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On behalf of a neighbour, I am looking for her mother, a Mabel Higginson born 2/11/1896 Hayfield, Derbyshire. Her parents recorded on her death cert. in Australia were Edmund and Isabella. This is the only info she has. There is a marriage DEC Q1891 Hayfield of a Edmund Higinson(sic) and Isabella Page. This could be them? Can someone try and find the family on the census?
Thanks Shauna
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Did she Marry A Vincent Joseph Bouquet?
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Yes, in Australia
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There is a tree on ancestry with some of her details plus a photograph, and her marriage certificate to Vincent..also says she arrived in Australia in jan 1896, 10 months before she was born :) ..looking at freebmd it shows a Mabel Higginson born in Hayfield in the Dec Qtr 1895, According to this tree on Ancestry the parents are the same as you mentioned. I will look for them in the earlier Census, give me 10 minutes. :)
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Thanks woody I would appreciate that. Take your time as I have been called out for an hour or so.
Cheers
Shauna
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Edmund Higginson ch. 18/10/1868 Hathersage Derby
F Thomas m Mary
Edmund Higinson 1868 f Thomas
Isabella Page 1869 f Frederick
Married 27/12/1891 Glossop Derby
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I can only find one Edmund Higginson on the 1891 Census, he was born in stalybridge in 1870 and his parents where called Joseph and Ann, there was quite a few Isabella Page's but one stands out that could be her,
1891 Living in Hayfield Derbyshire
Frederick Harrison 41
Harriett Harrison 37
Ralph Keeling 23
Isabella Page age 22 b N.K. Sussex General Servant
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Ive found him on the 1871 wont be a min :)
Thomas Higginson 52
Mary Higginson 45
James Higginson 20
Joseph Higginson 14
Abel Higginson 11
Emily M Higginson 9
Ruth E Higginson 7
Alice Higginson 6
Isaac Higginson 4
Edmund Higginson 2
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1871 For Edmund Living in Hathersage Derbyshire
RG10 3632
Thomas Higginson 52 Ag Labourer all born Hathersage
Mary Higginson age 45
James Higginson age 20
Joseph Higginson age 14
Abel Higginson age 11
Emily M Higginson age 9
Ruth E Higginson age 7
Alice Higginson age 6
Isaac Higginson age 4
Edmund Higginson age 2
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Possible 1871 for Isabella (with Ladyhawks marriage details)
Living in Rolleston Nottinghamshire
RG10 3534
Frederic Page age 29 b kent Gamekeeper
Sarah Page age 29 b kent
Henry Page age 6 b Middlesex
Elizth Page age 3 b Middlesex
Isabella Page Age 2 b Middlesex
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Hello Woody
a possible death
Edmund Higginson
Registerd Oct-Nov-Dec 1931
Glossop Derbyshire
Age 63 brn abt 1868
Volume 7b
Page 877
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1881 for Isabella Living in Greasley Nottinghamshire
RG11 3321
Frederick Page age 57
Sarah Page age 54
Henry Page age 15
Edith Page age 14
Isabella Page age 12 b Barnet
Albert Page age 10
Frederick Page age 8
Maria Page age 6
Mary Page age 1
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Lo Shilo...Time for bed for me (been working nights), if you would like to carry on.
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will have another look after tea
night Woody have a good sleep :)
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not sure about that death there is a will to ???
Edmund Higginson
Probate 30 Oct 1931
Death 11 Oct 1931
died in Derbyshire, England
Registered Manchester
he leaves 452 pounds to a Keiza Higginson widow
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Hello Shauna
I'm no to sure about that death ???
I have to go and cook tea will have more of a look after
Jackie
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Mabel Higginson
Ch. 1/12/1895 Hayfield Derbyshire
parents F Edmand m Isabella
Obtaining the actual marriage certificate of Edmund & Isabella would confirm father's names & give you their occupations this would also confirm if the correct families have been found on censuses
Marriage entry (FreeBMD)
Dec. Qtr. 1891 Hayfield vol. 7b page 1538
Edmund Higinson
Isabella Page
As Edmund & Isabella married in Hayfield Derby this could be her on 1891c
1891 RG12; Piece: 2786; Folio 47
Bridge End Hayfield
Frederick Harrison 41 Head Fireman Calico Print Works
Harriett Harrison 37 wife
Ralph Keeling 23 boarder
Isabella Page 22 (1869) Sussex general servant
There is this marriage Frederick Page to Sarah but he's a policeman
Frederick Page bachelor Policeman f Peter Lab.
