RootsChat.Com
Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Dublin => Topic started by: persian on Sunday 04 September 11 19:35 BST (UK)
-
If anyone has access to the Dublin telephone directory for 1950, could you please look up a Nurse Gallagher or St Josephs 78 lower drumcondra rd.I need to know exactly what the advertisement says. Please Help
Maria
-
I dont have any phone books, but Thom's directory of 1949 mentions the following two names for the address :
78 Drumcondra Road, Lower
Wm. Gallagher, St. Joseph's
Mrs. M.J. Gallagher, nurse, S.C.M.
Shane
-
Thank you Shane
-
Hello,
I was born there in late 1952 and have nurse Gallagher as witness to my birth.
What's your interest in the location?
Noel Christopher Burke (ne: Rogers)
-
Hi There, I sourced and looked up Nurse Gallagher's phone number in the 1962 phone directory. The number was listed in her name and was:42498.
I'm interested in any information on her, e.g. who did she work for?
where did the babies born in 78 Lr. Drumcondra Road go?
How did girls know of Nurse Gallagher?
I'd be most grateful for any information re: the above.
regards,
Martina
-
Information from the Dept Health:
It was a private nursing home run by Mrs Gallagher. It closed in 1962.
Louches
-
Given that I was born there at the close of 1965, it must have been after '65.
-
The son of Nurse Gallagher is still living in the same house. I wrote to him some years ago, asking about records. He informed me that after his mother died. All records were handed to the HSE. However they say they don't gave them
-
On further research I have discover at least 3 of these homes were working together to hide records. Nurse Gallagher, Nurse Farrell and a home in Cabra Park. I have yet to find the name of the nurse that run that one.
-
If you have the number in Cabra Park you might find it on register of electors.
http://databases.dublincity.ie/electoral/advanced.php
-
Many thanks for sharing your interaction with her son. Which would indicate if 'records were actually handed over' to HSE that The State was somehow involved or perhaps not.
I wonder was her 'nursing home,'specifically for children that were 'given up?'
Where did children go from there?
How was it known as a 'safe house' for delivery?
Was it run and funded by The Religious Sisters of Charities and St. Patrick's Guild aka McQuaid and Develra for their American export industry?
-
I am told I was born there, however I was then sent to Nurse Farells home on the North Circular Rd to be handed over. I understand all 3 nurses were affiliated to the Rotunda Hospital.
-
Many thanks for sharing your interaction with her son.
If the 'records' were actually handed to the HSE, it poses the question was Muriel J Gallagher working for the government? Aka McQuaid and Dev?
It begs the question:How did babies get into the system of the religious sisters of charity and St.patrick's Guild from 78 drumcondra road. Or were children 'given up' privately from 78, In an arrangement? As it would have been very unusual for a woman to own property in the 50's onwards, independently.
Also, how did young women know of '78' as a place to go?
So many questions...yet someone knows of the whereabouts of those files.
-
I came across this list of maternity homes in Dublin in 1947 on thejournal.ie but it's not very easy to read
http://www.thejournal.ie/maternity-homes-register-1947-1528514-Jun2014/
I think they all had to register under the 1934 Maternity Homes Act and also provide regular information to the Dept of Local Government (before Dept of Health created). Is it possible that the records were handed to the Rotunda because the HSE also told me they didn't have the records and if any remained they would be held by the Gallagher family...
PERSIAN, do you know if those midwives were definitely affiliated with the Rotunda? It makes sense - it's unlikely they were all operating independently and in any case they would have been registered with the Nursing & Midwifery Board
I think the National Archives has records for the Rotunda but not sure what period they cover - I will try and find out unless anyone else has information??.
-
articles from thejournal.ie
http://www.thejournal.ie/state-files-removed-from-national-archive-following-mother-and-baby-home-revelations-1510066-Jun2014/
http://www.thejournal.ie/mother-and-baby-home-state-report-pregnant-women-england-1563583-Jul2014/
http://cdn.thejournal.ie/media/2014/06/photo-12-13.jpg
-
They were State Registered Midwives, I found the one run by Nurse Farell on the NCR advertised in the Toms directory 1950.
-
The National Archive on Bishop Street are very helpful and holds a vast amount of material.Their # is 01-4073000.
UCD hold Nursing records.
-
Here's a link to a good article.
http://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/no-appetite-to-uncover-scale-of-illegal-adoption-scandal-323556.html
-
Does anyone know what information they have in UCD and is it available to the public?
I suppose the Gallagher family owned the house if the son is still living there, so maybe it was run as a private business? If it was then someone had to pay for the service, I wonder if it was the state or the church - any thoughts anyone?
-
Yes the nurse bought the house, before that she lived around the corner I have the address dome where.
-
I was reading this thread yesterday and had a look in newspaper archives for both addresses - there is very little but did get the impression that they were private run business. Nurse Farrell in NCR sued a patient for payment for instance I'll look them up again in the morning and post what exists if it can be of any use to you guys - if you can post the Cabra Park address I'll check that as well.
On the Rotunda records - they are with the NA but are Closed and can only be consulted with written permission of the hospital. The files they hold themselves are also closed to everyone .
-
First list here under Dublin Corporation ,3rd one down ,St Anthony's,227 Cabra Road added beside it in handwriting
7 Cabra Park.
http://www.thejournal.ie/maternity-homes-register-1947-1528514-Jun2014/
-
I went to CBra Park karst week to gave a look when I was in Dublin. 7 Cabra Park dud not look large enough for a nursing home. However 1 Cabra Pk did and it was called St Joseph's . I was also told by the adopted son if the Farells that he saw paper work from number 1. But there were so many if them out there and no one will tell us anything. Any help would be appericated.
-
Strangely enough i cant find No 1 or No 7 Cabra Park on register of electors though the numbers seem to be all over the place.
http://databases.dublincity.ie/electoral/advanced.php
-
Street view
http://ie.placelandia.com/street-view/-cabra-park-dublin-ireland.html
-
227 Cabra Road
https://www.google.ie/maps/@53.361509,-6.295536,3a,37.5y,18.15h,82.16t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1soKLGPQkFE52iGckuRZ_kOQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656
-
Pearse St. Liabary, who hold newspaper/journal archives, advised me that it should be possible to access UCD nurse archives.
Another place worth looking for verification of ownership is The Registary of Deeds 01-670-7500.
