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Title: Mystery find
Post by: Martin Harmer on Saturday 30 July 11 07:07 BST (UK)
Amoungst my grandparents belongings years ago I found a silver star ( called a jewel ) which was awarded to someone named Cotter.
As to my knowledge there is no Cotter in my family tree, so who is this mystery recipient ?

The engraving on the star reads;

Presented
as a token of respect
for past services
To P.G.T.Y. Cotter
by the brothers of the
Apollo and Hercules Lodge
of the ancient
independant order of
Odd Fellows
Morphett st. Adelaide
St Australia
Decr. 31st 1851

According to the Adelaide chapter of the Order of Odd Fellows they were not established until the 1870's and this star belongs to / came from the Manchester branch ( a Manchester Unity item IOOF ).

Any help identifing this person and finding a posible link would be appreciated.   

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Title: Re: Mystery find
Post by: Dazey999 on Saturday 30 July 11 07:22 BST (UK)
Hi Martin

I think that the PG stands for 'Past Grand' (master) and there's quite a bit on Trove about a TY Cotter who was the first Colonial Surgeon of South Australia.  This would be Thomas Young Cotter born 1805 in Bantry, County Cork, Ireland.  Lots about him if you Google/Trove.

Not saying he was definitely the recipient of the medal, but looks worth investigating.

Dazey
Title: Re: Mystery find
Post by: alison2763 on Saturday 30 July 11 08:06 BST (UK)
If Dazey is correct here is his death:
Thomas Young COTTER died 9.1.1882  aged 76 years. relative not recorded. Residence and Place of Death  Port Augusta  District : Frome. Book 116 Page 96
His wife:
Jane COTTER d 5.3.1876 aged 62 relative not recorded. Res & POD. Port Augusta 72/91


Children born to Thomas Young COTTER and Jane NICHOLSON all born Adelaide except Plummer who was born in Macclesfield
1. Ellen Fisher b 12.3.1838  Book 1 Page 5
2. Edward Gervais b 6.2.1840  1/5
3. Jane Mary b 3.9.1842  1/15
4. Plummer James b 2.10.1844  1/85
5. Henry Robert b 2.11.1848 2/96
6. Alfred John b 6.8.1850 3/87
7. Hurtle Richard b 7.6.1852 4/24 died 3.5.1853 2/208
8. Herbert Hallet b 14.8.1854 5/18


Marriages of children:
Edward Jervis COTTER  30  Single married Anna Maria SLEEP 27 Single on 5.12.1872 at Residence of Robert SLEEP Bugle Ranges 93/519

Plummer James COTTER 33 Single married Mary Elizabeth ANDERSON 27 Single on 16.10.1878 at Residence of Brides father Adelaide.  Brides father: John ANDERSON 117/164


Jane Mary COTTER 22 Single married Frederich John FROST 34 Single on 13.12.1864 at unrecorded Nuccaleena  District Frome Symbol A 60/368

Double wedding  ;D
Ellen Fisher COTTER 26 Not stated married James Bennett GIBBS 28 Not stated on 13.12.1864 at unrecorded Nuccaleena.  Frome Sym: A 60/369

Julia Frances COTTER 24 Single married Thomas BURGOYNE 43 Divorced on 30.9.1871 at  Residence of Thomas COTTER Port Augusta 88/745


Regards
Alison
Title: Re: Mystery find
Post by: Martin Harmer on Sunday 31 July 11 04:47 BST (UK)
Thanks for info to date, it might take some research to find out if there is a family connection.

If there is no family connection how did it come to be in my families possession ?
It seems it maybe of historical iterest to someone.
Title: Re: Mystery find
Post by: david54 on Wednesday 28 June 17 01:53 BST (UK)

Good morning Martin,

I tried to send you an email regarding this medal/medallion you have that was Thomas Y Cotter's.

I would be interested in seeing it please, I am a direct descendant of TY Cotter and his daughter is my GG grandmother.

Not sure where you are located (I am in Adelaide) but please drop me a email and I would like to meet, maybe photograph the medal for my own family research.

Thank you

David
Title: Re: Mystery find
Post by: Rosinish on Wednesday 28 June 17 03:15 BST (UK)
Hi David,

If you look to the left of the post under Martin's name it says..

"I am sorry but my email address is no longer working" i.e. you may not get a reply and furthermore he hasn't been on this site since 2011.

