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I'm looking for any information on the above and his family. He was born c1850-1857. Marriage cert says he was 30, cns 1901 says he was 48, 1911 says he 58, at death in 1913 says he was born 1857 age 56 . Its more likely to be early 1850's I think though. He was born in Co Kilkenny, father Patrick a farmer. He was a Policeman when he married and lived at Green St Dublin at that time but married in Julianstown, Meath, as thats where his wife was born and raised, she was aged 26 at marriage.
they were in Dublin on the 1901 and 1911 no. 4 Sackville Gardens, and all their children born in Dublin City. First child born 1881.
Any info would be appreciated. many thanks
Catherine
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You would need to know which parish Patrick was born in to search for a baptism record. Do you have any clues as to which part of Co. Kilkenny he came from ?
It might be worth following up the handfull of Patrick Ring entries on Griffith's in Co. Kilkenny to see if you can link one of them through parish records as father of your Patrick. See : Ring surname, Co. Kilkenny (http://www.askaboutireland.ie/griffith-valuation/index.xml?action=doNameSearch&Submit.x=71&Submit.y=13&familyname=ring&firstname=&baronyname=&countyname=KILKENNY&unionname=&parishname=)
Shane
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On a search of Kilkenny church records on www.rootsireland.ie 3 Patrick Rings whose father is also Patrick show up 1848 - 1858
1853 Danesfort RC, mother's name Mary
1854 Danesfort RC, mother's name Bridget
1858 St Patrick's Kilkenny City, mother's name Mary - this one is unlikely as you say father was farmer.
Records cost €5 each to view.
I'm not sure how complete the Kilkenny records are so maybe use in conjunction with Griffiths as Shanew suggested
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Thank you Shane and Agho for your replies and research help.
Unfortunately I don't have any clue as to where in Co Kilkenny he was from. There are no clues he left behind unfortunately, I will take a look at the link you posted and try to cross check with Griffiths.
Many thanks again
Catherine
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One other source that might be worth looking into is DMP records. If these are anything like the RIC record books, they might show a place of joining up and a sponsor. The sponsor was usually someone prominent in the local community. These can often be a clue to place of origin.
Shane
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From Jim Herlihy's DMP book:
Ring, Patrick, DMP 7771, born 1853, Danesfort, Co. Kilkenny.
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Hi and thanks to all of you for your help on this topic.
My distant relative has retrieved from her file a copy of the extract of the register of officers etc and it is the same one you refer to dublin1850, Post town is Cuffgrange and recommended by PP. P O'Brien. I think the dates may be wrong on it as it says 'A' Div 20/2/1872, 'C' Div 14/3/1872, Date of joining, promotion etc 4th rate 9/8/1872 and resigned 12/8/1872.
Is there any way at all of finding out where this PP was based at that time as I take it this would have been his Patrick's home parish.
Thanks
Catherine
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In 1877 there's a Patrick O'Brien listed as the parish priest in 'Deansfort', in the Diocese of Ossory, along with curates Martin Keoghan and Thomas Dooley. I presume that's an alternate spelling for Danesfort.
I'll check the 1872 listing for you this evening..
Unfortunately the notes on the NLI index for this parish (listed as Danesford & Cuffe's Grange) include the notation 'The pages are bound out of order and many are missing'. The NLI film reference is Pos. 5025
Shane
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Hi Shane, well it still sounds very promising even if the records are missing as it was probably this priest who recommended Patrick. Thats great if you could do that, I really appreciate it.
Many thanks
Catherine
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Patrick O'Brien was PP in Danesfort/Deansfort back to 1868 at least..
1872 Patrick O'Brien, Deansford (curates : John Knaresboro, Patrick Shorthall)
1868 Patrick Brien, Deansford (curates : John Knasebo[?], Richard Walsh)
only other listing for the name as a parish priest during that time is a Patrick J. O'Brien in Tuam Diocese in 1868 1872 and 1877
Shane
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So it appears this is the correct Patrick then, thank goodness we can put this one to bed now!! thank you so much for your help Shane.
Regards
Catherine
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Callan (Kilbride) cemetery
James Canavan; Bridget st Callan
4/3/1942 (69)
Richard Canavan;
10/9/1942
Julia Canavan;
8/11/1945
Mary O Brien;
8/9/1963
Mary RING;
31/3/1964 (84)
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Jack
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Thanks Jack
Im not sure this is connected but I'll take a look.
Catherine
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Patrick Ring was born Feb 5 1853 in Danesfort Co Kilkenny. His father was Patrick (1812-1879) also and his mother Mary Mc Grath (1815-1889).