-
Here's an article on : Temple Hill, Monkstown. Run by the RSOC and St. Patrick's Guild/ aka McQuaid-Dev.
http://www.irishtimes.com/life-and-style/homes-and-property/2.1233/blackrock-landmark-for-2-5-million-1.1332584#.VYWsHfUdDNU.facebook
-
Sorrento Nursing Home operated out of 7 Cabra Park between mid 1940's to 1960's, run by Nurse Norah Hickey.(d 1993) Latest mention I can find is 1964.
-
Thank you Hasta, that name is still over the door . I would love to know what number 1 was used for with a name of St Joseph's.
-
Nr 1 Cabra Park looks like a very large property on google maps. The electoral lists for the 1940/50/60's has a lot of different names and lists a Rev Richard Fox as one of the occupants.
numbers 1-3 were combined after 1955/56 - the house is opposite St Peters National School and beside St Peters Church so maybe it was connected to the Church in some way
227 Cabra Rd - electoral roll names Brigid & Edward Halley 1940's to 1960's. sold feb15 http://www.myhome.ie/priceregister/227-cabra-rd-dublin-7-dublin-dublin-7-dublin-339563
-
Thank you Louches
-
Thank you all for sharing your information, it is very much appreciated.
Persian, in your very 1st post you refer to an advert. What did it relate to I wonder.
-
Persia, interesting that both # 78 & #1 were called St. Joseph.
-
Martins, the add was in the Toms directory 1950. It was under the catagory if Nursing homes, that was the one on the NCR. I didn't know about the others at the time of looking.
-
Maria, many thanks for that. I'll check it out and revert.
-
A gentleman in the library archives found it for me. I didn't have a clue how to look and as I live in the UK it's not easy. I have to wait till I go home to Dublin to search
-
I'll be heading there this week if you'd like me to look up anything, please let me know.
-
This is a run down of mentions of the various addresses in newspapers.
1 Cabra Park
Named 'MAYVILLE' May 1947 - Lots of adverts for Building and contents for Auction, described as consisting of '9 apartments'
Not sold - highest bid was £2,500
1989 - for sale for £45,000
227 Cabra Road
1937 St Anthony's Nursing Home (private birth announcement)
1938 St Anthony's Nursing Home (private birth announcement)
1942 St Anthony's Nursing Home (private birth announcement)
1947 - will published of Miss Elizabeth A Savage of 227 Cabra Park
(£14,509)
Bridget Halley died July 1971 at no 227 Cabra Road (widow of Edward)
Their son dies, same address in 1986.
7 Cabra Park
Moorehead family living here until 1943
Dec 1944 - Private birth announcement
March 1948 - Private birth announcement
Advert in 'Social & Personal' section of Irish Independent
'Nurse Hickey, Sorrento Nursing Home. Cabra Park. 75850
July 1948 - Private birth announcement
Nov 1948 - Private birth announcement
Oct 1949 - Private birth announcement
June 1954 - Private birth announcement
Dec 1954 - Private birth announcement
June 1956 - Private birth announcement
Aug 1956 - Private birth announcement
Oct 1956 - Private birth announcement
March 1957 - Private birth announcement
April 1960 - Private birth announcement
JUly 1960 - Private birth announcement
March 1961 - Private birth announcement
May 1961 - Private birth announcement
March 1961 - Private birth announcement
August 1961 - Private birth announcement
March 1962 - Private birth announcement
April 1962 - Private birth announcement
April 1963 - Private birth announcement
June 1964 - Private birth announcement
June 1964 - Private birth announcement
June 1964 - Private birth announcement
July 1964 - Private birth announcement
Dec 1963 - Patrick Hickey death notice
Jan 1965 - Advert for housekeeper by Mrs Hickey 'Light Household duties'
Oct 1993 - Norah Hickey Death Notice
From 1972 - another family living there
78 Lower Drumcondra Road
Advert Irish Press Nov 1939 - "Nurse M J Gallagher, Hollybank Road has removed to 78 Lower Drumcondra Road. Phone 72498."
Aug 1966 - Death notice of Nurse Muriel Josephine Gallagher
540 North Circular Road
July 1924 - Nurse Rose Farrell sues a Mrs Burke for payment of £33 unpaid for her daughters 'confinement'
Advert in The Kerryman - June 1933 - "Maternity patients received in Nurses own home before and during confinement. Terms moderate. Very Private. Nurse Farrell's 540 North Circular Road Dublin."
June 1937 - Private Birth Announcement
1948 - marriage announcement of Nurse Farrell's daughter
1966 - death notice of friend of the Farrell's who also lived at 540 NCR
June 1969 - death notice of Nurse Rose Farrell
Sept 1969 - Sale notice for 540 NCR
-
Hasha thank you so much x
-
Hasta, sincere thanks for that wealth of information.
-
Ucd hold the Midwifery records but permission must be sought and granted from the Midwifery board in Blackrock first. They sure don't make it easy! Here is the protocol:
Nursing and Midwifery Board of Ireland logo Home|Library|Publications|Customer Service|News & Events|Useful Links Search:
18/20 Carysfort Avenue, Blackrock, Co. Dublin, Ireland|Tel: 353-1-639 8500|Fax: 353-1-639 8595|Pay Fees: 1890 200116|Pay Fees Online
About UsCareers in Nursing & MidwiferyRegistering to PractiseProfessional Practice & EducationCheck the RegisterReporting Misconduct
You are here: HomeLibrary
Library
Electronic Databases
Library Collections
An Bord Altranais Archives
Library Links
Text SizeSmall text iconLarge text iconPrintPrint page icon
About the Library
The library is an in-house library facility for An Bord Altranais staff. However we operate a limited access policy (see below).
Library office hours are from 10am to 1pm & 2pm to 5pm - Monday to Friday.
The Library can be contacted as follows:
Catherine Rooney
Librarian
An Bord Altranais, 18/20 Carysfort Avenue, Blackrock, Co. Dublin.
Email: library[at]nursingboard.ie
Telephone: 01 6398511
Fax: 01 6398596
LIBRARY ACCESS POLICY
Registered Nurses & Midwives
The Library operates a limited access policy and nurses/midwives who wish to use the library must have a letter of introduction from the library of your institution of higher education stating the reason access is required. The nature of the query must be research based.
Student Nurses & Midwives
If you are a student nurse/midwife and wish to use the collection, a letter of introduction must be provided from the library of your institution of higher education stating the reason access is required.
Members of the Public
If you are not a registered nurse/midwife and wish to use the collection, a letter of introduction must be provided from the library of your institution of higher education stating the reason access is required.
