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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Shropshire => Topic started by: killys on Friday 26 August 11 20:08 BST (UK)
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CAN ANYONE HELP ME FIND A MARRIAGE IN ATCHAM OR ST MARY, OF
BENJAMIN STANLEY BORN 1795 TO ELIZABETH MAIDEN NAME NOT KNOWN.
THEY HAD AT LEAST 12 CHILDREN ALL BORN IN ATCHAM MY CONNECTION IS OF ONE OF THERE DAUGHTERS
CATHERINE BORN 1825 MARRIED A SHINTON IN BHAM IN 1849.
ANY HELP WOULD BE MUCH APPRECIATED.
KEITH.
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Hi Killys
If you don't mind in future do not put your request or answer to your request in capital letters because this is said to be shouting ;)
cheers cardiff ;)
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Hi Killys
A tough one this... unable to find a wedding, plenty of other info if of any help, I've checked some of the SPR of St Chads both vol's and St Mary's Shrewsbury:
Benjamin appears to have been bap. in Minsterly/Westbury (if it is the correct Benjamin) SPR, Hereford diocese, this may be his birth record, Benjamin s. of Joseph Stanley and Elizabeth, 2 Oct 1791, bap.
As you say they have a number of children, below are 5 (there are more if you wish to follow up) that I found on the family search pilot (so not confirmed) not in any particular order:
Joseph, 25 May 1823, Atcham
*Benjamin, 31 May 1835, Atcham
*Leatitia/Letitia, 9 Nov 1832, Atcham
Sarah, 8 Dec 1820, Atcham
Catharine, 23 May 1825, corroborates your info.
The 1851 Wales census (Llandaff) (HO107/2455/593/46) confirms Benjamin Stanley aged 59 (b. 1791/2) and Elizabeth aged 58 (b. 1793), also in the household are *Letitia Aged 18 and *Benjamin aged 15, they must have moved to Wales at some point, if this info is correct.
Hope this helps..
Regards Geoff
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Hiya...could you post the birth year of the first of Benjamin / Elizabeths children ...the earliest I can see on the posts is 1823 ....is that correct ?
it will help us look for a marriage year....usually a year before the firstborn
allan
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Hi
It was Sarah b. 1820 from what I could see, see my first reply, though not confirmed as I found these on the pilot.
Regards
Geoff
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Hiya Keith...gone from 1810 to 1820 for a marriage of
Benjamin Stanley to an Elizabeth ??? on Familysearch - advanced search
only result
12th dec 1814 Saint Peter ,Church St,Liverpool
Benjamin Standley to Elizabeth Roberts...
.if this is too early , it`s best forgotten - but Liverpool was extremely busy ,in fact the busiest port in the world , and many many people moved there to live for work...my own G grandmother came from Astley (which is in the Atcham register district ) to Garston,Liverpool....so if you have children to Benjamin/Elizabeth born 1815/16 , I would not discount it ...
allan
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Hi Allan.
just read your info on benjamin stanley marriage in liverpool.
it looks good the first child was born 1815 so i will trace that up
and see what i can find i will let you know.
bit late thanking you been away for few days.
you have been so helpful again thank you allan.
keith.
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Hello
This is the first time I’ve used what looks like an excellent site. I’ve only just seen your entry Killys re Benjamin Stanley’s wedding - did you get any further? I would love to know as I need to know Elizabeth’s maiden name.
Incidentally they had 14 children, one of them my gr gr grandmother!
Hope to hear........
Dollyflo
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Hello again
Just looked again at your request reBenjamin Stanley’s wedding. Did you get any further? I’m looking for any info re his death probably in Canton, Cardiff 1861. Various family contacts on ancestry have given 1861/63 but I can’t find a record. Should I start a new thread on this site? I’m stuck!!
Thanks
Diana
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Welcome to Rootschat Diana.
Hopefully killys will reply to you soon.
Benjamin is still in Wales 1861 Census born c 1792 Westbury, Shropshire
Baptisms at Minsterley;
02 Oct 1791 BENJAMIN, s. of Joseph Stanley & Elizabeth.
Collection: Shropshire: Westbury - Parish Registers, Hereford Diocese
As Elizabeth died 1867 if Benjamin was still alive he may have moved to live with one of his Children and died elsewhere and not necessarily in Wales.
