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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Wicklow => Topic started by: powerwicklow on Sunday 04 September 11 23:30 BST (UK)
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The following is what I have found out so far about John and Mary Farrar of Coolroe and are part of a larger Webster family I am researching
John and Mary Farrar (nee Webster) were married the 11/4/1888 at Wicklow Parish Church. On the marriage cert John was a farmer from Coolroe, Crosspatrick Wicklow the son of Joshua Farrar. He was a widower. A note in the baptismal register of Crosspatrick Church on the baptism of his first child with Mary states that she (Mary) was his third wife.. Mary Webster was from Blainroe Wicklow the daughter of Isaac Webster. She was single at the time of marriage. Witnesses to the wedding were Henry Webster and ??? Griffin.
Mary Webster was one of ten siblings and was born the 6/12/1853 at Blainroe Wicklow the daughter of Isaac and Mary (nee Collier) Webster.
The baptismal register for Crosspatrick Church gives three children for John and Mary Farrar Coolroe. Joshua born the 7/2/1889. John born the 11/4/1890 and Susan born the 18/5/1891.
The 1901 Census has the family at Coolroe with one more addition Mary aged 6 at the time. In this Census there are three more daughters, Francis (23), Margaret (19) and Sarah (17) mentioned. I have to presume these are from an earlier marriage.
The 1911 Census has the family still at Coolroe with John and Mary still alive. They are 22 years married, Mary having given birth to eleven children with six still alive. Maggie, Joshua, John and Mary are also present. Susan I have found in the 1911 Census with an Aunt Margaret (nee Roberts) Edge in Knockafadda which is in Roundwood.
John
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http://www.seanreidsociety.org/SRSJ3/3.09/George%20Farrar.pdf
http://www.igp-web.com/Wickow/pdfs/census/fitzwilliamClearances_A-J.pdf
SURNAME: Id: Year Listed: Reference Number:
Gosling 497 1849 13
Townland (EB) Coolroe
Townland (Off’l) Coolroe
Parish: Crosspatrick
Ship Name:
Departure:
Arrival:
Group Members: John 41, Margaret 40, Mary 20, Henry 18, Thomas 15, Sarah
11, Isaac 8, Jane 5, Richard 3 mths.
Holding: Tenant to Isaac, his father, who has part of John Farrar's
holding.3 roods to be given up to Mr Challoner.
Other Info: Chest/Graves in side column.
You might have these items already, not sure how relevant they may be to you as you don't mention what info you would need,- but putting it here just in case.
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Hello Pastmagic.
Many thanks for the information posted. I had come across the two web sites but not the info on emmigration. I should have been more specific in what I am looking for. I am looking to come forward from the marriage of John Farrar to Mary Webster. I descend from a Henry and Elizabeth Webster of Blainroe Wicklow who would have been Mary Websters grand parents. I have gathered quite abit of information on this Webster family but as for the marriage of Mary to John Farrar what I have posted is all that I know of them so far. I said I would run them as a seperate thread rarther than involve them in the bigger family and someone with an interest would come acoss them easier.
John.
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Any idea who the first wife was...perhaps a Hannah????
I "think" the second wife was an Elizabeth Gilbert.
I am not researching Farrar but have gathered a bit of data. Feel free to ak about stuff.
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Hi Ross.
In your research have you anything as to the family of John and Mary ( Nee Webster) Farrar.
John.
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Hi,
If you go to the original posting in this thread you will find the 4 children of John Farrar and Mary Webster.
The earlier marriage to Eliza Gilbert produced Frances 1877, Anne 1878-1887, Eliza 1879, Maggie, 1881, Sarah 1883, and Martha 1885 to 1886.
i think the first marriage wa to a Hannah and they baptised a achild Mary in 1875. She died in 1885.
Thus, it was John, not Mary Webster, who had 11 children as per the 1911 Census. The six alive would be their children Joshua, John, and Mary, Susan having died befoe 1901 I guess, plus Frances, Maggie and Sarah from the 2nd marriage.
Good luck.
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Hi Ross.
Thanks for getting back to me. This part of my tree I haven't done anything on in awhile as I was not making much headway. I had figured from looking at the ages in the census the children must have been from more than one marriage. I visited the locality a while back and spoke with a descendant of Mary Webster's sister who thought from what she had been told that many of the people that I would be interested in had emigrated. She was to find out more and I have yet to get back to her.
John
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Help me out. If John Farrar married Mary Webster as a 3rd wife, and if the 2nd wife was Elizabeth Gilbert...and if John's daughter Susan had an Aunt Margaret (nee Roberts) Edge, then the first wife had to be either an Edge or a rOberts...am I right?
