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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Durham => Topic started by: MaggieH on Saturday 27 August 11 02:06 BST (UK)
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Does anyone know where I could buy a copy of the Ryton baptisms and burials register, especially the 1700s? I know that BTs are on FamilySearch, but they do not go back before 1765, and several years have been missed - usually the ones I need!
Many thanks,
Maggie :)
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Hello MaggieH, You might want to check the website for the Northumberland and Durham Family History Society....www.ndfhs.org.uk (I think).....They sell many fiche, cds and books......I didn't see Ryton listed there at this time, but perhaps I missed it. In the meantime, if you need any specific look ups for Ryton, please send me an open request or a PM....I have many fiche for Ryton in my home. I'd be happy to do any look ups for you while you are waiting for your own materials to arrive! ;D Pat
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I have baptisms starting at 1748-1812
Janis
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If it is of any help to you, I believe that Ryton Parish Registers prior to 1812 were published in book form in about 1895-1910. I am sure that I have seen a copy in both Gateshead and Newcastle Central Libraries.
You may be able to order a copy from your local library.
McTalbert
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Can't help with baptisms or burials, but Ryton marriages 1581-1812 are available here:
http://www.archive.org/details/theregistersofry00ryto
there is also a history of the parish of Ryton, published in 1896, at
http://www.archive.org/details/historyparishry00whicgoog
which may be of interest.
Boo
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Thankyou to you all for your helpful suggestions. I have tried NDFHS but they dont seem to have Ryton available. My problem is that I live overseas so cant get to any library etc to look things up. Also, I have such a tangled web of people in this parish I was hoping to browse the registers myself as I need to keep referring to them from time to time. If anyone ever does notice that they are for sale...please let me know! Thanks for the offers of lookups, I may need to get back to you.
Maggie
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If you have access to a fiche reader--- http://www.jwillans.freeserve.co.uk/prfaq.html
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Thankyou for that last reply, it might be my solution if I can use them at my local library.
Thanks to all for your help.
Maggie
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Hi Maggie
You can download a free copy of the "Marriages in Ryton" book from
http://www.archive.org/stream/theregistersofry00ryto/theregistersofry00ryto_djvu.txt
The baptisms and burials aren't there but the marriages could help you.
I have on fiche the Monumental Inscriptions for Ryton and Rounces marriage index for Ryton & Winlaton 1581-1837 if you want look-ups.
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Apologies to Tickettyboo for repeating her suggestion to download the marriages of Ryton from www.archive.org.
My previous email escaped before I had finished it, checked it and signed it!
Gen in NBL England
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I have baptisms starting at 1748-1812
Janis
Hello Janis,
I know this topic is already four years old, but I think you might be the person who may be able to help me in my search for a birth / baptism record.
I am looking for a record for Michael Young.
According to familysearch he was born 30. November 1799 and baptized 7. September 1800
His parents are listed as Michael Young and Isabella Potts
The link to the record is here > https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:N5ZQ-QRM
Here a bit more information about him;
Michael Young married Elizabeth Pasmore 1838 in Wokingham, Berks.
The couple then moved to Berlin where he died 9. June 1876. His occupation was racehorse trainer.
In his death record his place of birth is given by the informant, his daughter, as "Kingston, England"
Elisabeth Young, nee Pasmore, died 10. February 1901, also in Berlin.
Thank you very much in advance for your assistance.
Kind regards,
RenateLuise
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Welcome to Rootschat :-)
Family Search also have the Bishops Transcript records for Ryton. Not the original register but a copy made at the time to send to the Bishop.
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01fws/
That link should take you to the page that has the record you are looking for.
If Janis sees this I am sure she'll check the original for you, but this will give you some info while you wait.
That is the record you asked for, but if his place of birth was given as Kingston, and he married in Wokingham then I think its more likely that he would have been born in Kingston in Surrey? Though people 'did' move around a lot, its not usual for a husbandman (which is the father's occupation on that baptism) to travel quite so far, not usual but it could be possible - everything is possible!
Do you have his marriage certificate? What are you basing the Ryton record on to make it likely to be him?
Boo
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Hello RenateLuise and I want to wish you a warm welcome to Rootschat, also! ;D I happen to have the Ryton fiche that covers your request. As you have indicated, the record shows that Michael Young was born 30 Nov 1799 and chr. 7 Sept 1800. The record indicates that Michael Young was the third son of Michael Young of Low Coalburns, husbandman, native of the parish of Ovingham and by his wife, Isabella Potts native of the parish of Hartburn. I hope this helps! patrexjax
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Hello Boo and patrexjax
Thank you both for the welcome :-)
and a Big Thank You for the link and transcript to boot!