Married by banns both full age, signed & res. Jeffery’s St.
Married 20/4/1865 Old Church St. Pancras London
Sarah Harris spinster f Thomas watchmaker
Wit: James Roberts & Isabella Cyan?
there's this christening for Frederick Page father named Peter
Frederick Page (1843 - 1932)
Ch 18/11/1842 Goudhurst Kent
f. Peter (1803 - 1885) m. Elizabeth (1807) mmn ? possible Elliot
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Thankyou all for your help. I really appreciate it. It is all starting to connect.
We really need the 1901 census to confirm it all. I wonder if it is bad spelling hiding it or if there is a story somewhere? I will have to have a play and see when Mabel actually did come to Australia. I dont belong to Ancestry but it is interesting that Woody pointed out that others think she came in 1896. The only way she could have done this is if the family moved or at least Isabella.
Cheers
Shauna
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We really need the 1901 census to confirm it all.
I wonder if it is bad spelling hiding it or if there is a story somewhere?
I have checked UK 1901 census using various combinations but nothing for Edmund 1868, Isabella 1869 & Mabel 1895 ???
Perhaps if someone has access they could check 1901 census for Australia -
If you post a request on the Australia board copy & paste your derbyshire post so that people can see what information has been found so information is not duplicated :)
I will have to have a play and see when Mabel actually did come to Australia.
I dont belong to Ancestry but it is interesting that Woody pointed out that others think she came in 1896.
Sorry don’t have access to Passenger list but these are the dates on the public tree for Mabel Higginson – it could be any of these dates but possibly 1896 as they do not appear to be on UK 1901 census
Arrival Sydney NSW
2/1/1896
21/3/1908 age 11
31//10/1911 age 14
20/6/1912 age 15
4/3/1913 age 16
4/12/1913 age 17
27/7/1919 age 22
26/2/1920 age 23
19/5/1920 age 23
married 13/2/1937 Redfern NSW to Vincent Joseph Bouquet (amended)
died 29/10/1938 Sydney NSW
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Thanks Ladyhawk,
You are very kind to do all that work. It is obviously a mystery seeing there are so many arrival dates. Unfortunately there wasnt a 1901 census in Australia as far as I know but Iwill see what I can find out. I might even play around with the 1911 census. I think we have definately got Edmunds info correct. Isabella being a Page might be a little harder to confirm.
I am most grateful for your help
Have a good one
Shauna
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I've come across these two entries on 1901 census may not be related but thought it worth a look as some of the details similar
Edward instead of Edmund ??? No daughter Mabel with him ???
1901 RG13; Piece: 3278; Folio: 24; Page: 7
Church Street Hayfield
Edward Higginson 32 Hathersage Debyshire widow Lodger Carter of Stone
Head Albert E Bowden
If it is Edmund I can't place a death for wife Isabella ???
Then there's this entry for a Mabel Newton first name, place & year of birth match, a possibility if mother died ???
1901 RG13; Piece: 3278; Folio: 52; Page: 18
Market Street Hayfield
Alice D?/Gonna 52 Hayfield Widow
Samuel Penglove(Pursglove?) brother 54 marr.