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Got it :)
Burial;
BENJAMIN Stanley 24 Jul 1863, Cathedral - St Peter and St Paul, Llandaff
Age 71
Abode Canton
(Source FreeREG)
FreeBMD may have him mistranscribed; I cant find him either on there.
ELIZABETH Stanley was buried same Church 28 Feb 1867 age 75 (also on FreeREG)
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Hi Trish
Thank you thank you, how did you find that so quickly? I was concerned as one contact on ancestry had added “killed with wife Elizabeth 1861 by ex employee”, so I need to disregard that I hope. Buried in Llandaff Cathedral sounds much better!!
Loved profile picture, many congratulations.
Diana
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I found it quickly as I have a few ideas of free on-line sites to search and have been helping on her for 10 years :)
Also other Stanleys Buried same Church;
MARY 7 Jan 1849 age 7
MARIA 22 Mar 1852 age 18
WILLIAM 13 May 1878 age 5 weeks
JAMES 16 May 1878 age 5 weeks (Twins?)
MAY CATHERINE 18 Aug 1881 age 12 weeks
DAVID 15 Jan 1885 age 11 mths
BENJAMIN 20 Apr 1893 age 57
ANN 8 Mar 1919 age 78
Maria looks from Census to be Benjamin/Elizabeths Daughter born 1834
Mary I am not sure off but she would not appear on Census.
Other Children may be Benjamin Jnrs.
Thank you, photo is of my 1st Grandchild who is 8 now.
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Birth Reg GRO Index;
STANLEY, JAMES, Mothers mn DAVIES***
GRO Reference: 1878 J Quarter in OF CARDIFF Volume 11A Page 292
WILLIAM 1878 has same Mothers mn and MAY CATHERINE 1881 same Mother Nee Davies.
+ DAVID 1884 reg Cardiff same Mothers mn
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You have to laugh at info on Trees some times and you are doing the right thing checking all sources.
:)
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Absolutely - thanks for all info. We live in Shropshire so I can see a visit to Llandaff in the near future - snow here at the moment, very pretty! Lovely warm sunshine where you are I guess.
Many thanks
Diana
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Hi Dollyflo.
i have elizabeths maiden name as Roberts married liverpool1914
no death dates will look into my notes to see if can find any more info
got most of my info from shrewsbury archives few years ago.
Keith.
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Hi dollyflo.
Meant to say wedding 1814 not 1914.
Keith.
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Hi Keith
Thanks. Looking back, Catherine Shenton (Nee Stanley) was my gr gr grandmother, yours too?
Diana
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I am glad I could help Diana.
Its wonderful you and Keith are now in contact and good luck to you both :)
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Just a bit more that Keith may already have;
Stanleys christened Westbury to JOSEPH/ELIZABETH(Familysearch.Org)
THOMAS 1 March 1778
WILLIAM 10 June 1781
JOSEPH 16 June 1783
SAMUEL 24 May 1785
RICHARD 7 Aug 1787
BENJAMIN 2 Oct 1791******
RICHARD 3 Sept 1793
CATHARINE 6 Dec 1795
JAMES and EDWARD 17 June 1798
I think it is likely that this is Joseph;
JOSEPH Stanley christened 12 May 1754, St Mary, Shrewsbury to JOSEPH/CATHERINE
And a likely Licence for his Parents;
Marriage License 1739
Battlefield, Shropshire
Catharine EVANS age 22
Joseph STANELY age 24
Marriage took place 7 December 1739 Battlefield
Working with that Marriage we have these Children to Joseph/Catherine;
THOMAS 2 Oct 1740 Battlefield
MARY 3 March 1744 Shrewsbury, died 30 Oct 1748
CATHERINE 28 Feb 1748 Shrewsbury
WILLIAM 22 July 1750 Shrewsbury, died 19 Dec 1750
JOSEPH 1754 as above
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Oh wow, thank you. This is keeping me busy. Keith says Benjamin and Elizabeth married 1814 Liverpool - I can’t find a record, any idea?
Diana
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Its on Familysearch.Org;
Marriage: 12 December 1814, Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Benjamin STANDLEY to Elizabeth ROBERTS
garstonite had confirmed that Marriage in an earlier reply in 2011
Trish :)
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Hi Dollyflo
Yes you are quite right
john shenton married catherine stanley bham 1849
john and catherine had son benjamin in 1860
benjamin 1860 married julianna hunt
benjamin and julianna had son benjamin 1893
benjamin 1893 married my gran florence spratt
benjamin and florence had my mom florence dallow
who had me in 1944
got the 1841 census of benjamin and elizabeth with 8 children on.