Annie
Title: Re: Mystery find
Post by: Bryan Richards on Friday 01 December 17 22:31 GMT (UK)
David 54
You state your wife is ggdaughter of T.Y.Cotter I have been researching this family since 2003.
I have nearly completed their history.
T.Y. Cotter's mother Ellen Young comes from the Young Family of Bantry was known to be involved in the Bantry Fishery since at least 1590. My research shows that 1752 Plummer Young and Mary Lee  Probably of Young fish Merchant Family the Christian name runs in the family in a 1770 deed Thomas Young first son of Plummer is a life. Thomas Young became a fish curer in Main Street Bantry and his daughter Ellen married Richard Cotter a purser in the RN. Have his full naval career from UK national Archives. Did you know that a John Thomas Young a Tobacconist in north terrace  was renting a four roomed house from Dr.T Y Cotter 1841 to 1851 and was his cousin. J.T. Young's father john Young Was Ellen Youngs brother. Need to find out the children of 31st December  1838 John Thomas Young leaves Sydney Australia, [no mention of wife or children suggesting he is unaccompanied] on board Nereus and arrives in Adelaide 27th January  then 19th July 1839 Young, Mrs and children arrive Adelaide South Australia on board the Abercrombie.
Title: Re: Mystery find
Post by: david54 on Saturday 02 December 17 06:38 GMT (UK)

Hi Bryan,

No, not wife (have not had one of those for many years), me.

My gggrandmother was Ellen Fisher Cotter and I was of the understanding that his family would have travelled with him when Thomas Young ..... arrived in SA as he was Surgeon Lt to the Governor of the new state of South Aust.

Logically I guess, family would have arrived later, navy vessels and protocols. I am not sure but will have look in state archives.

My issue and problems lie as much with Ellen Fisher Cotter's husband of which there are huge gaps in his story ..... another thread cover my questions there.

Thanks for the info

David
Title: Re: Mystery find
Post by: Bryan Richards on Saturday 02 December 17 11:22 GMT (UK)
Hi David
Unfortunately this thread is very limited for passing on information.  Dr. T. Y Cotter had seven siblings. Their parents Richard Cotter born Parish Cloyne [East of Cork] circa 1776 [according to his naval records and  died from T.B. whilst purser on HMS President off Portsmouth March 1834 and buried in the memorial gardens of Haslar Naval Hospital. Their Mother Ellen Young Born Bantry circa 1788 and died 1870 [have death certificate] and buried in the Abbey Graveyard Bantry. Her age at death and on the 1851 English Census varies, but she was a young unmarried teenager when her first child Dr. T.Y. Cotter was born on, 2nd November 1805.  Richard and Ellen married on the 7th January 1806 in the Catholic Church Bantr. One of the Witnesses was Thomas Young her father. They again married in the queen chapel of the savoy London in the October 1806, this time to obtain a certificate of marriage for the navy so she would get a pension in the event of his death. to be continued....
Title: Re: Mystery find
Post by: Bryan Richards on Saturday 02 December 17 11:53 GMT (UK)
T.Y. Cotter's siblings

Ann Cotter... 1808 believed born Deptford but cant find birth or baptism. Could be Bantry.
The Southern Reporter and Cork Commercial Courier dated 25th August 1831 states “In Bantry 18th Inst by the Rev. T. Barry.  G. Riordan Esq. of Kenmare Co. Kerry to Ann eldest daughter of Richard Cotter Esq. RN of Deptford”
The Roman Catholic Parish Church of Bantry records states that on the 18th August 1831 Garratt Riordan  married Anne Cotter and the witnesses were Nicholas Riordan and Rogan Downing. Roman Catholic Parish Church of Kenmare County Kerry Ireland records two of their children’s baptismal sponsors as 18th May 1835  Margaret Anne daughter of Garrett Riordan and Anne Cotter Sponsor’s  Michael Riordan and Jane Cotter. This could be Jane Lucy Cotter who emigrated to Australia  in 1840 with her twin sister Ellen both baptised Church of England Chatham.
20th February 1853 Robert son of Gerard Riordan and Ann Cotter Sponsor’s William Cotter and Helen Cotter, this looks like William Cotter of Bantry and Helena Crowley 28th January 1826 Shanavalda Father Edmund Cotter and Cornelius Crowley

Pownall Pellew Cotter..  [Master 1841 then Staff Commander R.N. at death in 1866] was born on the 2nd June 1810 St Alphege Linton Road Woolwich Kent England and baptized on the 11th December 1811 at St. Mary’s Lambeth London. Master f HMS Terror under Captain Crozier on 1841 expedition to Antarctic. Cape Cotter named after him