Should you wish to make an appointment to visit the Library then please telephone 01 6398511.
Moderator Comment: e-mail edited, to avoid spamming and other abuses.
Please replace [-- at --] with @
-
No chance of us getting access then
-
Well, I wouldn't rule it out altogether, just yet. Am looking at other avenues to approach it from.
-
Good lunch Martina you will need it. If there is anything I can do x
-
Many Thanks Maria. I may well do. I'll let you know how I get on.
-
Re:78 Upper Drumcondra Road.
Here's some details re: Busisness that traded and trade from Muriel J Gallagher's delivery rooms...still in her family's hands, so to speak:
1.
RATHLIN PROPERTIES LIMITED
General information
Number 192972
Type Company
Status Dissolved
Office Address 78 Upper Drumcondra Road, Dublin 9
Country of origin Ireland
Registration date 01 September 1992
Next annual return date 01 March 2003
Description
Registered as 192972, Rathlin Properties Limited is an Irish company that’s been in the business since 01 September 1992. It is currently located at 78 Upper Drumcondra Road, Dublin 9 and its status is dissolved. The last time company accounts were received was on 01 January 1970.
The company has submitted 1 submissions to the CRO so far. The last submission by this company was about A1 Application To Register As A New Company, on 01 September 1992. .
2.
DUNDRUM MEWS MANAGEMENT COMPANY LIMITED
General information
Number 410369
Type Company
Status Dissolved
Office Address 78 Upper Drumcondra Road, Dublin 9.
Country of origin Ireland
Registration date 04 November 2005
Last annual return date 04 May 2006
Next annual return date 04 May 2007
Description
Registered as 410369, Dundrum Mews Management Company Limited is an Irish company that’s been in the business since 04 November 2005. It is currently located at 78 Upper Drumcondra Road, Dublin 9. and its status is dissolved. The last time company accounts were received was on 04 May 2006.
The company has submitted 2 submissions to the CRO so far. The last submission by this company was about Memorandum And Articles on 01 November 2005.
3.
WILDFLOWER PROPERTY (ROI) LIMITED - 78 UPPER DRUMCONDRA ROAD, DUBLIN 9., IRELAND
COMPANY REGISTRATION NUMBER
504338
COMPANY STATUS
LIVE
REGISTERED ADDRESS
78 UPPER DRUMCONDRA ROAD
DUBLIN 9.
PHONE NUMBER
ADD YOUR COMPANY LOGO TO THIS PAGE.
Claim as your business now.
COMPANY DESCRIPTION
WILDFLOWER PROPERTY (ROI) LIMITED is a Private limited by shares registered in Ireland with the Company reg no 504338. Its current trading status is "live". It was registered 2011-10-03. It can be contacted at 78 Upper Drumcondra Road, Dublin 9., Ireland.
4.
MAGUIRE MCERLEAN Solicitors
Mr. Gabriel P. Maguire/ Mr. Gerard P. McErlean
Address:
Solicitors,
78/80 Upper Drumcondra Road,
Dublin 9.
DX: 101004 Drumcondra
Contact Details:
Tel: 8360621
Fax: 8570296
Web:
Minimum Compulsory Professional Indemnity Insurance Details
Start Date: 01.12.2014
End Date: 30.11.2015
Cover Amount: €1,500,000 each and every claim
Insurer
UK General Insurance Ireland Limited
Alexandria House
The Sweepstakes
Ballsbridge
Dublin 4.
-
These could be companies run by her son as he still lives there
-
Maria, do you happen to recall her son's name?
-
His name is William he would be in his 80's now, he is still living at that address.
-
Many thanks for that. Really appreciate it.
-
Hi All, still searching for any information re:Nurse Muriel J Gallagher formally of 78, Lower Drumcondra Road, Dublin. And the culture that existed around private births at this location in the '50's & '60's.
Any help would be much appreciated!
Best,
M
-
Hi Martina Mary,
I contacted the Child & Family Agency about the records for St Josephs last November. I spoke to a few people who were very helpful but nobody seems to know where the records are.
Nurse Gallagher's premises is across the road from the Dublin Archdiocese headquarters so maybe it was connected in some way. I checked the Land Registry to find out who owns the property but no luck but the information is available from the Registry of Deeds in Henrietta Street in Dublin.
Can I ask if you are doing family research?
Rgds
L
-
Hi Martina Mary,
St Josephs is included in this report:
http://www.ohchr.org/Documents/Issues/Women/WG/righthealth/WS/ARA_JFMR.pdf
Rgds
L
-
Dear L.,
Thank you for replying and the attached report.
I note the postal code maybe incorrect on the report for #78.
Yes I am conducting research.
My query pertains to the whereabouts of #78 birth records.
The house is owned by the midwife's son. He states all records were handed to the HSE on his mother's demise. Yet, the HSE state they are not in possession of them!
Someone must be aware of or have knowledge of the whereabouts of those records.
Kind regards,
M
-
Hi Martina Mary,
I think you are right that #78 is probably D9. I read somewhere that postal numbers were not used until the 1960's and #78 is very near Clonliffe which is D3. It looks like JFM has found some information about private nursing homes but it's hard to believe that nobody knows where the records are or what details the private nursing homes had to report to the Health Board at the time. The qualified informant who registered the birth is named on the original bc & I think in those days a birth was registered in the district it took place. #78 was Dublin north so maybe some info by searching the register for the birth-date in the public office and if child was baptised it was probably in a local church. I came across this recently :http://clannproject.org/share-your-experience/.
Rgds
L
-
Even the Atchbishops Palace deny any knowledge of these babies. We will get no where with the powers that be
-
Dear L.,
Respectfully, as previously stated my query pertains to the whereabouts of nurse Gallaher's birth records., and not to whom registered the birth; as per my earlier post on same.
Kind regards,
M
-
If you ever find out let me know
-
Dear All,
Might anyone know what SCM is an abbreviation for?
It is printed in the 1940-50's phone book after the entry for:
Muriel J Gallaher, Nurse, SCM.
Any help would be appreciated.
