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Research in Other Countries => Australia => Topic started by: rosball on Wednesday 03 August 11 02:44 BST (UK)
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Hello there,
I am trying to complete this story of some gg aunts and uncles. This is what I have discovered through ancestry and trove but there are several gaps (and I am trying to avoid downloading too many images). Any help would be very much appreciated.
I have Francis Edward Wadeson (1855-1927) married Elizabeth (Lizzie) Rasmussen (1865-1941)
Their children were all born in Tatura, Echuca, Victoria:
• Blanche Florence Wadeson (1888-1973) married Richard Alfred Wilkinson (1882-1962)
• John Herbert Wadeson (1889-1940) unmarried
• Francis Peter Wadeson (1891 ...???)
• Irena Mary Wadeson (1893-1981) married Sylvester McCabe(1893-1949) lived in Kiama NSW
• Ruby Charlotte Wadeson (1895-1929) married John Alexander Davison (1881-1963).
• Helena Constance Wadeson (1896-1897)
• Florence Evelyn Wadeson (1898 - ???)
• Victor Edward Wadeson (1900 - ???)
• Emily Ethel Wadeson (1902 ...???)
• William Arthur Wadeson (1903-1963)
• Richard Thomas Wadeson (1905-1960) married Christina Emily ?
Thanks,
Ros
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Electrol roll says that Francis Peter Wadeson was in
Residence: 1949 - Wollongong, Cunningham, New South Wales School Camp, Labourer
Florence Wadeson lived in Lennox street, Richmond in 1919 she was a Photographers assistant.
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Thanks - I shall look in NSW for him.
Ros
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Hi Ros,
Evelyn Florence WADESON m Douglas Jarrold GRAVES 1922 # 3792
Evelyn GRAVES d 1980 aged 82 Box Hill WADESON Francis and unknown mother # 20536
Maybe her husband??
Douglas Jarrold GRAVES d 1970 aged 70 Melbourne- John GRAVES and Catherine Ali MULLALY # 3856
Richard Thomas WADESON m Christina Emily Minnie TRANTER 1937 # 16777
Richard Thomas WADESON d 1960 aged 55 JORD # 9341
Can't see a death for Christine.
?? Arthur William WADESON m Mary Eliz PAUL 1929 # 3561
Can't see a death for Mary.
William is listed at his death in 1963 as William AlbertWADESON # 26185
Blanche married WILKINSON in 1942 # 22914
Regards
Alison
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Thanks Alison! That fills lots of gaps.
And now I have found death of Francis Wadeson in Wollongong 1950 on NSW BDM.
regards,
Ros
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Hi Ros,
Melbourne Directory 1869 (Sands)
Wadeson , Edward , 141 Kerr- street, F.
Wadeson, L., gardener , Buckland -street, Heid.
Victorian PO Directory 1888 (Wise)
Wadeson Francis & Richd.farmers, Balmattum
Wadeson Richd. & Thomas, Diamond Creek
Wadeson David, coffee palace, Loch
Wadeson Thomas, fruit grower, Diamond Creek
Regards
Gerry
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A Samuel Wadeson 34, single, from near Wangaratta enlisted in 1902 for active service in South Africa.
John Herbert Wadeson enlisted in the First AIF in August 1914. Mentioned in Dispatches twice, Commissioned and won a Military Cross, RTA in 1919.
Gerry
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Evelyn Florence GRAVES was cremated at Springvale.
Springvale Botanical Cemetery
Evelyn Florence GRAVES
Religion CHURCH OF ENGLAND
Date of Service 10/09/1980, cremated
Date of Death 6/09/1980
Location Details DIOSMA, POSITION IN ROSE BED, GARDEN 1 BED 46 POSITION 115
Tenure Date 16/04/2006
There is a later Donald GRAVES (no other forename given) d 2003 cremated at Springvale.
http://smct.org.au/
Judith
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Thanks Gerry but the Diamond Creek Wadesons are a different family but very confusingly (!) they called their children very similar names. I keep expecting to find a link further back but they seem to have come from a different part of England.