James MacNamara Cotter... born on the 8th August 1813 in the Parish of Lambeth and County of Surrey, where his parents Richard and Ellen were to be found living at Fannington Lane Lambeth, and at St Mary's Newington Surrey C of E on the 13th of September that year. My wife's great great grandfather. Education  Greenwich hospital School , apprenticed Merchant Navy then became Revenue Officer RN. He was named after Capt. james MacNamara who was Captain of Richard's first ship HMS Cerberus

Jane Lucy Cotter[Eldest twin] and Ellen Cotter [youngest twin] ...were christened 7th May 1815 Chatham Kent England C of E. According to an application to the Royal Naval Compassionate Fund in 1834, their mother stated that they were twins.  They emigrated to live with Thomas Young Cotter in Adelaide in 1840 both married in  there 1841.

Plummer Young Cotter.... was born in Ireland [most likely Bantry] in 1817 according to MN records at the UK National Archives.  At the age of 11 he was admitted into the Greenwich hospital School 1828 to 1833 and to be apprenticed in the Merchant Navy. Most likely got his name from his great grandfather Plummer Young of Bantry. Last record I have is fireman on board  steamship St George between Cork and Dublin in 1838.

Richard Cotter (Jnr.) was born on the 10th January 1830 [IGI Batch No.C009449] and christened at St. Paul’s church Deptford Kent England C of E. on the 2nd May 1830. He and his mother were not in the UK 1841 Census but were there in 1851.

Ellen Cotter,  Head , Widow  aged 62,  Private [income] Born Ireland
Richard Cotter, Son, Unmarried, aged 21, Clerk to Ship Broker, Born Deptford Kent.

Richard emigrated to Australia in 1852, last known address 1853 residing at Sinclair No.167 Great Lonsdale Street East Melbourne

P.S. Beware Dr T.Y Cotter's biography on line from Australia and in the Lendon papers is full of errors regarding his life and his family's life  before he emigrated in 1837.
Finally look up google books Sketches of Bermuda, or Somers Isles” printed by Effingham & Wilson of London; published by Richard Cotter the illustrations were done by Dr.T.Y. Cotter when he was 19 having sailed with his father as a junior clerk to Bermuda onboard HMS Antelope.
Title: Re: Mystery find
Post by: david54 on Saturday 02 December 17 12:41 GMT (UK)
Hi Bryan,

Thanks for the additional information and tonight sat and re-read it all ...... very interesting and pieces a few more bits of family together, thank you

I am going to copy it into "word" and then can read it thro and update my tree.

I have some of the family once Thomas Y. arrived in SA, .... his was a life of trials and tribulations, depending on which side of the politics he was on at the time. Very influential in SA medical history and the state in general.

How he ended up in Pt Augusta was always interesting but the family from there is a mystery too

When you have completed the history I would love to be able to read it please,

I am currently at sea (seems to run in the family) so internet coverage at times can be "hit and miss" but will reply .

Thanks again for the information

David
Title: Re: Mystery find
Post by: Bryan Richards on Saturday 02 December 17 18:02 GMT (UK)
Hi David
I was in contact with the Late Fiona Gonzcol a descendant of T.Y. Cotter she gave me the full breakdown of the family in Australia.
Try my website www.swanseamariners.org.uk  and use the email contact button lower left and perhaps we can contact direct so I can up load files to you.
As I say I have a very detailed account of the Cotter/Young family pre-Australia. Will wait to see if you able to e-mail me direct.

P.S.  I was a radio officer in the MN  1957 to 1963 then Coast Radio then radio surveyor in UK Ship Inspection until I retired.
Title: Re: Mystery find
Post by: NettyBetty on Sunday 14 October 18 13:24 BST (UK)
Hi,
This thread is very interesting to read.  I've just taken an interest in my family tree.    Thomas Young Cotter was my dad's great great grandfather. 
Netty
Title: Re: Mystery find
Post by: Bryan Richards on Sunday 14 October 18 21:03 BST (UK)
Quote from: NettyBetty on Sunday 14 October 18 13:24 BST (UK)
Hi,
This thread is very interesting to read.  I've just taken an interest in my family tree.    Thomas Young Cotter was my dad's great great grandfather. 
Netty
Title: Re: Mystery find
Post by: Bryan Richards on Sunday 14 October 18 21:04 BST (UK)
Re T.Y. Cotter  willing to exchange pre Australian information for this family
regards
Bryan
Title: Re: Mystery find
Post by: hallmark on Sunday 14 October 18 21:38 BST (UK)
Quote from: Bryan Richards on Saturday 02 December 17 11:53 GMT (UK)
T.Y. Cotter's siblings
 
