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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Somerset => Topic started by: rainybell on Saturday 27 August 11 05:58 BST (UK)
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looking for any information on Abraham Wiltshire and family. Abraham circa1823 Coombe bath, was transported to Tasmania 1845. he was in Illchester goal 12 may 1840 also 4th July 1835, address given milk st Bath, his mother's name was Susannah, Brother Elijah, sister Caroline.I have information for over here in Australia, but nothing more of him in England. Any help would be most appreciated Rainybell
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From freereg.org.uk
Baptised Walcot 25 Oct 1822 Son of Abraham
Marriage Walcot 1 Feb 1821 Abraham to Susanna Field
There is a sister Betty in 1827 but only checked +5-
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In the Bath area, Coombe could refer to Combe Down, Monkton Combe or Combe Hay.
Abraham son of William and Hannah Wiltshire was baptised at Monkton Combe, 12 Nov 1786
Combe Down was a relatively new settlement which had grown up around the stone quarries on the top of the hill to the south of Bath. It did not have its own church at that time and Monkton Combe's would have been one of the nearest, so the Wiltshires could have lived at either place.
David
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on Abrahams convict records1845 it states he was 21, but ages are different on some cert, so can't be sure what year he was born,it also gives on those records his mother,sister,and brothers names. one of his children over here in aus he named Elijah.,same as his brother, it would be great to see the names on a census, then i could be pretty sure i had the right family. It states on the record the other person charged with Abraham was from Camerton, Thanks for your help
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Hi Rainybell,
I note that at the Bath Sessions on the 4 Apr 1840 an Abraham WILTSHIRE aged 55 and a Susan WILTSHIRE aged 40 were convicted of keeping a disorderly house. They received 1 month and sureties and a £3 fine
also several mentions of an Elizabeth WILTSHIRE b about 1827 and a Caroline WILTSHIRE b about 1826. In fact 22 Mar 1841 an Elizabeth WILTSHIRE aged 14 and Caroline WILTSHIRE 17 were found not guilty of Larceny.
1851 census
HO107/1943 Folio 114 Page 10
14 Avon St
Lansdown Walcot
WILTSHIRE Susanna 49 Head Mar b Old Down Oyster Dealer
KAINES Geo 78 Mar b Bath Grinder
WILTSHIRE Elisha Son 19 b Bath Hawker
WILTSHIRE Ann Dau 17 b Bath Oyster Dealer
CORBETT Julia Lodger 22 b Bathwick Dressmaker
CORBETT Matilda Lodger20 b Bathwick Dressmaker
HASKINS John Lodger 18 b Bath Lab
SNAPPLE Alfred Lodger 17 b Bath Lab
SNAPPLE Edward Lodger 15 b Bath Lab
EMERY William Lodger 18 b Bath Hawker
MILLER Henry Lodger 16 b Bath Traveller
TRAVINDER Geo Lodger 20 b Bath Porter
SNOOK John Lodger 19 b Bath Lab
Cheers Kris :)
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1841 census
HO107/970/8 Folio 43 Page 37
20 Milk Street
Lansdown Walcot
WILSHER Sarah 45 Y
WILSHER Caroline 20 Y
WILSHER Betsey 15 Y
WILSHER Abraham 20 Y Lab
Cheers Kris :)
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Thank you Kris, I'm so excited, as they sound like the wiltshire's that I'm after, but my goodness it's a wonder they all didn't get sent to Australia, perhaps I better look up those names on the convict list over here. The 1841 census looks right as when Abraham was in goal in 1840 it gives his last abode as milk st bath. The 1851 look right as well with the names Susanna, Elisha probably Elijah and Caroline. Great work everyone Rainybell
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forgot to ask What is an oyster dealer??
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Looks like Elisha(Elias on census) stayed home,is on 1901 census as well,but cannot find a baptism for him.Might be worth contacting Somerset Online Parish Clerk as they have a clerk for one Walcot church.
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Oyster Dealer (Oyster Seller)
Since Elisha was a Hawker I would think possibly a street seller of pickled oysters.
Cheers Kris :)
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Thanks Kris and Warncoot, have sent email to parish clerk in Walcot, so now wait for result. Never came across an oyster dealer before wonder what price he sold them for. many,many thanks for all your help it is much appreciated Cheers rainybell
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Looks like Abraham senior died in Shepton Mallet prison in Jan 1841, (aged 60).
http://www.freereg.org.uk/cgi/SearchResults.pl?RecordType=Burials&RecordID=1483133
If he was given a month in Apr 1840 he should have been out long before then. Was there another trial?
