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Anyone out there in America related to John Frederick Huber. He came from a place in Germany called Balveria. and he went to Dublin Ireland. His brothers went to America. He was born in the year 1864 and his fathers name was also John Frederick Huber. Anyone know how i can find out his mothers name and his brothers and sisters names
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Hi
Is is definitely "Balveria" - could it be "Bavaria", perhaps?
Since Irish research can be problematic - what were the details of his brothers in America if you have anything scrap at all - one of them may lead to the information you're looking for.
When did they leave there homeland and go to Ireland/US?
Cheers
AMBLY
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Is this him - married Rosina HUBER (late resident of Nottinghamshire) in Dublin, 1893
http://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/details/c541970889204
Were he and his wife related (her father is John HUBER)?
1901:
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai003720909/
1911: (John not at home)
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Dublin/Trinity_Ward/Townsend_St_/83562/
Cheers
AMBLY
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I dont know there names but they left Germany from 1880 to 1914. And went to Philiadelpha. So i dont know how im going to find them. I have a German Army Reord but its in German.
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I have the marriage cert for 1893. But is there any immgration records from Germany to Dublin for that time period. They went to Nothinghamshire England first then Dublin. Its German Immgration or Ship Records or Train Recors
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It is Bavaria
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Hi
The HUBER name is not an uncommon one in the UK records - nor are the forenames - which in german could be recorded as: Johan, Johannes, Frederic, Frederich, Friedrich etc.
Move the search to the US and the name is even more common,
(A family in New Orleans for example):
http://familytreemaker.genealogy.com/users/r/i/e/Virginia-S-Riecke/GENE1-0004.html
The Hamburg passenger lists have many possibilities. And no way of knowing which one might be yours.
I have noticed a researcher looking for John Frederick HUBER in US message boards, saying that his one was from Austria, near the German Border - which could be the Bavarian border.
John was in Ireland getting married by 1893. Do you have him in 1891 anywhere in England. Or Rosina? How do you know that the family of brothers left Germany between 1880 and 1914 - and aside from John, went to Philadelphia?
The German Military Record may be very useful and quite possibily your one way of finding more of your John Frederick Huber's family background & his siblings - could you perhaps scan and post it onto Rootschat (in parts at a time) for translation?
Cheers
AMBLY
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A message for Ambly i have the attached ment below of the army record
Regards
David
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If anyone can translate this document it would be great or know were the area in Germany is its below
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Hi David
I think I've got the gist of it - hopefully someone will jump in if I've got anything wrong !
It's a Discharge document
Ausmusterungs-schein
Withdrawal Note
Der -----------? Johannes ----------> Huber
Geboren am 9ten Februar 1864 zu S---------berg Ob----------
Weinsberg
-----------? Johannes ----------> Huber
Born on the 9th February 1864 in S---------berg Ob----------
Weinsberg
wird hiermit aufGrund des 36 der Ersatz Ordnung als dauernd untauglich zum dienste im heere
und in der marine anerkannt
is hereby according to the 36 Order/rules declared as permanently unfit for service in the army
and also in the navy
Diesser Schien dient Inhaber allen Militär und Zivil Behörden gegenüber als Ausweis
This Note (document) serves as proof to all Military & Civil Authorities
Weinsberg, den 1ten Juli 1886
(dated in) Weinsberg on the 1st July 1886
Königl. Ober-Ersatz-Kommiss'n im Bezirk der 52 ten Infanterie Brig'e
(by order of) the Cheif (Discharge) District Commissioner of the 52nd Infantry Brigade
Der Miltär-Vorsitzende (signed)
Der Zivil-Vorsitzende (signed)
The Military Chairman/Authority
The Civil Chairman/Authority
I beleive at the time, all young men were required at age 20 to serve 4 years in the Military - and since this is dated 1886 and he was born 1864, it seems he was let go as "unfit" after approx 2 years?
I can't make out the full name of the place he was born, which is in the Weinsberg district :
S---------berg Ob----------Weinsberg
The word before Weinsberg may be Oberamt
Not sure of the word before "Johannes" - it may be his title or rank in the Army?
Also the middle name - the document appears to have a fold in it - is it Frederick (or a form of) or something else....
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weinsberg
Cheers
AMBLY
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It is Johann Frederick Huber. Were would i get his birth cert
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Hi David,
Ah yes, - it must be written as "Friedrich" I think? Do you also know what the word is before "Johannes" is? A rank maybe?
As I understand it, Vital records are kept at local level - ie: there is no National respoitory for BDM in Germany.
The local record offices are called "Standesamt" and one would have to write to them in German, proving a relationship and requesting the record. Apart from some certain parts of Germany, Civil Registration began in 1876 - and Weinsberg comes under the latter..
