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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Herefordshire => Topic started by: DeComyn on Thursday 05 May 05 14:37 BST (UK)
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In 1901 there was a pub, The Prince Of Wales at 54 Eign street, Hereford. Is anyone able to tell me whether the building would be still in Eign st as I am aware from some research that some of the road has been renamed Eign Gate.
Amy (pic on the left) used to work there with her aunt and uncle and it would be great to have some idea about the building. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Francesca
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I have the 1930/31 Kellys Directory for Hereford. In Eign Street there are the following pubs:
South side- From Broad Street to White Cross Road (numbers 1-40
No. 13 The Barrel Inn
Between 29 & 30 Red Lion Hotel (corner of Victoria Street)
North Side (numbers 41-89
No. 50 Horse & Groom P.H.
Between 61 & 62 Victoria Hotel (corner of Edgar Street)
No. 72 Three Crowns P.H.
No sign of the Prince of Wales
Number 54 was J Hill 7 Son, Furniture Dealers
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Thankyou very much for looking, that is really helpful. I know who was running it in 1901, but his wife died young in 1904, leaving him with at least one child to bring up and II always wonder if he left the pub or not and what happened to him, so it's helpful to know that by 1930 it had already gone -that really narrows things down for me.
Thanks
Francesca
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Maybe it's a bit late for a reply but if you're still interested you should look at the book "The Pubs of Hereford City" by Ron Shoesmith and John Eisel, 3rd edition published 2004 by Logaston Press.
This has a lot about the Prince of Wales in it, including a picture of the building as it is now(still the same one except it has been extended at the front).
It says it closed as a pub in 1914.
alastairgm
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Thanks very much for that, it's not too late as I still have no further info and a book would be ideal to look at as getting about to record offices/libraries etc is not possible at the moment as I have just had my third child!!
- sorry I didn't reply earlier but I did not realise I had a reply, must have gone in the spam box by mistake!
Francesca :)
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Hello Francesca,
Congratulations on No. 3! :D.
I also have a family interest in the Prince of Wales pub. My great-grandmother's brother John Graty was the Licensee there from 1864 until his death in 1875 followed by his wife Elizabeth until her death in 1884 and then their son William Thomas Graty until 11th. May 1891, when he gave it up and became a Brewer.
Minutes of the General Annual Licensing meeting in Hereford Record Office show that the next Licensee after him was a Rowland Smith. Hope this helps.
Looking at the photo in the book again I see that it was the building next door, another pub, which had the extension built on the front, not the P-o-W.
Regards, Alastair.
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Hello Alastair
It's really fascinating that we both have family who ran the pub. I presume my Wrights came after Rowland Smith as he was still a printer in 1891, although he kept that going later too. I didn't know about the Minutes for the general Annual Licensing meeting, so that's something I will be able to look at when I can get to the record office.
Mind you, in 1901, it has him as printe, compositer and publican, living at the Prince of Wales, it doesn't neccessarily mean that he was the licensee I suppose, that's not something I'd thought of before. From what I can gather he ran stables at the pub too - I do know in 1905 he was only listed as running the stables. You have got me thinking now!! It gets more interesting!! Thanks a lot ;D
Regards
Francesca
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Hello Francesca,
Have you considered the possibility that the husband continued to work at his printer/compositer trade while his wife ran the pub, even though he was nominally the Licensee. I know of several similar such instances in my own Graty family. This could be a reason why, if his wife died in 1904, he gave up the pub in 1905.
As regards the stabling I have looked at the 1881 and 1891 Censuses and it would seem that the stables were in the yard behind the pub. Perhaps the Widower felt he could continue running these as a separate business, especially if he was employing an Ostler to do the actual work.
Just a couple of suggestions.
Regards, Alastair
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Good point Alastair! It's been nagging at me as when his wife died they had a very good funeral for her with horse drawn carriages, as a member of one branch of the family's grandmother remembered the event, so they must have had some money. His wife died of alcoholism, which I suppose was due to having all that alcohol around - she could well have been running the pub then. I will really need to trace his family to find this out, which I intend to do!!
Thanks for the suggestions, they are most welcome
regards
Francesca
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Hi Francesca,
As I was in Hereford yesterday went to look at the former P-o-W building. It is still in Eign Street but has been renumbered since the C19th, probably when the Inner Relief Road was built in the 1970's, but starting from the other (City) end. It is now two premises nos. 126 and 128. One looks as though it is being used for storage and the other is empty and To Let.
It is a large building, much larger than it looks in the photo in the book, and with the yard (former stables?) behind covers a substantial area, but all looking very delapidated. It is not an attractive looking building.
Regards, Alastair.
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Thanks for that Alastair
Iwent to Hereford a couple of years ago now to try to find some addresses, but didn't really know what I was looking for with regards to the pub as I had no idea what it looked like and the numbers didn't match. It's a real shame that the building is in such a mess, but I suppose at least there is something there, as all the family's houses must have gone in the 60s or 70s. Next time I get a chance to go, I can go and have a look, and at least my hopes won't be too high!!!
Thanks very much for the information,
regards,
Francesca
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Hi Francesca,
I know it's a while since your last post but I also have an interest in the Wright family at the P o W pub. Are you able to confirm who Edward's mother was? There was a Mary Ann Addis who was adopted by Edwards parents. My connection is via her and also possibly Edward's mother Elizabeth. Just wondered if you had any information you would be willing to share?
Many thanks
Claire
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Hi Claire
Sorry for the late reply. I have Edward's mother as an Elizabeth from census records, but I am connected via Julia Morgan, his wife, unfortunately I don't know very much about him. I suppose you already have all the census records?
My great-grandmother Amy Bowen ( Julia and Edward's neice), seems to have been with Edward and Julia in both 1901 and 1891, so that was a little bit of a puzzlement as to why. I don't suppose you have any information there?
I did think I recognised the name Mary Ann Addis but have been through all my stuff - twice -and my mom's and cannot find her, so I must have been mistaken - I 'd had a feeling her name was on a cert. as a witness.
I have found military records for Edward and Julia's son and know a little about things such as details of Julia's funeral from a relative I've found.
I'm not sure I can be of much help, but if it sounds like I have anything useful for you, let me know, and should I come across things in the future, I can do the same.
Francesca
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Hi Francesca,
Thank you for your reply. I have Julia Morgan as Edward's wife but not gone any further. I have not been able to find anything about Amy Bowen. Do you know anything about her other than the census records?
Mary Ann Addis was adopted and in 1871 was listed as "Mary Ann Addis Wright - 9 Months, born Hereford". She lived with the Wright family until at least 1891.
I believe Edward's mother was Elizabeth Prothero. If correct then Mary Ann Addis was a cousin for Elizabeth which explains why the Wright family adopted her. I was interested to know if you had found anything about Elizabeth.
Regards
Claire
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My grandfather's birth certificate dated 17/07/1904 shows his place of birth as 52 Eign St, Hereford. The occupation of his father, George Henry Morgan, is down as Innkeeper. For several years before this date the family were living in Woolwich and George was working as a stoker at the Royal Arsenal. I have never understood how he went from that job, to become an Innkeeper in Hereford. Do you think there is any chance George was related to Julia Morgan?