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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Inverness => Topic started by: GDub71 on Tuesday 30 August 11 13:53 BST (UK)
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I'm interested in anyone with Beaton / Bethune connections in the Kilmuir district of Skye. My particular Beatons resided in the Bornaskitag area. In the 1841 Census, I have Donald Beaton, Lotter, Aged 70 and his wife Catherine (Nee McKenzie). I am descended from their son Peter Beaton born circa 1818 and his wife Peggy Gillies, also of Bornaskitag. I've trawled through the 1841 and 1851 Censuses for Kilmuir and there are only a few other Beatons in the area, so they are probably related.
In 1841
Jonathan Beaton, Lotter, Aged 60 and his wife Janet, also at Bornaskitag. Had a son and 2 daughters.
Neil Bethune, Aged 45 at Knockows (Not sure where this is) and his wife Marion. In 1851 he's at Cnocholb (again location uncertain). Large family.
Norman Bethune, Aged 35 at Hunglatter with wife Catherine (MacDonald) and several children. Norman and his family emigrated to Australia in 1853 aboard the Hercules. His parents are named as Duncan Bethune and Isabella. Descendants still lving there.
Ideally I would like to link this group together. Coincidentally I am also related to Fergusons and MacDonalds from North Uist who emigrated on the Hercules. They then proceeded to populate half of Australia... ;)
I look forward to any reponse,
Graham
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My g.g.g.grandmother was Ann Beaton/Bethune. She was born abt. 1780 in Sleat.
Her parents were Malcolm Beaton/Bethune & Effy MacLean. She married Malcolm McLure, and their son Farquhar McLure set sail for Australia on board the Hercules in 1854. As part of the Highland clearances from Laird McDonalds estate. However after small-pox broke out and the Hercules was diverted to Queenstown, 305 of its passengers were boarded on other ships. Farquhar, his wife, and family set sail on the Argyle.
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Hello Graham,
I know this is a late reply to your query, but I have only just returned to looking at my Bethune/Beaton family. One of the families you were interested in your query 30-8-2011, was Norman Bethune and wife Catherine McDonald and family who immigrated to Australia in 1853. Their oldest son Lachlan married a Christina Bethune in 1854 in Melbourne, Victoria. Christina is my Gt gt aunt and family lore was that Lachlan and Christina were cousins, but this has not been proven. If you are still interested in this family please reply.
Gillian Day nee Bethune, Melbourne, Victoria, Australia.
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Hi Gillian,
I am still interested in this family and particularly so if you can tie them back into any of the other Bethune families on Skye. I'm sure that some of them will link together its just a case of whether there is recorded information that can bridge the distance in time.
I actually have a book about the Hercules which was sent to me by a distant relative in Australia, as I had family in North Uist who were aboard. I would imagine a large swathe of the Australian population must have had an ancestor who was on the Hercules!
Graham
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My Beaton/Bethune's are originally from Skye - however I am stuck on the Black Isle with my lot - they farmed at Gateside Farm for generations in Knockbain Munlochy
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Hi Graham,
Firstly thank you for answering my e-mail, it is appreciated.
Sorry but I have not managed to connect Norman/Catherine back to anyone at Skye, Norman husband of Catherine's Australian death certificate states his father was Duncan and Mother Isabella.
My own line, which is believed to be connected to Norman and Catherine, is another Norman Bethune who married a Sarah (Marion) McLeod, but as this Norman seems to have died between the 1841 and 1851 Census, I have no idea who his parents were. Sarah died as Sarah Beaton, father as John McLeod (Or McDonnell, but I think was just an error by a son) and Sarah McLean. This family was listed in 1841 and 1851 as follows.