Here is the Standesamt address for Weinsberg:
http://www.standesaemter.net/Standesamt-Kontakt/1963/Standesamt-Weinsberg
You could try them and see what advice they may offer. I believe though, that prior to 1876 the birth record you need would be kept at church level. And then which religion has to be found (Lutheran & Catholic were the most common). Then approach the churches in the 'catchment' area where Johannes was born. ....
...which comes back to the above military document - it would be useful to fully dechpher his stated place of birth. As per above, I can't work it out. Someone with a better understanding of German script and place names might be able to help. Once you know where perhaps you can better research the churches which should be approached.
Might I suggest you post a new topic on the Rootschat "Deciphering" board, or the "Common Room" with a link to this one & asking chatters to come and have a look at the document you posted above to work out the pob?
Cheers
AMBLY
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Hi David and Ambly,
The Discharge Papers are for Metzger (Butcher) Johann Friedrich Huber born in Schwabbach.
Schwabbach belongs to Bretzfeld and you have to apply for a birthcertificate at the Standesamt.
Here is the site for Bretzfeld, scroll down to Standesamt and it gives you an email address.
http://www.bretzfeld.de/index.php?id=56&T=nnvljkjgkr
David, if Johann worked as a butcher in England you should perhaps read on the Europe Board about German Porkbutchers.
Regards, Peonie
Sorry, Schwabbach once belonged to Kurpfalz (Bayern), later to Heilbronn and until 1926 to Weinsberg and then to Bretzfeld. You do have to look at the Standesamt Weinsberg.
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The "Landeskirchliche Archive Stuttgart" has Kirchenbücher for Schwabbach. The Films have to be viewed at the Archives. You could write to the parish and see what they have locally.
http://faust.elk-wue.de/zeig.FAU?sid=2E1C239622&dm=1&ind=1&ipos=Schwabbach
Pfarramt Schwabbach
www.bretzfeld.de - Hauptstraße 21, Bretzfeld - 07946 2282
Regards Peonie
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Hi David,
around 1900 Schwabbach had ca. 400 inhabitants. According to the phonebook there are still Hubers living there. The page gives phone numbers and addresses.
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0eii/
Regards Peonie
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Hallo,
nach nochmaligem Suchen habe ich nun sogar das Familienregister der Eltern des Johann Friedrich Huber gefunden, das im Anhang beigefügt ist. Daraus können Sie seine Eltern, Großeltern und Geschwister ersehen. Über Johann Friedrich selber ist allerdings nichts (keine Eheschließung bzw. Tod) vermerkt.
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Hi David
Great, I see you've been able to get some information - was that via the path Peonie gave you?
The message from the sender of the attachment:
"Hello,
After researching, I have found the family register of the parents of Johann Friedrich Huber, which is attached hereto. From this you can see his parents, grandparents and siblings. About Johann Friedrich himself, however, there is nothing (no marriage or death) noted."
http://translate.google.com/#
Cheers
AMBLY
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The attachments column headers:
PAGE1
Hausvater - Householder/ Head (Man) of the House
Column 1
Geburt, Ort, Tag und Jahr - Birth Place, Day and Year
Column 2
Band und Blatt des früheren familien registers
"composite" sheet (blatt) of the previous family registers" (I'm not exactly sure how to translate phrase "Band und Blatt")
Column 3
Name, Vorname, Stand - Surname. First Name, Location
Column 4
Eheschließung, Ort, Tag und Jahr - Marriage Place, day and Year
Hausmutter - Matron (woman) of the house
Column1
Vorname und früherer familiename - First name and maiden-name (lit. former family name)
Column2
Geburt, Ort, Tag und Jahr - Birth Place, Day and Year
Eltern des Hausvaters - Vater, Mutter
Parents of the Man of the House - Father, Mother
Eltern der Hausmutter - Vater, Mutter
Parents of the Matron (woman) of the house - Father, Mother
PAGE 2:
Kinder - Children
Column1: Zahl - Number
Column2: Namen - Name
Column3: Geburt, Ort, Tag und Jahr - Birth Place, Day and Year
Column4: Eheschließung - Marriage
4.1: Ort, Tag u. Jahr - Place, Date & Year
4.2: Name und Stand des Angetrauten - Name & Location (from
where) of the Spouse
Column5: Band und Blatt des Familien Registers - 'Family Register number & book"
Column6: Tod, Ort, Tag und Jahr - Death Place, Day and Year
That's the (my) translation!