The Arthur William Wadeson marriage that Alison mentioned is part of the other Wadeson family (I think).
regards,
Ros
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Thanks Judith.
regards,
Ros
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TROVE has a mention of the death of Francis Edward WADESON of heart disease.
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/3883874?
There are a couple of other mentions if you search using Tatura + Wadeson including a Court case in 1911 where some-one supplied drink to Frank WADESON knowing he was prohibited!
http://trove.nla.gov.au
Judith
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Thanks Judith! I need to improve my search skills - I have spent a lot of time on Trove without finding these.
regards,
Ros
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I also restricted the search to Victorian newspapers, which cut out a few more! However the Eltham WADESONS keep getting in the way. There also seems to be another Frances WADESOn in Euroa area.
Judith
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Thanks Judith.
Perhaps I should rethink whether the Diamond Creek Wadesons are a separate family. Francis Edward Wadeson was born in Heidelberg, Vic to Edward Wadeson (1824-1889) and Francis Emma Mitchell (1796-1842). Edward Wadeson (my gg grandfather) lived in Heidelberg from his arrival in 1844 until 1865 when he deserted family and went to live in Tatura.
His parents were Samuel James Wadeson(1790-1881) of London and Romford Essex and Emily Minet (1796-1842).
I found an obit to Richard Wadeson from Diamond Creek saying that his family was from Lancashire so have recently been ignoring that family. And I didn't find a Richard Wadeson as (say) brother to Edward.
However Heidelberg is quite close to Diamond Creek and the children's names are very similar. I think I should relook at this. Hmmm and looking at the 1856 electoral roll for Heidelberg I see both an Edward Wadeson and Richard Wadeson there.
regards,
Ros
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Ros,
From the Cyclopedia of Victoria, the District of Heidelberg became a Shire on 27th January 1871 and Mr Richard Wadeson was the Shire President.
Gerry
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Thanks Gerry. Richard Wadeson seems to be the patriarch of the Diamond Creek mob but annoyingly I still can't find any link to my Wadesons.
There is a birth and a death of a Richard Wadeson in 1851-1852 in Heidelberg but he has a father of Laurence Wadeson who is also not linked to my Wadesons (as far as I know).
regards,
Ros
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Hello Ros,
Heidelberg and Diamond Creek are no that far apart ;)
Births of children all in Heidelberg to Edward WADESON and Francis Emma MITCHELL :
1. Elizabeth b 1851 Church of England KEELBUNDOORA { NOW HEIDELBERG } Fiche:369 # 25336 d Heidelberg aged 1 1852 { there are 2 entries ??#25443 and # 25470 Fiche: 370 and 371 Same church.
2. Elizabeth b 1853 Church of England KEELBUNDOORA { NOW HEIDELBERG } Fiche:370# 25447
3. Charlotte Ann b 1858 # 11113
4. Francis Edward b 1859 # 12397
5. Mary Anna b 1861 # 12831
6. John Lawrence b 1863 # 14741
In the same church were the marriages of:
Laurence WADESON and Mary OSWIN 1850 # 25421 Fiche: 370
and
Richard WADESON and Elizabeth Louisa BAKER 1853 # 25490 Fiche: 371
Laurence and Mary had 2 children Richard William b 1851 and Mary Sibyle b 1852 d 1853 all at Heidelberg at the same church.
Richard and Elizabeth had 7 children in Heidelberg and then 1 at DUCK in 1864 and then 5 at Violet Town then a death of a child at BALM in 1875 and then 1 Violet Town in 1878 { pretty close to Euroa}
Richard WADESON d 1858 aged 56 { birthplace LANC} - Richard and unknown mother # 8696
I think this is the father of Lawrence:
Lawrence WADESON d 1876 aged 62 { b LANC} - Richard WADESON and Sybella HEWITTSON # 5160
Mary WADESON d 1883 aged 71 Heidelberg - William OSWIN and Mary JOYCE # 8656
There was also a Thomas WADESON and Ann JACKSON having children in Ivanhoe and Heidelberg one having the name Mary Sabella " sic"
So Thomas, Lawrence, Richard and his son Richard all had Sybella in the names of daughters.