I had tried to find my way around in the familysearch catalogue but got hopelessly lost :(
But now I am confused, because from this list it seems that "Michael Young" is the 3rd daughter? ???
Is there perhaps a faint 'e' at the end of 'Michael' and should it read 'Michaele'?
If this is really the record for a girl, it cannot be my Michael Young.
Thank you both so very much for your help.
Cheers
Renate
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That happens in a transcription and even in originals :-) I have seen obvious girl's names with 'son of' and vice versa. Its more common in a transcript though, imagine the poor man who had to write it all out again for the Bishop, must have been a big job and errors would have crept in.
Looking at what patrexjax posted the original says son.
To find the Durham Bishops Transcripts, start at https://familysearch.org, click on Search then choose Records.
On the right, under the map, click the link to Browse all Published Collections
Then on the left hand side of the page you can filter - Choose United Kingdom, then England.
Now you can scroll down the links on the left side of the page and see what is available for England. The image I gave you came from "England, Durham Diocese Bishop's Transcripts"
Once you click on that, just follow through till you get to the County and parish you want.
Coverage is patchy, and you have to browse through the images, but as you'd already found the date he was baptised that wasn't so hard - I have had a LOT of practice:-)
Boo
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Hello RenateLuise and Boo, My fiche has used the standard abbreviation for the persons who made this transcription and I have triple checked it and it clearly uses, "S" for son. I hope this helps! patrexjax
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Ryton bapt:
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Mary Young born 17 Jul 1797, baptised 18 Feb 1798 3rd daur of Michael Young, of Low Coalburns, yeoman, native of the parish of Ovingham Northumberland by his wife Isabella Potts native of the parish of Whalton, Northumberland
I couldn't find a candidate fo Isabella in Hartburn. I will take a look in Whalton. I have a candidate for Michael-possibility of 2 in Ovingham but will have to take a look.
Janis
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after Janis' post I have just checked the film number from the Family Search entry that RenateLuise first posted.
I had assumed the transcription was from the original register, but I was wrong. Its been transcribed from the BT's - which is why it says Michael.
patrexjax, your fiche doesn't seem to agree with the one Janis has?
My brain hurts now!
Boo
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Hello Boo and patrexjax,
Thank you again for your input and especially the advice re finding records at familysearch.
So I take it that Michael is the 3rd son and not a daughter of Michael Young sr. It suits me better ;D
Thank you and good night from my adopted country Ireland :)
Renate
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Whalton:
Isabella Potts baptised 10 Mar 1765 daur of the late John Potts, Newham Edge
I couldn't find a burial for him in Whalton for 1764 or 65
Janis
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Hello Janis,
Thank you for your replies.
Now I am once again confused :-\
I will look at what you found more closely tomorrow - my brain is fried now.
Cheers,
Renate
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hmm, I looked at the BT images again and am REALLY confused now
BT images have Mary born July 14 1797, baptised Feb 18 1798.
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01fwt/
Janis, were you offering Mary as an 'extra' (without dates)
OR were you saying that the entry on the fiche for the birth of 30 November 1799 and baptised 7 September 1800 IS the one for Mary?
I get the feeling she was an extra bonus and that the BT image for Michael is correct (other than whoever wrote the transcript said daughter rather than son)
and now I am off to bed, he he even my insomnia has limits :-)
Boo
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This is probably him looking at how many children they have had by 1797
Ovingham:
Michael Young baptised 28 Dec 1761 son of Michael and Mary
This is from the IGI my fiche doesn't start that early and the BT's start in 1762 :-\ so I couldn't say where in Ovingham he was born. There were 2 other siblings in the 1760's but the BT's skip from 1762-1769 and they fall between those.
Marriage Ovingham:
Michael Young of the parish of Stamfordham and Isabella Potts of this parish by banns 28 Sep 1788 This means that banns were read in Stamfordham and Ovingham. It does not mean that Michael was born there--only living there at the time nor was Isabella born necessarily in Ovingham--only residing there.
One of the daughter's of Michael and Isabella was baptised in Ovingham: Grace Young daughter of Michael and Isabella of Wylam Wood 30 May 1790
I will keep looking--it is early in the evening for me.
I corrected/edited the Mary one--yes it was an additional child. I always look at siblings as sometimes you get different information or additional information.
