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Title: WILTSHIRE family bath
Post by: rainybell on Saturday 27 August 11 05:58 BST (UK)
looking for any information on Abraham Wiltshire and family. Abraham circa1823 Coombe bath, was transported to Tasmania 1845. he was in Illchester goal 12 may 1840 also 4th July 1835, address given milk st Bath, his mother's name was Susannah, Brother Elijah, sister Caroline.I have information for over here in Australia, but nothing more of him in England. Any help would be most appreciated Rainybell
Title: Re: wiltshire family bath
Post by: warncoort on Saturday 27 August 11 10:49 BST (UK)
From freereg.org.uk
Baptised Walcot 25 Oct 1822 Son of Abraham
Marriage Walcot 1 Feb 1821 Abraham to Susanna Field
There is a sister Betty in 1827 but only checked +5-
Title: Re: wiltshire family bath
Post by: DRH123 on Saturday 27 August 11 22:33 BST (UK)
In the Bath area, Coombe could refer to Combe Down, Monkton Combe or Combe Hay.

Abraham son of William and Hannah Wiltshire was baptised at Monkton Combe, 12 Nov 1786

Combe Down was a relatively new settlement which had grown up around the stone quarries on the top of the hill to the south of Bath. It did not have its own church at that time and Monkton Combe's would have been one of the nearest, so the Wiltshires could have lived at either place.

David
Title: Re: WILTSHIRE family bath
Post by: rainybell on Sunday 28 August 11 03:50 BST (UK)
on Abrahams convict records1845 it states he was 21, but ages are different on some cert, so can't be sure what year he was born,it also gives on those records  his mother,sister,and brothers names. one of his children over here in aus he named Elijah.,same as his brother, it would be great to see the names on a census, then i could be pretty sure i had the right family. It states on  the record the other person charged with Abraham was from Camerton, Thanks for your help
Title: Re: WILTSHIRE family bath
Post by: krisesjoint on Sunday 28 August 11 05:05 BST (UK)
Hi Rainybell,

I note that at the Bath Sessions on the 4 Apr 1840 an Abraham WILTSHIRE aged 55 and a Susan WILTSHIRE aged 40 were convicted of keeping a disorderly house. They received 1 month and sureties and a £3 fine

also several mentions of an Elizabeth WILTSHIRE b about 1827 and a Caroline WILTSHIRE b about 1826. In fact 22 Mar 1841 an Elizabeth WILTSHIRE aged 14 and Caroline WILTSHIRE 17 were found not guilty of Larceny.

1851 census

HO107/1943 Folio 114 Page 10
14 Avon St
Lansdown Walcot


WILTSHIRE Susanna 49 Head Mar b Old Down Oyster Dealer
KAINES Geo 78 Mar b Bath Grinder
WILTSHIRE Elisha Son 19 b Bath Hawker
WILTSHIRE Ann Dau 17 b Bath Oyster Dealer
CORBETT Julia Lodger 22 b Bathwick Dressmaker
CORBETT Matilda Lodger20 b Bathwick Dressmaker
HASKINS John Lodger 18 b Bath Lab
SNAPPLE Alfred Lodger 17 b Bath Lab
SNAPPLE Edward Lodger 15 b Bath Lab
EMERY William Lodger 18 b Bath Hawker
MILLER Henry Lodger 16 b Bath Traveller
TRAVINDER Geo Lodger 20 b Bath Porter
SNOOK John Lodger 19 b Bath Lab

Cheers Kris  :)

Title: Re: WILTSHIRE family bath
Post by: krisesjoint on Sunday 28 August 11 06:00 BST (UK)
1841 census

HO107/970/8 Folio 43 Page 37
20 Milk Street
Lansdown Walcot


WILSHER Sarah 45 Y
WILSHER Caroline 20 Y
WILSHER Betsey 15 Y
WILSHER Abraham 20 Y Lab