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FTR
FARRAR family
1901 census (http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai001321902/)
1911 census (http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai003660768/)
1911 Census Susan FARRAR a visitor with Margaret EDGE (http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Wicklow/Newcastle_Upper/Knockfadda/897043/)
There is nothing to indiciate here that they are aunt and niece
John FARRAR m1 Hannah APPLEBY Mar 26 1874 LINK (http://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/details-civil/db6f6a10049221)
Hannah FARRAR died Q1 1875 LINK (http://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/details-civil/3e433815606148); Hannah may have died in childbirth
1. Mary FARRAR b. Jan 19 1875 LINK (http://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/details-civil/0a8eda11960932) is possible record of birth of this daughter; d. 1885 LINK (http://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/details-civil/2a507a4388510)
John FARRAR m2 Eliza GILBERT May 11 1876 LINK (http://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/details-civil/c386af10421486)
Births of children: LINK to all FARRAR records 1876-1885 (http://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/civil-perform-search.jsp?namefm=&namel=FARRAR&exact=&name2fm=&name2l=&location=&yyfrom=1876&yyto=1885¢ury=&decade=&sort=&pageSize=100&ddBfrom=&mmBfrom=&yyBfrom=&ddMfrom=&mmMfrom=&yyMfrom=&ddDfrom=&mmDfrom=&yyDfrom=&ddPfrom=&mmPfrom=&yyPfrom=&ddBto=&mmBto=&yyBto=&ddMto=&mmMto=&yyMto=&ddDto=&mmDto=&yyDto=&ddPto=&mmPto=&yyPto=&locationB=&locationM=&locationD=&locationP=&keywordb=&keywordm=&keywordd=&keywordp=&event=&district=Shillelagh&submit=Search)
2. Frances b. 1877 m James KEARNEY Jan 05 1909**
3. Anne b. May 19 1878 d. 1887 LINK (http://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/details-civil/7cf2c912417257)
4. Eliza b. Jun 22 1879 d. 1885 LINK (http://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/civil-perform-search.jsp?namefm=eliza&namel=FARRAR&location=&yyfrom=1885&yyto=1888&submit=Search&sort=&pageSize=100¢ury=&decade=&exact=&ddBfrom=&ddMfrom=&ddDfrom=&ddPfrom=&mmBfrom=&mmMfrom=&mmDfrom=&mmPfrom=&yyBfrom=&yyMfrom=&yyDfrom=&yyPfrom=&ddBto=&ddMto=&ddDto=&ddPto=&mmBto=&mmMto=&mmDto=&mmPto=&yyBto=&yyMto=&yyDto=&yyPto=&locationB=&locationM=&locationD=&locationP=&keywordb=&keywordm=&keywordd=&keywordp=&event=&district=Shillelagh)
5. Margaret b. Apr 15 1881 d. 1946 possibly LINK (http://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/details-civil/b516337986733)
6. Sarah b. Apr 03 1883 d. 1905 possibly LINK (http://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/details-civil/eec77e13058919)
7. Martha b. May 28 1885 d. 1886 LINK (http://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/details-civil/25308c13214841)
John FARRAR m3 Mary WEBSTER Apr 11 1888
Births of children: LINK to all FARRAR records 1888 to 1900 (http://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/civil-perform-search.jsp?namefm=&namel=farrar&exact=&name2fm=&name2l=&location=&yyfrom=1889&yyto=1900¢ury=&decade=&sort=&pageSize=100&ddBfrom=&mmBfrom=&yyBfrom=&ddMfrom=&mmMfrom=&yyMfrom=&ddDfrom=&mmDfrom=&yyDfrom=&ddPfrom=&mmPfrom=&yyPfrom=&ddBto=&mmBto=&yyBto=&ddMto=&mmMto=&yyMto=&ddDto=&mmDto=&yyDto=&ddPto=&mmPto=&yyPto=&locationB=&locationM=&locationD=&locationP=&keywordb=&keywordm=&keywordd=&keywordp=&event=&district=Shillelagh&submit=Search)
8. Joshua b. Feb 07 1889 d. 1960 possibly LINK (http://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/details-civil/8e9bdb7483589)
9. John b. Apr 11 1890
10. Susan b. May 18 1891 possibly married John McCLURE 1920 LINK (http://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/details-civil/14e4236442577)
11. Mary b. c1895
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James and Frances KEARNEY on 1911 census (http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Dublin/Blackrock_No__1/Rock_Road__Part_of/88744/)
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Hi.
From my own research and through family information I would know that Margaret Edge in the 1911 census , widow , was the wife of Jeremiah Edge. Margaret prior to marriage was Margaret Robert's ( 1858-1935 ) daughter of Joshua and Sarah ( Nee Webster ) Roberts of Corsilla, Newtownmountkennedy, Co Wicklow. Mary Webster who married John Farrar was the daughter of Isaac and Mary ( Nee Collier ) Webster of Blainroe Wicklow. Isaac Webster and Sarah Webster who married Joshua Roberts were brother and sister. They were siblings to my GGG grandmother Margaret Webster who married George Smith of Scratenagh, Arklow.