Piece: SCT1841/117 Place: Snizort -Inverness-shire Enumeration District: 1 1841 Census
Civil Parish: Snizort Ecclesiastical Parish, Village or Island: -
Folio: 1 Page: 16
Address: N Cuil
Surname First name(s) Sex Age Occupation Where Born Remarks
BEATON Normd M 55 Farmer Inverness-shire
BEATON Marion F 40 Inverness-shire
BEATON Peter M 15 Inverness-shire (Believed not to be a son, but a nephew who also immigrated to Australia)
BEATON Murdo M 14 Inverness-shire
BEATON Ann F 16 Inverness-shire
BEATON Christy F 12 Inverness-shire *******
BEATON Ann F 5 Inverness-shire
BEATON Roderick M 6m Inverness-shire
In 1851
Piece: SCT1851/117 Place: Snizort -Inverness-shire Enumeration District: 1 Census 1851
Civil Parish: Snizort Ecclesiastical Parish, Village or Island: -
Folio: 87 Page: 20 Schedule: 64
Address: Uig
Surname First name(s) Rel Status Sex Age Occupation Where Born Remarks
BEATON Marion Head W F 52 House Holder Inverness-shire - Kilmuir
BEATON Anne Dau U F 24 General Servant Inverness-shire - Snizort
BEATON Murdo Son U M 22 General Labourer Inverness-shire - Snizort
BEATON Anne Dau - F 13 Inverness-shire - Snizort
BEATON Rodrick Son - M 9 Scholar Inverness-shire - Snizort
Piece: SCT1851/117 Place: Snizort -Inverness-shire Enumeration District: 1 The Next door listing has Christy
Civil Parish: Snizort Ecclesiastical Parish, Village or Island: -
Folio: 87 Page: 19 Schedule: 63
Address: Uig
Surname First name(s) Rel Status Sex Age Occupation Where Born Remarks
MCDONALD Flora Head W F 48 Hsehldr Lady Occ Farm 5 Acres Morayshire - Elgin
MCDONALD Mary B Dau - F 8 Scholar Inverness-shire - Kilmuir
MCCASKILL Jessie Cousin U F 63 Annuiatant Inverness-shire - Bracadale
MCKINNON Lachlan Nephew U M 22 Scholar Visitor Inverness-shire - Small Isles
MCKAY Chirsty Visitr U F 48 General Servant Inverness-shire - Kilmuir (This is the daughter shown in 1841) ********
ROSS Catherine Servnt U F 19 House Servant Inverness-shire - Duirinish
BEATON Chirsty Servnt U F 19 House Servant Inverness-shire - Snizort
MUNRO Alexr Servnt U M 17 General Servant Man Inverness-shire - Duirinish
Marion or Sarah and her children travelled on the Priscilla.
I doubt if I can be of any further assistance with information back on Skye, but if you can think of any way I would be happy to try and provide any information.
Cheers from down under,
Gillian Day
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Well, here's mine in 1841 and 1851:
Donald Bethune and Catherine MacKenzie (daughter of Donald MacKenzie and Christy Ross)
1841 Census - Bornaskitag, Kilmuir, Skye.
Surname First name(s) Sex Age Occupation Where Born Remarks
BETHUNE Donald M 70 Lotter Inverness-shire
BETHUNE Cathrine F 50 Inverness-shire
BETHUNE Peter M 20 Inverness-shire
BETHUNE Margt F 20 Inverness-shire
BETHUNE Isabell F 20 Inverness-shire
BETHUNE Donald M 4 Inverness-shire
BETHUNE Janet F 6m Inverness-shire
Peter (from above) and Margaret Gilles (daughter of Archibald Gillies and Catherine?)