Kind regards,
M
-
it seems it was a legal requirement for maternity nursing homes to register with the local authority for the area they operated in and keep detailed records that could be inspected by an authorised officer at any time. it doesn't look like the records had to be sent to anyone. in the 1950's & 60's the local authority for #78 would have been Dublin Corporation.
before the 1953 health act, mothers attended the local dispensary doctor & the district midwife attended at the confinement free, after that they could pick their own GP so maybe the dispensary doctor/ gp referred mothers to #78 as they were all operated & licenced by the same local authority. also the local authority issued the licence to each registered midwife & her maternity home. I also read somewhere that the local dispensary doctor filled out the registration of birth forms & sent them to the superintendent registrar. when a midwife died her badge had to be returned to the nursing board within 14 days but I didn't come across anything about returning the records. I didn't find anything to say if the district midwife was employed by the local authority or operated as a private business but I will research some more...
rgds
l
-
hi Martina Mary, dont know but could it be State Certified Midwife?
-
IT is State Certified Midwife
-
That's a mine of information. Thank you.
Re: 78, From 1930-late 60's that house number is missing from the Thom's directory. Will check more again.
LC, you maybe right re: the religious connection. Lots More digging to do next week. Will report back!
-
Does anyone know the house number MJ Gallaher moved from on Hollybrook road in 1939, (re: earlier comment on this thread about an add in the Thoms directory on same), to 78 Lr Drumcondra Road?
Kind regards,
M
-
hi, the hollybrook rd address was in the electors register but looks like that database is not available now..
-
hi all,
it looks like nurse Gallagher & others operated their nursing homes under their own name so they did not have to register a business name - maybe they were employed by the local authority after all...if they were, then presumably the records would belong to the local authority
any ideas about how to find out? does Thom's have any other info?
-
They all seemed to be connected to the Rotunda Hospital in some way
-
hi
Martina mary - muriel & wm gallagher married 1931 Dublin..
persian - if connected to rotunda maybe they'd have the old records..was that in the advert?
-
They may have some records I never tried there.
-
hi Persian, have you tried other places? I tried the child & family agency but they had no info
-
I phoned the HSE the girl who first answered the phone said they had the records. However when I said I would like to make an appointment to see the. I got a phone call from a person higher up who denied they had them
-
that's sounds odd all right, first time i phoned the HSE they said the same then told me to ring child & family agency. very annoying going round in circles. can I ask if you ever wrote to anyone? I was advised to put everything in writing but not sure if it would help
-
Hi LC, I didn't see the add it was stated by another person early on in this thread. Will check a few other sources next week.
Thanks LC and Persian
-
I saw Fintan Gaven the legal side of the Archbishops Palace. I had heard about 'the secret files" held there. These were of the children born in such homes. Was told they had to keep them to ensure one did not marry a sibling. Which is why you apply for approval to marry. He denied they existed. I wrote to the then minister for children France's Fitzgerald who refused to answer questions or meet me. I have done a statement for the current enquiry. I was told they are only dealing with 14 of the bigger homes not the smaller ones. You name it I have tried
-
persian, that's very interesting & shows how much influence the catholic church had & how they assumed people would marry in the church.
I'm starting to think the district midwives were employed directly as read yesterday that the local health authority provided living accommodation for the dispensary doctor & district midwife.
it would be great to know how many dispensaries were near #78 & if the local health authority paid a set amount for all mothers no matter where they had their baby. if they did,then who paid the extra charges for the 'private' service? was it the mother or her family?
I wonder if #78 was the only private nursing home around that area - would that info be in Thom's?
so many questions...
-
did anyone manage to find original bc in the gro?
-
There was a number of these places within walking distance of each other. I was born in 78 but handed over to foster parents 7 days later. This was done with another midwife Nurse Farrell on the north circular road. To my knowledge there was at least 3 on the NCR. They worked along side each other . Nurse Gallagher worked with them.
-
thanks for that info Persian , very helpful. its impossible to get answers from the authorities & you have done a lot of research.. any advice about getting a copy of every birth cert for the Dublin north register for person's birth date & hope to find one with #78 as place of birth?
-
I went to the GRO and searched the book from 3 months before my birth to 3 months after. The trick is to look for babies with the same name as the mother, you know then there was no father named. Always remember the midwives also lied about birth dates to hide things. Unfortunately I didn't find anything. If you have a name and year of birth it's a lot easier. The registers go in quarters and there are usually some at the back of the book that were late entries. Good luck x
-
thanks again Persian, great. info
-
I just came across this
https://www.kildarestreet.com/wrans/?id=2015-07-14a.1719
even TD's can't get answers about missing records
-
It is very clear that Cannon Law over rules Common Law in this county i. e. The church still controls our state.
I see MJ Gallagher (nee O' Reilly) was born in 1906. Her father was a constable from what I can ascertain from the Certs!
It is simply unacceptable that our personal details are in the domain of the church, and nobody apparently knows how to access them.
Interesting finding from you both, many thanks.
Regards,
M
-
hi Martina Mary, you can find some more info on the 1911 census..
-
Many thanks LC. I'll check it out.
-
It would appear from MJ's death Cert that her husband was a retired Garda!
Her son JC Gallagher bought #78 in the 1970's from an investment company! Who owned it prior to that is unclear.
I wonder what house # the Gallaher's moved from in Hollybrook rd in 1939, to #78 lower Drumcondra road ?
-
Hi LC, thanks for the census tip. Very illuminating in numerous fashions!
-
hi all, just wondering if anyone had one of those DNA tests & if the information was useful?
-
hi all, re last post... just found a whole topic about DNA..sorry posted in wrong place😢
-
hi all,
does anyone know if mothers were sent to the private midwives service from mother & baby homes? I've been trying to find out if babies were actually born in the m&b homes but no luck.
did mothers stay in the m&b homes for weeks after babies were born
there was a m&b home st patricks in cabra not too far away from #78 & the other two midwives on the north circular road...
-
Hi LC, yes that right. Nurses Hickey & Farrell as cited in an earlier post on this thread by another.
You might like to have s look at 'Banished Babies' by Mike Milotte and 'the light in the Window' by June Goulding, to name but a few of some of text available.
-
LC, if you take a look at Adoption Right Alliance web page. There might be answers to some of your questions there.
-
thanks a lot for that M Mary,
-
Hey there,
I see was posted quite a while back but did you get any info on this place? Any help much appreciated. My mother was born there.
-
Genadeltoro, which place specifically are your referring to, as this thread includes many locations?
-
78 Lower Drumcondra road in Dublin. Run by Nurse Gallagher.
-
Hello everyone
I am new to this chat. We have just learned that our mother had a child in 1951 in a private home listed as 77 Drumcondra Road. I cannot find anything at that address and wonder if it was a typo - 78 seems more likely. Does anyone know if there was another home across the road?