The siblings were Richard, Bridget Mary, Thomas, and John.
Patrick joined the DMP and you have his records but as noted there seems to be an error in the file as the date of leaving the force seems to precede his assignment to Green Street
He married Elizabeth Griffith of Julianstown on 22 Nov 1880.
He moved to Sackville Gardens -No 4 - in 1887.
The couple had six children - Christopher, Patrick, William ( Liam) , Mary, Joseph and Leo.
The eldest is listed in the 1911 census as living in No 5 Sackville Gardens.
Patrick Ring died in 1913 and Elizabeth in 1925( co-incidentally on their wedding anniversary).
Two other points to note - the four sons all fought in the GPO in 1916 and were interned afterwards.
Liam O Rinn became chief translator in Dail Eireann and was a noted Irish scholar - he also translated the National Anthem from its original English into Irish.
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Catherine, My great great grandfather was Patrick Ring born in Kilkenny, joined DMP and moved to Dublin and lived in 4 Sackville Gardens. His children were Christopher, Patrick, Liam, Leo, Joseph and Elizabeth Mary. His son Patrick moved to Bray after marriage and returned to 6 Sackville Gardens at some stage. His son Christopher lived at 5 Sackville Gardens. His son Joseph lived at 24 Clonmore Terrace, Ballybough, Dublin. His son Liam lived on the Seafield Road in Clontarf. Think this is the same Patrick you are referring to but what is your connection? Patrick Junior was my grandfather and my mother is Elizabeth Ring.
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Hi Nuala
Long time since I was on here so I'll have to recall from memory.
You are correct with your information on the Ring family.
Elizabeth Griffith from Julianstown who married Patrick Ring in 1880 was my husband's great aunt. Her brother William Griffith also born in Julianstown, married twice in Dublin, his 2nd wife was my husband's great grandmother Esther Smyth. William died in 2004 leaving 9 children who all stayed in Dublin throughout their lives. William Griffith was a carpenter initially but then went on to head up the many family businesses including property shops and pubs which enabled them to live a very good life.
Maybe we could let each other have access family trees. Do you have a website where you have your tree?
Catherine
ps. I was actually in Danesfort just a couple months ago!
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Hi Catherine, do have a family tree but is is on paper. The information gleaned here has filled in many gaps and searching the census there is plenty to add in. Will have a look at it over christmas as my other is staying here with me. I was born in Birmingham, England but now live in Castlecomer. My mother has photographs back in Dublin of Elizabeth and her three brothers also.
Where are you living?
Be in touch.
Regards, Nuala
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Hi Catherine, speaking to mother today about Elizabeth Griffith and she says very little is known about her apart from she was from Meath and a different town to Julianstown but I trust your research which I have also followed this evening. Do you know if Patrick's father in Danesfort had any other siblings as Castlecomer where I live has a number of Ring families and I have a funny feeling that we are all somehow connected. A friend who carries out work for all of them asked them years back and they said no, but somehow I think the Kilkenny location and similarity of naming children is too much of a coincidence. This is all new to me but between working, family and completing a degree it all got sidelined. Have a cousin in Dublin whose is researching along with a couple of others too according to mother. Will try and put together what I have and let you have that. One question the William Griffith who passed in 2004, is he the son of Elizabeth's brother William, or her brother, if the latter what year was he born?
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Hi Nuala
Well there is just so much information to share I couldn't possibly do it all on here, if you have an email I will forward some photos and give you as much info as I possibly can on the Ring family. Another descendant of the Griffith family who lives in Canada is also researching and we share all of our knowledge on the family, she is very good in that she updates her tree constantly, I have bursts of it and then have to leave it for a while as I get overloaded with it all.
I will send you a private message on here and give you my email address
Catherine
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By the way, the picture you see on my profile is actually William Griffith born GRIFFITHS, in Meath in 1846, the rest of his siblings were all baptised GRIFFIN, but they were one and the same family all with the same parents. You will find the surnames of people did change over time mainly because not everyone was literate so the misspelling happened a lot by priests entries.
It was this William who died in 1904.
Catherine
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Hi all, I have recently discovered the Patrick Ring (DMP) who left Kilkenny and went to Dublin father was also a Patrick Ring born in 1812 in Bennetsbridge along with some interesting reading on how he was treated in 1843 by his landlord Richard Shee. There is a Jackaline Ring who posted a message that I suspect is a sibling of Patrick. Have no idea where she lives now and cannot reply to message posted in 2005 just posting this up in the hope that perhaps she is still living. Her message relates to Patrick Ring 1840 to 1850. Have gone back a little further into the Rings 1700s but still researching this part.
