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Title: *COMPLETED* Look Up Request Proctor/Procter
Post by: old scotsman on Saturday 30 July 11 18:38 BST (UK)

Hi I have a Sophie Hannah Proctor bSep 1887 in Market Rasen Lincolnshire, On the 1891 Census for Market Rasen she is with her mother and sister staying at their grandfathers house John Brumpton b1829

I have been unable to find her in 1901 and can't find a death

Please Help

Ian

Title: Re: Look Up Request Proctor/Procter
Post by: keyboard86 on Saturday 30 July 11 18:53 BST (UK)

Hi looks like she is a Brumpton in 1901 Census ref RG13/3099/6/3

Keyboard86

Title: Re: Look Up Request Proctor/Procter
Post by: Geoff-E on Saturday 30 July 11 19:14 BST (UK)

Quote from: keyboard86 on Saturday 30 July 11 18:53 BST (UK)

Hi looks like she is a Brumpton in 1901 Census ref RG13/3099/6/3

That was a possible conclusion that I had just reached.

Do we really know who her mother was in 1891, or was that just guesswork?

Regarding "her sister" have you seen this *submitted* IGI entry? http://tinyurl.com/3o7efkz

Of course, the alleged marriage for this couple  ...

Marriages Jun 1883
BRUMPTON    Ann Elizabeth         Caistor    7a   1257   
PROCTOR    John William         Caistor    7a   1257   

 ... seems a trifle early for a woman aged 20 in 1891.  :-\

Ah, she was also 20 in 1881 http://tinyurl.com/3b5qb2b

and between 1881 and 1891
Charles has aged from 14 to 18
John aged from 11 to 16.

Title: Re: Look Up Request Proctor/Procter
Post by: old scotsman on Saturday 30 July 11 20:51 BST (UK)

Hi

I am sorry but posted the wrong name it is Sophia Hannah Procter b1897 freeBMD confirmed
the mother looks bad in the 1891 census but the dates were a bit amiss on that census.

I have altered the original post to correct it

The mother Anne Elizabeth Brumpton was born in 1862 FreeBMD confirmed and not 1870 according to that census. I have got Harriet Brumpton who had two illigitamate children and never married.

I was just guesswork in assuming on that census that Anne was the mother of the two girls but after all that I am still wondering where she went.

Thank you for your kind help

Ian

Title: Re: Look Up Request Proctor/Procter
Post by: keyboard86 on Saturday 30 July 11 21:30 BST (UK)

Hi Ian, still confused is this Ann Elizabeth Proctor in 1901?

Ann Elizabeth Proctor Widow 40 b Osgodby
Harriett 10 b Market Rasen
Plus lodger Ernest Harrington
Residing at 3, Brooke's Yard, Market Rasen
Census ref RG13/3099/7/5

When did this lady become a Proctor?

Have you birth cert of a Sophia b 1897?
Keyboard86

Title: Re: Look Up Request Proctor/Procter
Post by: old scotsman on Saturday 30 July 11 21:38 BST (UK)

Yes Keyboard86 she was a widow and married a Tinker later though did not have any children with him and Harriet Proctor married my friends grandfather

Sophia Hannah Proctor was never mentioned in the family

Anne Elizabeth Brumpton married John William Proctor 1853-1899 in June 1883

It looks like we may have to get a BC for Sophia but it still does not resolve where she went to after 1891

Title: Re: Look Up Request Proctor/Procter
Post by: keyboard86 on Saturday 30 July 11 22:04 BST (UK)

Hi Ian, so who is the Sophie with Mother/Sister with Grandfather in 1891?
See also the reply from Geoff above and my 1901 Sophia?
Keyboard86

Title: Re: Look Up Request Proctor/Procter
Post by: old scotsman on Saturday 30 July 11 22:39 BST (UK)

Hi Keyboard86

The Mystery deepens I checked Sophia Brumpton on freeBMD with no results and just realised  something (hard at my age) ;O)

Where Sophia was is in 1901, The Yarborough Arms is where John William Proctor was a boarder and working in 1891.

Why did she change her name? she was registered as a Proctor if it is her.

Ian

Title: Re: Look Up Request Proctor/Procter
Post by: old scotsman on Sunday 31 July 11 00:01 BST (UK)

I will complete this query, as after checking Sophia Brumpton on freeBMD and the 1891 census I did not get any results for her so will presume that she is indeed Sophia Hannah Proctor and was slipping beneath the radar and presumeably will never be found.

Thanks all who helped me come to this conclusion

Ian

Title: Re: Look Up Request Proctor/Procter
Post by: keyboard86 on Sunday 31 July 11 00:43 BST (UK)

Hi Ian, ? Why will she never be found, her birth cert will leave a trail, where was she 1911 census?
Keyboard86

Title: Re: *COMPLETED* Look Up Request Proctor/Procter
Post by: old scotsman on Sunday 31 July 11 02:04 BST (UK)

Hi Keyboard86

If she is using another name or got married using another name then their is no chance if she wanted to get lost.

Not found her in 1911 and IGI have two results both including her parents for her christening
23 Oct 1885 & 23 Oct 1895 I have lost enough sleep over her and life is to short

Title: Re: *COMPLETED* Look Up Request Proctor/Procter
Post by: Geoff-E on Sunday 31 July 11 15:38 BST (UK)

You apparently have access to the 1911 census ... there is an intriguing Sophia TROOP 24 Market Rasen (with "husband" George).  I can see no marriage for this couple but there are birth registrations that may be of interest-

Births Dec 1913 
TROOP    William H    (Proctor)    Caistor    7a   1204
Births Mar 1918 
TROOP    Clara    (Proctor)    Gainsbro    7a   1062

and

Deaths Mar 1922 
TROOP    Sophia    (36)    Gainsbro    7a   997

NB: George TROOP was born in Gainsborough :)

Title: Re: *COMPLETED* Look Up Request Proctor/Procter
Post by: old scotsman on Sunday 31 July 11 19:48 BST (UK)

Thank you sooooo very much Geoff-E

I think that you have cracked it according to the births her name was proctor and the first birth registered in caistor was presumably market rasen it would be well worth getting that BC

You have made an old man very happy

Thanks Again

Ian