1851 Census - Bornaskittag, Kilmuir, Skye.
Surname First name(s) Rel Status Sex Age Occupation Where Born Remarks
BEATON Peter Head M M 34 Farmer 4 Acres Emp 0 Servants Inverness-shire - Kilmuir
BEATON Catharine Mother W F 63 Inverness-shire - Kilmuir
BEATON Margaret Wife M F 34 Farmer's Wife Inverness-shire - Kilmuir
BEATON Jane Dau U F 10 Scholar Inverness-shire - Kilmuir
BEATON Donald Son - M 8 Scholar Inverness-shire - Kilmuir
BEATON Archd Son - M 6 Scholar Inverness-shire - Kilmuir
BEATON Marion Dau - F 4 Inverness-shire - Kilmuir
BEATON Mary Dau - F 1 Inverness-shire - Kilmuir
It would be nice to think that this is true and I note the name Peter Bethune mentioned in connection with Skye:
http://bethunec.tripod.com/origbethune1.htm
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Thanks for the 1841-1851 Census entries for your family, I will add it to my always growing Bethune files. For quite a number of years I had contact with the Clifford Bethune, the owner of the website in your last message. Cliff was a direct descendant of Lachlan and Christy Bethune. Lachlan was the eldest son of Norman and Catherine (McDonald) Bethune, and his wife Christy was the son of my Norman and Sarah (McLeod) Bethune. Unfortunately, Cliff apparently moved and I have not had any further contact with. He was an avid researcher, so it surprises me that he had not turned up again.
Cheers,
Gillian
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Hello,
I have an Alexander John Beaton (Tough) born in Aberdeen 1898 , he was an illegitimate child of Bathia Bannerman and Alexander Beaton (mason journeman) address was 25 Richmond Terrace Aberdeen . quite quickly he married another girl and Bathia married George Tough who renamed the child Alex Tough , then the whole family moved to BC Canada (Chilliwack ) . Bathia was working as a domestic servant in Longside at the time of Alexanders birth . I hope you can use some of this information for your research .
Thank you Melanie
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Graham
I am descended from Beatons of Kilmuir. This is what I have: If you are able to find any useful links, do please let me know!
Nick Beaton
Beatons of Greaulin
I have managed to research my Beaton line back to the early 1820s, where my 3 x great grandfather, William Bethune was crofting at Greaulin near Linicro. At the time of the 1841 census, William Bethune’s age was given as 75 and he was with his wife, Mary Macneil and youngest child, Neil aged 15 (my great great grandfather).
At the same time, there were two other Beaton / Bethune families crofting at Greaulin, headed by brothers, Angus born Kilmuir about 1790 and John, born circa 1785. The parents of Angus and John were Donald Beaton and Mary Macloed.
Here are the details found for these two brothers:
• John Beaton born circa 1785, married Anne Macaskill:
Known children
Emily born @ 1826,
Donald born @1826,
Mary born @1827,
Anne born @1830 (subsequently married Donald Macinnes)
John born @ 1832
The death of John Beaton is recorded as 5th May 1866 at the age of 80.
Angus Beaton born circa 1790, married Mary McSwan:
Known children
Catherine born @ 1828
Donald born @ 1832
John born @ 1837
Angus born @ 1840
Ann born @ 1846
The death of Angus is recorded as 29th March 1863, aged 72.
Although I have not proved it definitively, I believe that my William Bethune was an older brother to John and Angus. William and his wife, Mary had three known children:
Donald born @ 1824, subsequently married Mary Beaton
Isabella born circa 1825
Neil, born 1826, my 2 x great grandfather, who lived and worked on Stormyhill, Portree until his death in 1901
Neil married Mary Mackinnon in 1861 and had four children, who survived
Mary born 1861 (subsequently married James Macdonald of Raasay)
Duncan, born 1865, (my great grandfather who went to Africa in 1890, where he remained until his death in 1943
Donald born 1868 lived and worked as a blacksmith until his death in 1940 and never married.
Katie born 1870 and never married but spent most of her life in Portree. Died 1956.
Neil Beaton’s older brother, Donald and his wife, Mary continued to live at Greaulin and had four known children:
William born @ 1853
Marion born @ 1855
Donald born@ 1858
Mary born @1863
Donald Beaton was tragically killed in March 1891 by a locomotive as he worked on the track near Row in Dunbartonshire. His widow, Mary is recorded in the 1891 census living at Balagowan with her 30+ year old unmarried daughter, Marion, but no indication of the wherabouts of any of the other children.
