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Title: 1891 and 1901 census - completed
Post by: KA on Monday 29 August 11 18:43 BST (UK)
Can anybody see an Ada Kate Allen b. 1887 in Barnet area.  She was in South Mymms, which comes under Barnet for her marriage in 1918, so am expecting her to be there on those census also.  Father is William Alfred Allen.

Kind regards

KA
Title: Re: 1891 and 1901 census
Post by: heywood on Monday 29 August 11 19:01 BST (UK)
Hello KA,

1901 1229 folio 113 pg 10   has this - not much use though.
 
Ada Allen 15 yrs servant with a b South Mimms 
with a Harmon family.

heywood
Title: Re: 1891 and 1901 census
Post by: CaroleW on Monday 29 August 11 19:03 BST (UK)
In 1891 she is shown as the niece of Henry Dence/Prince - no other Allen's in household  RG12 Piece 28 Folio 134 Page 19

Living in Kensington London - all Dence's/Prince's b London

Henry Dence 24 greengrocer
Ada   22 sister
Emily   19 sister
Walter   9 brother
Ada Allen 4 niece b Barnet Herts
Emily Collitt 63 lodger b Rutland
Ann Toudell 75 lodger b Oxfordshire
Title: Re: 1891 and 1901 census
Post by: KA on Monday 29 August 11 19:07 BST (UK)
Thank you both.

Funny how some people can be found and followed, no problem.  And others thwart you every step of the way. ::)

Perhaps Ada will be more 'helpful' in the 1911 census.  But somehow I doubt it.

Many thanks.

Kind regards

KA
Title: Re: 1891 and 1901 census
Post by: heywood on Monday 29 August 11 19:09 BST (UK)
1891 28 /134 /19

60 Princes Road Kensington

Ada Allen 4 yrs born Barnet

is a niece in a family transcribed as 'Dence' but could be 'Prince'  :-\ :-\
Title: Re: 1891 and 1901 census - completed
Post by: heywood on Monday 29 August 11 19:11 BST (UK)
sorry- didn't see Carole's post  :)
Title: Re: 1891 and 1901 census - completed
Post by: CaroleW on Monday 29 August 11 19:15 BST (UK)
I have tried to find the 1891 "Dence" family in 1881 but not having much luck.  If the surname can be confirmed - you could then check for a marriage between Allen and ???
Title: Re: 1891 and 1901 census - completed
Post by: CaroleW on Monday 29 August 11 19:17 BST (UK)
This could be the parents

Marriages June qtr 1886   
William Alfred Allen    Kensington  1a 225   
Anna Maria Druce   
Title: Re: 1891 and 1901 census - completed
Post by: CaroleW on Monday 29 August 11 19:19 BST (UK)
Yes - Henry Druce was a greengrocer in 1891 - have a look at the 1881 entry for him b 1867 Notting Hill
Title: Re: 1891 and 1901 census - completed
Post by: CaroleW on Monday 29 August 11 19:22 BST (UK)
16.5.1886 at Kensington St James Norlands

William Alfred Allen 26 bachelor occ coachman father John Allen occ wheelwright

Anna Maria Druce 21 spinster - father George Druce greengrocer

Witnesses Thomas Valentine and Ada Druce
Title: Re: 1891 and 1901 census - completed
Post by: heywood on Monday 29 August 11 19:23 BST (UK)
That's a good deduction Carole  :)

Just removed my similar information  ;)
Title: Re: 1891 and 1901 census - completed
Post by: KA on Monday 29 August 11 19:24 BST (UK)
I am assuming for Ada to be so far away from home, Barnet, at such a young age, her parents may have died.  Although looking at the 1911 index, an Ada Allen in resident in Barnet of the correct age, so it looks as if she had returned.  Which to me means close enough family remaining to give her a reason to go back.

However, her father, is not noted as deceased on her marriage of 1918, so perhaps it was just her mother who died and her father couldn't cope.

Any deaths for a William Alfred Allen or Anna Maria Allen in the Barnet area?

Regards

KA
Title: Re: 1891 and 1901 census - completed
Post by: CaroleW on Monday 29 August 11 19:30 BST (UK)
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Any deaths for a William Alfred Allen or Anna Maria Allen in the Barnet area?

Have you checked freebmd?

Have you checked the 1911 entry to see who she is living with?

USING THE FREE 1911 INDEX TO DETERMINE THE CORRECT HOUSEHOLD

http://www.1911census.co.uk/search/tnaform.aspx

Once you find a possible match - make a note of the county and district in which the person was living

Return to the index and in PERSONAL DETAILS - just put the surname of the family - nothing else

In LOCATION - Select the county and below it - type in the district

In OTHER MEMBERS OF THE HOUSEHOLD - show the full name of the person you have found on the index

Click SEARCH

The 1911 census is strictly pay per view so you will have to buy credits to view the full entry - the above instructions will only help to possibly show others of the same name in the same household

Title: Re: 1891 and 1901 census - completed
Post by: KA on Monday 29 August 11 20:05 BST (UK)
How spiffy is that!   ;D

Many thanks for the info.  I've searched and looking at the ages, found possible siblings.

I have found Anna Maria's death in 1939.  However can't find another sighting of William Alfred Allen.  I'm wondering if he absconded.

Thanks.

KA
Title: Re: 1891 and 1901 census - completed
Post by: CaroleW on Monday 29 August 11 23:24 BST (UK)
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Although looking at the 1911 index, an Ada Allen in resident in Barnet of the correct age

But the free 1911 index shows Ada Kate Allen aged 24 living in Eastbourne Sussex

Using the instructions in my previous reply does not show anybody else surname Allen in the household