Thomas WADESON d 1891 aged 61 Diamond Creek -unknown parents # 14828
Richard WADESON d 1912 aged 87 Hawthorn -unknown parents #10257
Assisted Passengers:
WADESON EDW 21 FEB 1844 ROYAL CONSORT 2/3 165
Unassisted:
WADESON S MRS 38 AUG 1889 HARBINGER B 518 003
WADESON ---- MRS 45 NOV 1872 ALHAMBRA I N 120 001
WADESON ADA 13 NOV 1872 ALHAMBRA I N 120 001
WADESON FLORENCE 5 NOV 1872 ALHAMBRA I N 120 001
WADESON JULIA 7 NOV 1872 ALHAMBRA I N 120 001
WADESON WILLIAM 11 NOV 1872 ALHAMBRA I N 120 001
WADESON L 36 FEB 1855 GOLDFINDER B 086 007
A few WADESON Wills here to check out:
http://210.8.122.120/indexes/index_search_results.asp
I would be hunting down the church records which might have the parents names on the marriages ;)
Regards
Alison
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Thanks Alison - lots to think about. There does seem to be a cluster of Wadesons around Heidelberg and it not a common name.
I should add that Edward's elder brother Samuel also came out to Australia and went to live in Bathurst, NSW as a solicitor and it was quite easy to find articles in trove about his death and his wife's sad death as very few Wadesons in NSW. Ironic that the only relative I know about went to live somewhere entirely different.
regards,
Ros
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Sydney Directory 1863 (Sands)
COUNTRY ATTORNEYS.
Wadeson, Samuel, Bathurst, (Agents in Sydney M. C. Stephen)
Sydney Directory 1865 (Sands)
COUNTRY ATTORNEYS.
Wadeson, Samuel, Bathurst,(Agents, W Hellyer)
Gerry
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Thanks Gerry.
Apparently Samuel's business went downhill as he was suffering from epilepsy. And then not long after he died his wife threw herself down a well in grief at his death. Quite a sad story.
regards,
Ros
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Well it's all unravelling. :'( :'(
I thought I was certain (yes dangerous) about parents of Edward Wadeson (1824-1889) and Emma Frances Mitchell who married in St James Melbourne in 1849 (both residents of Heldelberg). No parents names on marriage cert.
On Alison's advice I contacted St James to see if church records had parents names but they replied to say no. (I also contacted St John's in Heidelberg where other Wadesons were married but no reply yet)
On a previous post you have told me that Edward died in Tatura on 13 Oct 1889 and there was a will but no entry in death index. So I presume there is no death certificate ...? Anyway if he had deserted family and was living alone it would probably not be informative.
So I went looking for Emma's death record again and I found she died in Sofala in 1901! What was she doing in Sofala when she and her children lived all their lives in Victoria? ???
I had previously dismissed this possible death as it had different parents (James and Mary) and age (66 at death in 1901) would make her 14 at marriage. There is a lovely picture of headstone in online Sofala cemetery - thank you to whoever is responsible! - which says she was 66.
With new search skills (Thanks Judith) I searched for Sofala+Wadeson and found a tribute notice in trove which confirms that it is her.
I'm off to Western Sydney Records Office in the hope of seeing her death certificate and find out more about her parents etc
regards,
Ros
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Hi Ros,
Did you get the names of the Witnesses to the marriages ? Quite often they are relatives ;)
Regards
Alison
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Hi Alison,
I can't make out the witnesses names - Robert someone of Melbourne and Carolyn Thompson? of Heidelberg - it was squashed in at the end.
And I was silly to think Western Sydney Records Office would have death certificate info - I was packed off by a very stern hassled woman - not a helpful welcoming place for beginners. I will have to wait patiently for the transcription to arrive to find out about my "new" gg grandmother.
regards,
Ros
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The transcript of death record for Frances Emma Wadeson (nee Mitchell) arrived :)
She was born in Harrow, England in approx 1833 with parents James Mitchell, coachman, and Mary Farrell. She was in Victoria for 28 years and NSW for 25 years and was 16 when she married Edward Wadeson in 1849 in Melbourne.