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Hi Everyone
I have managed to trace my family tree back to abt 1791 my 4th great grandfather John Beaton was
from Strath Isle of Skye He had a Son Angus Bethune/Beaton Born 1812-1878 my 3rd Great Grandfather on Angus's death Certificate his Mother's name was Catherine Macleod. I was wondering if anyone knows anything about this family Angus moved to North Uist Angus Married a Mary Mackenzie from North Uist.
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Hi Graham,
I am a direct descendant of Norman Bethune and Catherine McDonald who migrated to Australia if you want further info then you can contact me by email bethune.family@bigpond.com
Regards
Cliff Bethune
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Hi Graham,
I reveiwed your post on the Beatons-Bethunes (including Betons and Patons) in Kilmuir Parish, Skye. My Beaton relations are in association to my 3rd Great grandmother; Margaret Beaton MacLeod, wife of Alexander MacLeod (he passed on August 27, 1855 in Totescore, [Kilmuir Parish, Skye]). His death record was signed by informant (brother-in-law*, Neil Beaton) Niel Bethune (Estimated Birth Year 1796) of [Cnockhoe/Knockhoe] Kilmuir Parish, Highlands, Scotland or (Knockoff, Cnockow, 2 Knockour) of the 1841 '51, '61 census- it is the town just a few km's to the SW of Bornaskitag. My 3rd Great Uncle was able to travel down to Linicro / Totescore witness the death and then sign the record that was filed with the Inverness County-Parish of Kulmuir authorities. I know of several more Beatons in Kilmore (some 10 or more families); Bornaskitag, Hunglatter, Graulin, Penore, Steinscholl and Uig and Treaslane in Snizort Of my 3rd great grandmother, she died and is buried in Allegan County, Michigan in the town of Martin.
* you can see Death Certif on my page at Ancestry.com, PANTARBE
Walter McLeod
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My Beaton family were from Kilmuir. I'm descended from Angus Bethune b. ca. 1781 and Catherine Ross born in Kilmuir.
Their family wished to emigrate to the Cape of Good Hope to escape the devastating poverty of the crofters where the landlords forced them into subdivided crofts toiling fruitless soil. They didn't leave in the end and stayed in Kilmuir.
This is their family:
Angus BEATON Farmer 40 Cathrine ROSS 35 John/Donald/ Malcolm/Peter 11/7/4/2 Cathrine Inf
John Bethune his son is through whom I'm descended.
It was Angus Bethune who married Catherine McLeod (referring to the posts above/before this one).
Here are all my notes - hope they help:
Angus Beaton is found appearing on a list of people from the north of Skye who hoped to emigrate, with government assistance, to the Cape of Good Hope, South Africa in 1819-1820. This proposed emigration must not have taken place, and the Angus Beaton family is one of a number who are on record living on Skye after this date. The Beaton family is shown (document attached) as –
Angus Beaton [40 farmer] Catherine Ross 35, John 11, Donald 7, Malcolm 4, Peter 2 and Catherine [infant]
It is assumed that this is the correct family because –
a) The parents’ names are correct.
b) The age given here for John (bc1808-1809) fits with the age found for him in census (b1807-1811).
c) Catherine MacDonald’s death record of 1897 has her age 78 years. This fits with her being an infant in 1819-1820.
A family with similar names is found in the township of Idrigill, Snizort in census and other records.
1841 Idrigill, Snizort
Angus Beaton 60 farmer
Catherine 55
Peter 20
Peggy 15
John 15
Angus 12
Note: The names Peggy and Margaret are interchangeable
1851 Uig, Snizort
Catherine Beaton Head Wid 67 occupying 5acres: born Kilmuir
Angus son unm 23 gen.lab
Donald grson 14 born Dundee, Forfar-sh
Notes:
1. The grson born in Dundee is interesting
2. The townships in the Uig area are not given separately in this census
1861 North Cuil, Snizort
Myles MacInnes Head Mar 40 farmer & merchant
Margaret Wife Mar 38
Catherine Beaton mother-in-law Wid 80
Betsy MacDonald serv unm 17 born Kilmuir
OPR Records
Some records relating to this family appear in the OPR.
