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Wales (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Wales => Topic started by: chrish53 on Friday 12 August 11 17:48 BST (UK)
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Not sure if I am posting this in the right place but, My late Grandfather; Henry Valentine 'Val' Howells, born Llandeilofawr 1893 and died Llanelly 1957. Married to Elizabeth Mary 'May' Staples 1919 when both were living on Albert street, Llanelly.
I remember from my late Father's reminiscences and his enthusiasm for the film 'Lawrence of Arabia' and his delight that one of my school texts was 'the seven pillars of wisdom', that 'Val' Howells was involved in the middle east with the Arab revolt against the ottomans during WW1. As part of Lawrence's supply train I seem to recall being told. I also know that much of his later life was blighted by injuries received during that war, possibly later on once British regiments were transferred to the western front to replace casualties. My cousin in Llanelli was sure that he had been gassed.
I cannot find a record or medal cardfor him in the archives, obviously because of the blitz. I have no idea which regiment/unit he was with as everyone of his generation within the family are long gone. I have no photos or any form of records apart from a copy of the wedding certificate that I purchased on line. Can anyone help me with this? Where do I start, what do I do? Etc,etc,etc.
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There is a Medal Index entry for a Henry V Howell (no S)
Royal Field Artillery
Regimental Number: L/41362
There is also a birth entry for a Henry Vincent Howell in 1879 so it may be his medal
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I have just checked freebmd and the Henry Vincent Howell b 1879 died in 1881
There is a birth for a Henry Victor Howell in 1898 who could be another possible candidate for the medal
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I have just checked freebmd and the Henry Vincent Howell b 1879 died in 1881
There is a birth for a Henry Victor Howell in 1898 who could be another possible candidate for the medal
A few known facts and apocryphal stories that may help anyone who can help me:
1: I apologise for not thanking you for your efforts sooner Carole, I have not been on RootsChat for some time and I do need to tidy things up a bit.
2: My cousin has been asking as she grew up in the same house as 'Val' and remembers that our grandmother told her that post WW1 he was a broken man. He died in Bryntirion Hospital, Llanelli on the 2nd Feb 1957 aged 63 (my age now).
3: I do recall my late father proudly telling me that his father, "Val', was in Egypt for some time and part of T. E. Lawrence's support column. Which suggests he was with a transport unit? It is also the reason Dad took me to see "Lawrence of Arabia" at the cinema.
4: We were told he was gassed on the western front, most British troops were withdrawn from the Middle East to bolster the forces in France and Flanders, I believe.
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There's a "snippet only" on FindMyPast under "H V Howell, soldier No. 891313" with an Egyptian link
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There's a "snippet only" on FindMyPast under "H V Howell, soldier No. 891313" with an Egyptian link
When I get round to renewing my FindMyPast membership, I shall have a look at that. I am building a store of records I need to look at.
Thank you.
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Something else to bear in mind is that he was born as plain Henry on 4/4/1893 Llandilo - both census he appears in shown him as plain Henry too even though younger siblings are shown with 2 Christian names. It's possible he could have enlisted as plain Henry Howells too.
Annette
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Something else to bear in mind is that he was born as plain Henry on 4/4/1893 Llandilo - both census he appears in shown him as plain Henry too even though younger siblings are shown with 2 Christian names. It's possible he could have enlisted as plain Henry Howells too.
Annette
This is quite true, his birth certificate also shows him as just Henry Howells. When the Valentine middle name came in sadly we may never know. However, his marriage certificate and death certificate all show Valentine. He was known as Val, this I know from newspapers where he was shown as attending funerals where he was noted as Val Howells. On one occasion: Val Howells, his wife May and son Spencer (my Dad who was Henry Spencer). Added info. I have looked for Val and Valentine Howells.
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Would this be your man 3/4 of the way down column 4. http://newspapers.library.wales/view/4114868/4114871/40/ (http://newspapers.library.wales/view/4114868/4114871/40/)
A search throws up references to bandmaster William Howells of Clarence Rd, Llandilo being the father with another son William awarded the military medal.
Edit: The medal card for Private. Henry Howells 4152 Welsh Regiment would appear be a good match for this man given the references in the welsh papers to the Dardanelles, a reported promotion to Lance Corporal, plus the personal recollections.
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Would this be your man 3/4 of the way down column 4. http://newspapers.library.wales/view/4114868/4114871/40/ (http://newspapers.library.wales/view/4114868/4114871/40/)
A search throws up references to bandmaster William Howells of Clarence Rd, Llandilo being the father with another son William awarded the military medal.
Edit: The medal card for Private. Henry Howells 4152 Welsh Regiment would appear be a good match for this man given the references in the welsh papers to the Dardanelles, a reported promotion to Lance Corporal, plus the personal recollections.
The newspaper report at first I was dubious as William was a stonemason. However, my cousin informs me William was also a musician so this could be correct as the last record I have is 1911 Census and who knows what happened up to 1915. Comparing the picture in that report with the only photo I have that includes him that was taken in 1944 does show a marked similarity so I am now 80% sure it is him. I shall now go to the Military record to see if any more details correspond.
Thank you very much, most appreciated.
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Check the address given in this further report (halfway down column 5) against the address you have for the family in 1911. http://newspapers.library.wales/view/4013486/4013489/31/ (http://newspapers.library.wales/view/4013486/4013489/31/)
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Check the address given in this further report (halfway down column 5) against the address you have for the family in 1911. http://newspapers.library.wales/view/4013486/4013489/31/ (http://newspapers.library.wales/view/4013486/4013489/31/)
This looks spot on! I at first I thought this could not be right as they lived in Cubits Court, forgetting that they had moved by the 1911 census. Once again thank you everybody.