The Roman Catholic Parish Church of Bantry records states that on the 18th August 1831 Garratt Riordan  married Anne Cotter and the witnesses were Nicholas Riordan and Rogan Downing. Roman Catholic Parish Church of Kenmare County Kerry Ireland records two of their children’s baptismal sponsors as 18th May 1835  Margaret Anne daughter of Garrett Riordan and Anne Cotter Sponsor’s  Michael Riordan and Jane Cotter. 




http://www.rootschat.com/links/01mv1/ 


 Baptism of JAMES RIORDAN of KENMARE on 14 September 1839  Parish/Church/Congregation - KENMARE  Area - KERRY (RC)   

 Baptism of CATHERINE RIORDAN of NR  on 19 July 1841 Parish/Church/Congregation - DUAGH
Area - KERRY (RC)


and others!
Title: Re: Mystery find
Post by: majm on Sunday 14 October 18 22:30 BST (UK)
 :D  :D

Have you considered contacting this RChatter:

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=163902

Quote from: Bryan Richards on Sunday 14 October 18 21:04 BST (UK)
Re T.Y. Cotter  willing to exchange pre Australian information for this family
regards
Bryan

JM

Title: Re: Mystery find
Post by: majm on Sunday 14 October 18 22:40 BST (UK)
Quote from: NettyBetty on Sunday 14 October 18 13:24 BST (UK)
Hi,
This thread is very interesting to read.  I've just taken an interest in my family tree.    Thomas Young Cotter was my dad's great great grandfather. 
Netty

Welcome to RootsChat, Netty.    It is a great place for helping with family history.   I have sent M S Harmer a PM (personal message) alerting him to your post.   I notice you have just the one post at the moment.   You may need a couple more before you can access all the features of this wonderful website (including the PM service), so you may need to reply, even just with a 'Hi'. 

 :D  :D

JM
Title: Re: Mystery find
Post by: NettyBetty on Monday 15 October 18 00:16 BST (UK)
Thank you for your replies. I have found an obituary on Dr Thomas young cotter, but it doesn't say where he was buried. I'd love to find his grave. Would anyone have this info?  Regards Netty
Title: Re: Mystery find
Post by: david54 on Monday 15 October 18 00:18 BST (UK)
Hi NettyBetty,

Welcome and guess you and I are cousins .... remote but family none the less as TY Cotter is my GGG grandfather too.

I can fill you in on his live and times in South Aust if you want. I have information that Bryan sent me a while back on the irish side and is all good information.

I would like to know your lineage too please so I can update my tree.  If you send me message I will give you my email address ..... but I will be abck at sea this weekend and may not have internet coverage until we get back to Australia, ... new ship and no idea of what comms gear we have.  Bryan is probably laughing

Enjoy the adventure and he was certainly an interesting man and very important part of SA's history

David
Title: Re: Mystery find
Post by: david54 on Monday 15 October 18 00:20 BST (UK)
 NettyBetty and Bryan,

Netty I can give you all of that info happily so please send me message and will give you email address.

Hi Bryan, I can forward Netty the info you sent me if it is easier for you .. and thanks for your help, the Irish side keeps growing

David
Title: Re: Mystery find
Post by: NettyBetty on Monday 15 October 18 00:34 BST (UK)
Hi David, wow distant cousins. My aunty has researched the family tree. Definitely link them up.   
Title: Re: Mystery find
Post by: majm on Monday 15 October 18 05:04 BST (UK)
Quote from: NettyBetty on Monday 15 October 18 00:16 BST (UK)
Thank you for your replies. I have found an obituary on Dr Thomas young cotter, but it doesn't say where he was buried. I'd love to find his grave. Would anyone have this info?  Regards Netty

 :)  :)  :)

Sorry,  I am not familiar with researching South Australian family histories,  but fingers crossed the following links will help with clues re the grave ... seems to be 'Port Augusta Old.'

https://www.genealogysa.org.au/index.php?option=com_search&Itemid=32 - enter COTTER and 1882
and
http://www.ozburials.com/CemsSA/portaugold.htm  - perhaps consider a donation ...