Burials Ryton that are probably this family.
Michael Young died Winlaton Mill, buried 19 Jun 1832, age 71 [fits the 1761 birth]
Isabella Young died Kyo, buried 15 May 1827, age 63
Another Isabella Young who was buried 30 Apr 1814 of Stella, age 37 but I don't think this was Michael's wife.
Janis
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Renate
I'm not sure why all this searching has been based around Ryton, a parish I'm very familiar with, as my grandparents families came from there.
As Michael Young was presumably in England for the 1841-1871 census, at least three of them would give his place of birth. That is the first step I would take, to examine all those census.
Alternatively his marriage certificate would give his fathers name and occupation.
Good luck
Gen in NBL England
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Hello Gen
I have ordered the 1838 marriage certificate for Michael Young from GRO UK and am waiting for it to arrive.
I know he died in Berlin in 1876. If you have access to ancestry his death certificate is there, in German. (I wanted to insert a hyperlink but failed, I cannot find the box where I could insert the very long link :-[ )
However, I just notice a discrepancy. In his death record his age is recorded as 66 years, but in a private family tree his age is given as 77. This might have lead me to look for the wrong Michael Young. Strange coincidence, though, that there is indeed a Michael Young in the Bishop's List who could be the one.
I need to find out what other evidence / source is there to support his birth in 1799.
Thank you all for your great help, I will report back when I have the marriage cert in hand.
Cheers
Renate
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Renate
That will give you a firmer base to start from, then you can work back step by step.
That the wedding took place in Woking(ham) Berkshire infers that was possibly the brides parish. Kingston as a possible birthplace for Michael is a problem as I know of at least 4 in England.
There is a racecourse at Berlin and its history is here:
http://trainermagazine.com/articles/2013/8/6/hoppegarten-racecourse-a-history-of-the-german-racecourse
It even mentions English trainers arriving there but that was a bit late for your Michael in 1871.
Do you know when he left England and if he had any children before he left?
Gen in NBL England
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Hello Gen,
Thank you very much for the link to the Hoppegarten Racecourse which I had not seen before.
This is actually the reason why I am trying to gather the vital records for Michael Young. I am helping a non-English speaking researcher/ friend to unearth details of the lives and deaths of the English (and American) contingent of racehorse trainers and jockeys, and their families, many of whom are buried in Berlin-Dahlwitz where Hoppegarten is situated.
As to my assumption that the racehorse trainer Michael "Joachim" (?) Young was born in Ryton in 1799 I am pretty certain now that a mistake slipped into the family tree. His estimated date of birth is most likely end of 1809. The marriage certificate will hopefully clear this up.
I went through the 1800 census lists, but so far have not found a possible match :(
BTW, I am not a professional genealogist - just someone who has great fun in searching and finding records and helping others while the research into my own family history has hit a brick wall (records lost or destroyed during WWII).
Cheers
Renate
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(I wanted to insert a hyperlink but failed, I cannot find the box where I could insert the very long link )
Its at the bottom of the page in the brown section. It is the last link in the second column "your tools"
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Thank you very much! I am not yet familiar with this new forum interface.
My next question is off topic, sorry - but while I am at it ;)
Is the button "Insert hyperlink" at the top of my reply window obsolete now?
Or can I still type a word and hyperlink that word so that the word itself becomes a link?
Cheers
Renate (not very computer savvy)
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Hi Renate
If its a very long link, copy and paste it into http://www.rootschat.com/links/index.php
That will give you a 'shrink link' which you can then copy and just paste it into your post.
(it will look like the link I posted the other night to give you the baptism record)
Boo
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Thank you, Boo
Yes, I mastered that part and will use it in future. It is still better than those ugly long links that can easily break....
When I clicked on your link I expected to be brought to another topic and was amazed that the familysearch records opened - it's magic ;D
Cheers
Renate
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Familysearch has a baptism of a Michael Young, born 9 November 1808, baptized 4 December, 1808, Kingston upon Thames. Parents William and Elizabeth. Kingston upon Thames is about 30 miles from Wokingham.
Alan.
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he he, I'd seen that one and am waiting till Renate gets the marriage cert to see if its a match for the father's name.
I like that bit where, whilst waiting for a corroborating record, you are hopeful that the 'possible' may move into the 'quite likely' category.