-
Debra Noel, Archbishop Palace was across the road from 78!
-
Oh my goodness that's right I now recall reading that. So I guess 78 is correct. I wish there was more info on where the records are as this looks like we have found the right home. Thank you for replying :)
-
Hello everyone
I am new to this chat. We have just learned that our mother had a child in 1951 in a private home listed as 77 Drumcondra Road. I cannot find anything at that address and wonder if it was a typo - 78 seems more likely. Does anyone know if there was another home across the road?
Hi DebraNoel
Do you mind saying who was the birth informant - was it Nurse M J Gallagher by any chance ?
-
Hello, we are awaiting the birth certificate, it is being sent by post, once received I can let you know.
Best regards,
Debra
-
Hi All,
Also check out a parell thread to these conversations, titled in the subject box: 78 Lower Drumcondra Road, Nurse Gallagher!
It seems 78 was a really busy spot!
So where are all those birth records all are starting they know not of their whereabouts!
Hardly a credible response. Given Nurse Gallagher's son says (in January 2017) he gave them to the HSE; and the HSE claim they do not have them!
So who does have them???
-
HSE was established in 2005, before that there were regional health boards. Is it possible the old health board records are not in the HSE? Maybe the Department or the Minister for Health would know where the old records are...
Do old records go to the national archives?
-
The records were apparently handed over on Nurse Gallagher's death to the Health Authorities/ Board of the day, back in 1966. Will check Archives. Thanks for direction LC. Although I can't help but wonder if they will be Sealed for a specific time period?
-
We reached out to the HSE and they have the birth certificate we are looking for. We are awaiting it by post. BUT we have no idea where the baby went. She was put up for adoption and the trail goes cold at this point unless we can connect an adoption agency to the home. But as indicated- it would appear some records were handed over. (1951).
-
When I contacted then they said none had been handed over. Do you know if they have them for 1950? And do you know of a specific person to contact?
-
We started out with an on line inquiry for a copy of the birth certificate. We gave as much info as we had (which wasn't a lot) and paid. We were told that we would be contacted if more info was required. They did contact us by email and we ended up with more info so we told them and they found the birth certificate. I think you are best to "follow" the online process, apply and let them contact you. They were EXTREMELY helpful. The women we dealt with was Helen Foley. But as I say, we followed procedure first and I'd recommend you do the same. (Gov't red tape lol). Are you looking for someone born there in 1950's as well? I'm now trying to find out where babies put up for adoption went. HSE can't help on that. Debra
-
I have tried all the right channels. But as I don't have any name to go by they can't help. I only know I was born there in 1950. Unfortunately the name I went by was that if my foster parents. Babies born in the private nursing homes were usually fostered out privately no agencies involved. However the adoption act only came into force in 1952 and babies born before that were fostered. When the act became law the majority of the children were later formally adopted. I was not one of them. Good luck with your search X
-
Oh I am so sorry. Looks like we have opposite info as I have birth certificate and no adoption/foster info. Too bad we don't live in a perfect world and you weren't born a year later! Our search is a girl born January 1951.
-
I was 5 months earlier lol August 1950. Although I was born there I was handed over 7 days later. From the nursing home in the North Circulat Rd the go between was Nurse Farrell. So until I got some paperwork I always believed I was born in the home I was handed over in. So worth your while looking for a go between x
-
Hmm, the birth certificate states the address only (77 Drumcondra) I learned on this chat that it was likely wrong and across the road at 78. Once we get the birth certificate we will see if there's more info. Were you adopted or fostered - if you were fostered wouldn't your name have stayed the same as your birth name? I will look into the link of Nurse Farrell and see what we come up with, amd we are trying other options too - HSE, adoption registry etc. I am not sure I trust any records to be absolutely accurate (honest) that is for sure!
-
Debra noel,
maybe you could try the adoption authority.. i think they hold all the records no matter which agency was used to arrange the adoption.
is the address 77 upper or lower drumcondra rd?
the archdiocese or local church might have some baptism info for the name on the birth cert..
best of luck in your search
-
hi Persian,
did you get any information from the gro as you know your dob & the registration district?
am i right in thinking that if both parents names were on the bc then adoption was not possible
-
Our birth certificate has both names. Possibly the adoption records were fudged?
-
I have been the GRO no luck. The problem I have is I don't know who I am. The answer I get is well your birth has not been registered. In those days the falsification of information was rife. It was to stop people finding out the truth. I was never adopted but fostered at first the HSE denied any involvement. I then asked for information under the FOI act and got the foster information but they said they didn't have a birth certificate or birth name.
-
debra noel, adoption orders after 1952 were supposed to be made only for orphans, babies of single mums & children between 6 mths & 7 years. legally mothers had up to 6 months to sign final papers.
as Persian said, earlier than that it seems the system was very informal
-
Persian, if the paperwork from the hse said where you were born then they must have more information..
do you know if a person applies for information under FOI or under Data Protection, is it the same results?
am I right in thinking that foi is for government and data protection is for all other organisations?
-
We would have fallen at the crossover depending on when the baby was actually adopted. Born Jan 1951 but who knows how long it took or where she went. Mother and father are both named on the birth certificate but they were not married. She was a young single girl. Persian, I am still not understanding how (why) babies that were fostered would have had their names changed? -how then can you be sure your birthdate is even correct.
-
Debra, seems the aai must have some info as they approve / authorise any adoption in Ireland but there were many babies adopted out to the UK & usa.
did BC list parents as married?
-
I would apply under both, at one time one of them was free but not now. I would word any letter as under FOI and Data Protection.
-
Debra I can not be sure of anything to be honest, I know they lied about dates of births for others. You should look on the Adoption Rights Alliance. Lots of avenues there with support and advice. They have a site on Face Book
-
read online that the birth dates on certs registered in the gro for babies being adopted from the nursing homes were often out by six weeks either side to cover up and make it difficult to trace back.. any info anyone?
-
Yes what you are saying is true. If the midwife or an institution registered the birth. A lot gave the wrong DOB to try to stop people in the future tracing the family.
-
Hi All, I gather from a Facebook message that RTÉ 1 radio @ 3.00pm on April 3rd, Ray D'arcy Show will be discussing Adoption and Temple Hill! - may be of interest to some?