JM
Title: Re: Mystery find
Post by: NettyBetty on Monday 15 October 18 05:14 BST (UK)
Thank you majm
Title: Re: Mystery find
Post by: Bryan Richards on Monday 15 October 18 09:42 BST (UK)
I have TYC grave and a photo off google. Use my e-mail address shown in my website swanseamariners.org.uk then I can  then exchange photographs. Etc  Have what is believed to be a oil miniture of TY cotter’s father’ and mother.  I repeat that a lot of Website info on TY Cotters biography is incorrect constructed from family myths.     I have extended family information of TY cotter’s siblings, complete career and every ship of his father.

Regards
Bryan
Title: Re: Mystery find
Post by: majm on Monday 15 October 18 12:24 BST (UK)
Without sidetracking too far,  here’s some info that I consider to be from reliable sources.  :)   

I am not a relative, but I am very interested in NSW families from as early as 1787 through to  pre the gold rushes of the 1850s.    There's a chap, named John Thomas YOUNG who arrived steerage, in Sydney, NSW per the British Sovereign, 18 September 1834 See NSW State Archives, 4/5207, entry 29015.   You will likely find other sightings at their indexes:  https://www.records.nsw.gov.au/archives/collections-and-research/guides-and-indexes/indexes-a-z  and at https://www.records.nsw.gov.au/

For that 1834 arrival :  :D
See also https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/2217144  Sydney Gazette, 20 Sept 1834
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/12850505 Sydney Herald 22 Sept 1834

trove is more than just the digitised newspapers, here’s the main link: https://trove.nla.gov.au/ it is free to search, and you can download from there too, no charge.

JM
Title: Re: Mystery find
Post by: Bryan Richards on Monday 15 October 18 15:46 BST (UK)
Thomas Young Cotter age 76. Died 29.01.1882 buried 31.01.1882 pioneer section Carlton Parade Port Augusta Cemetery and his wife Jane (nee Nicholson) died  05.03.1876 aged 63
 
Grave image No.6229. Plain White marble ? Cross  on three tier base.
Title: Re: Mystery find
Post by: Bryan Richards on Monday 15 October 18 16:30 BST (UK)
The arrival of J.T Young provded us with an enigma. His original application was for family of 4 to van Damiens Land 1831 in Irish records shows  Lavinia from Liverpoool, but his wife Catherine died before arrival Capetown. So what happened to him and 2 children between 1831 and 1834 ? Did he return to London from Capetown. One  J young arrives Van Damien Land no mention of children but this maybe a Baker shown on shiplist website.  The arrival document British Sovereign steerage  and if you can assume the mark ‘ in the childrens columns shows three children  1 boy and girl over 12 years of age and one female under 12 ? But he did not marry for the first time until 1827 Also country column says England not Ireland ?  In 1841 Adelaide shows two children one under 7 and one under 14  but over 7
wife now Margaret who ?

Are there two John Thomas Young’s  as the one married as a widower to Margaret Larrymore in Sydney 1836  there is a larrymore link over his tobacco business in George Street Sydney but he in 1838  sells the business and goes by Nereus to Adelaide and starts tobacco busniness again later  his daughters marriage gives mother as Margaret Linzy ?  Can’t find Sydney marriage of to a Linzy(Linsey)
 
Title: Re: Mystery find
Post by: majm on Tuesday 16 October 18 01:46 BST (UK)
Side tracking ...

Margaret LARRYMORE arrived per the Duchess of Northumberland in 1835.  She was 25.

Margaret LARRYMORE married John T YOUNG in 1836, as per Vol 73A, line 419. as per NSW BDM online and a record of that marriage is held within the Scots Church, Sydney's registers.             
   
It may well be the marriage was celebrated at Scots Church, but it is also possible the Scots Church record is a transmitted record from anywhere within the then NSW territories ... Presbyterian Rev'ds on circuits would strive to transmit their baptisms, burials, weddings, back to their 'head office' in Sydney.  (Add, so too all the clergy of all the various denominations)... That practice dates from a general order by Governor Lachlan Macquarie in 1810, and obeyed more by its breach than by rigid adherence until 1856 when civil registration commenced.   So, not all marriages are found at NSW BDM, and when any are found, it is important to recognise that the actual indexing of those Early Church Records was not undertaken until the 1930s, and then it was under a team of volunteers striving to cope with the bound volumes that had not been bound until the 1910s... so a document from the 1830s may well have been thumbed through many times, ink bleeds, smudges etc. 