Mabel Newton 1896 Hayfield child to nurse
See what you think
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hello All
I have just had a look at Mabel's wedding cert it states
that Isabel Page and Edmund Higginson are her parents they are both deceased and Edmund's occupation is engine driver
also had a look at the ship records
2/1/1896 her age 0 is recorded as Miss Higginson no parents mentioned
11/1/1901 her age 5 is recorded as Miss Higginson further up the page Mr Higgins very hard to read
21/3/1908 her age 11 is recorded as Mr and Mrs Higginson and 3 children 11, 9, 4 ship Ortona
31//10/1911 her age 14 is recorded as M Higginson female
20/6/1912 her age 15 is recorded as Mrs Higginson 2nd Saloon
4/3/1913 her age 16 is recorded as Mrs S Higginson
4/12/1913 her age 17 is recorded as Mrs H Higginson and Mr H Higginson
27/7/1919 her age 22 is recorded as Mrs M E Higginson &Mr W R Higginson melb to sydney
26/2/1920 her age 23 is recorded as M Higginson also a Ralph Higginson is listed
19/5/1920 her age 23 is recorded as Mrs M Higginson Wellington to Sydney ship Manuka
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Hello Ladyhawk
you have
" married 19/5/1920 Redfern NSW to Vincent Joseph Bouquet "
but the certificate has
Mabel Higginson married Vincent Joseph Bouquet
on the 13 feb 1937 Redfern, New South Wales
Rego Number 739
??? ??? :-\
Jackie
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there is a E Higginson on the UK, Railway Employment Records
E Higginson
Residence 5 Jan 1920
Station W'Hampton
he was working for the Great Western company
Number 264
Piece 266
occupation Labr not a engine Driver ???
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I thought I would add this summary in case it holds any clues
It is interesting Ladyhawk that you found a Mabel Newton and I still am not sure where it comes from however here is what I have found on the family. The info is from the IGI and free bmd’s which may or may not be correct.. Hickinson appears to be an alternate spelling also:
Thomas Higginson married Mary Hobson DecQ 1844 Bakewell dist.Thomas died aged 76 JunQ 1895 Bakewell. Mary died aged 67 MarQ 1893 Bakewell.
Children:1. Catherine/Katherine Higginson Ch 8/7/1845 Hatherage m John Marriot (1832-1879)
2. Mary Higginson-Newton c 1846 Hathersage
3. Alice Higginson c1847 Hathersage
4. James Higginson reg DecQ 1850 Bakewell dist
5. John Henry Hobson Higginson Reg Oct Q 1854 Bakewell
6. Joseph Higginson reg DecQ 1856 Bakewell
7. Abel Higginson ch 14/3/1860 Hathersage reg marQ1860 Bakewell
8. Emily Mary Higginson reg MarQ 1862 Bakewell
9. Ruth Esther Higginson reg MarQ 1862 Bakewell
10. Alice Higginson reg DecQ 1864 Bakewell
11. Isaac Newton Hickinson (another spelling) reg SeptQ 1866 Bakewell
12. Edmund Higginson ch 8/10/1868 Hathersage m Isabell Page
Child: Mabel Higginson bapt 1/12/1895 Hayfield
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Now this is an intersting find. Still doesnt tell me where the Newton is from
1881 in Hathersage village
Thomas Newton 62 Brough Farm Labourer
Mary Newton 54 Hathersage Hackle Pin Straightener
James Newton 30 Hathersage Steel Wire Drawer
John Henry Newton (wid) 26 Hathersage Blacksmith
Ruth E Newton 17 Hathersage Dom serv
Alice Newton 16 Hathersage Dom serv
Isaac Newton 14 Hathersage Wire worker
Edmund Newton 12 Hathersage Scholar
Wallace H Newton Grandson 3 m Hathersage
Francis Hobson visiter 49 Hathersage Tailor
NB: Abel Newton is a farm servant in Greenfoot, Derby
Joseph Higginson is a wire drawer in Bradford, Lancashire. He is married to Ann and has children Sarah and Alice
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And here is the answer from IGI:
Entry 1: Thomas Higginson bapt 14/3/1819 Hope- Mother Sarah Higginson.
Entry 2: Thomas Newton bapt 14/3/1819 Hope-
Father- John Newton-
Mother Sarah Higginson or Hickenson.
Marriage: Sarah Hickinson to John Newton 3/8/1819 Hope, Derby
At least that is one mystery solved.
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well done Shauna :)
it was a good find of Ladyhawk
if we could just find Edmund and Isabell on the 1891 and 1901 and even better on the 1911
we might be able to solve a bit more of this puzzle
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found a Ralph Higginson
possibly the one on passenger list
" 26/2/1920 M Higginson also a Ralph Higginson is listed "
Ralph B Higginson married Mary B Hague
in 1915 Woollahra, New South Wales
Reg No 6441
I guess can rule that one out :-\
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looks like Edmund used both Higginson and Newton
1891
RG12/ 2786 Folio 33 Page 6
Hayfield, Kinder, Derbyshire
County/Island:
Hannah M Bonnett 40
Mary A Bonnett 14
Thomas E Bonnett 10
Edmund Newton S 22 Servant, Agriculture Labor, Hathersage, Derbyshire
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It would make it easier if he didnt keep changing his name.