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thank you David for that information, Kris noted that Abraham was 55 on the 4th April 1840,your info gives his age at 60, guess ages get lost on the way. I don't know if there was another trial but something went wrong if he died in prison, what ever it must have been hard times for many, but not all turned to crime. your is help much appreciated rainybell
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David,I sent for Abraham's death certificate, the only new information it gave was he died the 4th Jan1841, cause of death, Disease of the heart, still a mystery why he was still in prison. Thanks again for all your help. cheers Rainybell
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I am a direct descendant (great, great grandson) of Anne Wiltshire who was born in 1835 and whose father was Abraham Wiltshire and mother Susanna. So she was the brother of Abraham who went to Australia. Anne died in Brighton in 1913. She was the unmarried mother of Joseph Wiltshire (born 1859, died 1926) and also Anne Wiltshire who lived only for a few months in 1861. She married James Mockford in 1861. It seems that Anne moved to Brighton from Bath in the late 1850's. I am still trying to find out more about Anne especially why she moved to Brighton, where she was born and more information about her early family living conditions. She was clearly in trouble with the law like the rest of the family. I would like to know more about what happened to the Australia Abraham!
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Welcome to roots, & to think you have found a connection to your GGGrandmother Ann. Abraham was my Ggrandfather, I have alot of information on him here in Australia, and if this is what you want, I would be pleased to pass it onto you, have come to brick wall about the rest of the family in the u.k, so maybe we can help each other. Kind regards Rainybell
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Dear Rainybell it was really good to receive your message yesterday and will help in any way I can and yes I would like to receive information about the Wiltshire family in Australia. By the way I particular information about Abraham's transportation to Tasmania but I guess you have that already? For example the offences he committed in Somerset, his associates, where his trial was held and details of the Marion - the convict ship? Let me know if you need any of this and I will pass it on. I can provide quite a bit of information about the Ann/e/ie side of the family if you would like me to pass it to you. Also I know a little about Abraham senior and basic information about his parents and some speculation going further back. Great to hear from you - Ron. PS I agree that all the Wiltshire's should have been transported!
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Hi Rainybel et al,
After such a while is there still interest in following up about Abraham Wiltshire. Would welcome new email address from you if possible
With best wishes -rjwiltsh
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Hi Ron, happy new-year to you and your family, yes I am still trying to work out the Wiltshire family, and my email address is Removed will be glad to hear from you. regards Lorraine
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rjwiltsh I am also a direct descendant of Anne Wiltshire born 1835, my great grandmother was a Mockford from Hove, I am currently trying to find out more about the Wiltshires, quite a family!
Regards ,Bally75
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Bally75 - I am very happy to provide inmformation about the Wiltshire family. I would also like to know more about the Mockfords especially Jame Measor Mockford who married Annie in 1861. Regards rjwiltsh
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Not sure how much info you now have as this query is very old.
ABRAHAM Wiltshire bapt 12 Nov 1786, St Michael, Monkton Combe to WILLIAM/HANNAH
Sibling;
HANNAH bapt 19 Oct 1788 same Church
They may have moved to Walcot later and bapt;
MARY ANNE 08 Nov 1790
WILLIAM 14 Jul 1794
+ possibly several others
William WILTSHIRE of Monkton Combe married Hannah MORRIS 1 Aug 1785, St James, South Stoke
Bachelor/Spinster
# note a SAMUEL Morris was a witness to the 1821 Marriage of Abraham/Susanna
Trish :)
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Hi Trish
Thanks so much for taking the trouble to reply. May I ask what your interest is in the Wiltshire family?
I am a descendant of Annie Wiltshire born in 1835, daughter of Abraham/Sussanah. She left Bath in the 1850s and by 1858 she gave birth to my great grandfather Joseph in Brighton where I was born.
It has always been a mystery why she left Bath and how and with whom she went to Brighton. I know that Annie was in petty trouble with the law in Bath in 1850 and her brother Abraham got deprted to Australia in 1845 - may be she wanted a fresh start?
Do you know anything about the Wiltshires at this time
With kind regards - Ron
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Hi Ron,
No am am not related to any Wiltshires.
The purpose of Rootschat is to try and help people with their genealogical queries and hopefully they also find others distantly related to them.
(this sometimes happens years later)
Annie may have been working away from where she was born as was often the case and yes wanted a fresh start.
Trish :)