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Title: look up please
Post by: welshspencer on Tuesday 30 August 11 18:46 BST (UK)
Hi there

trying to find birth of William John Burgress he married Catherine A Burke in 1910 newport and they had a Daugh Emma K Burgress dec 1918 swansea

i can not find the parents in the 1911 census any help would be great

thanks
Title: Re: look up please
Post by: CaroleW on Tuesday 30 August 11 19:45 BST (UK)
Burgress or Burgess?

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William John Burgress


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they had a Daugh Emma K Burgress


Marriages December qtr 1910   
William J Burgess   Newport M.  11a 467   
Catherine A Burke    Newport M.  11a 467

What is his birthplace and birthyear? There are lots of William John Burgess births on freebmd so you will need to supply more info

Where and when was Catherine born?

A copy of the marriage cert will give his age and his fathers name
Title: Re: look up please
Post by: welshspencer on Tuesday 30 August 11 22:10 BST (UK)
Hi there its Burgess

I found the marriage in 1910 .. i do not know where he was born, as i could not find the couple in the 1911 census
Title: Re: look up please
Post by: Morganllan on Tuesday 30 August 11 22:27 BST (UK)
Hello welshspencer  :)

I'm sorry but 1911 census requests are not allowed - please see here:

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,355484.0.html

The index is free to search and there are lots of suggestions on this thread:

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,492718.0.html

Kind Regards
Morgan
Title: Re: look up please
Post by: welshspencer on Tuesday 30 August 11 22:39 BST (UK)
Hi .. ok yes sorry,

am not even sure i have the right birth for emma or her right parents on her death record online its says she died swansea jan q 2003 and her birth as 6 Oct 1922, but i can not find a birth at this date for the name given, or a marriage for her incase her name was different ,,the only one i can find with that name is in swansea but for 1918 dec..

regards

Title: Re: look up please
Post by: CaroleW on Tuesday 30 August 11 23:06 BST (UK)
Was the Emma Kathleen Burgess who died in 2003 married or single??

Unless you know the answer - you will need to buy a copy of her death cert which will show her maiden name if she was married
Title: Re: look up please
Post by: welshspencer on Tuesday 30 August 11 23:12 BST (UK)
am not sure.  yess i think your right i will order her death cert.. but not sure they list maiden name

thank you
Title: Re: look up please
Post by: Morganllan on Tuesday 30 August 11 23:14 BST (UK)
Hello  :)

The Emma K Burgess married 1940 in Swansea district....

Are you sure that she is not still living? We are not allowed to post details of living people on here.

Kind Regards
Morgan
Title: Re: look up please
Post by: CaroleW on Tuesday 30 August 11 23:17 BST (UK)
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she died swansea jan q 2003


Emma Kathleen Burgess aged 80 born 6 October 1922
Date of Reg Mar 2003  Swansea  D166  897/1D
Title: Re: look up please
Post by: welshspencer on Tuesday 30 August 11 23:26 BST (UK)
wow thanks carole.. you found it..  i been looking for days .. 
Title: Re: look up please
Post by: welshspencer on Tuesday 30 August 11 23:27 BST (UK)
lol i thought you had found the birth of 1922 of a second ..
Title: Re: look up please
Post by: welshspencer on Tuesday 30 August 11 23:28 BST (UK)
sorry morgan i missed your post..

no she died in 2003 emma kathleen Burgess

I just found the marriage in swansea, but the problem is that her death at death was burgess and not her married name, unless she revered back to it..? but if so i still can not find a birth for that date as burgess.. unless the person giving the information on her death did not know her right age, or she may have forgotton her own age which was/is common..
Title: Re: look up please
Post by: Morganllan on Tuesday 30 August 11 23:33 BST (UK)
The Emma K Burgess married 1940 in Swansea district....

but she was probably divorced as I found a 2nd marriage in 1949 for Clifford E Stoute (deceased)
Title: Re: look up please
Post by: welshspencer on Tuesday 30 August 11 23:39 BST (UK)
i could not find the 1940 marriage in swansea only the 1949
Title: Re: look up please
Post by: CaroleW on Tuesday 30 August 11 23:41 BST (UK)
There is also a child born in 1943
Title: Re: look up please
Post by: welshspencer on Tuesday 30 August 11 23:48 BST (UK)
found the 1940 marriage and is the same surname of the husband as the 1949...but could not find his forename was not available.. but she would have had to go back to her maiden name at death, which is possible , but that leaves with the wrong birth year...


in fact the marriage in 1940 is exactly the same names in 1949
Title: Re: look up please
Post by: CaroleW on Tuesday 30 August 11 23:54 BST (UK)
What is your relationship to her?  If it is via her son - is he still living?

If she divorced - she may have reverted to her maiden name

Until you get the death cert it's impossible to say
Title: Re: look up please
Post by: welshspencer on Wednesday 31 August 11 12:51 BST (UK)
thanks carole
Title: Re: look up please
Post by: welshspencer on Friday 02 September 11 23:07 BST (UK)
The son of Stoute and Burgress seemed to have died the same year of his birth :)