One more passenger list in the newspaper has a Mrs Higginson+3 daughters and a son on a French steamer "Australia" from Noumea to Sydney 17/3/1897. Was it Isabella?
It would be good if we could find out if Edmund and Isabella had any other children.
Isabella just seems to disappear.
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would it ever :)
have you had a look for them on the 1911 ?
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" married 19/5/1920 Redfern NSW to Vincent Joseph Bouquet "
but the certificate has
Mabel Higginson married Vincent Joseph Bouquet
on the 13 feb 1937 Redfern, New South Wales
Rego Number 739
My apologies for any confusion the correct marriage date is 13/2/1937 have amended my post ::) :)
Shilo you have been busy
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Hello Ladyhawk
no problems it was more for me thinking I had it wrong :)
well done on finding the newton mystery it has answered a lot of question but there is so many more to answer :'(
I think you may be right on the 1901 census that Edmund/ Edward is a widow but do you think I can find a death for Isabella
and as for the change of surnames uuuggggghhhhhh
thank goodness its Friday and nearly 5 o'clock drinks ::) lol
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It's only 6.30 am here just waking up!!!! You've been really busy yourself I will take another look later on today to see if I can find Isabella need to get some breakfast now :)
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Good-morning Ladyhawk and I hope you have a lovely breakfast :)
it is 3.30 pm here and yes I have been busy looking when I should have been doing house work but this mystery has got under my skin lol
please hurry back we need you expertise :)
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Im sooooooooooooo execited I think I will have a drink earlier it has to be 5 pm somewhere in the world
why because after looking for hour and hours I found it :'( lol
Isabella Higgenson born 1870 age age 26
was buried on the 28 Jan 1896 Hayfield, Derby, England
yippppppeeeee
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mmmmmmmmmm somethings not right here :-\
Mabel was born in November 1896
:'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'(
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ok this is one mysterious family
Mabel Higginson born 3 Nov 1895
and baptism/christening on the 1 Dec 1895 Hayfield, Derbyshire, England
parents Edmand Higginson and Isabella Higginson
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Dont panic it was 1895.
Unreal find Shilo. Like you I have spent all day trying to solve the Isabella mystery. And would you know it, her death is registered as Newton. Now it is a different story for Mabel's arrival.
Excellent work. You are a champion.
Cheers Shauna
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I think you have helped a lot of people.
Just want to add this from freebmd's
Marriage: Edward Higginson Newton to Keziah Brewer JunQ 1901 Glossop dist.
So I reckon that confirms Edmunds death is correct. They must have just missed out on the 1901 census. I suppose the only way to know when Mabel left England is to see if she was on the 1911 census under Newton, Higginson, Hickinson or Higginson Newton or Newton Higginson. Have I missed any? Maybe she left after Edmund died?
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what a mystery :o :o :o :o
we really have to finish this now :)
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I agree,
Congratulations to yourself, Woody and Ladyhawk for getting so far.
Well done to you all
Cheers. Have good one
Shauna
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Thank you enjoyed my breakfast :) 9.50am just got back in after seeing dentist - switched on TV to watch Rugby looks as if NZ are going too win
Well done - you two have been busy fantastic that you have found Isabella's death I couldn't find it on FreeBMD ??? Should have tried surname Newton
Just want to add this from freebmd's
Marriage: Edward Higginson Newton to Keziah Brewer JunQ 1901 Glossop dist.
So I reckon that confirms Edmunds death is correct.
1901 census night 31st March 1901
Not sure whether these further details where added to your thread (familysearch)
Edmund Higginson Newton age 32 (1869) father Thomas Higginson
married 30th June 1901 Glossop Derbyshire
Kezia Brewer age 24 (1877) father Charles Brewer
1901 RG13; Piece: 3278; Folio: 21; Page: 2 Head Thomas Roberts Publican
transcribed Kamiah Brewer born 1877 South Wales
George Hotel Hayfield Derby
Kaziah Brewer age 24 Dom.