In the 1911 census Susan would have been at Knockafadda with her mothers first cousin and not her aunt.
John
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Very interesting
I've no FARRAR connection but Frances Kearney nee Farrar lived on Rock Road in 1911 where, Philip Kearney, a relative of my OH's lived. I had considered James Kearney as having a connection at one time but ruled him out.
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I had a look at James and Frances Kearney in the 1911 Census on Rock Rd. Going back to the 1901 Census , even though there is a small age difference a likely James Kearney showing up in Wicklow is a James Kearney at Coolroe Co Wicklow, son of a William and Margaret Kearney. If this is the case I would have a brother of James, a Henry Kearney married to a Sarah Jane Griffin. Sarah Jane Griffin was the daughter Samuel Griffin and a Margaret Webster. Margaret Webster would have been a sister to Mary Webster who married John Farrar.
John
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Comments about Farrar caught my eye.
My ancestors are Martha Farrar and John Lawrence, who moved to Canada in 1848.
Following are some notes from my personal family tree:
"Relocated to Canada by Lord Fitzwilliam of Ireland in an assisted emigration program to reduce the number of tenants on his massive estate. The reduction of tenants was partly due to too many people living on the estate and mainly due to hardships caused by the potato famine of the 1840's. Lord Fitzwilliam paid for his tenants to relocate to Ontario during the years 1847 - 1855. Many came to Durham area because there were already Irish people in the area.
John and Martha were some of the first farmers in the Durham area.
Their property was 100 acres on lot 1, concession 2, near Durham.
John and Martha's children: Anthony?; Anna (c.1827); Thomas (c1829); Samuel (c1831); John (c1833); William (1836); James (c.1838); Henry (c1842); Martha (c1844).
The surname Lawrence is not Irish.
The Lawrence name in England, dates to very ancient times (prior to 1066) in Lancashire.
They would have been relocated from England to either farm the estates or be a slave labourer.
Some sources say they came as archers with Cromwell, in about 1640.
It is thought John Lawrence "owned" some property, so I assume he was some sort of farm supervisor on the Coollatin Estate, owned by Earl Fitzwilliam.
One record says The Lawrences were "senior Tenants" or some sort of supervising agents for that part of the estate (Around Sandyford at Moyne).
"In 1827, John Lawrence, age 35 had 45 acres at Slieveroe, near Moyne. With him was his wife age 24 (Martha?), a son (Probably Anthony?) and a daughter (porbably Anne?). The property was formerly held by Keegan. Mary Keegan was still on 1/2 acre of this land.
Also at Slieveroe on 46 acres was Anthony Lawrence, age 60, who was possibly John's father, after whom john's first son Anthony would have been named.
In 1839, John age 46, wife age 36, with 5 boys and 1 girl.
In 1848 the 45 acres is still held by Lawrences, but John and family are no longer there.
Some 300 years earlier, Lawrences owned a castle in Ireland, obtained through marriage and lost due to political changes in England. The castle was built in 1585 by John Lawrence on land he aquired through marriage to the daughter of O'Madden, Lord of Longford. John Lawrence jr. was dispossed of by Oliver Cromwell in 1641.
It is not known if the castle has any connection to the Canadian Lawrence's. However, it is interesting there are castles in our family names.
The name Farrar is not Irish.
They would have been relocated from England to farm the estates or to be a slave labourer.
A record on RootsIreland has a John Lawrence marrying Martha Farrar on December 5, 1826 in Parish Kilcommon, County Wicklow. This may have been Martha's home parish.
Witnesses are William Farrar and Samuel Farrar."
I am open to comments on the accuracy of my notes and also interested in any documentation that may be available to substantiate my notes.
Thanks for your interest,
Dave
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Hello,
Just a couple of notes that I hope you find useful.
John Farra's 2nd wife was Eliza Gilbert and Frances, Margaret, and Sarah were her children.
The 11 children mentioned on the 1911 Census were all children of John, by the 3 different wives.
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Hi Ross:
Thanks for your reply.
I read thru the posts on this topic and my first thought is the families discussed do not seem to directly fit my relatives.
John Lawrence married Martha Farrar in Ireland, 05 December 1826.
John Lawrence was born 1785.
Martha Farrar was born 25 March 1800
They moved to Canada in 1848.
Do you think Martha Farrar fits with the Farrar's discussed in these postings?
Any comments on the content of my first posting?
Your interest is appreciated.
Dave
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Hi,
I stumbled across the first marriage of John Farrar of Coolroe...source "Irisgenealogy, Civil Records"
John Farrar of Coolroe, son of Joshua Farrar married Hannah Appleby of Ballinaclash, daughter of Thomas Appleby March 26 1874.
Their daughter Mary, was born Jan 16,1875 and died Sept 24,1885
Hope this fills in a blank for you.