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Family History Documents and Artefacts => Family Bibles => Topic started by: sarah on Thursday 05 May 05 20:43 BST (UK)
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I have Bible that contains information on the Youdan Family from York early 1800's.
I am pleased to share the information with any Youdan researchers.
Sarah :)
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Hello
I'm of Youdan origin born in Rotherham England, currently living in Canada, looking for my Family crest. Is their a crest in the Bible.
Gareth
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Hi Gareth,
I am very sorry there is no Family Crest in the Bible.
Sarah
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ok. Thank-you
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Hi Gareth,
No connection to York ??
Sarah :)
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Not sure. I was born in Rotherham South Yorkshire. Are you a Youdan???
Gareth
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Sorry Gareth, I just saved it from being thrown away. I couldn't see all the information lost just because it is a scruffy bible ;D Hope to find a nice home for it.
Sarah
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Sarah -
I would be very interested in the entries in the bible you mention. I am a descendant of Youdan's who were living in the Hatfield Woodhouse area in South Yorkshire in the 18th and early 19th century.
Sincerely,
Jeffrey Bonevich
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Hi Jeffrey,
The entries refer to the Parish of All Saints ~ Pavement and St Johns Micklegate York 1820-1842.
Sarah
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I would still love to see the info. Who knows when I will find that I am related to the York Youdans ;) Is it too much to transcribe? Or do you want me to forward my mail info offlist to forward photocopies? (I would be happy to reimburse for copying charges.)
jeff
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Hi Jeffrey,
The writing not too clear but this is what I read...
Geo & Mary Youdan in the Parish of All Saints, York.
Ann Youdan born September 14th 1826
Baptised & Registered All Saints Pavement.
Robert Youdan born May 6th 1822 or 1820
Born in the Parish of All Saints Pavement
Baptised & Registered at Holme on Spalding Moor
And All Saints of York.
Mary Youdan born December 23rd 1820/30
Baptised and Registered in the Parish of Saint Sampson
George Youdan born March 23rd 1832
Baptised and Registered in the Parish of Saint Johns Mickelgate
Emily Youdan born February 19th 1834 Baptised and Registered in the Parish of Saints John Mickelgate
Charles Youdan born November 20th 1834/36 Baptised and Regestered in the Parish of Saint Johns Micklegate
Henry Youdan borne October 30th 1837
William Youdan born February 11th 1839
Charles Youdan born November 23rd 1834
Henry Youdan born October 30th 1838
Baptised and Registered in the parish Chad
Marketplace Pontefract
William Youdan born July 11th 1839 Registered in
The Parish of All Saints Pavement York
Harriet Youdan born May 30th 1842 registered in the Parish
Of all Saints Pavement York.
Hope this helps your research (I would love to know)
Sarah
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Sarah -
Thanx for the transcribed info. I will keep it in my records. Does not look like close relatives to my Youdans, but you never know. I may find the connection somewhere down the line!
jeff
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Best of Luck Jeff :)
Sarah
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Hi, anyone got any connections with the Youdans from the Doncaster and Sheffiield area? Still trying to make a connection to Thomas Youdan of Sheffield Theartre fame amongst other things. If anyone has a possible link to Youdans in those areas and Bawtry (Notts) /York I'd be please to hear from you.
Jon
Sheffield
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My YOUDANs were living in Hatfield Woodhouse, very near to Doncaster, from the early to mid 1600's through 1834. The surname seems to have developed out of an earlier spelling of YOUDAL, or even UDALL. I have more details if this jives with anything you might have.
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Hi Jeffrey, thanks for the reply. Seems your email address was removed by the Mod so i guess this is the only way to reply? My GGG mother was Ann Youdan 1837 brn Oldcoates Notts, parents William 1800 and Mary 1798. Wiliams parents were I think Samuel 1777 and Ann 1780. Ann married James Brennan and lived in Balby/Hexthorpe (all their children have Youdan as a middle name). William and Samuel were born in Hatfield and lived there at some point. Still trying to make a link to Thomas Youdan (think he was Williams brother with George) born Streetthorpe (Doncaster) and was prominent in Sheffield mid 1800s opening the Surrey and Alexandra Theartres as well as sponsoring the worlds first Football trophy 'The Youdan Cup'. Any links to that lot?
Jon
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Jon -
I do have some information that bears some resemblance to what you present. What I have:
William YOUDAN, blacksmith of Hatfield and Bearswood Green, baptized 2 March 1768 in Hatfield. Married Ann ------, and had at least four children, including:
* Mary YOUDAN, born 7 November and baptized 8 November 1795 in Hatfield;
died 10 November and buried 12 November 1795, in Hatfield.