Keith.
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Hi Keith
Thanks for info. My family tree is slightly different ...
John Shenton m Catherine Stanley
They had a son Benjamin b 1861
He married Gulielma Hunt
They had a son Benjamin b 1893
This is where it’s different. My research showed
Benjamin m Amy Annie Caines b 1894 Oct 1912 Aston (B’ham Marriages & Banns)
No children, he died 1926, Amy died 1918
On the 1911 census Benjamin was a private Royal Warwickshire Regiment
Benjamin’s sister Martha m John James Pratt.
They had a daughter Florence, my grandma
There are too many Benjamins! Ben Stanley b 1791 was head gardener at Attingham Park (at Atcham where they all lived) and on a board there he is listed as having 14 children whilst being a gardener there - one of them our Catherine. So we are related!
Do you have any info re your Florence. Get back to me if you are interested.
Regards-and Happy New Year
Diana
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Hi Dollyflo
Thanks for your reply yes you are right ben 1893 married Amy Caines 1912
they had 3 children Amy1913-benjamin-1916 and Lucy 1918 amy died 1918
ben then married my gran florence spratt 1919 at bham register office she looked after
them 3 kids and had 5 more with ben my mom being one of them then ben died 1928
and she had to look after them all with no man in house.
Keith.
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Hi Keith
How sad that Amy died so young, but what a wonderful woman your gran was to bring up all those children as a single mum. Hard times. Our Catherine too had a struggle bringing up seven children on her own when John died at 45. Our family were all hard workers, all skilled with large families.
Diana
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Hi Diane.
Yes familys had it bad in them times doing a family tree back
to 1700 you find a lot of hard times especially the amount of
children that died young in them days, if there is anything you need
to ask please do i have had a lot of help from my second cousin who
we came across through the family tree and i class her as a expert in family
history because she says everything must be proved with certificates and baptism info
she has gone back to the 1500 on her familys tree.
Happy new year to you and your family Keith.
Happy new year to you and family Keith.
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Hi Diane.
Told you i had 1841 census with catherine on it with her dad and mom in astley
Found the 1881 census were catherine is back in astley age 55 with son benjamin age 21
living with her brother thomas stanley, catherine is down as a servant and john a labourer.
You know john died age 45 in Bham well the reason catherine came back to astley after
john died he was in a fatal accident in Granville street Bham i have the coroners report
i will email it to you when i get it back from my sisters.
Keith.
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Hi Keith
Yes I did find out about John Shenton’s fatal accident. I would appreciate a copy of the report one day. Catherine’s family split after the 1841 census - something happened at Atcham to do with the Earl who squandered his money and left his staff jobless. So Catherine went to B’ham and married John Shenton. The rest I think went to Cardiff to find work and did OK as market gardeners, many are buried at Llandaff Cathedral. Did you know Catherine’s sister Letitia met up with some Latter Day Saints and got a free passage to America. I have more details here and am in touch with a relative of Letitia.
I’m wondering if Catherine and her family got involved with the Peaky Blinders as they lived in one of the streets in the 1850s etc. I have Carl Chinn’s book about them and wouldn’t be surprised. I could send you the book if you like as I’ve read it now, if you don’t already have it.
It’s all very interesting isn’t it?
Best wishes
Diana
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Hi Diane.
Will sort a copy out yes Catherine and john lived round that area 1861 allison street
and 1871 little ann street my dads side lived even closer they came from stourport
boat people moved to bham and lived in garrison street back of the garrison pub
my grandad said garrison lane and small heath was rough in them days, i was born and bread in small heath , i used to use the garrison tavern for years when i used to go and watch bham city fc
they have opened a pub in bham city centre called peaky blinders.
take care be in touch.
Keith.
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Hi Diane.
Catherine Shenton died in shropshire were was she buried
just wondering as the others you said buried in landaff.
Keith.
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Hi Keith
I’m not at home at the moment so can’t check with my notes but I have both John and Catherine as registered death Birmingham, Aston I think.
Diana
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Hi Diane.
No problem i know about john i thought because in 1881 catherine was in shrops
but when i looked at 1901 census she was with benjamin and family so really it looks like
she died here in 1909 and bens wife julianna died 1911 during child birth.
thanks Keith.