OPR Snizort: Birth /Baptisms
John – 15 December 1823: s/o Angus Bethune & Catherine MacLeod, Idrigill of Uig
Angus – born 28 August 1828, baptised 9 February 1829: s/o Angus Bethune & Catherine MacLeod, Idrigill
OPR Kilmuir: Marriages
8 December 1844: Peter Beaton, Snizort married Ann Ross, Kilmuir
OPR Snizort: Marriages:
Proclaimed 1 December 1844: married 24 December 1844:
Peter Bethune, Idrigill & Ann Ross, Borniskitaig
Proclaimed 2 July 1848: married 21 July 1848:
Myles MacInnes, Idrigill & Margaret Bethune, Idrigill
By Rev Angus Martin
Notes:
1. The 1823 record for John: it is unclear from the register whether this is a birth or a baptism date
2. It is not unusual to find a marriage recorded twice when bride and groom came from different parishes. Neither is it unusual to find that the dates differ slightly. The township of Borniskitaig is in Kilmuir parish.
3. Rev Angus Martin was the Church of Scotland minister of Snizort.
Catherine Beaton died in 1862. Her son-in-law Myles MacInnes registered her death and, unfortunately, appears to have made some errors with the details. It is not good practise to assume errors have been made just to make details fit our assumptions, but human error did occur.
Death: North Snizort 1862 No.4:
Catherine Bethune, domestic servant: widow of John Bethune: died 13 January 1862 at North Cuil: age 76 years: d/o John Bethune tenant deceased & Margaret m/s MacPhee deceased: informant – Myles MacInnes merchant, North Cuil
Death: North Snizort 1872 No.10:
Marion MacInnes, married to Myles MacInnes: died 21 October 1872 at Idrigill: age 48 years: d/o Angus Beaton tenant & Catherine m/s MacLeod: informant – Myles MacInnes husband
Register of Corrected Entries (RCE):
Margaret MacInnes – name is changed to Margaret, and cause of death is given
Notes:
1. The 1862 record shows Catherine husband as John – but he appears as Angus in the 1841 census and in the 1872 death record of his daughter
2. The 1862 record shows Catherine’s father as Bethune, but the 1872 record shows Catherine as MacLeod.
Angus Beaton, father of John
It therefore appears that Angus Beaton, father of John Beaton who married Flora Nicolson, was married twice – first to Catherine Ross, and secondly to Catherine MacLeod. The family lived at Idrigill in the Uig area of North Snizort.
Angus Beaton married Catherine Ross c1807. They had family – John (bc1808), Donald (bc1812), Malcolm (bc1815), Peter (bc1817) & Catherine (bc1819).
Catherine Ross died.
Angus then married Catherine MacLeod c1821. They had family – Margaret (bc1822), John (bc1823), Angus (b1828).
Catherine m/s MacLeod died in 1862.
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Hello!
I am trying to trace my mother's people back to Skye. Her great grandparents were James KILPATRICK and Isabella NICOLSON who married in Kelvin, Glasgow in December, 1877. James came from Applecross, Ross-shire while Isabella came from Snizort, Inverness-shire.
I believe Isabella's parents to be Malcolm NICHOLSON and Marion BEATON who married in 1850, Snizort, where Isabella was born about 1852.
Today, I found a death registration on SP for a Marion BEATON (widow of Malcolm NICOLSON) who died in 1918 at the age of 91 years, South Snizort. The informant was her son, Alexander NICOLSON, of Cathcart, Glasgow. I am fairly convinced that this is the right Marion BEATON to my 3x great grandmother. This age jibes with her previously assumed birth year, and our Marion BEATON did have a son named Alexander who did live in the area of Cathcart.