Cheers Kris  :)
Title: Re: WILTSHIRE family bath
Post by: rainybell on Sunday 28 August 11 06:45 BST (UK)
Thank you Kris, I'm so excited, as they sound like the wiltshire's that I'm after, but my goodness it's a  wonder they all didn't get sent to Australia, perhaps I better look up those names on the convict list over here. The 1841 census looks right as when Abraham was in goal in 1840 it gives his last abode as milk st bath. The 1851 look right as well with the names Susanna, Elisha probably Elijah and Caroline. Great work everyone  Rainybell
Title: Re: WILTSHIRE family bath
Post by: rainybell on Sunday 28 August 11 07:06 BST (UK)
forgot to ask What is an oyster dealer??
Title: Re: WILTSHIRE family bath
Post by: warncoort on Sunday 28 August 11 07:26 BST (UK)
Looks like Elisha(Elias on census) stayed home,is on 1901 census as well,but cannot find a baptism for him.Might be worth contacting Somerset Online Parish Clerk as they have a clerk for one Walcot church.
Title: Re: WILTSHIRE family bath
Post by: krisesjoint on Sunday 28 August 11 07:41 BST (UK)
Oyster Dealer (Oyster Seller)

Since Elisha was a Hawker I would think possibly a street seller of pickled oysters.

Cheers Kris :)
Title: Re: WILTSHIRE family bath
Post by: rainybell on Sunday 28 August 11 09:01 BST (UK)
Thanks Kris and Warncoot, have sent email to parish clerk in Walcot, so  now wait for result. Never came across an oyster dealer before wonder what price he sold them for. many,many thanks for all your help it is much appreciated     Cheers rainybell
Title: Re: WILTSHIRE family bath
Post by: DRH123 on Sunday 28 August 11 11:09 BST (UK)
Looks like Abraham senior died in Shepton Mallet prison in Jan 1841, (aged 60).

http://www.freereg.org.uk/cgi/SearchResults.pl?RecordType=Burials&RecordID=1483133


If he was given a month in Apr 1840 he should have been out long before then. Was there another trial?
Title: Re: WILTSHIRE family bath
Post by: rainybell on Monday 29 August 11 02:10 BST (UK)
thank you David for that information, Kris noted that Abraham was 55 on the 4th April 1840,your info gives his age at 60, guess ages get lost on the way. I don't know if there was another trial but something went wrong if he died in prison, what ever it must have been hard times for many, but not all turned to crime. your is help much appreciated rainybell
Title: Re: WILTSHIRE family bath
Post by: rainybell on Wednesday 21 September 11 03:14 BST (UK)
David,I sent for Abraham's death certificate, the only new information it gave was he died the 4th Jan1841, cause of death, Disease of the heart, still a mystery why he was still in prison. Thanks again for all your help. cheers Rainybell
Title: Re: WILTSHIRE family bath
Post by: rjwiltsh on Sunday 28 April 13 19:59 BST (UK)
I am a direct descendant (great, great grandson) of Anne Wiltshire who was born in 1835 and whose father was Abraham Wiltshire and mother Susanna. So she was the brother of Abraham who went to Australia. Anne died in Brighton in 1913. She was the unmarried mother of Joseph Wiltshire (born 1859, died 1926) and also Anne Wiltshire who lived only for a few months in 1861. She married James Mockford in 1861. It seems that Anne moved to Brighton from Bath in the late 1850's. I am still trying to find out more about Anne especially why she moved to Brighton, where she was born and more information about her early family living conditions. She was clearly in trouble with the law like the rest of the family. I would like to know more about what happened to the Australia Abraham!
Title: Re: WILTSHIRE family bath
Post by: rainybell on Monday 29 April 13 03:28 BST (UK)
Welcome to roots, & to think you have found a connection to your GGGrandmother Ann. Abraham was my Ggrandfather, I have alot of information on him here in Australia, and if this is what you want, I  would be pleased to pass it onto you, have come to brick wall  about the rest of the family in the u.k, so maybe we can help each other. Kind regards Rainybell
Title: Re: WILTSHIRE family bath
Post by: rjwiltsh on Monday 29 April 13 19:43 BST (UK)
Dear Rainybell it was really good to receive your message yesterday and will help in any way I can and yes I would like to receive information about the Wiltshire family in Australia. By the way I particular information about Abraham's transportation to Tasmania but I guess you have that already? For example the offences he committed in Somerset, his associates, where his trial was held and details of the Marion - the convict ship? Let me know if you need any of this and I will pass it on. I can provide quite a bit of information about the Ann/e/ie side of the family if you would like me to pass it to you. Also I know a little about Abraham senior and basic information about his parents and some speculation going further back. Great to hear from you - Ron. PS I agree that all the Wiltshire's should have been transported!
Title: Re: WILTSHIRE family bath
Post by: rjwiltsh on Sunday 30 December 18 21:19 GMT (UK)
Hi Rainybel et al,