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Hello Ladyhawk
we have a delayed telecast because of our NRL rugby league, so the world cup has just started here loved the haka and Sony Bill Williams is playing he's a favorite of mine :)
Mabel has a half brother
Nelson Higgison b 24 May 1902
Baptism/Christening 6 Jul 1902 Hayfield, Derbyshire, England
Parents Edmund Higgison and Kezia Higgison
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Colin Higginson married Ruth Waterhouse both age 30 and born 1904
on the 28 Aug 1934 in Charlesworth, Derbyshire, England
Colin's father Edmund Higginson
Ruth 's father James Waterhouse
birth for Colin
Colin Higginson
Registered Oct-Nov-Dec 1903
Glossop, Derbyshire
Volume 7b
Page 918
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Mabel has a half brother
Nelson Higgison b 24 May 1902
Baptism/Christening 6 Jul 1902 Hayfield, Derbyshire, England
Parents Edmund Higgison and Kezia Higgison
Colin Higginson married Ruth Waterhouse both age 30 and born 1904
on the 28 Aug 1934 in Charlesworth, Derbyshire, England
Colin's father Edmund Higginson
Ruth 's father James Waterhouse
birth for Colin
Colin Higginson
Registered Oct-Nov-Dec 1903
Glossop, Derbyshire
Volume 7b
Page 918
Shilo you have been busy looks as if Mabel left for Australia after 1911
Using the free 1911 search looks as if surname is now NEWTON living Glossop Derby you will require credits to view the original 1911 census
Edmund Newton 1869
Thezlia 1881
Lizzie 1894
MABEL 1896
Nelson 1902
Calin 1904
Joseph 1909
possibly Lizzie on 1901c
1901 RG13; Piece: 3766; Folio: 22; Page: 35
133 Eccleshall Street Manchester
Joseph Higginson 44 Hathersage Derbyshire Wire Drawer (believe this is Edmund's brother)
Ann 44 Sheffield Yorkshire
Alice 22 “ Cotton Reeler Spinner
Sarah A 20 Bradford Lancashire “
Elizabeth NEWTON visitor 7 (1894) Hayfield
Intrigued as to why he sometimes uses surname Higginson, Higginson Newton, Newton ???
Could Edmund & Isabella have had another daughter ?
this looks to be her birth entry FreeBMD
Elizabeth Higginson
Dec 1893 Hayfield vol 7b page 832
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This family is addictive
Well done again you two.
Cant find a christening for Elizabeth but Edmund and Isabella had another daughter:
Mary Alice Newton b 15/4/1892 bapt 22/5/1892 Hayfield.
One more possible for Mabel from the National Archives of Aust.:
Miss M Higginson on the Ormuz ship. Left London 1/1/1921.
Arrived Sydney 16/12/1921
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Your not wrong about it being addictive and the changing of surname is really making it a challenge
nice work Ladyhawk I stayed up until 12.30 am ok yes I was watching world cup to :)
while looking at the 1911 ::) I looked at all the Higgenson higginson with no luck and off coarse it was under NEWTON :'( lol
Joseph Newton Higginson
Registered Oct-Nov-Dec 1909
Glossop, Derbyshire
Volume 7b
Page 890
Joseph N Higginson married Doris Hadfield
Registered Jul-Aug-Sep 1936
Glossop, Derbyshire
Volume 7b
Page 2569
Joseph Newton Higginson
born 25 Nov 1909 died age 72
Registered Apr-May-Jun 1982
Tameside Cheshire
Volume 39
Page 1572
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possible marriage for Elizabeth
Elizabeth Higginson married James Thomson
Registered Jul-Aug-Sep 1917
Glossop, Derbyshire
Volume 7b
Page 1623
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mmmmmm I wonder if this is Mary Alice
going on the info Ladyhawk found on Isabella family on the 1881 and Woody 1871
looks like the right family
1901
RG13/2966 Folio 116 Page 42
St Denys, Ibstock Leicestershire
Frederick Page 58 M Head, Postman, Garrdhust, Kent
Sarah Page 58 M Wife, Hawkhurst, Kent
Sarah Page 34 M Daughter-in-Law, Ireland
Albert Page 30 S Son, Genaeral Labor, Waluall, Nottinghamshire
Frederick Page 3 Grandson, Ibstock, Leicestershire
Ingela Page 1 Granddaughter, Ibstock, Leicestershire,
Elice Newton 8 Granddaughter, Hayfield, Derbyshire
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what the !!!!!! :o :o :o :o :-\ :-\ :-\
I tried to find the birth reg for Mary Alice NEWTON
but nothing was coming up that really fitted
tried Higginson
Mary Alice Higginson
Registered Apr-May-Jun 1892
Hayfield Cheshire, Derbyshire
Volume 7b
Page 870
what is it with the name changes ??????????????????