This means she was about 15 when she arrived in Australia around 1848. Was she a convict and/or did she come with her parents or alone?
I haven't been able to find her birth or her parents' marriage in UK, or their arrival in Australia. And searching for her parents living/dying in Australia - there seem to be lots of possibilities but no close fits.
Also (from death certificate) there was another daughter (which I didn't know about) = Blanche Wadeson b about 1865 and alive in 1901. I haven't been able to find her birth in Vic or NSW (or under name Mitchell in case parents had divorced)
I think this is a brick wall ...?
Any suggestions or help would be greatly appreciated.
regards,
Ros
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Electoral rolls show:
Blanche WADESON
1909 at 3 Cooke St, Abbotsford (Vic), tailoress
1914, 1919 at Rochester Rd, Canterbury, tailoress.
1914 also has the following WADESONs listed in Canterbury
William A WADESON, Canterbury Railway station , asst station manager, at the same address Christina Agnes WADESON (hd)
1919 shows William and Christine (same occupations) at 84 Rochester Rd, Canterbury
1919 William George WADESON at Harrow, Rochester Rd, Balwyn (I cannot read his occupation)
Unsure if this is the same person -
1931
at 86 Rochester Rd Canterbury
Blanche Florence WADESON, sewing
Also at 86 are William A WADESON and Christine Agnes WADESON.
At 84 Rochester Rd Balwyn: willian George WADESON, clerk
At 78 Union Rd, Canterbury: Lavinia Florence WADESON, home duties.
1936, 1942 (no other WADESONs at that address.
Blanche Florence WADESON, Higg's Rd, Drouin, home duties
Judith
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Thanks Judith. The first references seem to be her. I wonder why I can't find her birth or death.
The entries for Blanche Florence Wadeson were probably her niece, daughter of Francis Edward Wadeson and Elizabeth Rasmussen 1888-1973 and married Wilkinson in 1942.
regards,
Ros
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Hi Ros,
The only Blanche WADESONs on the register:
Blanche Elizabeth WADESON b 1874 Melbourne N - father unknown Elizabeth WADESON # 10362
Can't find a marriage or death for this one .
and
Blanche Florence WADESON b 1888 Tatura- Francis Edward WADESON and Elizabeth RASPMAN # 16138
Blanche WILKINSON d 1973 aged 84 Surrey Hills - Francis WADESON and Elizabeth unknown # 16974
William George WADESON d 1941 aged 44 Balwyn- William Alexander WADESON and Christine Agnes DUNLOP # 12789
Regards
Alison
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Thanks Alison. More to think about and look into.
regards,
Ros
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Emma had another daughter Elizabeth 1853-1879 so I am now thinking that the Blanche Elizabeth Wadeson b 1874 could have been Elizabeth's daughter and who Emma raised as her own. Well it's a possibility - I'll look into that.
regards,
Ros
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I'm a descendant of Richard Wadeson who settled in (Balmatten) Euroa, in the mid 1850's. Your findings of Francis Wadeson's family interests me. I believe him to be the eldest son of Richard Wadeson. If he is, he returned to to the Family farm at Balmatten & ran the farm after Richard returned to Melbourne due to Heart problems.
I notice that you refer to the Diamond Creek Wadesons as a different Family. The Diamond Creek Wadesons are Descendants Of Thomas Wadeson, Brother of Richard, & Laurance (Heidelberg) & another Brother - Edward. They all initially settled in Heidelberg, Laurance stayed, Thomas moved to Diamond Creek, & Richard moved to (Balmatten) Euroa. We don't know what happened to Edward. I'm of the opinion that Francis Edward Wadeson (Tatura) is the eldest son of Richard Wadeson (Balmatten) Euroa. You may have uncovered more details that may help me. Thanks Tony
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Hi Tony,
Welcome to rootschat :) :) Lovely to make contact with you.
I think I have sorted out all the Wadeson's now. Yes I was mistaken in thinking that the Diamond Creek family were a different branch.
I'm a descendant of Edward so I know what happened to him :)
I'll send you a pm (personal message) with my e-mail address. To read the message just click on "My Messages" in the brown banner at the top.
Ros