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Title: unknown crest
Post by: genealogistsykes on Tuesday 02 August 11 19:07 BST (UK)
Found this crest on the back of this envelope. On the front of the envelope it says: Niece's Curls, August 1872.

Inside the envelope are the hair curls from 1872. I can confirm that the crest does not belong to the following families who are my ancestors:

Family of Green
Family of Calmady
Family of Blakiston

Underneath the crest it says:

IN COELO CONFIDEMUS; We shall put our trust in heaven


Was wondering if anyone can tell me what family this crest belongs too?

Regards,

GenealogistSykes
Title: Re: unknown crest
Post by: aghadowey on Tuesday 02 August 11 19:09 BST (UK)
This thread might have something to do with it?
www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,547332.msg4008606.html
Title: Re: unknown crest
Post by: genealogistsykes on Tuesday 02 August 11 19:12 BST (UK)
yes that's the previous topic concerning the latin translation.
Title: Re: unknown crest
Post by: aghadowey on Tuesday 02 August 11 19:39 BST (UK)
Yes, see that you've now added the motto to the original post here.
Title: Re: unknown crest
Post by: behindthefrogs on Tuesday 02 August 11 22:45 BST (UK)
The motto is recorded as being associated with a Hill family.  This seems to be confirmed by the fact that a crest of a dove with an olive branch in its beak was used by various Hill families in Devon, Cornwall and Northamptonshire.  I cannot find any particular individual who used the crest and motto.
Title: Re: unknown crest
Post by: genealogistsykes on Wednesday 03 August 11 09:37 BST (UK)
Oh great news  ;D That makes sense as Geraldine Hill married Rev. Charles Everitt Green.

 On the front of the envelope it says: Niece's Curls - August 1872 which could possibly be the writing of Geraldine Green. All i need to do now is find her siblings and find a suitable child to associate the hair with.
Title: Re: unknown crest
Post by: behindthefrogs on Wednesday 03 August 11 09:58 BST (UK)
You need to be aware that in the second half of the 19th century many people used coats of arms and crests to which they had no entitlement, particularly on their stationery.  Thus while we may have correctly identified the name Hill as being the reason for the crest on the envelope it does not establish any relationship to a family entitled to bear arms.
Title: Re: unknown crest
Post by: ScouseBoy on Wednesday 03 August 11 10:02 BST (UK)
Why dont you look closely at what is embossed on the envelope?

In the top left of your photo of the envelope something is embossed  underneath the flap.  Is that a CLUE?
Title: Re: unknown crest
Post by: genealogistsykes on Wednesday 03 August 11 10:33 BST (UK)
That's:

C. HICKSON
Newcastle, Staffordshire - Maybe the name of the manufacture