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just had a look at the 1911
very interesting
where it has written how many children born, still living, died it has
Kaziah 3 born 3 living but crossed out below 6 born 5 living and 1 died
there are 5 mentioned on the census only one missing Mary Alice NEWTON / HIGGINSON did she die ???
Edmund's occupation Stoker boiler, Cotton Mill, worker not a Engine driver that is mentioned on Mabel's marriage certificate
Lizzie and Mabel are both working, Card Room Hands, Cotton Mill
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Your the best Shilo,
Brilliant work? :D I think your info confirms Isabella's parents although I havent found a birth, yet. Frederick's occupation changes are intersting: Policeman, Gamekeeper and then postman. :o I am not a member of ancestry but I think someone has Mary Alice dying in 1909. Have we accounted for all the children yet? I am a bit confused?
Well done again
Cheers
Shauna
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Hello Shauna
its all starting to come together now :)
Do you think you saw death for Mary Alice NEWTON / HIGGINSON on ancestry ?
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Took me a while to find it again. I dont know if it is her but it is in public member photos.
It is a picture of a gravestone that says Mary Alice Newton 1892-1909. It is from New Hope United Methodist Church. Might be American?
NB: Shilo's later PM eliminated this one. It was in America
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I think we may have all the children
couldn't find any more unless they where using a different name ::)
on the 1911 census the question is asked how many children have been born, how many still living and how many have died
I am assuming when the census was filled out the crossed out bit would be Kaziah and Edmunds and Isabella children which would make 6
the 3 born 3 living would be the ones born to Kaziah and Edmund
hope that makes more sense :)
your right about the occupation of Fredrick but from what we have found with Edmund I think it is all starting to sound normal ::)
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Hello Shauna
I have just sent you a personal message ;D
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I guess we are looking for a death before 1911 and the possibility that she may have married ???
she would have been 19 in 1911 and what surname was she using etc etc etc etc lol
it shouldn't be to hard to find ;D
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There is a marriage for Mary Alice Newton DecQ 1909 Derby dist vol 7b pg 1175 with a few choices for husbands.
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Isabella Page
baptism/christening on the 23 May 1869 at Parish of Holy Trinity, Lyonsdown, Hertford, England
parents Frederick Page and Sarah Page
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Unreal! Gosh you are good :D
Still looking for a marriage or death for Mary Alice but I must go do the shopping or I will be nobodys friend.
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There is a marriage for Mary Alice Newton DecQ 1909 Derby dist vol 7b pg 1175
with a few choices for husbands.
Hi everyone - you've both been very busy again I see - I agree this family is becoming soooo addictive
Mary Alice Newton born 1888 father Leonard Newton
married 25/12/1909 William Harold Hancock
perhaps your Mary Alice Newton's marriage is the Dec qtr. 1898 marriage Hayfield Derby to either
James Jowett or Walter Edmund Hill
it would seem this Mary Alice married Walter Edmund Hill
1901
Walter E Hill 23 Warrington
Mary A Hill 22 (1879) Wool Sorter Middleton Jennet?
Marion dau 2 Glossop
I'll have more chance later to read through all the posts as hubby & son off to the footie later, have to go and make the customary cooked breakfast now - while listening to the shouts at the TV while England are playing their rugby match!!! ::) Phew it's half time must go
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Hello Ladyhawk,
Your suggestion of Walter Hill doesnt work as she would be too young and is accounted for in the 1901 census recorded as Elice Newton.
