elizabeth WATT       4    F   Kemnay, Aberdeen, Scotland
   Rel:   Dau
Sarah WATT       3    F   Kemnay, Aberdeen, Scotland
   Rel:   Dau
Barbara WATT       2    F   Kemnay, Aberdeen, Scotland
   Rel:   Dau



   Dwelling:   Woodhead
   Census Place:   Fyvie, Aberdeen, Scotland
   Source:   FHL Film 0203456     GRO Ref    Volume 197    EnumDist 9    Page 17
   Marr   Age   Sex   Birthplace
Robert CRAN   M   43    M   Fyvie, Aberdeen, Scotland
   Rel:   Head
   Occ:   Boot & Shoe Maker Employing One Man
Elsie CRAN   M   43    F   Auchterless, Aberdeen, Scotland
   Rel:   Wife
   Occ:   Shoemk Wife
Golderman CRAN       9    M   Fyvie, Aberdeen, Scotland
   Rel:   Son
   Occ:   Scholar
George H. CRAN       6    M   Canada
   Rel:   Son
   Occ:   Scholar


kind regards,
Lorna.
Title: Re: CRAN/WATT
Post by: orkboyz on Saturday 07 May 05 11:47 BST (UK)
Lorna,

Many thanks, but I do have those details. They are my line. It was Sarah Watt (3 at the census) who married Golderman - actually Goldsman - Cran (9 at the census).

I obtained a huge amount of data on the Watt side by stumbling across a 'distant cousin' in NZ. However the Cran side is proving a 'tough nut'. One of the oddest points is re George H. Cran being born in Canada. Another mountain to climb I suppose!!!  :(

I am on a number of Rootsweb mailing lists, but, so far, without too much luck. I had hoped to flush out another 'rellie' following the same line

Thanks again,
David Thomson



Title: Re: CRAN/WATT
Post by: monique on Monday 20 June 05 02:33 BST (UK)
My great grandmother Margaret Watt married Kenneth Sutherland.They lived at Hill of Corskie. Kemnay .Mygrandmother Helen Christina Sutherland born 1870,she married George Malcolm of Craigearm1895.My father George Malcolm born 1895 came to Australia around 1920
Title: Re: CRAN/WATT
Post by: Qualtrough on Wednesday 20 July 05 05:49 BST (UK)
Hi,

I am searching for family of David Watt(s).

The only thing I know so far is he came from Scotland, no record of parents.  He went to Isle of Man and married Jane Qualtrough on October 20, 1808 at Rushen.

Regards,

Tim
Title: Re: CRAN/WATT
Post by: maclennan25 on Wednesday 20 July 05 09:08 BST (UK)
hi monique,

not sure if you have 1881 census info, but here it is along with a couple of other things...

Dwelling:   Hill Of Corskie
   Census Place:   Cluny, Aberdeen, Scotland
   Source:   FHL Film 0203453     GRO Ref    Volume 181    EnumDist 4    Page 3
   Marr   Age   Sex   Birthplace
Kenneth SUTHERLAND   M   55    M   Latheron, Caithness, Scotland
   Rel:   Head
   Occ:   Farmer 9 Acres Arable
Margaret SUTHERLAND   M   53    F   Monymusk, Aberdeen, Scotland
   Rel:   Wife
   Occ:   Farmers Wife
Kenneth SUTHERLAND   U   20    M   Monymusk, Aberdeen, Scotland
   Rel:   Son
   Occ:   Square Wright
William SUTHERLAND   U   18    M   Skene, Aberdeen, Scotland
   Rel:   Son
   Occ:   General Lab.
Helen SUTHERLAND       10    F   Cluny, Aberdeen, Scotland
   Rel:   Daur
   Occ:   Scholar
Mary Ann SMITH          3    F   Cluny, Aberdeen, Scotland
   Rel:   Boarder


KENNETH SUTHERLAND 
  Spouse:  MARGARET WATT 
  Marriage:  11 FEB 1860   Monymusk, Aberdeen, Scotland

KENNETH SUTHERLAND 
  Male     
 Birth:  16 JUN 1860   Monymusk, Aberdeen, Scotland
  Father:  KENNETH SUTHERLAND 
  Mother:  MARGARET WATT 

WILLIAM SUTHERLAND 
  Male     
 Birth:  10 SEP 1862   Skene, Aberdeen, Scotland
  Father:  KENNETH SUTHERLAND 
  Mother:  MARGARET WATT 

ELIZABETH SUTHERLAND 
  Female     
 Birth:  30 NOV 1864   Cluny, Aberdeen, Scotland
  Father:  KENNETH SUTHERLAND 
  Mother:  MARGARET WATT 

HELEN CHRISTINA SUTHERLAND 
  Female     
 Birth:  12 OCT 1870   Cluny, Aberdeen, Scotland
  Father:  KENNETH SUTHERLAND 
  Mother:  MARGARET WATT 

 
Sp have one match (death records) for margaret sutherland other surnames watt in cluny, aberdeen in 1911 aged 83 years.
i didnt look at the actual cert, so cant be sure it is the correct one. although age almost fits with age at 1881 census and area where they were living at time of 1881 census also matches...
if it is the correct one, it would give you her both her parents names and also her mothers maiden surname if known by person registering her death.