Rings of Ballyredding and Bennettsbridge
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Rings of Ballyredding and Bennettsbridge
Jackaline Ring (View posts)
Posted: 28 Aug 2005 3:02 GMT
Classification: Query
Surnames: Ring
Patrick Ring & Bridget Ryan's children were Thomas(1790), John (1793) & Mary (1796), baptized Diocese of Ossary, Jerpoint. Seeking information on their siblings & descendents - specifically any connections to John, William and Patrick Ring, property owners (farmers) in Ballyredding North and Bennettsbridge in 1848.
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Welcome to Rooschat, Nuala, but I think you might be looking for someone who posted on another site called Rootsweb-
http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.ireland.kik.general/3551/mb.ashx
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I did indeed just to increase possible contacts, have been on here before speaking to Thistlebay.
Many thanks, Nuala
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There is a Ring Headstone in Bennettsbridge Co. Kilkenny The village of Bennettsbridge was in Roman Catholic parish of Danesfort up to about 1843. Bennettsbridge is now in Parish of Tullaherin
I will take down the headstone details shortly.
Have you looked for Rings on the 1901 or 1911 census.
Bennettsbridge is spelled with one t in 1901 but two in 1911
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Thank you. Visited little church and graveyard in Danesfort a short while ago with my mother. I have indeed checked the Census records have been at this for some time. Mother side are all based in Dublin but knew there was some connection with Kilkenny but did not no where. Finally traced that with the help of Frank Kavanagh and traced back to my great, great, great grandfather Patrick Ring from that area born in 1812. He was a tenant farmer of the Shea's but suffered badly when the original owner passed and his brother took over. This was Richard Shee or Shea if I remember correctly and he inflicted as much harm as possible on my ancestor and his young family including eviction. However, he survived 1843 and in 1853 they had Patrick Ring my Great great grandfather and all I knew what he left Kilkenny and moved to Dublin with a reference from the PP in Danesfort.
Could not find any headstone in that small church and the one in Bennetsbridge looked to new. Any help you can give would really be appreciated. You can email me if you wish especially if you know of surviving relatives. The Rings travelled far and wide and have traced them to America, Australia in particular and others parts of the world. Many thanks again.
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St Bennet's Church in Bennettsbridge was built in 1969. It replaced a smaller old Church. The old Church was surrounded by graves in the site adjoining. The old Church walls were taken down. New graves are actually in the area where old Church once stood. Some headstones date back to 1800's
I will post headstone details shortly.
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So looking in the wrong place! Think there are a few Rings left in Danesfort/Bennetsbridge. Thanks a million.
Nuala
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http://www.from-ireland.net/bennetsbridge-graveyard-records-kilkenny/
Link Bennettsbridge graveyard records, alphabetical list
some Rings included.
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Thanks a million. Yes I would say pretty certain they are our Rings my ggg grandfather Patrick Ring born 1812 had brothers I think his Uncle was John and born some time in 1700s. Have some work to do on those two lines. Guessing these are relatives somewhere along the line. Definitely worth contacting PP and making a trip out there.
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I have found the Ring grave plot, two limestone headstones surrounded by one limestone kerb.
The plot is near the left hand corner, towards the Priest's house.
Erected by M Ring in loving memory of his father John Ring Ballyreddin who died 9 April 1884 aged 70. Also his sister Anastatia died 17 March 1882 aged 23 years. Also his brother Michael died 20 Nov 1880 aged 2 years. The above Martin Ring died 13 July 1920. Also his son John Ring died 3 June 1928 and his wife Margaret Ring died 7 June 1941 R I P
The second headstone proved more difficult to read The year 1855 might be 1833
Erected by Patrick Ring of Ballyreddin in memory of his son John who departd this life 27 May 1855
aged 28 years
Friends draw near and wipe off your tears for there I live until Christ appears
When he appears it is then I will rise and lead a life that never dies
Thomas Ring died 1 Nov 1924
Jack Ring died 4 Jan 1940
Jim Ring died 6 Jun 1962
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https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1864/03593/2324877.pdf
Martin Ring Ballyredding birth 1864
father John Ring farmer
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1884/06322/4813143.pdf
Death 1884 John Ring age 68 yrs farmer Ballyreddin
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1881/06437/4849571.pdf
Death 1881 John Ring age 58 yrs Farmer Ballyreddin