Another possibilty is :
Alice Higginson marrying Harry Bennett DecQ 1909 Bakewell dist. vol 7b pg 1607.
And
There is an Alice M Bennett who dies MarQ1911 Burton Dist. aged 21 vol 6b pg 242
Only a guess.
Plus one more possible child to Edmund and Kesiah:
Monica Higginson SeptQ 1909 Bakewell vol 7b pg 1719 mother Brewer.
How come some get to be Higginson and some get to be Newton? Perhaps it is who gets to fill in the details.
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Your suggestion of Walter Hill doesnt work accounted for in the 1901 census recorded as Elice Newton.
How come some get to be Higginson and some get to be Newton? Perhaps it is who gets to fill in the details.
Good afternoon everyone :)
Ah yes - missed that she was on 1901 census with her Page grandparents ::)
Wish I new the answer as to why some have Higginson surname & some have Newton - a real puzzle we may never know ???
I hope you don't mind as there are so many pages & it’s making my head dizzy going back & forth to check on all the info. I’ve put together this using some of the details posted by yourself, Shilo & Woody32 - apoloigies in advance if I made any errors or left anything out ::)
Edmund Higginson ch. 18/10/1868 Hathersage Derby f Thomas m Mary
Edmund Higinson married 27/12/1891 Glossop Derby Isabella Page she died 1896 Hayfield Derby
Isabella Page 23 May 1868 Parish Holy Trinity, Lyonsdown, Hertford f. Frederick m. Sarah
1911c Edmund Newton 42
1901c Edward Higginson 32 Hathersage (widow)
1891c Edmund Newton 22 Hathersage
1881c Edmund Newton 12 Hathersage f. Thomas Newton m. Mary
1871c Edmund Higginson 2 Hathersage f. Thomas Higginson m. Mary
See reply no's 24,25 & 26 from quirk_cantwell re Higginson/Newton name connection
Children of Edmund Higginson (Newton) & Isabella Page
Mary Alice Newton b15.4.1892 ch 22/5/1892 Hayfield (her birth reg. as Mary Alice Higginson )
1901 Alice Newton 8 (1893) Hayfield granddua. Frederick & Sarah Page (Alice still living with g/parents 1911) there’s also an Ernest Newton b1890 don’t know what the relationship is between him and Alice – possibly cousins ???
Elizabeth Higginson Dec 1893 Hayfield
1901 Elizabeth Newton (1894) Hayfield
living with Edmund’s brother Joseph Higginson
1911 with parent's siblings
Possible marriage Sep qtr. 1917 Glossop James Thomson
Mabel Higginson ch 1/12/1895 Hayfield died 29/10/1938 Australia
married 13/2/1937 Redfern NSW Vincent Joseph Bouquet
1901 Mabel Newton [/b]age 5 Hayfield (Child to nurse)
1911 with parents & siblings
Isabella Higgenson (Newton) age 26 buried on the 28 Jan 1896 Hayfield Derby
Edmund remarries Kezia Brewer 1901
Edmund Higgison Newton father Thomas
married 30/6/1901 Glossop Keziah Brewer (1877) father Charles
Children Edmund & Kezia
Nelson Higgison bn 24/5/1902 ch 6/7/1902 Hayfield
Colin Higginson bn 1903 married 1934
Joseph Newton Higginson 25/11/1909 Glossop died 1982 Cheshire married 1935
all living with parents 1911
Edmund Higginson Probate 30 Oct 1931 Death 11 Oct 1931 died in Derbyshire he leaves 452 pounds Keiza Higginson widow
one more possible child to Edmund and Kesiah:
Monica Higginson SeptQ 1909 Bakewell vol 7b pg 1719 mother Brewer.
Monica Higginson born 1912 Bakewell mmn Brewer She could well be Edmund & Kezia’s daughter you would need to obtain details from her birth certificate to be sure
Sep qtr. 1912 Glossop vol 7b page 1719
Monica didn't marry death 1991 Mansfield Derby born 13/10/1913
seems finding the exact date that Mabel Higginson or Newton born 1895 Hayfield Derbyshire to Edmund Higginson (Newton) & Isabella Page arrived in Australia has not yet been confirmed other than this possibility
Miss M Higginson on the Ormuz ship. Left London 1/1/1921. Arrived Sydney 16/12/1921 although
FindMyPast gives her year of birth 1886 M Higginson dept. 1921 London Dest. Australia Sydney - so not an exact match for dob your Mabel born 1895 ???