-
Hi All, Nurse Gallagher's Nursing Home is mentioned on this interview:
The Ray D'Arcy Show from Monday 3 April 2017 on RTÉ Radio 1
http://rte.ie/r.html?rii=9_21154238_19148_03-04-2017
https://cdn.rasset.ie/manifest/audio/2017/0403/20170403_rteradio1-theraydarcyshow-noleenenni_c21154238_21154257_261_/manifest.m3u8
-
m Mary, thanks for posting the link, I just listened to it - very upsetting to hear.
it seems that nobody can access any records once they are connected to nurse Gallagher's nursing home.
the lady on rte said she tried to get her childhood medical records but when she gave her birth details they were missing. she also tried to get baptism cert but no luck..very strange
why is everything related to #78 'lost' ?
seems there might be a bigger story here.
any thoughts anybody ? what is the mystery of nurse Gallagher's??
-
Hi LC, yes there does appear to be some link of immunity afforded to Nurse Gallagher of 78 Lower Drumcondra Rd. I can't help but wonder was it a religious connection of some sort? It's all too much of a coincidence! Worth writing to RTE 1, and ray@rte.ie about it - all should who are having difficulty re: obtaining records from 78!
-
Did anyone hear the story about falsified BC and baptism cert on the ray darcy show recently?
http://www.rte.ie/radio/utils/radioplayer/rteradioweb.html#!rii=b9%5F21161989%5F19148%5F%5F
The adopted lady spoke of how she was adopted illegally in 1954 after she was born in a private nursing home in Collins Ave, D9 - not very far from nurse gallaghers. At 2 days old she was handed over to her adoptive parents and they registered her in their name.
She found out at 48 she was adopted and also that everyone in her adopted family knew her story but kept it secret from her. She was able to get very basic information from her adoptive mother but could not get any information from official sources. She searched for years and made a tv programme a few years ago. She has now done dna tests and had some luck in finding answers. Maybe that's the way to go for those of us who can't get our information??
After hearing the story and reading newspaper articles in the last few days, it looks like posters on here were right when they said there was some kind of collusion between the midwives, doctors, religious and social workers. Apparently, they were all involved to some degree or another.
-
Hi LC, Yes I did hear that show and listened with interest.
It is good to hear you concur re: Nurse Gallagher and other nursing home propritress- midwives, church and state collusion all insured this culture thrived - and thrives still as information is denied to all currently seeking their personal information!
-
Hi All,
Reading & Following the thread here re: Drumcondra and surrounding areas.
Has anyone any knowledge of Mrs Rodney's Nursing Home on Upper Drumcondra road in the 1950-60's?
Any help would be appreciated.
Thanks-Annie
-
Hi All, my last post should have read Nurse Rooney.
Might anyone have any information on her?
I believe she operated on Drumcondra Road and Marlbouro Road.
Thanks -Annie
-
Annie,
if you had access to an old Thom's directory you could check for a listing. I think others on here have found information in old newspaper ads too. if you find anything it could be of interest to others here. best of luck
-
LC, thanks for your suggestion.
It was actually on foot of consulting Thoms Directory in the first instance that I was asking my original questions re: Mrs Rooney.
Any information would be helpful.
- Annie
-
Annie, if you could share the two address for Nurse Rooney from Thom's, someone may have information..
-
LC. I've mentioned them in an earlier post.
-
if its 107 Marlborough road, that address is very near st rita's nursing home on Sandford road run by Mary Keating. maybe they were connected?
-
Annie if you do have the numbers to go with those street names I can check the newspaper archive for you..
I already searched with just the info already posted and no results.
-
Hi. Re the comment about the 3 Dublin homes working together to hide information. I have found out that my late mother was in a home ran by a Nurse Ada Collins at 67 St Stephens Green, Dublin. The Irish Adoption Agency tell me that Nurse Collins was notorious for hiding information and they have great difficulty in tracing information regarding 'Nurse Collins babies'. I wonder if Nurse Ada Collins could be connected to the other homes you mention in your post.
-
Amstaford: I wonder what circa was ‘Ada’ operating on St. stephen’s Green from?
-
Hi. My mum was there around 1941/1942.
-
When I contacted then they said none had been handed over. Do you know if they have them for 1950? And do you know of a specific person to contact?
For anyone who might have an interest:
The Irish minister for children was on radio saying they have just discovered at least 126 children had false birth registrations from st Patrick's guild in the 1940 - 60's and the police have been contacted and it will be investigated.
They think there may be more institutions that did the same thing
-
This is a run down of mentions of the various addresses in newspapers.
1 Cabra Park
Named 'MAYVILLE' May 1947 - Lots of adverts for Building and contents for Auction, described as consisting of '9 apartments'
Not sold - highest bid was £2,500
1989 - for sale for £45,000
227 Cabra Road
1937 St Anthony's Nursing Home (private birth announcement)
1938 St Anthony's Nursing Home (private birth announcement)
1942 St Anthony's Nursing Home (private birth announcement)
1947 - will published of Miss Elizabeth A Savage of 227 Cabra Park
(£14,509)
Bridget Halley died July 1971 at no 227 Cabra Road (widow of Edward)
Their son dies, same address in 1986.
7 Cabra Park
Moorehead family living here until 1943
Dec 1944 - Private birth announcement
March 1948 - Private birth announcement
Advert in 'Social & Personal' section of Irish Independent
'Nurse Hickey, Sorrento Nursing Home. Cabra Park. 75850
July 1948 - Private birth announcement
Nov 1948 - Private birth announcement
Oct 1949 - Private birth announcement
June 1954 - Private birth announcement
Dec 1954 - Private birth announcement
June 1956 - Private birth announcement
Aug 1956 - Private birth announcement
Oct 1956 - Private birth announcement
March 1957 - Private birth announcement
April 1960 - Private birth announcement
JUly 1960 - Private birth announcement
March 1961 - Private birth announcement
May 1961 - Private birth announcement
March 1961 - Private birth announcement
August 1961 - Private birth announcement
March 1962 - Private birth announcement
April 1962 - Private birth announcement
April 1963 - Private birth announcement
June 1964 - Private birth announcement
June 1964 - Private birth announcement
June 1964 - Private birth announcement
July 1964 - Private birth announcement
Dec 1963 - Patrick Hickey death notice
Jan 1965 - Advert for housekeeper by Mrs Hickey 'Light Household duties'
Oct 1993 - Norah Hickey Death Notice
From 1972 - another family living there
78 Lower Drumcondra Road
Advert Irish Press Nov 1939 - "Nurse M J Gallagher, Hollybank Road has removed to 78 Lower Drumcondra Road. Phone 72498."