there is also 1 other match (death records) for margaret sutherland other surnames watt in aberdeen, but i didnt look for district because she died in 1953 aged 81 which would make her born c1872 snd obviously isnt the correct one.

i hope this helps a little.

kind regards,
Lorna.
Title: Re: CRAN/WATT
Post by: monique on Wednesday 20 July 05 14:16 BST (UK)
Hi Lorna
Thank you Helen Christina Sutherland is my Granmother are you related to the Kemnay Watt family ? Are the Kemnay Watt family related to the Balliter Watt family.My Husband has relatives in Melbourne Victoria Australia who are related to the Balliter Watt family.
hope to hear from you.
thanks Monique
Title: Re: CRAN/WATT
Post by: maclennan25 on Wednesday 20 July 05 17:14 BST (UK)
Hi Monique,

sorry, but i'm not related to the Watt family as far as i know. - just happy to try and help out with 1881 census for people who dont have access.

kind regards,
Lorna.
Title: Re: CRAN/WATT
Post by: monique on Thursday 21 July 05 00:09 BST (UK)
Hi Lorna Thanks for your interest Have you any sugestions where I can find out futher information? Monique.
Title: Re: CRAN/WATT
Post by: maclennan25 on Thursday 21 July 05 00:29 BST (UK)
Hi Monique,

have you got Margaret Watt/Sutherland's death cert? - if you had that it would give you both of her parents names if known. you could also find out if she was a widow or still married, which would narrow down the search for her husbands death cert, which would then give you both of his parents names. - using this info, you should be able to find at least margaret with her parents in the 1841 census at  the freecen website: http://freecen.rootsweb.com/cgi/search.pl .

alternatively, you could view their marriage cert. - as it was after 1855, it would have both sets of parents names and whether they were still alive or not. - if yes, being after 1855, you would be able to get their parents death certs too from scotland people and obtain their parents names if known by the person registering the death. therefore you would find a further 2 generations....

i hope this makes sense - it is after midnight here and i'm beginning to confuse myself!  ;D

kind regards,
Lorna.
Title: Re: CRAN/WATT
Post by: monique on Thursday 27 October 05 04:02 BST (UK)
Hi Lorna I dont have my great granmothers certificates . How can I get them.Would the Balletar Watt be related to the Kemnay Watt .I am related to the Malcolm of Kemnay.I have been in queensland.bye now Monique
Title: Re: CRAN/WATT
Post by: maclennan25 on Thursday 27 October 05 07:39 BST (UK)
hello monique,

the easiest way to find your great grandmothers marriage and death certificates is to use the scotlandspeople website. it is pay to view and costs 6 for 30 page credits, but as you have some of the info you need to find them already, you should have enough credits left over to search for other certificates too.

e.g if you enter the search criteria for their marriage (shown below) and view the results, this will cost 1 credit and then if you open the certificate to view the details, this will cost 5 credits. you can then . image and also print it if you want to. if you do this, it has cost a total of 6 credits from your 30 that you paid for.

KENNETH SUTHERLAND 
  Spouse:  MARGARET WATT 
  Marriage:  11 FEB 1860   Monymusk, Aberdeen, Scotland

also i mentioned in an earlier posting that the scotlandspeople website also have a possible match for margaret's death certificate:

Scotlandspeople have one match (death records) for margaret sutherland other surnames watt in cluny, aberdeen in 1911 aged 83 years.
i didnt look at the actual cert, so cant be sure it is the correct one. although age almost fits with age at 1881 census and area where they were living at time of 1881 census also matches...
if it is the correct one, it would give you her both her parents names and also her mothers maiden surname if known by person registering her death.

there is also 1 other match (death records) for margaret sutherland other surnames watt in aberdeen, but i didnt look for district because she died in 1953 aged 81 which would make her born c1872 snd obviously isnt the correct one.

again if you use the details for the one in 1911 aged 83 years, it should only cost you another 6 credits and hopefully have a lot more information to work with.

all this should only cost 12 credits in total out of your 30, leaving you a further 18 credits to do other searches.

i hope this helps you a little.

kind regards,
Lorna.

p.s sorry, i don't know if the Ballater and Kemnay Watts are connected and don't know how you could find out.


Title: Re: CRAN/WATT
Post by: Lorismith4 on Sunday 23 January 22 16:05 GMT (UK)
Lorna,

Many thanks, but I do have those details. They are my line. It was Sarah Watt (3 at the census) who married Golderman - actually Goldsman - Cran (9 at the census).

I obtained a huge amount of data on the Watt side by stumbling across a 'distant cousin' in NZ. However the Cran side is proving a 'tough nut'. One of the oddest points is re George H. Cran being born in Canada. Another mountain to climb I suppose!!!  :(

I am on a number of Rootsweb mailing lists, but, so far, without too much luck. I had hoped to flush out another 'rellie' following the same line

Thanks again,
David Thomson


Hi there,

Whilst searching family tree I came across this post. George Herbert Cran is my Great Grandfather. He was born in Canada but his parents returned to Scotland when George was still a child. He married Isabella Whyte from Fraserburgh and they had 10 children. Happy to give you more information if need be, just get in touch.

Thanks.
Title: Re: CRAN/WATT
Post by: GR2 on Sunday 23 January 22 16:37 GMT (UK)
Hi, Lorismith4. I see the last time orkboyz was active on Rootschat was on 21st May 2005. However, a notification of your post will have gone to his e-mail if it is still working.