The search continues on........
Alice Higginson marrying Harry Bennett DecQ 1909 Bakewell dist. vol 7b pg 1607
Alice Newton b1892 still with grandparents 1911 ???
Harry mar. Fanny Redfern
only three names on the page 1607 vol 7b
Did a search Dec 1909 - Dec 1909 Bakewell
Frank Cyril Hill name came up with vol 7b 1 gap 07
checked original the pg. no is 1607 so a match for Alice Higginson
they are together Bakewell Alice Hill born 1892
Frank born 27/2/1886 c 24/3/1886 Tideswell Derby f. Hedley m. Mary Catherine
It's really spooky as I was travelling back through Derbyshire last weekend, the place names on the censuses etc. are very familar if only your post had been a week or so earlier I could have taken some pictures :(
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Mammoth effort Ladyhawk :)
A job that needed to be done. It really was getting confusing. Well done, I am most grateful for the effort and time that everyone has put into this post. It has been a very interesting journey and no doubt will help a lot of people.
Much appreciation. Time to raise the flag
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A job that needed to be done. It really was getting confusing. Well done, I am most grateful for the effort and time that everyone has put into this post.
It has been a very interesting journey and no doubt will help a lot of people.
You are very welcome - please let us know if you discover anything about the change in the Higginson/Newton name and if you discover exactly when Mabel came to Australia :)
Good luck :)
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No worries,
Many thanks again!
Cheers
Shauna :)
Ps: Regarding the surname switch. I had a relative who was also baseborn but at least he had censuses in one name and registrations in the other. There appears to be no pattern with this family. I think it may have been dependent on who filled in the form and whether they were literate. ??? Maybe someone else reading this post will have some answers?
PPS: Mabel was about 17 when she came to Australia so I was told. Don't know if this is heresay or not.
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Hello all,
I am fascinated to have found this thread on the site. I am descended from Edmunds brother Thomas Francis Higginson, born in Hathersage in 1852 & died in Sheffield in 1898. I may be bale to help clear up the whole Newton/Higginson issue!! It all dates back to Edmund & Thomas's father, Thomas Higginson (1819-1895) who was born the illegitimate son of Sarah Higginson in March 1819 at Brough, near Hope, Derbyshire. Sarah married in August of 1819 to one John Newton & they proceeded to have a family of legitimate offspring.
Thomas Higginson subsequently married a Mary Hobson, but throughout his life varied between Newton & Higginson. Try looking for him as Thomas Newton & then Thomas Higginson & you will see what I mean!!
My Gt Grandfather was born Arnold Higginson, at Ecclesfield, nr Sheffield in 1881. On the 1881 & 1891 cenuses he is listed as Arnold Higginson, but by 1901 he is Arnold Newton & he is named Arnold Newton on his wedding & death certificates!! My Dad knew him well & he never ansered to Higginson in his life!! Confusing isn't it!!
Hope this helps to clear up some of the confusion.
Regards,
Andy (Newton not Higginson!!).
Hello Ladyhawk,
Your suggestion of Walter Hill doesnt work as she would be too young and is accounted for in the 1901 census recorded as Elice Newton.
Another possibilty is :
Alice Higginson marrying Harry Bennett DecQ 1909 Bakewell dist. vol 7b pg 1607.
And
There is an Alice M Bennett who dies MarQ1911 Burton Dist. aged 21 vol 6b pg 242
Only a guess.
Plus one more possible child to Edmund and Kesiah:
Monica Higginson SeptQ 1909 Bakewell vol 7b pg 1719 mother Brewer.
How come some get to be Higginson and some get to be Newton? Perhaps it is who gets to fill in the details.
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Andy..you may not have noticed that there has been no action on this Thread for eighteen months, which means it is less likely that the original participants will read you interesting addition.
They may however still be around, and i suggest you send a PM ( including your email addy)..a notification of this will appear on their email inbox.....if they're still around1
Good luck.
Derek.