Aug 1966 - Death notice of Nurse Muriel Josephine Gallagher
540 North Circular Road
July 1924 - Nurse Rose Farrell sues a Mrs Burke for payment of £33 unpaid for her daughters 'confinement'
Advert in The Kerryman - June 1933 - "Maternity patients received in Nurses own home before and during confinement. Terms moderate. Very Private. Nurse Farrell's 540 North Circular Road Dublin."
June 1937 - Private Birth Announcement
1948 - marriage announcement of Nurse Farrell's daughter
1966 - death notice of friend of the Farrell's who also lived at 540 NCR
June 1969 - death notice of Nurse Rose Farrell
Sept 1969 - Sale notice for 540 NCR
-
Looking for my birth record in Sorrento Nursing Home, 7 Cabra Park where I was born on January 7th, 1962. Has anyone received any record from this nursing home which was run by Nurse Norah Hickey?
-
Carmel - if you haven't already you should could Senator Lorraine Clifford Lee
lorraine.cliffordlee@oireachtas.ie as she has been raising the case of the 7 Cabra Park with Minister Zappone this last week re: falsified birth certs and the whereabouts of the records.
-
Hi All
This is s General call-out to Adoptees Born at
St, Joseph’s Nursing Home,
78 Lower Drumcondra Road
Dublin 9, Ireland
Visit the Facebook Group page for sharing information on same
-
Where’s the page on Facebook?
-
It’s a Facebook group page called
Adoptees born at 78 Lr Drumcondra Road, D.9
If you wish to join the group answer questions poised and follow group rules for acceptance and sharing if information about this address and matters raised on this chat thread
-
Thanks! Already found it and have joined :)
-
Just opening up this thread again:
My interest is in Rose Farrell in 540 NCR. Does anyone know whether her facility (and those like it) were used by married couples, or mostly for unmarried mothers?
My interest is in a boy born there in 1936, but baptised a few weeks later with a father's and mother's name, as well as a location (Drumshambo). I am not sure whether to trust this information or not.
His birth was registered years later (in 1951) with the same father's and mother's names. Rose Farrell was the informant then.
I think at this stage he was not formally adopted but "handed on" somehow (maybe family connections).
Hard to know which thread or clues to follow.
-
@gerryk, from earlier posts it seems the services were used by both. Births had to be notified to the local registrar by the hospital or private midwife and there was a lot of wrong information but fifteen years late is a long time before registering the birth. was the baptism in a different place? If the parents details on the birth and baptism certs are the same did you check for a marriage cert?
-
Thanks LC. Yes, the details on both baptism and birth registration are the same, but not surprising, since the informant in both cases was Rose Farrell, albeit 16 years apart. And I have checked all the sites and information sources for a marriage cert and I can't find any. That is what leads me to believe that all the details were fabricated to hide the identity of the child.
I am now trying to trace the family history of the family that took him in, to see if there is any connection at all there.
Thanks for your input.
Gerry
-
My paperwork is from Nurse Farrell and she informed the authorities I was born in Nurse Gallagher home. All complete lies. I have done a DNA test and made contact with my birth fathers great nephew. Looks like I was born in Cork not Dublin. I was born in April not August as stated. I was driven from cork as a baby to be fostered out by Nurse Farrell.
Do not beleive any type of information you get from either Nurse Farrell or Nurse Gallagher. They lied through their teeth to keep babies identity a secret. I advise anyone looking to do a DNA test.
-
Persian, that's great progress in your search :) but what a web of lies you uncovered, it's hard to believe how so much was hidden and by those in authority. It is a scandal that basic information is still blocked from people.
It looks like the dna test may be the only way to go for a lot of people as the paper records are not reliable.
Do you mind sharing which company you tested with (or send pm if that's against forum rules).
-
No problem I used Ancestry they have the biggest data base. You can also upload the test results from them to FTDNA and My Heritage.
I think for those with no or little paperwork it’s the only way to go.
-
gerryk, my partner's grandparents married in their local church in the 1920's but there was no record of their cert online or at the registrars office. It turned out the church made some mistake & didn't send on the details. It only came to light when an uncle's name was being added to the house deeds in the 1980's. So the marriage was only registered in the 1980's.
i heard another case from the 1970's - a couple divorcing about 10 years ago & they found their marriage was not registered. They had to go back to the church to get it sorted.
Almost everything went through the local parish years ago, would the actual parish or cemetery records have any information for the couple you are researching? Maybe that's a long shot though 😕
-
Hi All, my situation is I was born in 24 Ormond Road Drumcondra Dublin 3 in 1951 and was given out to foster parents from 540 North Circular Road at two weeks old approx. On my birth certificate my father and mother are stated as being married, but I have not been able to trace a marriage cert.I traced my father to his home in Killarney( although his christian name is not the same on my birth cert but the surname is) through DNA. I am hoping for some help from his family, as it looks like we do not have the same mother. At this stage I am trying to get some information on my mother.
Has anyone any idea on this site where the files are for 24 Ormond Road or 540 N C Rd?
Thank you in advance
-
Hi. I researched Rose Farrell’s family for records and I think there are no files kept for 540 NCR. It was a private home. I don’t think they were obliged to keep records back then.
Like you, I found that DNA was the only route that worked. I’m surprised that even your father’s surname was on the cert. In the case I was examining ( from 1936) all the information was completely falsified.
Regards
And good luck
Gerry
-
Thanks for your response Gerry, yes I know I have a lot of information to go on. So annoying though that these files could just be discarded. We are entitled to know who we are. Birth and baptismal official documents were, as you say falsified, love to know who was responsible for that.
Thanks again
Tony3
-
I just came across a petition to give rights of identity to Irish adoptees. It's on https://my.uplift.ie/petitions/give-identity-rights-to-adoptees-in-ireland//
I am not connected to the website or the originators of the campaign in any way. the petition may be of interest to some posters on this forum.
also interesting tweets by Claire mcgettrick who campaigns for adoptee rights in ireland, https://mobile.twitter.com/cmcgettrick/status/1079409230178848768,
-
Deleted
-
24 Ormond Road Drumcondra Dublin 3 in 1951 and was given out to foster parents from 540 North Circular Road. My mother had her son at the same place. They were both sent to 540 North Circular Road as well! They stayed for 1 month and then he was given up for adoption. He was born in July 17, 1952.