This leads me to the next stage - the previous generation. Her death registration gives her parents as Alexander BEATON, a crofter, and Christina MACLEOD. Do these people fit into the trees of anyone in this message thread?
Mary
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Have you found Marion in 1841 with her parents which may show siblings?
Annie
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Hi Annie,
No, I haven't, not yet. I have gotten bogged down with the Sarah/Marion BEATON/BETHUNE puzzle it seems. I believe I have her after her marriage to Malcolm NICOLSON in 1850.
1851 Carbost
Malcolm NICOLSON 38
Marion/Sarah 25
Isabella 3 months
Janet 70 (Malcolm's mother)
Christian 40 (his sister)
Janet 30 (his sister)
Peter MCDONALD 9 (born Bracadale, his nephew)
Ann MCDONALD 8 (born S. Uist, his niece)
1861 Carbost
Malcolm NICOLSON 30 (probably should be 40+)
Marion 32
Isabella 10
Janet 8
Samuel 5
Christy 1
Janet 80 (his mother)
Peter MCDONALD 19 (his nephew)
Donald 55 (a visitor)
1871 Carbost
Malcolm NICOLSON 53
Marion 40
Isabella 19
Samuel 15
Christy 12
Margaret 9
Alexander 4
Mary
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1861 Carbost (Snizort)
Malcolm NICOLSON 30 (probably should be 40+) - SP have him 50
Marion 32
Isabella 10 - (SP have her as Bell)
Janet 8
Samuel 5
Christy 1
Janet 80 (his mother)
Peter MCDONALD 19 (his nephew)
Donald 55 (a visitor)
Annie
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I wonder if this entry links to Marion's parents? From 1841 in Snizort www.freecen.org.uk/search_records/5efca331f4040b8393762111/alexander-bethune-1841-inverness-shire-snizort-1771-?locale=en
1851 here www.freecen.org.uk/search_records/5a14d051f4040b9d6ed4f841/alexander-beaton-1851-inverness-shire-snizort-1774-?locale=en
Can't really see anything to fit Marion (and variants) in Snizort in 1841 so far. She could have been in another family household of course.
Monica
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Monica,
Thanks so much! I am stumped too. It's always possible, given Marion BEATON's advanced age at death, that her family didn't actually know her parents' proper names. It was her youngest son who gave the information and he was away from the island for some time.
The name variations don't help much. Looking for Marion/Sarah/Meron/Merrin BEATON/BETHUNE, possible daughter of Alexander BEATON/BETHUNE and Christina/Christy/Chirsty MCLEOD/MACLEOD etc. is proving a challenge! Something may pop up yet.
Mary
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A Marion "Bethune"was baptised 20 Oct 1825 she was born at Brescalan which is about 2miles west of the Old Kirk. Alexr. Bethune/Christy McLeod
Don
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Well done, Don ;)
From SP, there is also a Malm (malcolm?) showing for them in 1829 and a Mary in 1824.
Added: these entries show under variant Bethune.
Monica
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Thank you to Anne, Monica and Don for your help!
It's always a good day when another new generation back can be found. This is my mother's line, on her maternal side. It was only recently discovered as there was a series of births with no father named in our native Argyll. Small family stories were built into a theory, records checked, and finally DNA confirmed my suspected biological great grandfather as a KILPATRICK (his grandmother Marion BEATON/BETHUNE), and now I am excited to learn about my Skye and other more northerly ancestors.
In addition to my own DNA data, I manage that of my Argyll born father (who also has unknown DNA links to Skye), my Canadian born son, and my Canadian born husband who has both paternal and maternal links back to Skye. I joined an Inverness project on Gedmatch to learn more. What I did NOT expect to find was that my father and my husband share a common ancestor 7+ generations ago! It would appear that my son has Skye connections at least 4 different ways, from all of his grandparents!
So I appreciate this help. :)
Mary
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Mary, all your roads are pointing to Skye ;)
Monica
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Yes Monica they do, but you forgot to mention the pot holes ;D
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;D