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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Cornwall => Topic started by: bramble9 on Tuesday 06 September 11 09:08 BST (UK)
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I've just found my ancestors Nicholas and William Phillips in the 1861 census, living with their aunt and uncle Peter Baragonith and his wife Nancy in St Ives (all born St Ives, and Peter and Nancy are 52 and 57 respectively).
I am keen to work out how Peter and Nancy are related to the Phillips', but have been unable to find any trace of them in 1851 or the marriage records. Can anyone help?
A huge thank you in advance :)
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In 1851 their name is spelled as Baragwanath:
Reference HO107, Piece 1917, Folio 520, Page 43
Back Street, St Ives
Baragwanath, Peter Head M 45 Miner
Baragwanath, Nancy Wife F 47
Baragwanath, Benjamin Son M 20
Baragwanath, Peter Son M 14
Baragwanath, Elizabeth Daughter F 10
Baragwanath, Cath Daughter F 2 All born St Ives
Cornwall-OPC-Database (.org) has this marriage:
17th August 1828 @ St Ives by Banns
Peter Baragwanath, bachelor, of this parish to
Ann Sisley, Spinster, of this parish
Witnesses: John Sisley, Thomas Williams
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Thank you so much! Is there any chance you could find them in 1841, too? I want a definite spelling of their name if poss although with a name like that might be tricky to find :/
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There's no such thing as a definite spelling in the mid-1800's!
Most of the population were hardly literate, and the spelling depended more on what whoever was writing it down was hearing.
For the marriage I quoted, for example, both bride & groom made their mark - they did not sign their names! ;D
But 1841 census, reference HO107, 144, 5/31, 1
Sydal's Court, St Ives
Baragwanath, Peter M 30 Copper Miner
Baragwanath, Nancy F 30
Baragwanath, Nancy F 12
Baragwanath, Benjamin M 10
Baragwanath, Peter M 5 all born in county
Remember that, in 1841, ages above 15 were rounded down to a multiple of 5 years.
So Peter & Nancy could have been any age from 30 to 34!
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You really should take a look at www <dot> cornwall-opc-database <dot> org!
I did a quick search and found 84 baptisms of Baragwanath between 1700 and 1840!
Plus another 6 non-conformist baptisms.
And 54 marriages!! ;D
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Oh wow, thanks for that! Have never heard of that site before so will have a look :) !
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have just looked - can't see a marriage for a Peter and Nancy :(
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Try searching for Baragwanath! ;D
It's that spelling thing again!
Groom Bride Witness 1 Witness 2
Year Parish Or Reg District Forename Surname Forename Surname Forename Surname Forename Surname
1828 Ives, St. Peter BARAGWANATH Ann SISLEY John SISLEY Thomas WILLIAMS
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Ah! Didn't spot that one before!
Surely that must be the right one - half of the offspring from the Phillips family had Sisley as a middle name! Perhaps she's a sister of the Phillips' brother's mother? ???
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Another marriage for you!
9th March 1833 - St Ives, by Banns
Joseph Phillips, bachelor, otp to
Sibella Sisley, Spinster, otp
Both made their mark
Witnesses:
Nancy Baragwanath (Does that sound familiar?!?! ;D)
Thomas Williams
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Perfect - thank you!
Don't suppose you fancy helping me find Joseph snr.'s dad? Or the parents of Nancy/Ann and Sibella? :D
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Baptism, 9th May 1804, St Ives
Nancy Sisley
Daughter of John and Sibella
Other baptisms to parents John & Sibella:
1792 John
1794 Elisabeth
1796 John
1798 Mary
1802 William
And a very interesting baptism:
1825, to Hugh and Mary Sisley
Sinai Baragwanath Sisley
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Oh, my head is spinning! Who are Hugh and Mary Sisley? I need to draw up a rough family tree to try and make sense of things :)
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Sorry! I have no idea ;D ;D
Just saw the baptism, and as it's another link between Sisley/Braganwath, thoughht I'd let you know!
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Thank you! Surely they must be connected somehow...? I'd hope so at least, otherwise I am going to get very stuck, haha.
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I wonder whether I might be descended from the same Baragwanath ancestors.My gt.gt.grandmother was Zenobia Sisley who married her cousin Thomas Bennetts Berriman(1822--1889).She was born 1825.As Zenobia is sometimes spelt Sinobia could she have been the ancestor you have found?Mary Baragwanath (1792--1847) married Hugh Sisley (1797--1864) and her sister Zenobia married Mathew Berriman.Both the sisters were descended from the Baragwanath family of Towednack,near St.Ives who if Family Search are to be believed have been traced back to John Baragwanath(1590--1660)
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Dear John,
One of my Phillips ancestors (b. 1878) had a daughter named Ellen Berriman Phillips... Sisley is a very prevalent middle-name amongst my Phillips. I'm sure they must be linked somehow! :)
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I believe Zenobia / Synobia STEVENS who married Richard BARAGWANATH in Dec 1729 was the Great Grandmother of the Peter BARAGWANATH who married Nancy / Ann SISLEY in Aug 1828.
Nancy / Ann SISLEY was an older sister of SIBELLA who married Joseph PHILLIPS in Mar 1833.
Nancy and Sibella's parents were John SISLEY and SIBELLA CARE. (All spellings vary).
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Thank you for clarifying - it all gets so tricky! :)