JM

 

Title: Re: Mystery find
Post by: majm on Tuesday 16 October 18 02:39 BST (UK)
 :)  :)
Married Sydney
John YOUNG and Miss Margaret LARRYMORE, both of Sydney.
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/31717567  Colonist 28 January 1836.

JM
Title: Re: Mystery find
Post by: majm on Tuesday 16 October 18 02:50 BST (UK)
J T YOUNG sells his retail business in Sydney in December 1838 to the Cockburns
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/31722145  5 December 1838 The Colonist.

 COCKBURN  ;D  ;D that's a name in my NSW family tree, and from that era too.   :) but I doubt that has any connection to T Y COTTER, the name on Martin Harmer's mystery find.   :D

JM




Title: Re: Mystery find
Post by: Bryan Richards on Tuesday 16 October 18 16:34 BST (UK)
Apologies we have gone slightly off topic. But J.T. Young was his cousin who in 1840's resided in property leased by T.Y. Cotter in Adelaide and there's a mystery surrounding his marriage and  how he arrived in Adelaide.
Thomas Young Cotter was one of the founders of the Masonic Lodge Adelaide, was an honorary life member of the Oddfellows Society and a member of the Foresters' Society. Which should confirm the "Mystery" Find as belonging to him.
Title: Re: Mystery find
Post by: LORRAINECOTTER on Monday 20 June 22 00:12 BST (UK)
Hello Everyone,  Just wanted to ask whether any of you know anything about my grandfather, Edward Cotter, son of Edward Gervais Cotter and Anna Maria Sleep.  My father was also Edward - Edward Jervis Cotter.

My grandfather married Bridget Spalding in Western Victoria and he died in Melbourne in the 1970s. Of particular interest is Bridget.  We know nothing about her apart from having married my grandfather.

Regards,
Lorraine Cotter
Title: Re: Mystery find
Post by: sparrett on Thursday 23 June 22 07:31 BST (UK)
Hi Lorraine.
Bridget was probably the daughter of John SPALDING and Mary nee MORONEY.


SPOLDING  Bridt   
Mother Mary  MORNEY 
Father Jno   
At SOUTHERN CROSS
1891 / 37137

The couple had a number of other children in the district.  You can search for them here
https://my.rio.bdm.vic.gov.au/efamily-history/61dce29c482f41233900a221
 
She died in 1952 and was interred-
Name Bridget Veronica COTTER
Age 60
At W Gul, Victoria
Year   1952
Father John Spalding
Mother Mary Money  (sic)
Reg    19765

Interred-
Bridget Veronica COTTER
4 Apr 1952
Cemetery Warragul Cemetery
Warragul, Baw Baw Shire, Victoria, Australia
 
Your grandfather died in 1974
 
Garnett Edward J Cotter
1974   Noble Park,
Father Jervi
Mother Unknown
Reg 27993

Buying and downloading the marriage of Edward and Bridget may verify my suggestions
Edwd COTTER
Etta SPOLDING
1913
Reg 4604

She used the name Ettie, Etta, and variations for the registration of children's births and her Electoral Roll registration

EDIT
Title: Re: Mystery find
Post by: LORRAINECOTTER on Monday 27 June 22 11:48 BST (UK)
Thank you so much.  You have been very helpful.

Lorraine Cotter
Title: Re: Mystery find
Post by: NettyBetty on Saturday 15 April 23 15:12 BST (UK)
Quote from: LORRAINECOTTER on Monday 20 June 22 00:12 BST (UK)
Hello Everyone,  Just wanted to ask whether any of you know anything about my grandfather, Edward Cotter, son of Edward Gervais Cotter and Anna Maria Sleep.  My father was also Edward - Edward Jervis Cotter.

My grandfather married Bridget Spalding in Western Victoria and he died in Melbourne in the 1970s. Of particular interest is Bridget.  We know nothing about her apart from having married my grandfather.

