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A relative of mine. Edmund Fitzmaurice b1809 in Ardfert became an Excise Officer in1838. He was then posted to Waterford. After this I cannot find any trace of him.
When my GGGgrandfather Edward Glover married Edmunds daughter Eliza Ann Fitzmaurice in 1857 at Darleston near Wolverhampton, one of the witnesses was a Mary Fitzmaurice. This could have been a sister or mother. Eliza's father was on the certificate as an Excise Officer. Whether he was there at the wedding I do not know, he would of been about 46 years old by then.
Edward and Eliza had a son Edward Fitzmaurice Glover born 1867. E. F. Glover had 4 children, Clara b1890 Ireland, Eliza b1892 Ireland, Philip b1894 Clowne Derby and David b1896 Grimsby.
I cannot find out where the two girls were born in Ireland. Was it Ardfert( Edumds home). Or Waterford where Edmund was an Excise Officer.
Does anyone have any ideas where I can find info on them?
I would like to know if there are any records held in Ireland about Excise Officers
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Edward and Eliza had a son Edward Fitzmaurice Glover born 1867. E. F. Glover had 4 children, Clara b1890 Ireland, Eliza b1892 Ireland, Philip b1894 Clowne Derby and David b1896 Grimsby.
I cannot find out where the two girls were born in Ireland. Was it Ardfert( Edumds home). Or Waterford where Edmund was an Excise Officer.
Does anyone have any ideas where I can find info on them?
I would like to know if there are any records held in Ireland about Excise Officers
There are a few possible matches for the birth of Eliza on the Irish BMD Index around the right - all in Northern Ireland. See :
Eliza Glover 1890-1894 (https://www.familysearch.org/search/records#count=20&query=%2Bgivenname%3AEliza~%20%2Bsurname%3Aglover~%20%2Bbirth_year%3A1890-1894~&collection_id=1408347&birth_place0=5)
no sign of any Clara Glover births around 1890, but there are two listed as Female - i.e. a Christian name had not been decided at the time of registration :
Female Glover births 1888-1892 (https://www.familysearch.org/search/records#count=20&query=%2Bgivenname%3AFemale~%20%2Bsurname%3Aglover~%20%2Bbirth_year%3A1888-1892~&collection_id=1408347)
I think the best place to search for records of excise officers for this time would be the National Archives in Kew.
Have you found any of this Glover family (E.F. and wife and children) on any Irish or English census returns ?
Shane
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Try google books - an ancestor of mine was an excise officer in England and I found details of his retirement age, reason and pension in a list in an old book.
sorry, can't get link atm!
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Yes, there are other threads around at present featuring excise officers. They were moved around frequently by HMG in order to minimise favouritism and corruption. Apparently there are records at the National Archives, but they are not indexed which slows down searching them.
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I've found Edward Fitzmaurice Glover on the 1881 census at Sculcoates which is an area of Hull Yorkshire. I also know he died in 1933 and is buried in Cleethorpes.
I feel that Edward or at least Eliza went back to Ireland as the two girls were born there. My guess is that she went to her parents or other relatives wherever they were at the time.
I went to the N.A. Kew last week and looked at the Cust 47 minutes of Excise. There are 750 volumes. They go by years and there are several books to a year. I found Edmund and he went from the Tralee Collection to Waterford Collection in 1838. I have his appointment papers.
Thanks for every bodies input, hope I can help someone too.
Phil.
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One thing surprises me about the exciseman in my trees is that he is stationed at an inland village Heckington Lincs, not on coast some 15 miles away. Why would there be an exciseman there I wonder?
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I'm not certain exactly what kind of revenue these land-locked Excise men were involved in, but believe it was the Coastguard that looked after the coastal functions - e.g. excise collection, preventing smuggling etc
Shane
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I wonder if during the 18th and 19th century it was to collect the revenue resulting from the corn laws?
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The only article I've found so far that helps on what they did, mentions an excise man seizing a still, presumably Poitín, in Co. Donegal.
Maybe there's a previous topic about what they did in the occupations section of RootsChat ?
Shane
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Yes, I would imagine that had to be done nationwide, as illicit stills were I believe very common. I also believe the clergy were often partakers of this product.
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My ancestor was a retired parish excise officer in Leicestershire, and seems to have spent a large part of his working life in the Leic and Warwickshire areas. So I doubt that coastguard duties were part of his life!
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As my excise man was qualified for surveying Brewers,Maltsters, Distillers,Brandy Wine, Tea, Tobacco Dealers and Spirit Retailers, he could be sent anywhere.
I suppose that as they worked for the government they were not well liked. I'm surprised that he became an Excise man as he came from a small village.
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Who was it that said the only certainties in life are death and taxes? One difference between the two is that taxes can be evaded.
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Hello
I have been trying to trace any relatives of my Great x 3 Grandfather Edmund Fitzmaurice. I had not been on Roots before so I have had to sign in to reply. You are the first person I know with a connection
Mary Fitzmaurice was Elizabeth's mother. Mary is on the 1851 Census and her sister Elizabeth Williams. She would have been at her daughter's marriage.
The 3 children were baptised in Ireland and I have proof of David's baptism in Tralee as he is my direct line. He died quite quite young.
I also have all the documentation of his exams and admittance in to his profession of Excise officer which I obtained from The National Archives. We have had to transcribe it as it was difficult to read
There is a puzzle as to whether they split up or Edmund died. On the 2 census I have for Mary she says she is a widow but she died in 1861. On the Excise docu.... at the very top is scribbled- retired but not very clearly and a date.
Elizabeth was baptised in Cork (census ) and Edmund in Formoy, Cork(census) I am having great difficulty finding any Birth or Marriage for Edmund Fitzmaurice but I keep searching.
Could you tell me how you know he went to Waterford as I do not have that info.
I can find some deaths in Ireland that may have been Edmunds but non in England but it was the time of the potato famine.
There were only 3 children;Elizabeth, David and Edmund although Mary's sister is on the 1861 census. Her name is Elizabeth. They are not on the 1841 Census so may have been in Ireland.
I hope that helps and if you need anymore info let me know
Regards
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Hello MadThemad
I am checking to see if you found the reply I sent with all the info you want
Katy60
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Hi Katy60.
Sorry I've taken so long in replying but I never received your reply and have had trouble with my emails. I now have a new email so should be alright to receive any more news. I have a marriage certificate for Edward Glover and Eliza Ann Fitzmaurice. They were married at Burton-On-Trent on 20th December 1857. Edward died on the 29 July 1878 at Drypool Sculthorpe Hull Yorkshire. Eliza remarried someone called Charles Pywell in the September quarter 1882. I cannot find either of their deaths at the moment. I saw written on Edmund Fitzmaurice Excise papers the word Waterford and presumed he went there after training. I hope you are well. Philip
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Hi,
You may have already seen this, but just in case :)
Death
Eliza Ann PYWELL Jun Q 1906 Hull 9d 106
Age: 68
Regards,
Daisy
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Hi Daisy.
Thank for that information, I'll check it out. Sorry for the long delay in replying I've been busy with another line of investigation. I was checking Glovers again in Wales and Cornwall.
All the best.
Phil.