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I am looking for my grandfather Frederick William Spackman born 1874 died 30th December 1949. His address when he died was 21 Verney Road, Dagenham. I do not know where he was born, I only know that he went to Cambridge, married in 1908, was blinded in the First World War and had, as I have been told, 22 children including my father Charles Henry George Spackman.
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Did he marry Alice Dorothy Lee?
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1881 census has him, parents and siblings here:
Reference RG11, Piece 181, Folio 27, Page 29
Cottage in Yard (between 74 & 75 Osnaburgh Street), St Pancras, Middlesex
Spackman, James T Head M 33 Plasterer b Marylebone
Spackman, Matilda Wife F 34 b Paddington
Spackman, George H Son M 8 Scholar b Paddington
Spackman, Frederick W Son M 6 Scholar b Paddington
Spackman, Jemima Daughter F 4 b St Pancras
Spackman, Arthur S Son M 2 b St Pancras
Spackman, Rebecca A Daughter F 4 months b St Pancras
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1891
RG12 141/38/24
Same family as KGarrad found
7 Anatola Rd Islington
Says Frederick was born Kilburn as does the latest census
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baptism Holy Trinity, Kilburn, Middx
16 Jan 1876 Frederick William son of James Thomas & Mary Ann Spackman, Plasterer, of Clarence Cottage, Munster Street. born 2 Apr 1874
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Hi,
Using FreebMD I have think I have found the birth of your father, giving his mother's maiden name as LEE, which fits with the Frederick's mother-in-law in the latest census.
This looks like the right marriage,
Frederick William SPACKMAN Dec Q 1909 Shoreditch 1c 171
Alice Dorothy LEE
Putting in the surname SPACKMAN with mother's maiden name LEE brings up quite alot of matches 5 of which are in the same registration district as your father. I cannot find another SPACKMAN/LEE marriage so they could all be siblings.
We are not allowed to list details of possibly living people here so I'll leave the FreeBMD/Ancestry search to you to see if you recognise any of the names that come up.
Regards,
Daisy
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Hi,
Using FreebMD I have think I have found the birth of your father, giving his mother's maiden name as LEE, which fits with the Frederick's mother-in-law in the latest census.
This looks like the right marriage,
Frederick William SPACKMAN Dec Q 1909 Shoreditch 1c 171
Alice Dorothy LEE
Putting in the surname SPACKMAN with mother's maiden name LEE brings up quite alot of matches 5 of which are in the same registration district as your father. I cannot find another SPACKMAN/LEE marriage so they could all be siblings.
We are not allowed to list details of possibly living people here so I'll leave the FreeBMD/Ancestry search to you to see if you recognise any of the names that come up.
Regards,
Daisy
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Thankyou to everyone who posted information about my grandfather Frederick William Spackman :) It would seem likely that it is him and I will continue to research him and my grandmother whose name I did not know but as my father had a sister Alice then this matches pretty well. This has set me on a journey as if this is him then his origins are very different from what I was led to believe by my father and I intend to find out as much as I can.
I also think that this is going to be fun and it's great that my children have got involved too!
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Frederick William Spackman is my Great Grand Father and I have plenty of info on him. I have sent you a message with my e-mail address so that you can contact me directly.
Regards
Browny
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It would seem that we share the same grandfather.
I was given his name as my middle names. I was named as John Frederick William Porter at birth but my name is now John Porter-Weiss. My mother was Clara Spackman, changed to Porter after marriage. His widow Alice I think, who I also seem to remember, preferred to be called Elizabeth (my/our grandmother) and claimed to be originally a Romany gypsy lived with us until the 1960s. (my sister has her name Alice as her middle name). I still remember her reading tea leaves in our front room
However, i do not think that he was blinded in the first world war although he was temporarily blinded in a gas attack. I believe he became blind in later life due to a combination of cataracts glaucoma and stroke. My grandmother used to tell us stories of how he used to rage against God as he was losing his sight (unfortunately I also have glaucoma and cataracts and have had mini-strokes. I have also lost some sight due to this myself). He received a pension from St Dunstan's blind ex-servicemen's organisation in the latter years of his life.
I am quite fascinated by finding this entry and would like to know who you are and how we are related.
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John,
We are 1st cousins once removed. Frederick William Spackman never saw active service. He was considered blind in the 1911 census. He did the medical and that appears to be all. St dunstans did look after him and train him in basket weaving and mat making. Alice wasn't a romany, and odd she'd be known as elizabeth. That was her sisters middle name and she disappears from the records after 1901, and is believed to have been sent to canada as father died when she was young and mother died in 1914, but I have not found her in this country or abroad.
Frederick and Alice were also imprisoned for child cruelty in 1931, and Alice would have been pregnant with Clara at the time.
I will send you a personal message with my email so you can contact me directly.
Regards
Phil Brown
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Browny1 Sorry, I posted a reply but as it is such a long one, I will send it to your email instead
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Fredericks medal record is on a family history site but due to rootschats rule I can't tell you the site. I edited the record to say it was him after finding out his number from st dunstans. I've checked my info and he was enlisted but didn't fight in active service. I have all the details from St Dunstans that they could legally share with me.
We have the same person though with different info. Unfortunately I've never found any German parents for him. His father was born in Marylebone in 1847, and mother was born 1846 in Paddington, and one generation back they are from england. It's not the first time I've heard of a continental link. I had a letter sent to me 10 years ago quoting dutch in the lineage but I've not found any such details.
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Fredericks medal record is on a family history site but due to rootschats rule I can't tell you the site.
What rule is that?
If it's on Ancestry or FindMyPast, then just say so ;D
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I was told a while ago not to mention any sites by a moderator so I don't. Got told off.
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Hello, I'm trying to fill in my family tree and research history. An ancestor of Frederick myself I'd be looking for any information possible. I already have quite a bit and have done a lot of research but haven't looked into other family links yet!
Tia, Stace.
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Welcome to RootsChat! :D
Think you'll find you're a Descendant of Frederick's, not an ancestor! ;)