Regards,
Lorraine Cotter

Hi Lorraine,  I have recently discovered my GG Grandfather (Edward Gervais Cotter) grave in Western Victoria (Sadly unmarked) and under the name of Jervis Cotter. (No Edward)  I was so excited to find this with my sister!  I'm going to go to the historical society next week to hopefully find more information on him. We can't find any information on his wife Anna Maria Sleep and don't know where she is buried. Would you have this info?
Thanks
NettyBetty
Title: Re: Mystery find
Post by: DavidG02 on Saturday 15 April 23 16:28 BST (UK)
There is a plaque outside of the RAH

I took interest as my brothers step-grandson is a Cotter but I havent done any research on his family


https://monumentaustralia.org.au/themes/government/state/display/118642-sesquicentenary-of-the-royal-adelaide-hospital

This Plaque Marks The First Site Of
      The Colonial Infirmary

    January To July 1837

The Structure Made Of Pressed Earth Was Originally
Built As A School Room.  It Was Rented And
Used By Dr T. Y. Cotter, Colonial Surgeon,
For The Treatment Of Sick Immigrants Until
More Suitable Accomodation Became Available
       In Hindley Street.

Erected By Royal Adelaide Hospital
Heritage And History Committee
       To Commemorate
Royal Adelaide Hospital Sesquicentenary
               1990
Title: Re: Mystery find
Post by: Bryan Richards on Monday 29 May 23 23:15 BST (UK)
Hello everbody
I have now got more of an update on the Cotter ~ Young relationship.  John Thomas Young 1805~ 1851 who arrived in  Sydney on the Sovereign in 1834 traded as a Tobacconist in Lower George Street then sailed on the Nereus 1839 from Sydney to Adelaide. He died in 1851 and his last Will and Testament shows that he is Dr Thomas Young Cotter's uncle [TY Cotter's mother's youngest brother] and he made TYC his executor of his Will. Uncle? well Dr T Y Cotter was. born out of wedlock and his mother was on 17 at the time and married Richard Cotter January 1806.
TYC's younger brother  was looking for their youngest brother Richard b.1830 in an advert placed in The Argus newspaper of Melbourne Vic. Australia dated Tuesday 11th of January 1853 stated Mr Pownall P. Cotter is informed that his brother is residing at Mr Sinclair's, 167, Great Lonsdale-street, East,  this in April 1853 being named as the residence of one Peter Sinclair and later an advert in the Victoria Government Gazette 22nd of April 1856  by the Chief Secretary’s Office Melbourne stated “The undermentioned persons are requested to apply at this Office without delay to receive information of private interest to themselves or to enable the Government to reply to the enquiries of their friends, In the event of the decease of any of these parties, information is likewise requested. Signed “By His Excellency’s Consul William C. Haines”. Among the undermentioned persons was Cotter, Mr. Pownall Pellew, master in the Royal Navy, formerly of St. George’s Terrace, Camberwell, who sailed for Melbourne, by the Wandsworth, in September 1852 and was seen in Melbourne last February. Pownall had left England for Melbourne Australia some 3 years after being declared an insolvent debtor and we know his youngest brother Richard had emigrated to Melbourne Australia in 1852 and it is likely that it this brother who was residing at Sinclair’s.

In May 1853, Pownall Pellow Cotter, a ship sailing master, was appointed to organise and supervise the time signal service. Cotter had acted as the sailing master of HMS Terror during Captain James Clark Ross’s (1800-1862)  magnetic expedition for the British Admiralty to study the global magnetic field and to establish a chain of magnetic observatories in British colonies. [this is incorrect he was only master of HMS Terror 1839 to 1843 on the Antarctic expedition, Master's then were Warrant Officers who were the senior navigators and ship managers ] the ship was commanded by Capt Francis Crozier] Cotter had settled in Melbourne and was in charge of the naval depot at Williamstown. When, after several weeks, minimal progress had been made with establishing the time signal service Governor La Trobe appointed Ellery in Cotter’s place. The first public timeball drop from the flagstaff came in August 1853. Cotter resigned soon after. A few months later, however, before the time signal was fully operational Ellery was appointed to supervise the time signal and to make the necessary observations (Andropoulos, 2014),
Pownall Pellew Cotter returned to London by 1857

 
Title: Re: Mystery find
Post by: Bryan Richards on Tuesday 30 May 23 22:01 BST (UK)
The Mystery find
Platt's almanac, diary, and South Australian directory.(1851)  It lists  Odd Fellows  Manchester Unity
11 Lodges are listed.
Adelaide Lodge - Monday, Club House Hindley- Street.  Trove has for around that period adverts in Adelaide newspapers listing members. Thomas Young Cotter is amongst the list of members.

 also see Adelaide Times (SA : 1848 - 1858)  Sat 10 May 1851  Page 5