* William YOUDAN, baptized 29 December 1799, in Hatfield, "the fourth child of
William Youdan."
William was the son of:
Thomas YOUDAN (or YOUDAL - a variant spelling), a farmer of Hatfield Woodhouse ane Bearswood Green, baptized in Hatfield, 2 August 1729, and died in Bearswood Green on 16 May 1781, aged 52 years, buried in Hatfield on 17 May 1781. He married in Hatfield on 1 January 1758, Mary WILBURN, daughter of Matthew, a blacksmith of Hatfield Woodhouse, and Hannah WILBURN. They had at least 10 children:
* John YOUDAN, baptized at Hatfield, 12 August 1758; buried there, 19 Nov 1758
* Thomas YOUDAN, baptized at Hatfield, 25 April 1760; married Jane WOOD,
22 October 1795, at Hatfield. She was buried at Hatfield, 19 January 1841,
aged 88 years, the "widow of Thomas Youdan, of Misson."
* Frances YOUDAN, baptized at Hatfield, 4 December 1761; buried there,
26 October 1763
* Matthew YOUDAN (possibly), a bricklayer of Hatfield and later Bearswood Green,
married Hannah DAWSON
* Fanny YOUDAN, baptized at Hatfield, 24 January 1766
* William YOUDAN, baptized at Hatfield, 2 March 1768 (see above)
* John YOUDAN, baptized at Hatfield, 16 November 1770
* Miles YOUDAN, baptized at Hatfield, 9 April 1773
* Mary YOUDAN, baptized at Hatfield, 30 December 1774
* Samuel YOUDAN, born in Hatfield Woodhouse, 15 May, and baptized at Hatfield,
28 June 1778
This Thomas YOUDAN/YOUDAL was the son of John YOUDAN/YOUDALL (1702 - 1776) and Frances WOEMACK (d. 1744) of Hatfield Woodhouse. John was the son of Thomas YOUDEN (1666-1723) and Alice SHEPHEARD (b. 1669), of Hatfield. Thomas was the son of Thomas UDALL/YOUDALL/YEWDALL/YOUDAN/YOUDON (abt 1627 - 1672) and Anne MOORE (b. 1634), of Hatfield. This Thomas may have been the son of a John UDALL, baptized in Hatfield, 21 January 1593/4, son of Thomas UDALL/UDEN of Hatfield who left a will dated 30 September 1639, proven April 1640. The will was taken orally, and mentions his daughters Elizabeth (bapt. 1596) and Joan (bapt. 1599), but does not mention John (who was apparently dead by the time) nor any children by John. The name YOUDALE is said to be the common NW West Riding spelling of the West Riding surname YEWDALE (Redmond's English Surname Series). YEWDALE is derived from Yewdale in North Lancashire, where Fountains Abbey had sheep-runs. Fountains Abbey also had grazing fields in Airedale, Yorkshire, and the name may have been brought there from Yewdale. There is also a Yewdale near Coniston Lake in Yorkshire. Lastly, there is a village named Yeadon in the West Riding between Bradford and Leeds. The earliest occurrence of the surname is Alicia de YOWDALL in 1379 (Bardsley, Dictionary of English and Welsh Surnames).
Any of this match your info? I have a little more, but this is the bulk. I am descended from Thomas YOUDEN (1666-1723) through his son Joseph (1710-1782).
jeff
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We have recently moved into a house in Bawtry, Doncaster, which was bulit in 1809. I have just received the title deeds from the years past and George Youdan appears in the details. I have just put his name into a search engine and found this site.
The details that I have are that he died on the 9th September 1916. There is an address of 497 Romford Road, Forest Gate in Essex. He was a retired butcher.
It appears that he could have possibly left the house to James Thomas Everitt Baldwin of 103 Fairbridge Road, Upper Holloway and Edward Townsend Page of Hailweston Street, Neots both of Essex.
However, the title deeds are very jargonised and Im not sure of the relationship between James and Edward or why he had a house in Bawtry but lived in Essex. Maybe you know?
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Di, sorry I can't help you on this one, maybe Jeff can, he has a lot more info on Youdans in this area than I do.
Jon
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Hi everyone, my family traces back to Kirk Sandall, Samuel Youdan born 1809 and his wife Mary Born 1803, next to Streetthorpe (where Tommy Youdan, owner of the Surrey and sponsor of the Youdan Cup, was born).