Hope springs eternal :-)
Boo
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Hello Alan,
Thank you for this very promising find! I must have missed that completely :-[
I can't wait to get the record but will have to be patient - it takes usually more than two weeks for GRO mail to get across the Irish Sea :-(
Yes, Boo, hope springs eternal - and is the last to die :-)
Cheers
Renate
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Hello,
As predicted, GRO post took ten (!!) days to cross the Irish Sea and today it landed in my mailbox.
Good news and bad news.
The marriage took place in the parish church in Wokingham on 9th Oct 1838, counties Berks Wilts
Michael Young was a horse trainer, living in Wokingham
The father's name is indeed William Young, he is a labourer.
The bride, Elizabeth Pasmore, lived in Newmarket, Cambs, her father was Peter Pasmore, a farmer.
The bad news is that I still don't have his mother's name (but will search for it) and Michael Young's age is only given as "adult" ::)
With this new information my excursion to the Ryton Parish Registers was a detour, but with your help I was put on the right track. Thank you all!
My last question, which is again OT: can I add the scan of a GRO certificate copy to the (private) family tree on Ancestry or are there copyright issues I have to keep in mind?
Cheers
Renate
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Thanks for letting us know about the cert ( I always wonder if people don't come back)
I have seen a lot of certs in ancestry trees, so though I am not sure about the copyright implications it would appear that no one has yet been arrested and ancestry don't seem to mind.
The baptism that WolfieSmith mentioned is on ancestry, within the London, England, Baptisms, Marriages and Burials 1538-1812 database (which has register images). It was at All Saints, Middlesex, which came within Kingston Upon Thames Borough. I think that the boundaries for Middlesex/Surrey changed over the years, but I am not too familiar with that area.
I can't see any other baptisms in the same church for possible siblings and there is no mention of the mother, Elizabeth,'s maiden name.
Boo
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Hello Boo,
Thank you for your further input. I have found the baptism entry for Michael Young!
Cheers
Renate
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Hope someone can help with the Ryton Parish registers for a Robert Middleton born about 1764 to possibly John Middleton. I checked Family Search but the registers only go back to 1765. I went through a few to see if there were any other Middleton baptisms after 1765 but gave up after a few years (including marriages and burials). Robert Middleton was listed in Tynemouth registers for baptism of children (eg. William Mawman Middleton, 1799) and it clearly states Robert was a native of Ryton. He was living in North Shields after 1789 with Jane Beall, his wife. Wondering if possible father John married elsewhere but moved to Ryton. Haven't checked to see if there is a death for him in the registers but will go through it. Any assistance with Robert Middleton or any other Middletons in Ryton would be appreciated.
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Hobartian
see my reply on p1.
I also now have the burials on CD. None in Ryton between 1618-1833, no Roberts or Johns. The transcripts available go back to 1581.
See http://www.archersoftware.co.uk/igi/fs-dur.htm#R for Ryton IGI
Gen in NBL England
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Hope someone can help with the Ryton Parish registers for a Robert Middleton born about 1764 to possibly John Middleton.
I loked at Durham Records online which has Ryton baptisms 1581 - 1867, no Robert Middleton in these records.
Nearest I got searching for Robert Middleton 1764 +/- 5 years on that site was
St. Nicholas,Durham City
18 Nov 1767 Robert Middleton, son of William Middleton
Boo
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Hobartian
see my reply on p1.
I also now have the burials on CD. None in Ryton between 1618-1833, no Roberts or Johns. The transcripts available go back to 1581.
See http://www.archersoftware.co.uk/igi/fs-dur.htm#R for Ryton IGI
Gen in NBL England
Thank you for checking - I looked the the Ryton marriages and may have one lead I can follow so hopefully it pans out.
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Hope someone can help with the Ryton Parish registers for a Robert Middleton born about 1764 to possibly John Middleton.
I loked at Durham Records online which has Ryton baptisms 1581 - 1867, no Robert Middleton in these records.
Nearest I got searching for Robert Middleton 1764 +/- 5 years on that site was
St. Nicholas,Durham City
18 Nov 1767 Robert Middleton, son of William Middleton
Boo
Thank you for checking - I will look into the St Nicholas lead. It is possible the 1764 birth year was approximate; it was listed on Robert's marriage reg. No confirmation on father's name.
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I have baptisms starting at 1748-1812
Janis
Hope you are still able to look up baptisms in Ryton - trying to find a Robert Middleton supposedly native of Ryton (per 2 baptism certs of his children), marriage cert stated birth year 1764. Looking for any Middletons (and variations of that name around 1700-1780) in and around Ryton). No parent information but ended up in North Shields, married 1789 to Elizabeth Beall, Tynemouth.