For the deciphering of the data written in the Familienbuch (Family Book) - I can make some out - but hopefully Peonie has recieved an update on this topic and is heading over! :)
Cheers
AMBLY
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The marriage of the parents (Hausvater & Hausmutter) is on the IGI (an Extracted record):
Johan Michael HUBER, born 27 Jun 1821, Stangenbach
Parents: Johann Martin HUBER and Maria Barbara WUXLE
married: 26 November 1850, Evangelisch, Eberstadt, Neckarkreis, Wuerttemberg, to:
Rosina Phillipe KAESTLE, born 18 October 1829, Stangenbach
Parents: Christian Gottlieb KAESTLE and Clara Catherina SCHWENZER
Cheers
AMBLY
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Johan Michael died 17 March 1879
His wife Rosina Phillipa died 3 October 1873.
It looks to me , as if at the time of thier respective parent's names being written in this Family book - only his mother was still living; her parents and his father were all deceased. You can see the mark denoting they are deceased, has been made before writing in the name ater it and that the 'deceased-mark' has not been added later, because his mother's name has been written in without being indented.
Cheers
AMBLY
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that's right abry as John married Rosina huber in 1893in Dublin and both parents dead could be same one
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thats man in America w
ho was looking
for him he could be right
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My great grandfather Gotlieb Huber born around 1852 came to America (Philadelphia) from Germany.
I think he was born in Wittenburg? He married Mary Magdalene Lemancher, she was born in Luzerne and raised in Basil. They had one child in Germany before coming to America where my grandmother, Carrie Huber was born in 1888.
I do not know anything else about him so I do not know if this is who you are looking for?
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my grand fathers brother was John Gotieb Huber. But what i know about the family my great grand father was born in 1864 and he was the second youngest out of 6. I think he was born in Weinberg Wutemberg or Baden. If you could source a marriage cert for your great grand father it would give his fathers name. But when my great grand parents married both his parents had passed on i have a photo of him also when he was getting married i could email it to you
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It's funny my father wrote my great grandfathers name as John Huber but I found a piece of paper with Gottlieb Huber written on it and that is the name listed on my grandmothers birth certificate.
I know nothing about him other than who he married, that he was from Wittenburg and about when they came to US (abt 1880). Someone on Ancestery has a Gotlieb 1852 as the son of Johan Jacob Huber and Johanna Gottliebin Traub. They had Christiane, Johan, Elisabethe, Johannes, Christof, Gotlieb and Regina. They were born in Stangenbach. Are any of these names on your tree?
Could you suggest how i could find marriage cert, I do not know where they were married or how to go about that. I have just started my ancestry search:)
Thanks!
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Hi Sandy
The HUBER name is common, so is 'Gottlieb" ,and PA was a popular destination for may german origin familes.
We would need all possible information from the US records first about your HUBER family!
Possibly starting your own new topic and linking it to this one would be a good idea (or have a moderator split your question off from Blue's (David's) old topic for you)!
When did your Gottlieb HUBER die?
What were the full names and births of all his children? Including the one born in Germany.
Cheers
AMBLY
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http://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/details/c541970538366
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Look at the army record this area beginging with s might be the same area
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,546924.0.html
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maybe it could be Stangenbach
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i think Gottlieb is George
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George in German is also Georg(e).
Gottlieb I don't think has an english equivalent.
Gott = God and Lieb = love
Cheers
AMBLY
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Thanks i am searching the german baptism and marriage records now.
I love what Gotlieb means!!
My father did write John instead of Gotlieb on a family tree, maybe he went by John in the US.
Thanks for your help, i really appreciate it! Tracing your roots is like being a detective!
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Very much so, being a detective ;D loads of fun!
Enjoy your searching Sandyrap ! And if you need help, just start a New Thread and ask away.
Do be very wary of the commonality of names in the German records also. Ideally you should perhaps start with finding your couple and their child arriving in the US on a passenger manifest.
And the reason I asked when Gottlieb died - if he was alive at time of 1900 Census, it should state a month and year of birth for him (I suspect however he may be the one who died 1897 in PA?).
Cheers
AMBLY
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click on the link below this is my grand fathers brother john GOTTLIEB HUBER on his marriage cert he has on it John George Huber
http://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/details/a872040067852
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Regarding are side of the family it is very hard to know as none of my family know much all we knew was that 4 brothers went to America. Philadelphia was the area left about the 1880s time mark my great grand father was one of the other brothers i think there was 7 in the family and he was second last on the list born about 1864 and i think the oldest brother was a farmer and he kept the farm going in Germany.
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the problem is that 1000s of familys with the surname huber went to america and its a hundred to one shot to find a connection as some german records were destroyed in wars
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Hi I just got a photo of my great grand father who was a Huber. Is there a way you can send me a pmand I can send you on my email address
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A new bit of history I came across about Huber family where they came from is on it. From Drogheda Independent