I have all my tree back to Samuel, but have hit a brick wall on the web. I may have to start visiting the archives.
I think Gareth over in Canada may be my cousin?
Mick
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Mick
Do you know if your Samuel had any brothers or sisters? I tentatively linked my Thomas Youdan as a brother.
Also, if you look at the earlier posts Jeff listed a lot of info on Youdans in Hatfield which is local to Streetthorpe. By looking on the LDS site I thought that the Samuel Youdan 1778 may be your Samuels father and his wife was Ann Hall 1780? There appears to be a matching baptism for your Samuel on the LDS site, Kirk Sandal 1808 with Parents Samuel and Anne? I think I then looked for the father Samuel on the LDS and it seemed to link to the Samuel 1778 on Jeffs links which then take you back a considearble way. I must admit these links are all a bit tenuous but with a name like Youdan there's got to be a link somewhere, its not exactly Smith is it! Would be nice if we could piece it all together. You need to dig around on the LDS site.
Jon
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Hi Jon,
I don't know as yet if Samuel had any brothers or sisters - I had thought he was linked to Thomas as they were said to come from virtually the same place. I've been to Hatfiled, Edenthorpe (Streetthorpe as was) and Kirk sandall to get an idea of just how close they were. With regard to Tommy Youdan do you know if his daughter was actually his niece. I have found on the cenus for 1851 and 1861 the below results, I was woundering because there is a Harriet Youdan on the bible around her DOB. I'm off to check the site you mentioned.
Thanks very much!!!
1851
Thomas YOUDAN 34 head YKS Doncaster 2339 93 Sheffield
Mary YOUDAN 33 wife YKS Rotherham 2339 93 Sheffield
Emily YOUDAN 17 niece York 2339 93 Sheffield
Harriet YOUDAN 7 niece York 2339 93 Sheffield
1861
name age relation cty place piece folio parish view folio
Thomas YOUDAN 43 head YKS Thoresthorpe 3457 75 Ecclesfield
Harriette YOUDAN 18 daughter YKS 3457 75 Ecclesfield
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Hi Jon,
I have checked this site previously and have seen the entries for Samuel Youden and Anne as the parents of Samuel born 5 DEC - do you think the entry for the marriage of Samuel and Hannah Hall in 1800 is the parents?
I think I am going to have to visit Doncaster and check the archives.....
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Hi Mick
Yes, I was working on the basis that Samuel and Anne or hannah hall were your samuels parents, thats what I have logged in my chart.
Harriet Youdan was Thomas's neice, the 61 census is wrong. I have Thomas's will and he leaves all to his niece Harriet. He was living in retirement in Scarborough at the time. Harriet married Frederick Stanton and they effectively retired very early so he must still have had a tidy sum. My grandmother said there was a story he was to leave his wealth to my ggg fathers wife (ANN YOUDAN) and children as long as they all were named Youdan as a middle name which they were (i.e. ROBERT YOUDAN BRENNAN my gg father) but it never happened. If you google Thomas there is a fair bit on the web, very interesting, particularly the Youdan Cup and the roots of football in Sheffield.
I hadn't noticed the bible entry for Harriet but you could well be right as I have linked harriet with a Henry and Wiliam matching the same dates of the 2 people listed next to her on the bible entry. I have possible parents (from LDS) as George and Mary and I thought George was your samuels brother. Gets a bit complicated really and some of it is guess work. I havn't been to Doncaster, not got the time but its nice to know that somebody locally is looking at Youdans (I'm in Sheffield). Maybe and exchange of data might help? Not sure how we do that through Rootsweb without displaying emails, do you know?
Best of luck, Jon
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Hi Jon,
I had thought Thomas had died in Scarborough - Harriet got married the year after, I noticed that on the bmd sites, but could not be 100%. Did you know there is a picture of Tommy Youdan on the Picture Sheffield website www.picturesheffield.co.uk go to search and use the bottom search bar.
I don't live near Doncaster I live up in Lancashire, I moved here from Sheffield about 8 years ago, I used to live off Ecclesall Road.
I have sent you a personel mail with my email address on.
Cheers
Mick
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Just stumbled across this thread and thought those with South Yorkshire links might be interested to know that George YOUDAN who appears to be the father of the York family listed in the bible may have been born in Street Thorpe (abt 4 miles from Doncaster) in abt. 1802.
I don't have any YOUDAN links myself I was just browsing.
