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Have obtained the marriage certificate of my g grandfather James O'Shea (Shea on his birth certificate) and g grandmother Annie O'Shea nee O'Shea (who also appears as Shea on 1901 census). They were married in St Nicoholas Church Carrick On Suir Tipperary on the 14th Feb 1915.
From this I managed to get Annie's birth certificate and now have her mothers maiden name; Mary 'Cody'.
Am a bit at a loss how to go back any further. I have Annies parents estimated ages from the 1901 and 1911 census' and know that her father was Michael Shea and her mother Mary Shea nee Cody. I am presuming that Annie's parents marriage cert would be a good start, but having difficulty finding it.
Any help would be appreciated.
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Have you the copy of the 1911 census for Michael and Mary Cody Shea? if you have it should show how long they were married and give an approximate marriage date that may help to find the marriage. You can either try rootsireland - a pay site or search the civil registration Index at family search.org I can't check the census as the site is down at the moment.
annclare
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without the 1911 census details it's a long shot... but a possible marriage cross-match for the two names mentioned :
Name: Mary Coady
Registration district: Carrick-On-Suir
Event type: Marriage
Quarter and year: Jan-Mar 1884
Volume: 4 / Page : 459
name: Michael Shea
[same references as Mary]
Shane
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Looks like thats the one, just viewed the marriage details, names match and address conincides with that found on the census.. great.
So now I have the name of Michaels father; Patrick Shea and Marys father; Nicholas 'Coady' (another new surname spelling!). Their mothers details appear to be incorrect - looks like the name of the church and priest as opposed to mothers names.
Would you suggest I now go back to the census to get more info on these new ancestors?
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Having another difficulty finding info with this line.
I have my g granfathers birth cert:
James Shea, born Jul 1891, Carrick On Suir Workhouse, mother Ellen Shea, no father listed.
Marriage cert:
Married Anne (Annie) Shea (20 years), St Nicholas Church Carrick on Suir, address Ballyrichard Rd, date 14th Feb 1915, fathers nameonly recorded as O'Shea.
Death Cert:
Died 1981, St Pancras London.
Also on his military papers it lists his mother as living in 'Garryrue' (or least thats what it looks like!) Carrick on Suir.
Anyone have any suggestions how I find any more info re James' mother Ellen Shea?
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I have my g granfathers birth cert:
James Shea, born Jul 1891, Carrick On Suir Workhouse, mother Ellen Shea, no father listed.
Marriage cert:
Married Anne (Annie) Shea (20 years), St Nicholas Church Carrick on Suir, address Ballyrichard Rd, date 14th Feb 1915, fathers nameonly recorded as O'Shea.
Death Cert:
Died 1981, St Pancras London.
Also on his military papers it lists his mother as living in 'Garryrue' (or least thats what it looks like!) Carrick on Suir.
Anyone have any suggestions how I find any more info re James' mother Ellen Shea?
There's a couple of townlands in Co. Tipperary named Garryroe that might fit - none called Garryrue that I see on the townland database : www.thecore.com/seanruad
Is the marriage record you mentioned a civil cert or some sort of parish record ?
Unfortunately the lack of father's and husband's names on those records is going to make it very difficult to track down other details - since they are clues usually used to confirm, or rule out, any connections.
Shane
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None of the Garrryroe townlands appear to be near Carrick on Suir they all seem to be nearer and west of Clonmel.
If you are not sure of the original name can you scan part of the document and attach and perhaps somebody might be able to help deciphering it.
annclare
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Hopefully I've done this correctly. Its the placename next to 'mother Ellen O'Shea'...
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could you remove the full image - full certs etc are not supposed to be posted on RootsChat
I've attached an extract of the document showing just the placenames.
Shane
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Thanks Shane, full doc removed.
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It does look like Garryrue ..
maybe it's a local name for a section of the town, rather than an actual townland ?
Shane
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It seems fairly clear that it is Garryrue Carrick on Suir but doesn't help as to where the townland is. This maybe grasping at straws but.... there is a Garnarea or Garrynarea which is over the border in Kilkenny between Pilltown and Carrick. While the placename database shows it in Co Kilkenny Bassets Directory of Tipperary 1889 gives Garrynarea Carrick on Suir.
It probably is just on the borders between Kilkenny and Tipperary.
It could be worthwhile looking at the census in Kilkenny just in case.
annclare
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I checked three directories for Carrick-on Suir -Bassetts 1889 Slater 1856 and Pigots 1827 and there is no reference to a Garryrue/Garryroe in the town unfortunately. The nearest is Garnarea/Garrynarea
There is website for the town
http://www.carrickonsuir.info/
Maybe posting a query there could turn up something.
annclare
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Thanks for all your help, you've offered a few possibilities that I will keenly explore. Its only a small detail, but you never know what it may lead too. Also, when you only have a few pieces of 'definate' info, its satisfying to know that at least you have them correct.
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Hi, Garryrue was a local name in the town of Carrick on Suir at the turn of the 19th-20th Century. Its Gaelic name was Garrai Rua (Red Gardens) anglicised to Garryrue. The Garryrue extended from the rear of Lough St to the rear of New St, Carrick (the present Pearse Square). Hope this is of some help.
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hi hannomd01,
i live in carrick and would like to let you know that the garryrue was an area in the town, opposite the green, it was a laneway near the centre of the town. just in case you have been able to confirm where it was, it is now known in the area of Pierce Square. my mother was also born there. hope this helps, and hope you get this as i am new to this page.
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Thanks for this information. Finding out this place name is just a small piece of a very large puzzle. Lots still to find out, but every little helps.
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Garryrue is the corrupted version of 'An gáirdín Rua.' (The red garden) Yes, it was in the area that is now known as Pearse Sguare. It extends from what was Town Wall down to 'The Green'. With Lough Street on west side of it and New Street on the east side. ( a layperson's guide) Am open to correction on this, but It is the general area..
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Hi
Would Gorryrue be the name of the the street/lane they lived in in Carrick on suir. I am from the Cunningham family and they lived in the Garrai Rue or Gorryrue which is also known as RED GARDEN LANE?
Hope this sheds some light on the matter.
Paul
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Garraí Rua was the name of area within the town of Carrick-on-Suir.It means the Red Garden where there was blood shed in a battle .If you want to try to connect with people from Carrick-n-Suir I suggest that you have a look on Facebook,the site is called 'Things I miss about Carrick-on-Suir'
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Hi there
Thanks Patsy. It's a sad but interesting story that of the Garraí Rue.
Cheers
Paul
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Thanks for all your help, you've offered a few possibilities that I will keenly explore. Its only a small detail, but you never know what it may lead too. Also, when you only have a few pieces of 'definate' info, its satisfying to know that at least you have them correct.
There was a place called Garryrua in Carrick -on-Suir its English translation is Red Garden Lane .I looked at 1911 and 1901 Census but couldn't find any of your names there.
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Hi Hammond 01
I think I am researching the same Ellen Shea as you. She was the daughter of James Shea and Bridget Marshall of Carrick on Suir, and was the sister of my ggrandfather Michael Shea. If you also think they are the same Ellen Shea please let me know. I am trying to find where and when she died. Hope you can help.