After such a while is there still interest in following up about Abraham Wiltshire. Would welcome new email address from you  if possible
With best wishes -rjwiltsh
Title: Re: WILTSHIRE family bath
Post by: rainybell on Sunday 30 December 18 23:17 GMT (UK)
Hi Ron, happy new-year to you and your family, yes I am still trying to work out the Wiltshire family, and my email address is Removed will be glad to hear from you. regards Lorraine

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Title: Re: WILTSHIRE family bath
Post by: Bally75 on Friday 21 January 22 14:37 GMT (UK)
rjwiltsh I am also a direct descendant of Anne Wiltshire born 1835, my great grandmother was a Mockford from Hove, I am currently trying to find out more about the Wiltshires, quite a family!
Regards ,Bally75
Title: Re: WILTSHIRE family bath
Post by: rjwiltsh on Thursday 29 February 24 15:58 GMT (UK)
Bally75 - I am very happy to provide inmformation about the Wiltshire family. I would also like to know more about the Mockfords especially Jame Measor Mockford who married Annie in 1861. Regards rjwiltsh
Title: Re: WILTSHIRE family bath
Post by: trish1120 on Friday 01 March 24 09:46 GMT (UK)
Not sure how much info you now have as this query is very old.

ABRAHAM Wiltshire bapt 12 Nov 1786, St Michael, Monkton Combe to WILLIAM/HANNAH
Sibling;
HANNAH bapt 19 Oct 1788 same Church

They may have moved to Walcot later and bapt;
MARY ANNE 08 Nov 1790
WILLIAM 14 Jul 1794
+ possibly several others


William WILTSHIRE of Monkton Combe married Hannah MORRIS 1 Aug 1785, St James, South Stoke
Bachelor/Spinster

# note a SAMUEL Morris was a witness to the 1821 Marriage of Abraham/Susanna


Trish :)

Title: Re: WILTSHIRE family bath
Post by: rjwiltsh on Friday 01 March 24 11:47 GMT (UK)
Hi Trish

Thanks so much for taking the trouble to reply. May I ask what your interest is in the Wiltshire family?

 I am a descendant of Annie Wiltshire born in 1835, daughter of Abraham/Sussanah. She left Bath in the 1850s and by 1858 she gave birth to my great grandfather Joseph in Brighton where I was born.

It has always been a mystery why she left Bath and how and with whom she went to Brighton. I know that Annie was in petty trouble with the law in Bath in 1850 and her brother Abraham got deprted to Australia in 1845 - may be she wanted a fresh start?

Do you know anything about the Wiltshires at this time


With kind regards - Ron
Title: Re: WILTSHIRE family bath
Post by: trish1120 on Saturday 02 March 24 05:13 GMT (UK)
Hi Ron,

No am am not related to any Wiltshires.

The purpose of Rootschat is to try and help people with their genealogical queries and hopefully they also find others distantly related to them.
(this sometimes happens years later)

Annie may have been working away from where she was born as was often the case and yes wanted a fresh start.

Trish :)