Pinetree
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Regarding Youdan family, I have a printed leaflet "Query: THE FALL OF TOMMY'S PROPERTY?" Briefly concerning, according to the first page - "The incarceration of John Youdan in Wakefield Gaol, for having on the 25th August 1879, erased the words "Adopted Daughter," which were on his late Brother's Tombstone, (Thomas Youdan). It seems Thomas paid tenshillings a week to his and John's sister, so she could pay her rent. Thomas Youdan's niece discontinued this payment, in effect making the woman homeless. The leaflet also mentions property left in a will, plus other information.
Is this of interest to any researchers?
Fenella
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Fenella I can't send you a personal mail as I think your personal mail is full
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I have Martha YOUDAN 1751 M pETER Oughtibridge
daughter of joseph YOUDAN 1707 AND Martha Jackson
son of Thomas YOUDAN and Alice Shephard
is this joseph the same as Jeff's 1710, all from hatfield, yorkshire
Marie
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Hi All
I wonder if any of you can help. My 3rd Great Grandfather was Thomas Youden he came to Newfoundland from England in about 1820, He was a seaman and he must have been an educated man as he later became a school master and also taught navigation, he was an artist and has two paintings in the museum of Newfoundland, he owned a pocket watch that was made in London and it has his name on the face that replace the numbers. We have his date of birth as 5th November 1790, his marriage certificate has his place of birth as Whitby, however I have contacted several people in Whitby who should have been able to give me some info and they tell me that the name Youden is not known in that town and that it is not mentioned in any of their records.
Any help or sugestions would be very welcome.
Len
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My Grandmother's great,great,great, grandfather(?) was Thomas Youden from Brigus or Georgetown Newfoundland. I have a picture of the watch that Len mentioned. The numbers are actually replaced with the letters T H O M A S Y O U D E N. I am interested in learning more if anyone knows anything. I found this as well.
Thomas Youden arrived in Newfoundland in the early 1820's. He seems to have settled in Brigus, Conception Bay, where he married Elizabeth Hiscock in 1824. After Elizabeth died in 1845, he moved to Bull Cove where the people of the village gave him some land to build a house, and built a school where he taught their children until the 1860's. He also taught navigation to the young men of the area.
Thomas was said to have spoken seven languages. Oral history claims he was a prisoner of the French at Arras, France before he came to Newfoundland. He was supposed to have cut through the bars using the mainspring of his watch to make his escape. After coming to Newfoundland, he became a master mariner. He was captain of the brig "Jane" which carried cargo, until 1845 when he became a teacher. In his later years, he also painted pictures of ships, two of which are in a museum on Duckworth.St. in St. John's.
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I'm very interested in this post George and Mary listed top of the list is my Step fathers Great, great, great Grandparents and George Youdan born March 23rd 1832
would be his great great grandfather. Elizabeth his daughter and her daughter Gertrude is My Step Fathers Grandmother.
Sarah, Would you still have the Bible?
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So i was wondering if you are the cousin of Gareth that lives in canada
Because he is my uncle.
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Hi Smarchy, must have missed your post in March..but Yes I still have the Bible.
Sarah :)
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I am researching Youdans also, and hoping some of those earlier posters are still around. My grandfather was John Youdan Briggs and his father was also John Youdan Briggs. Because of the family habit of using Youdan as a middle name, my mother (now 86) began researching this many years ago and we have assembled some info - but have raised more questions than were answered. My mother met another Youdan descendant and learned a lot of oral family history, including the fact there was an alleged fortune somewhere. I cannot corroborate the verbal history that Sarah Youdan married Joseph Briggs (I have a marriage with the name Sarah Fletcher) but all the children had the middle name Youdan. It does appear that Sarah had a child called Harriet who lived with Samuel and Ann (presumably) Sarah's parents. Harriet (b.1926) appears in censuses as Harriet Briggs and the Harriet Youdan (1841 and 1851). She keeps the name Youdan and marries Robert Masey or Macey.
Lots of family secrets it seems. I'd love to see if anyone else has info - and would love to see the family bible the OP talks about.
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Yes I still have the bible, I have transcribed the writing on reply 10 for those who were interested.
Regards
Sarah
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Hi Sarah,
Please could you confirm if you still have the bible ?
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Hi Micky,
I am not too sure ? It is not at the bottom of the book case but I do not recall getting rid of it. Leave it with me for a few days I will have a good look for it.
Regards
Sarah
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Thanks very much Sarah
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Hi Sarah,
Please could you let me know if you still have the bible please ?
MickY