-
107 Marlborough road is on my mums birth certificate with the name violet Rooney
Can anyone help with any info on this please
Many thanks
-
107 Marlborough road is on my mums birth certificate with the name violet Rooney
Can anyone help with any info on this please
Many thanks
Welcome to RootsChat
I can't see anything in the Newspapers to indicate it was anything other than an ordinary house. A Stuart B Rooney aged 72 died there in 1956, I can't immediately see his death cert but there is a Stuart Bertram Campbell Rooney, Engraver in the 1911 Census who goes on to marry Violet Mabel Carter in 1914. Their son got an OBE from Queen Elizabeth in 1966. Violet M Rooney appears to have died by 1980 she is named on a list of Estates in the newspaper with an address of Marlborough Road.
Added: Will Calendar gives her address as 107 Marlborough Road and date of death as 18 March 1980. Death notice confirms she was the widow of Stuart B Rooney. Buried in Mount Jerome.
-
I’m assuming that violet Rooney was a friend of my grandmother her name was violet ethel o’rourke
My mother’s fathers name is not on her birth certificate and we have no info on him
My mother said that she thinks they stayed in an home for unmarried mothers and it was called the jinky, have info on that either
-
Mrs R (Redacted), address 107 Marlborough Rd.
This is in the list of Institutions, Agencies & Individuals compiled by adoption rights during the mother & baby homes investigation. So it may have been a private nursing /maternity home.
-
Hello all. My interest in this thread has been re-activated by the recent report on Mother and Baby Homes. While that report was about public homes, there were others, as we know.
It seems to us that there was a network of private homes, for those who could pay. Through this thread, we certainly know of three in Dublin alone. These were separate from the State system. Despite the legal requirement to register births etc... many details given in and by these homes after birth were false.
The one that interested us was Rose Farrell's at 340 North Circular Road.
Our story:
Through Ancestry DNA, we were able to trace the life of a baby boy born there in 1936. He was baptized shortly after birth in the Pro-Cathedral, and the informant was the same Rose Farrell. Every single detail given to the church was false - child's name, parent's names (they were stated to be married - even the "wife's" maiden name was given), occupation, place of origin. There was no clue whatsoever in the information that was given about who the child really was.
In fact, the boy, and his descendants now bear the surname given to him falsely by Rose Farrell. His birth was only registered in the State many years later, in 1951 ("on the direction of the Registrar General"). We are not sure what prompted this late registration. But, it does seem to indicate that abiding by the law was not high on the agenda of the home.
After birth, he was given/fostered/ sent to a private house not far from the North Circular Road. There were other similar children in that house, so this may have been a regular occurrence. No records exist for any monetary transactions. We have no idea what the arrangement with the householder was.
When he was aged 8, the child was sentenced for the crime of "receiving alms", and sent to Artane Industrial School for seven years. On admittance his physique was described as "below average". He had two decayed teeth, enlarged tonsils and adenoids. He was "physically very poor", with a scar on his back, and had had a broken arm.
(We have learned since that the advantage of children being sentenced in the courts was that the State was now financially liable for the boy.)
Upon release, he returned to the house from which he came, where he was monitored for a number of years (possibly a type of probation). While there, he went to Rose Farrell's home to find out information about his birth and his family, but he was turned away.
Later he went to England, married, had a family, lived happily, and died early this century not knowing anything about his background.
We have since found out, through DNA matching, who his father was. We are still not sure about his mother.
All of Rose Farrell's records have disappeared.
Given this story, we have no confidence that those records exist at all anymore, or that they were given to the HSE or any State body. These homes were for those who could pay. It was a private arrangement. So, there was probably an additional layer of "discretion" or secrecy available that would have not been possible in a State-run system. At least in State homes, the original details of the confinement would have needed to be accurate. The question now is whether they have been made available.
We would love to be proved wrong about the private homes. Maybe Rose Farrell's descendants kept the records, and might now release them. However, this is unlikely.
-
Information about new legislation for people adopted in ireland...
https://www.gov.ie/en/press-release/14c5c-minister-ogorman-publishes-proposed-birth-information-and-tracing-legislation/
Commission invites submissions from interested individuals/groups...
https://www.oireachtas.ie/en/committees/making-a-submission/public-consultations/20210513-committee-on-children-equality-disability-integration-and-youth-invites-submissions-on-the-general-scheme-of-the-birth-information-and-tracing-bill-2021/#
-
It cost 70 pounds to attend 78 Lwr. Drumcondra Road to have your baby in 1948.
-
Hi Annette,
I am looking for the correct topic to attach your reply too :)
Regards
Sarah
-
I think that I have the correct topic.
;)
-
It cost 70 pounds to attend 78 Lwr. Drumcondra Road to have your baby in 1948.
Very interesting information Annette for anyone researching private nursing homes. That was a lot of money in those days as the average industrial wage for males in 1948 was approx Ir£4.4s.0d according to the statistics and about half that for females - that £70 would have been about 15 or 16 weeks wages :'( :'(
Anybody know if there was a similar charge in the maternity hospitals? Maybe that's why a lot of babies were born at home in those days.
That £4.4shillings was probably for a 40 or 45 hour week - approx 6 or 7 Euro today.
-
Hi, I am new to this thread having only just come upon it;
My Mum has been trying to search for her birth mother. After her 'parents' had passed away and she looked for a birth cert to get a passport her Aunt then told her she was 'fostered/boarded out' and her birth surname was different. She managed to get her birth cert which showed she was born to Mary Cullen in the Rotunda hospital on December 30th, 1939, the address given for Mary Cullen was 540 NCR. She also managed to get a baptismal cert for the pro-cathedral on 3rd January 1940 with the sponsor name Brigid Cosgrave.
she has written to the HSE, TUSLA, etc, but was directed to contact the Rotunda through FOI. They confirmed that the 1939 Hospital Labour Ward Book showed a Mary Cullen gave birth on 30th NOVEMBER 1939.. a different date. But they refused to provide Mary Cullen's DOB, so the trail ends here. Any advice is welcome, it is awful to keep hitting brick walls.
-
540 NCR was one of those homes women (usually single) went to to give birth.
There have been threads on it before, such as :
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=781882.0 (https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=781882.0)
-
Hi
Just letting you know 78 Lower Drumcondra Road for sale - (October 2023). Follow the link below for more information:
https://www.sherryfitz.ie/buy/house/dublin/drumcondra/78-lower-drumcondra-road